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Title: BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT
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Published: May 23, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-05-26 14:50:53 by FormerLurker
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Published on May 23, 2013 BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT Was the Woolwich Attack a Hoax? (Debunked) Where is the blood? People are questioning whether the attack on a soldier in Woolwich yesterday was a fabricated event. The first guy goes for her with a machete... she took him out like Robocop...': Rapper's tweets among eyewitness accounts of horrific attack WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT Onlookers recount murder in shocking detail from start to gruesome finish Boya Dee tweets: 'Two black brothers run over this white guy over and start chopping man's head off' Another witness said the two attackers behaved like 'crazed animals' 'They dragged him from the pavement and dumped body in middle of road' Heroic woman begged with terrorists to comfort and pray for dead soldier Suspects then 'went for police with machetes, a knife and handgun' Witness: 'I don't think they cared. Police were only ones who did shooting' Pupils cower in terror as jihadist killer totes gun near their school A rapper who witnessed the shocking Woolwich attack revealed the true horror of the situation as he posted a series of tweets from the scene. Boya Dee was among a number of eyewitnesses who saw the incident yesterday from start to finish, and described how the suspects tried to attack police officers after hacking at a man with a machete. He wrote: 'The two black bredas [brothers] run this white guy over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!' In another dramatic tweet, he added: 'The first guy goes for the female fed [police officer] with the machete and she not even ramping [messing about] she took man out like robocop never seen nutn [nothing] like it.' It was confirmed by police last night that two men had been arrested and officers from the counter-terrorist unit were leading the investigation into the killing. Another eyewitness revealed how he watched the two attackers behave like 'crazed animals'. The man, known only as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T-shirt in Woolwich, south-east London, like he was 'a piece of meat'. Fighting back tears, he told LBC Radio: 'They were hacking at this poor guy, literally. They were chopping him, cutting him. These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. 'They dragged him from the pavement, dumped his body in the middle of the road and left (it) there.' He said that after the 'horrendous' attack, the two men, in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them 'as if they wanted to be on TV'. 'They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road,' he said. 'They had no intention of running off or leaving or anything. 'In my opinion, they were waiting for the police to arrive to be shot by the police. That's the only thing I can think. It's horrendous what they were doing to that guy.' I wasn't scared. Better me than a child': Incredible courage of the woman Cub Scout leader who confronted knife-wielding Islamic fanatic moments after he had slaughtered soldier in London street Poster Comment: Food for thought
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#194. To: Jethro Tull (#192)
I don't see how you reach that conclusion when it is you who do not wish to examine the critical aspect of the photos in post 177. They come from MSM sources. They are legit. They are bloodless. And you wanna play cat and mouse games and say "look at this" (I did) and "you're ignoring that" (I assure you I ain't , I take in EVERYTHING) The very fact that conflicting photos have been put out both touted as honest and true should of been a big clue for you and I am sorry you missed it. But If it were strait forward and clear cut then this cat and mouse game of yours wouldn't even be able to be had,. just saying . ALSO I do not have a version. what the heck is up with that assumption... why do people push that on people? I am critically examining all the photo and video that has been presented. I don't have a version but I can look at the photos in post 177 and reference more facts about them than just the fact that they have the murderers and victim in the photo. I can observe more than that. How about you? ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
I discussed #177 in #186.
And your opinion of #168 is?
Who does a run-over, attempted beheading, and then hang around to do interview rants and wait for the cops to arrive? Are you shiiteing me? Please stoppit. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
A religious nutter with a legitimate bitch regarding the endless invasions of Muslim nations by the West. Those are his words, BTW, not mine, but I do agree with him.
Yes, I do agree with his message completely (blowblack); it's just how the event itself seems so staged and faked. If there's going to be a bombing or a be-heading, I'd like to see a lot more real blood on the scene. I've harvested game and domestic animals and I know how mammals bleed out. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lots of fluid at the front of and along side the car that we know absolutely nothing about, nor does anyone else sitting in front of their 'puters.
But what would he expect the response to be by doing something like this and then letting everyone know it was a Muslim that did it? He should have not thought that this would help end invasions of Muslim nations because it most surely will not, it will only give the haters of Muslims more fuel to push their wars against Muslims. God is always good!
I wouldn't attempt to get into a psychos head. I do know
they dig vids and long knives, while hating the West.
This was TNB, not Islam. It's safer to sell bibles in istanbul than take a cab through detroit.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
TNB, so true :)
Off topic, a little, but do you ever go out to Shorpy? Thousands of old photos, really neat stuff. I damn near drooled when I saw the one of the old New Orleans Cotton Exchange. What fine hotel that would make, imagine it as Heston's residence in The Omega Man. corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
There are bad people in all races. Whites have been just as bad to me as blacks have, maybe even more so. I know blacks as a percentage are more racist and violent than whites, but I wouldn't speak in general terms about them though, because there are some very good black people, they just don't make the news. God is always good!
The same applies to Moslems, one of the nicest people I ever met was a Turk, but that experience still leaves me with a lifetime of evidence. corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
My opinion is that you like these cat and mouse games over direct answers. I don't have the time or attention to be bothered with that anymore. You wont identify anything in those pics past the fact that they contain the alleged murderers and alleged victim. Outside those terms you see nothing. Got it thanks. For the record I think that live leak video ignores the fact that the hands are already tinted. I even pointed it out in a video. You made fun of me about it. remember? I used the square edge of a pack of american spirit rolling papers to point out the tint on the CNN page. I doubt you remember. Thats proly for the best. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
I don't have the time or attention to be bothered with that anymore. That's a shame, I just got in a hot hawaiin guitar teacher tape corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
You I have time and attention for.
______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
chords: A D D+ A- John Lee's chiccccccccccccken house boogee yes, yes corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Can I have a dollar, maudie may? corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Your opinion is noted and filed under Area 51.
She stole my soul and thats what really hurts!
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
But I feel I'm being used.
Wanna buy some acid? corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
The right hand shot shows the soldier from a Northern view and the two perps down in the background. No, they can't both be photos of the alleged victim soldier. As I said at #177, they are different areas with different scenery. Reposting pics at #177 but with a larger view of the one on the right. The example used here is listed as Photo C towards the bottom of Post #13 at another thread. Note that there is no foliaged wall or red sign by the victim soldier in the pic on the left like there is by the body in the road at the pic on the right where the group of people are standing, two in yellow vests: If you had said that the pic centered below was a view of the victim soldier in the road (near the top of the pic by the news banner) but that it was taken from a different direction at the perp scene, I would almost agree except that the body there looks to be farther in the center of the road than the above-left victim-soldier scene. Will do that in another reply. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
They aren't different areas w/different scenery. It's the same place with photos taken at different angles. Click on the link above. In the first vid, at 22 seconds, you will begin to see the same scene take on a different appearance (a fence blends into a solid wall and travels down). That's what you are missing.
They aren't different areas w/different scenery. It's the same place with photos taken at different angles. Click on the link above. In the first vid, at 22 seconds, you will begin to see the same scene take on a different appearance (a fence blends into a solid wall and travels down). That's what you are missing. Top two photos at Post #216 | Video link referenced at the above quoted source | Video: Thanks for trying to assist on the photo discrepancies but that video did not reconcile that matter for me. I'm going to need some other opinions because I just don't see it as simply different angles like you say that you do. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
PS: I took the liberty of crossing out extraneous verbiage in you statement above. I learned, long ago, that less is better when describing crime scenes. I'm taking the liberty of replying here to your request at Post #186: "If you would, look #168 and give us your impression." I've also taken the liberty of linking back to what you crossed out of my posting as "extraneous verbiage" because I'll be referring to some of it in this reply. I decided to resist taking the liberty of crossing out all of your paragraph 1 posting quoted above in objection as speculative because I think your hypothesis there is countered by what you asked me to review at #168. Lining up those references for ease of access here: First, on your hypothesis at the quoted section above, Video 4 (last in the list) shows that Perp #1 did not remain standing when he was hit by the first two shots. He fell to the ground quickly and those shots seem to have been fired from someone getting out of the back seat on the passenger side wearing a white shoe. The policewoman was reported to be the driver and, as was also reported, she looks to be holding only a taser, not a gun at all. The Description section of that video gives details. The testimonies that I noted at #180 of the two males interviewed there and the rapper/tweeter in the opening post are contradicted by that video. As to the rest of the videos in the reference block above, I suppose you want me to give an opinion of the tinting issues of Perp #1's hands. Videos 1 and 3 particularly have much discussion and technicality about that at the Comments pages. Different camera angles by more than one camera were detected by a number of people, which might account some for variations in coloring. Saw some suggestion(s) that the media may have altered both versions, one to be more frightening and one to be less frightening to their viewerships. My opinion is that the version with red hands looks fake to me whether that is compared or not to the other version where they don't look red. In the Sandy Hook/Newtown topic, I posted about a salon there that had a strange, red handprint as a logo with a heart shape in the palm and this situation seems weirdly similar to that for disturbing FX. There are many points of interest in the Comments sections that I might list some examples from in another post later so that this one doesn't get more sprawling. Am posting this video link here, though, for one by YouTuber 108morris108 [Woolwich Hoax For A Society Without Freedom - set to start at 1:17] because he demonstrates changing the color of his hand to red and back again with CGI. Also, another by him [TelegraphTV Eyewitness Seems To Say The Impossible] to note this Comment posted there: Edited for spelling and grammar + link with timestamp setting. Also, resequenced first 2 videos in the reference block to coincide with the article order and corrected the numbering of the videos noted in the 2nd paragraph below that section. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thanks for this, and for keeping an open mind regarding the crime scene photos. When someone enters these types of discussions with a set of preconceived positions, it's nearly impossible to open such a closed mind. If you look carefully at that 22 second mark, and beyond, the wall as a backdrop appears clearly and is the same color, up to and including the whitish cap stone on the top. Regarding this post, does video #4 depict the shooting of perp #1, or #2, or do you know? Previous witness statements indicate that each officer shot one perp each, and I see nothing offered now that changes that circumstance. I would leave open the possibility of both officers having shot the same perp, or both perps. This wouldn't be unusual at a shooting scene and it would again satisfy both the video witness account and that of the mirror.uk.
You're very welcome. I appreciate your patience with that and, as a matter of fact, I did come across another photo [posted by Esso] since that post at #218 and before I sent the last one at #219, which shows Perp #2 at a foliaged wall that looks like it is at the victim scene but, even so, I still think there might be discrepancies. Anyway, here's a print of it for the comparison record: Yes, it shows the shooting of both perps and I counted a total of 8 shots, which is the number I've seen reported somewhere about it. The only thing I can say about the shootout with a degree of surety is that I don't think at this point that either of the perps were shot by the female officer because it did look to me like she was holding a taser in the video and not a gun, as was reported at the mirror.uk source. It looked to me also like there were two [uniformed] male officers with her that shot them, which was reported too at the mirror.uk source. I suspect that the first two shots which took down Perp #1 were fired by an undercover officer because of the white shoe seen on whoever stepped out of the police vehicle in the back on the passenger side at that time. Am willing to consider other sources but don't currently think that the two males interviewed and the rapper/tweeter in the opening post are credible as witnesses. Edit to add: I do still believe this is likely a staged Op. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Check out this vid @ app 12-14 seconds. It appears the female officer punches out her right gun hand and fires.
"The black guy ran at them with a meat cleaver before it stopped and he was right by the car when they shot him," said Julia Wilders, 51, who lives close by. The second man, who had a gun, was also shot, she said
The right hand shot shows the soldier from a Northern view and the two perps down in the background. I think you might be right about that, JT. Still leaves the problem of no blood and a plethora of other anomalies already mentioned. I guess they faked being shot. It's done in movies all the time. Have you ever seen cops rush to a shot perp and proceed to immediately cut his shirt and pants up with scissors before handcuffing him or anything? I haven't. I mean, seriously. Hahahaha. Have you ever seen cops in fluorescent vests show up and first thing they do is run to anyone with a camera and start yelling at them to get out of there? Very odd behaviour. Usually they go after the perps first, not the camera guys. This one is too obvious. Hacks a man to death, has a chat with passers-by...
The first and most important thing that needs to be done to fix the economy - scrap centralised fractional reserve banking and thus scrap the inflationary system and monopolised control of currency.
lmao
Is that what happened?
I think so. (edit: he ran towards the car, dropped his knife(s) and ran past the car as he was supposedly shot, dove for the ground, faked twitching and had no blood on him until after the fluroescent "policemen" cut his shirt up... Wtf?... we have video evidence of all this happening.) Great clip - thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
these ones are wearing blue uniforms, guns, handcuffs, but they're using.... scissors? omg wtf? All of the following would have had to agree to enter into a criminal
conspiracy, a felony, for the benefit of advancing a story which has largely
fallen off the 24-hour news cycle: 1) The two perps As I said, when they knock down towers in Lower Manhattan,
I'm with you, but in this matter the degree of difficulty doesn't rate the risk.
...[on] the tinting issues of Perp #1's hands. Videos 1 and 3 particularly have much discussion and technicality about that at the Comments pages. This is to correct the link for the Comments section of Video 3 in the block of reference info above from Post #219 because the Edit option was unavailable. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWhy? To keep an open mind. #168 discusses the hoax regarding the missing blood. For you to accept some Internet accounts b/c they fit into your view, while dismissing a straightforward report that differs, shows me that you aren't open to material that doesn't support your version.
#195. To: titorite (#194)
#196. To: Jethro Tull (#195)
KISS
#197. To: Lod (#196)
Who does a run-over, attempted beheading, and then hang around to do interview rants and wait for the cops to arrive?
#198. To: Jethro Tull (#197)
Those are his words, BTW, not mine, but I do agree with him.
#199. To: Lod (#198)
#200. To: Jethro Tull (#197)
A religious nutter with a legitimate bitch regarding the endless invasions of Muslim nations by the West. Those are his words, BTW, not mine, but I do agree with him.
#201. To: RickyJ (#200)
But what would he expect the response to be by doing something
like this and then letting everyone know it was a Muslim that did it?
#202. To: Jethro Tull, RickyJ (#201)
(Edited)
#203. To: Dakmar (#202)
This was TNB, not Islam. It's safer to sell bibles in istanbul than take a cab through detroit.
#204. To: Jethro Tull (#203)
#205. To: Dakmar (#202)
(Edited)
This was TNB, not Islam. It's safer to sell bibles in istanbul than take a cab through detroit.
#206. To: RickyJ (#205)
There are bad people in all races. Whites have been just as bad to me as blacks have, maybe even more so. I know blacks as a percentage are more racist and violent than whites, but I wouldn't speak in general terms about them though, because there are some very good black people, they just don't make the news.
#207. To: Jethro Tull (#195)
I discussed #177 in #186. And your opinion of #168 is?
#208. To: titorite (#207)
My opinion is that you like these cat and mouse games over direct answers.
#209. To: Dakmar (#208)
#210. To: titorite (#209)
#211. To: titorite (#209)
You I have time and attention for.
#212. To: titorite (#207)
My opinion is that you like these cat and mouse games over direct answers.
#213. To: Jethro Tull (#212)
#214. To: Dakmar (#213)
#215. To: Jethro Tull (#214)
#216. To: Jethro Tull (#186)
Post 177: the left hand photo shows the soldier down, looking @ him from a Southerly direction.
JT: If you would, look #168 and give us your impression.
#217. To: GreyLmist (#216)
beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013...tackers-shot-2522000.html
#218. To: Jethro Tull (#217)
beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013...tackers-shot-2522000.html
#219. To: Jethro Tull (#182)
(Edited)
Assume for a moment that perp #1, upon being shot by the females "male colleague", didn't collapse and assume the fetal position as shooting victims do in Hollywood, but rather remained on his feet (not at all uncommon) thus allowing the males "female colleague" a chance to fire at him (as the boys described in the vid). This scenario satisfies their statement as well as the report in the mirror.co.uk.
Jethro Tull's Post #168 || beforeitsnews.com article: No Blood On Hands London Beheading Video Debunked! (Video) || linked Video 1: Blood on Hands then No Blood on Hands - London "Terrorist Beheading of British Soldier" 100% Hoax + Comments (2 Pages) || link for posted Video 2: "No Blood On Hands" London Beheading Video Debunked! + Comments || linked Video 3: UNSEEN - LONDON TERROR - URGENT MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC + Comments (2 Pages) || Video 4 linked in Video 3: UNCUT |18+| WOOLWICH ATTACK | SHOCKING VIDEO OF SHOOTING | HD + Comments
"I was unsure about this incident at first, thought it could have been genuine but surely if this incident was real then the government would issue a D notice in the interests of public safety and security and not have the 'crazed madman' saying his bit on mainstream TV 24/7 which is bound to stir up racial tensions (which of course they want) this fact alone makes it 100% false flag in my opinion, no legitimate government would stir up trouble unless it had other motives!"
#220. To: GreyLmist (#219)
#221. To: Jethro Tull, Esso (#220)
(Edited)
Thanks for this, and for keeping an open mind regarding the crime scene photos. When someone enters these types of discussions with a set of preconceived positions, it's nearly impossible to open such a closed mind. If you look carefully at that 22 second mark, and beyond, the wall as a backdrop appears clearly and is the same color, up to and including the whitish cap stone on the top.
Regarding this post, does video #4 depict the shooting of perp #1, or #2, or do you know?
Previous witness statements indicate that each officer shot one perp each, and I see nothing offered now that changes that circumstance. I would leave open the possibility of both officers having shot the same perp, or both perps. This wouldn't be unusual at a shooting scene and it would again satisfy both the video witness account and that of the mirror.uk.
#222. To: GreyLmist (#221)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZVeg6xy8E
#223. To: GL (#222)
www.independent.co.uk/new...me/sickening-deluded-and- unforgivable-horrific-attack-brings-terror-to-londons-streets-8627647.htm
#224. To: Jethro Tull, GreyLmist, all (#186)
Post 177: the left hand photo shows the soldier down, looking @ him from a Southerly direction.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#225. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#221)
I do still believe this is likely a staged Op.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#226. To: FormerLurker (#0)
#227. To: irishthatcherite (#226)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#228. To: wudidiz (#225)
I guess they faked being shot. It's done in movies all the time.
#229. To: Jethro Tull (#228)
(Edited)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#230. To: irishthatcherite (#226)
#231. To: JT, All (#229)
the fluroescent "policemen" cut his shirt up...
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#232. To: wudidiz (#229)
2) The person,
or people who approached them with the details of the "crime"
3) The
police officers
4) The responding EMTs
5) The video interviewer
6) Rigby’s family & friends
7) The hospital personnel
8) One or
more witnesses
#233. To: All (#219)
(Edited)
...references for ease of access here:
Jethro Tull's Post #168 || beforeitsnews.com article: No Blood On Hands London Beheading Video Debunked! (Video) || linked Video 1: Blood on Hands then No Blood on Hands - London "Terrorist Beheading of British Soldier" 100% Hoax + Comments (2 Pages) || link for posted Video 2: "No Blood On Hands" London Beheading Video Debunked! + Comments || linked Video 3: UNSEEN - LONDON TERROR - URGENT MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC + Comments (2 Pages) || Video 4 linked in Video 3: UNCUT |18+| WOOLWICH ATTACK | SHOCKING VIDEO OF SHOOTING | HD + Comments
#234. To: irishthatcherite (#226)
This one is too obvious. Hacks a man to death, has a chat with passers-by...
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