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Title: BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT
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Published: May 23, 2013
Author: Luxetti
Post Date: 2013-05-26 14:50:53 by FormerLurker
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Published on May 23, 2013 BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT Was the Woolwich Attack a Hoax? (Debunked) Where is the blood? People are questioning whether the attack on a soldier in Woolwich yesterday was a fabricated event. The first guy goes for her with a machete... she took him out like Robocop...': Rapper's tweets among eyewitness accounts of horrific attack WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT Onlookers recount murder in shocking detail from start to gruesome finish Boya Dee tweets: 'Two black brothers run over this white guy over and start chopping man's head off' Another witness said the two attackers behaved like 'crazed animals' 'They dragged him from the pavement and dumped body in middle of road' Heroic woman begged with terrorists to comfort and pray for dead soldier Suspects then 'went for police with machetes, a knife and handgun' Witness: 'I don't think they cared. Police were only ones who did shooting' Pupils cower in terror as jihadist killer totes gun near their school A rapper who witnessed the shocking Woolwich attack revealed the true horror of the situation as he posted a series of tweets from the scene. Boya Dee was among a number of eyewitnesses who saw the incident yesterday from start to finish, and described how the suspects tried to attack police officers after hacking at a man with a machete. He wrote: 'The two black bredas [brothers] run this white guy over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!' In another dramatic tweet, he added: 'The first guy goes for the female fed [police officer] with the machete and she not even ramping [messing about] she took man out like robocop never seen nutn [nothing] like it.' It was confirmed by police last night that two men had been arrested and officers from the counter-terrorist unit were leading the investigation into the killing. Another eyewitness revealed how he watched the two attackers behave like 'crazed animals'. The man, known only as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T-shirt in Woolwich, south-east London, like he was 'a piece of meat'. Fighting back tears, he told LBC Radio: 'They were hacking at this poor guy, literally. They were chopping him, cutting him. These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. 'They dragged him from the pavement, dumped his body in the middle of the road and left (it) there.' He said that after the 'horrendous' attack, the two men, in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them 'as if they wanted to be on TV'. 'They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road,' he said. 'They had no intention of running off or leaving or anything. 'In my opinion, they were waiting for the police to arrive to be shot by the police. That's the only thing I can think. It's horrendous what they were doing to that guy.' I wasn't scared. Better me than a child': Incredible courage of the woman Cub Scout leader who confronted knife-wielding Islamic fanatic moments after he had slaughtered soldier in London street Poster Comment: Food for thought
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#162. To: christine, Jethro Tull, PSUSA2, wudidiz, GreyLMist, X-15, Esso, titorite, Lod, All (#154)
I'm not only leery of what's reported on the MSM, but also that which is reported on the Internet. It's much easier to put up a YouTube video making all sorts of wild claims that have no basis in fact than it is for a production crew to stage a "fake" event in the middle of Boston during a live televised event with thousands of actual bystanders present at the event itself, incorporating the entire city of Boston police department, EMT personnel, hospital trauma teams, etc., as part of the "fakery". Same goes for this London incident, where the range of people who would need to be involved is enourmous. Seeing people post questionable "proof" on Internet forums only raises the question as to WHY some people are so adament that these events are all "fake". that's a very good point, but i have to say. i am amazed by the *miracle* bloodless victims! ;)
I know that she knows that too. Sorry to burst your Karnak bubble, but you don't know what she knows. We can all agree on that. OTOH, I'd like a $10 dollar bill for every time I've seen a person scoot under signs like the one pictured above.
I think there is a sympathetic, knee jerk reaction to Muslim crime, based on past false flag incidents. BTW, not to excuse the London murder, but the Muzzie made valid points in his video confession, vis a vis, Britain's foreign policy.
I know they used computer software to fake tint his hands and knives red. I know he didn't have blood on his hands or knives. I know that she would have known that too as he was in front of her field of vision. I know that. It's not a matter of opinion. So help me understand your comment; she's part of the acting troupe because you know she saw the perp apply tint to various body parts?
Party pooper.
------------------------------------------ Head lopper.
So help me understand your comment; she's part of the acting troupe because you know she saw the perp apply tint to various body parts? She's not an actor. She's just walking down the street with her cart. Agree.
This crime, while horrific, is par for black-on-white crime worldwide, especially in South Africa and Zimbabwe right now: lots of farmers are being hacked and slashed by criminal blacks, yet not one of those crimes are being hailed as *False Flag Event!!*. Just because the crime scene in London doesn't fit some idiots pre-conceived notion of what a crime scene should look like doesn't give them license to dance around like a circus clown shouting *False Flag Event!!*. Get a grip, people, it's just another mud chimpout. It's Not A False Flag Event. in general, i am dubious of anything reported by MSM
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#163. To: FormerLurker (#162)
It's much easier to put up a YouTube video making all sorts of wild claims that have no basis in fact than it is for a production crew to stage a "fake" event in the middle of Boston during a live televised event with thousands of actual bystanders present at the event itself, incorporating the entire city of Boston police department, EMT personnel, hospital trauma teams, etc., as part of the "fakery".
#164. To: wudidiz (#155)
#165. To: FormerLurker, 4 (#162)
Seeing people post questionable "proof" on Internet forums only raises the question as to WHY some people are so adament that these events are all "fake".
#166. To: Jethro Tull (#164)
but you don't know what she knows. We can all agree on that.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#167. To: wudidiz (#166)
I know that she would have known that too as he was in front of her field of vision
#168. To: All (#167)
No Blood On Hands London Beheading Video Debunked! (Video)
A lot of you are going on about this video of the London beheading where it appears the man has no blood on his hands to prove that this event was a false flag.
This cropped zoomed and altered version of the video is nothing more than a slight adjustment in the hue and saturation to make it appear as if there is no blood on the mans hands.
You that have watched the video that I speak of will notice that the mans hands are unnaturally orange due to this and the red paint line on the street has also changed to a reddish – orange color.
I believe in false flags and I believe in conspiracy theories. But I also know Youtube channels will make up stuff and alter videos to create a conspiracy to make that almighty Youtube advertising dollar.
Here is a video I made using the original clip then altering it using the hue and saturation to make it appear as if there is no blood on the mans hands very similar to the video I am speaking of.
Here is a link to the original Youtube source video that was used in the “no blood on hands” video. As you can see it was zoomed and cropped and edited. But it was not edited for the “no blood on hands effect”, That was just an accidental by product of poor video editing.
#169. To: Jethro Tull (#168)
#170. To: PSUSA2 (#169)
Party pooper.
#171. To: Jethro Tull (#167)
I know that she would have known that too as he was in front of her field of vision
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#172. To: wudidiz (#171)
She's just walking down the street with her cart.
#173. To: Jethro Tull, All (#168)
A lot of you are going on about this video of the London beheading where it appears the man has no blood on his hands to prove that this event was a false flag.
-Alex Kurtagic
#174. To: X-15 (#173)
Since when do "chimps" care about politics? Thats right, never. just saying it's just another mud chimpout. It's Not A False Flag Event.
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#175. To: titorite (#174)
just saying When they're paid to act like they do. Since when do "chimps" care about politics? Thats right, never.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#176. To: wudidiz (#175)
Well hell, all kinds of folks will do all kinds of things to get on TV... like Maurry or springer... ewww. When they're paid to act like they do.
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#177. To: PSUSA2, wudidiz, All (#149) (Edited)
There is clear photographic evidence that something/someone is being deceptively hidden about the alleged perp scene, which indicates that the official story is suspect itself. Either you are deliberately working to obfuscate that fact deceptively too or are under the impression that you can make such a wrongful assertion as fact without so much as adequately availing yourself of even a simple and obvious evidentiary presentation that shows officaldom "pulling the Woolwich over the public's eyes" on this, so to speak, for some as yet unknown reason/motivation: On the left is the alleged victim scene. On the right is the alleged perp scene with a third body on the ground that can't be the alleged victim's. They are different areas with different scenery. The official story claims 2 perps shot. Who is the third person on the ground at the perp scene and why the secrecy in the official story about that? References: Post #159 above by wudidiz + Photo examples A and C listed at Post #13 of 4um Title: Woolrich London Killing: Terrorism or False Flag? Edit to add Photo B at Post #13 linked above for a different view of the perp scene with the unidentified third body in the road there towards the top-left of the pic and to the right of the news banner: there is no "clear photographic evidence" to support this. THere are just some dodgy interpretations of what some pics show.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#178. To: X-15 (#173)
Get a grip, people, it's just another mud chimpout. It's Not A False Flag Event Ping to reality! This crime, while horrific, is par for black-on-white crime worldwide, especially in South Africa and Zimbabwe right now: lots of farmers are being hacked and slashed by criminal blacks, yet not one of those crimes are being hailed as *False Flag Event!!*. Just because the crime scene in London doesn't fit some idiots pre-conceived notion of what a crime scene should look like doesn't give them license to dance around like a circus clown shouting *False Flag Event!!*.
#179. To: X-15 (#110)
[Video link 1 - further eye witness accounts of beheading of soldier By terrorists london: Black male witness at 0:46-0:54.] Video link 2 - Witness Describes Woolwich Shooting - Attackers 'Filmed' Each Other: Compare the Black male witness at 0:46-0:54 of Video 1 above with the Black male holding a probable phone camera who appears by two alleged White male witnesses in this video at 1:17-1:38. Video 3 - British soldier hacked to death in London, witness who filmed attackers speaks out May 22, 2013) - YouTube: Compare the voice/accent of the Black amateur cameraman/witness interviewed in this video to the Black male witness above at 0:46-0:54 of Video 1 and the Black male with a probable hand-held camera at 1:17-1:38 of Video 2 Alternate YouTube link and videolin.com link for Video 3.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#180. To: wudidiz, All (#179) (Edited)
Both White males in that video interview (alleged local residents) claim (like the alleged rapper/tweeter in the opening post of this thread) that the policewoman shot one of the suspects. Those 3 alleged witness statements conflict with this mirror.co.uk news report, which says a male colleague shot the suspect because she was unable to draw her firearm and that she was carrying a bright yellow taser. Note that both of the males interviewed in this video mention seeing weapons in the hands of a suspect but mention no concern for the safety of the women at the scene or any thought to protect them even by calling out to move away from the vicinity of the armed suspects. Video 4 - Witness Describes Woolwich Shooting: White male witness/local resident Joe in white hooded jacket as seen in Video 2 above. Says there that his friend's mother went to stand next to the victim but states in this video of another interview with him that she sat next to the body. Moreover, he again expresses no concern for the safety of the women at the scene near the armed suspects -- perhaps because he knew it was a staged show. Video 5 - WOOLWICH MASSACRE DECEPTION EXPOSED part 2 special edition 22 May 2013 - YouTube: Link set to start at 4:45 for a comparative photo analysis of the witness Joe as a suspected EDL/English Defense League agent provocateur. Video 5 reference: www.gasskammer.blogspot.com website at Post #159 by wudidiz. Video series at Post #179. [Edited to correct link] Meant to ping that post to All. Continuing with the numbering sequence there. Reposting Video 2:
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#181. To: christine (#154)
but i will offer this--since i KNOW that they perpetrate false flags and staged events, my inclination is to suspect that that is what it is until it's proven to me that it isn't. in general, i am dubious of anything reported by MSM. Thanks for your fair and well informed input, christine. here's my thoughts on the matter. i think both sides have asked some very good questions, including the 25 in wud's post above, which cannot be answered by any of us. they are good questions nonetheless. because of those, i am on the fence about this and the Boston marathon incident.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#182. To: GreyLmist (#180)
Assume for a moment that perp #1, upon being shot
by the females "male colleague", didn't collapse and assume the fetal position
as shooting victims do in Hollywood, but rather remained on his feet (not at all
uncommon) thus allowing the males "female colleague" a chance to fire at him
(as the boys described in the vid). This scenario satisfies their statement as
well as the report in the mirror.co.uk. PS: I took the liberty of crossing
out extraneous verbiage in you statement above. I learned, long ago, that less
is better when describing crime scenes. Both
White males in that video interview
(alleged local residents) claim (like the alleged
rapper/tweeter in the opening post of this thread) that the policewoman shot one
of the suspects. Those 3 alleged witness statements conflict with this
mirror.co.uk news report, which says a male colleague shot the suspect because
she was unable to draw her firearm and that she was carrying a bright
yellow taser. Note that both of the males interviewed in this video
mention seeing weapons in the hands of a suspect but mention no concern
for the safety of the women at the scene or any thought to protect them even by
calling out to move away from the vicinity of the armed suspects.
#183. To: Jethro Tull (#182)
Brevity, the soul of both wit and crime scenes. Makes sense here.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#184. To: Lod (#183)
Indeed Jim, the KISS theory (keep it simple stupid) works well here.
#185. To: Jethro Tull (#145)
There seems to be some measure of media-insurance involved, of a sort, that might be expected to minimize the risk of false flag/hoax discovery. Maybe the main objective in this case is to implement police state measures and legislation before the public questions much about it. An Extremism Task Force was already established there very quickly. That was nice, thanks. Same to you. If you could review the photographic evidence at Post #177 and give your experienced opinion, I'd appreciate your thoughts on that as to the additonal unidentified person on the ground at the perp scene being censored from the official story. The potential upside of a cover-up, to the devastating downside of a cover-up being discovered is incalculable.
With that said, may God bless and keep you, in nomine patri, et fili spiritu sancte, amen.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#186. To: GreyLmist (#185)
Post 177: the left hand photo shows the soldier down, looking @ him from a
Southerly direction. The right hand shot shows the soldier from a Northern
view and the two perps down in the background. If you would, look #168 and
give us your impression.
#187. To: Jethro Tull (#186)
What about the total lack of blood in those pictures? did you miss that? or the exagereated red right hand of the alleged killer? it is almost redder than the red paint of the building in the backround. What of the fact that the "shot" killers arent bleeding? Did you not notice that the downed killers aren't bleeding? And why are all those people milling about a dead man and murderers... civilians normally flee this kind of thing, hell anyone flees gun shots and dead people lest they die of gunshots from being in that proximity...... But surely look at those photos again and tell greyL , me , god and the world all again about what you see in those photos jethro. What is in those photos?
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#188. To: titorite (#187)
See post #168 for an answer to your blood questions.
#189. To: Jethro Tull (#188) (Edited)
Why? does 168 talk to the photos in question or do you prefer this cat and mouse side step game? Tell god and the people what you see in those photos of post 177 freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...tNum=155260&Disp=177#C177 Stop side stepping and such please. See post #168 for an answer to your blood questions.
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#190. To: Jethro Tull (#182)
Are these civilian witnesses "trained observers" in the sense that they went through the FBI Academy and are trained to take in multiple details, accurately and without bias, at a crime scene both during and after a crime?? I took a few sample FBI test questions during a FedGov job fair several years ago and I was surprised at how poorly I did at noticing details in a few photographs when questioned later about what I observed. IMO, the witnesses cannot be relied upon to give 100% perfect recall about what they observed.
-Alex Kurtagic
#191. To: X-15 (#190) (Edited)
I personally have excellent observational skills. And I enjoy an unbiased outlook on life in general. Green is the most important color to everyone. Are these civilian witnesses "trained observers" in the sense that they went through the FBI Academy and are trained to take in multiple details, accurately and without bias,
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#192. To: titorite (#189)
Why? To keep an open mind. #168 discusses the hoax regarding the missing blood. For you to accept some Internet accounts b/c they fit into your view, while dismissing a straightforward report that differs, shows me that you aren't open to material that doesn't support your version.
#193. To: X-15 (#190)
I'd guess no, in fact I'd guess none have investigated a crime. Had they they'd realize that these things are fusterclucks of the highest order and nothing gets sorted out for (usually) days after. And, BTW, all crime scenes have their inconsistencies. They aren't neat little packages all tied up in a bow waiting for investigators. If they were, defense lawyers wouldn't exist. Are these civilian witnesses "trained observers" in the sense that they went through the FBI Academy and are trained to take in multiple details, accurately and without bias, at a crime scene both during and after a crime?? I took a few sample FBI test questions during a FedGov job fair several years ago and I was surprised at how poorly I did at noticing details in a few photographs when questioned later about what I observed. IMO, the witnesses cannot be relied upon to give 100% perfect recall about what they observed.
#194. To: Jethro Tull (#192)
I don't see how you reach that conclusion when it is you who do not wish to examine the critical aspect of the photos in post 177. They come from MSM sources. They are legit. They are bloodless. And you wanna play cat and mouse games and say "look at this" (I did) and "you're ignoring that" (I assure you I ain't , I take in EVERYTHING) The very fact that conflicting photos have been put out both touted as honest and true should of been a big clue for you and I am sorry you missed it. But If it were strait forward and clear cut then this cat and mouse game of yours wouldn't even be able to be had,. just saying . ALSO I do not have a version. what the heck is up with that assumption... why do people push that on people? I am critically examining all the photo and video that has been presented. I don't have a version but I can look at the photos in post 177 and reference more facts about them than just the fact that they have the murderers and victim in the photo. I can observe more than that. How about you? Why? To keep an open mind. #168 discusses the hoax regarding the missing blood. For you to accept some Internet accounts b/c they fit into your view, while dismissing a straightforward report that differs, shows me that you aren't open to material that doesn't support your version.
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#195. To: titorite (#194)
I discussed #177 in #186. And your opinion of #168 is?
#196. To: Jethro Tull (#195)
Who does a run-over, attempted beheading, and then hang around to do interview rants and wait for the cops to arrive? Are you shiiteing me? Please stoppit. KISS
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#197. To: Lod (#196)
A religious nutter with a legitimate bitch regarding the endless invasions of Muslim nations by the West. Those are his words, BTW, not mine, but I do agree with him. Who does a run-over, attempted beheading, and then hang around to do interview rants and wait for the cops to arrive?
#198. To: Jethro Tull (#197)
Yes, I do agree with his message completely (blowblack); it's just how the event itself seems so staged and faked. If there's going to be a bombing or a be-heading, I'd like to see a lot more real blood on the scene. I've harvested game and domestic animals and I know how mammals bleed out. Those are his words, BTW, not mine, but I do agree with him.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#199. To: Lod (#198)
Lots of fluid at the front of and along side the car that we know absolutely nothing about, nor does anyone else sitting in front of their 'puters. 
#200. To: Jethro Tull (#197)
But what would he expect the response to be by doing something like this and then letting everyone know it was a Muslim that did it? He should have not thought that this would help end invasions of Muslim nations because it most surely will not, it will only give the haters of Muslims more fuel to push their wars against Muslims. A religious nutter with a legitimate bitch regarding the endless invasions of Muslim nations by the West. Those are his words, BTW, not mine, but I do agree with him.
God is always good!
#201. To: RickyJ (#200)
I wouldn't attempt to get into a psychos head. I do know
they dig vids and long knives, while hating the West. But what would he expect the response to be by doing something
like this and then letting everyone know it was a Muslim that did it?
#202. To: Jethro Tull, RickyJ (#201) (Edited)
This was TNB, not Islam. It's safer to sell bibles in istanbul than take a cab through detroit.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
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