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Title: BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRYA7ZuqvcU
Published: May 23, 2013
Author: Luxetti
Post Date: 2013-05-26 14:50:53 by FormerLurker
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Published on May 23, 2013 BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT Was the Woolwich Attack a Hoax? (Debunked) Where is the blood? People are questioning whether the attack on a soldier in Woolwich yesterday was a fabricated event. The first guy goes for her with a machete... she took him out like Robocop...': Rapper's tweets among eyewitness accounts of horrific attack WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT Onlookers recount murder in shocking detail from start to gruesome finish Boya Dee tweets: 'Two black brothers run over this white guy over and start chopping man's head off' Another witness said the two attackers behaved like 'crazed animals' 'They dragged him from the pavement and dumped body in middle of road' Heroic woman begged with terrorists to comfort and pray for dead soldier Suspects then 'went for police with machetes, a knife and handgun' Witness: 'I don't think they cared. Police were only ones who did shooting' Pupils cower in terror as jihadist killer totes gun near their school A rapper who witnessed the shocking Woolwich attack revealed the true horror of the situation as he posted a series of tweets from the scene. Boya Dee was among a number of eyewitnesses who saw the incident yesterday from start to finish, and described how the suspects tried to attack police officers after hacking at a man with a machete. He wrote: 'The two black bredas [brothers] run this white guy over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!' In another dramatic tweet, he added: 'The first guy goes for the female fed [police officer] with the machete and she not even ramping [messing about] she took man out like robocop never seen nutn [nothing] like it.' It was confirmed by police last night that two men had been arrested and officers from the counter-terrorist unit were leading the investigation into the killing. Another eyewitness revealed how he watched the two attackers behave like 'crazed animals'. The man, known only as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T-shirt in Woolwich, south-east London, like he was 'a piece of meat'. Fighting back tears, he told LBC Radio: 'They were hacking at this poor guy, literally. They were chopping him, cutting him. These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. 'They dragged him from the pavement, dumped his body in the middle of the road and left (it) there.' He said that after the 'horrendous' attack, the two men, in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them 'as if they wanted to be on TV'. 'They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road,' he said. 'They had no intention of running off or leaving or anything. 'In my opinion, they were waiting for the police to arrive to be shot by the police. That's the only thing I can think. It's horrendous what they were doing to that guy.' I wasn't scared. Better me than a child': Incredible courage of the woman Cub Scout leader who confronted knife-wielding Islamic fanatic moments after he had slaughtered soldier in London street Poster Comment: Food for thought
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#3. To: FormerLurker (#0)
I watched 8 minutes of this. I predict that this will be ignored by certain people here. You can also see, in the opening frame on the right side, the sign to the left of the nogs head has different coloration from the sign on the left section of the frame,
It was amazing how fast certain people jumped on "it was all actors, fake blood, CGI, etc." bandwagon concerning this particular event.
As far as I'm concerned, the belief that "everything is a false flag, everything is a conspiracy, everything, everything, everything" is a mental illness, and should be listed as such.
Unfortunately for you, there's no cure for dumb.
Are you paid to be stupid or are you just normally mentally ill?
Click on top two pics to magnify What happened to the body/object in the road and in front of the truck in the first pic? -- not seen in the 2nd pic but the truck is shown in that one where the body/object had been.
What happened to the body/object in the road and in front of the truck in the first pic? -- not seen in the 2nd pic but the truck is shown in that one where the body/object had been. It's a body and there's a lady in front of it in the second picture I think.
You're probably right about that.
No flame intended here GL, but can you help me with the logistics of this crime. Since you, and others, have put forward the proposition that this incident was staged, can you help me with the basic questions one would ask during an investigation; who was involved, what is in the road (a body or something else), where and how did the staging occur, when was the red tint applied, what is the motive and lastly, IYO, app. how many people were involved in this acting effort, both directly, and indirectly, as in the interviewer w/camera & surrounding onlookers.
Irrelevant!!! The dead soldier, Lee Rigby, is on a deserted island along with the Flight 93 passengers and Elvis Presley, Jim Morrison, et al. Or something like that..... You're just a mean sceptic of the *False Flag Event!* :)
X-15: Irrelevant!!! After so many years of searching for the Truth about what has been destroying our nation and government, others and most of our world too; after watching false flag agendas of ruination continue time after time on that destructive course undeterred as if they are the Truth, despite all evidence demonstrating that they are deceptions, and people more concerned with demeaning investigators; after so long of about nothing changing for the better in the hopes that it will if people just realize that what they've been told from the media and other such controllers in the upper echelons is nightmarish lies; perhaps we have reached the point where the bigger question is not what's happened but how much does it matter if it's real or not to those who want to believe the official versions.
Lee Rigby. The whole *False Flag Event!* hinges around him. You can't continue with your fantasy merely by dismissing Lee Rigby. Don't give me your "bigger picture" rhetoric. Account for Lee Rigby. You can't, and that knocks down the whole fairy tale.
For all you know he was killed hours prior and dumped there You don't know that x-15. Instead your acting childish in your alice in wonderland logic parroting over and over about lee rigby lee rigby. A host of other problems exist at the crime scene but like some adolescent being introduced to the net for the first time , your droning inconsequentially, not giving thought or consideration to the inconsistencies pointed out or at least the common decency of politeness for your fellow members . I think everyone throughly understands that you will not look past lee rigby. Just as I will not look past the red tint , just as others will not overlook anything. If it is a staged orchestrated event... it means the believers played into their hands like a fiddle. But that is not the worst thing in the world. The worst thing is to continue alone getting played.
For all you know he was killed hours prior and dumped there Not ONE PERSON on the whole planet has suggested that or gave proof that Lee Rigby was killed anywhere but on the streets of London by islamo-apes. Period. You're buying into a fantasy to suggest otherwise.
Not ONE PERSON on the whole planet has suggested that or gave proof that Lee Rigby was killed anywhere but on the streets of London by islamo-apes. Period. You're buying into a fantasy to suggest otherwise. You know it does not matter. Because in your adolescent behaviors nothing can be discussed with you unless it is on your terms and those terms have been set by what story the MSM have projected. That I or others find flaw in their stories is a concept outside the terms you wish to discuss X-15. Do you understand? The Bimbos that walked by with out fear of this murderer that just commited this crime in front of them not five minutes beforehand. But no. they walk right by like he's nothing. The red tint is obvious too all but you choose to overlook that.... It may be pertaintent evidence but you're willing to overlook it for the sake of rigby rigby rigby rigby Someone needs to oil that broken joint. The the police come for the killers and their lack of blood despite the MULTIPLE GUN SHOT WOUNDS is another issue... and another issue was their django style death scene..... like a .38 from over 12 yards is gonna blow a man off his feet...... suuuuuurrrreeee. I and others will be able to discuss this amongst ourselves. You X-15 will not be able to participate in that conversation until you take off your blinders.
Trail of blood at 01:10 OOPS!!
[Video link 1 - further eye witness accounts of beheading of soldier By terrorists london: Black male witness at 0:46-0:54.] Video link 2 - Witness Describes Woolwich Shooting - Attackers 'Filmed' Each Other: Compare the Black male witness at 0:46-0:54 of Video 1 above with the Black male holding a probable phone camera who appears by two alleged White male witnesses in this video at 1:17-1:38. Video 3 - British soldier hacked to death in London, witness who filmed attackers speaks out May 22, 2013) - YouTube: Compare the voice/accent of the Black amateur cameraman/witness interviewed in this video to the Black male witness above at 0:46-0:54 of Video 1 and the Black male with a probable hand-held camera at 1:17-1:38 of Video 2 Alternate YouTube link and videolin.com link for Video 3.
Both White males in that video interview (alleged local residents) claim (like the alleged rapper/tweeter in the opening post of this thread) that the policewoman shot one of the suspects. Those 3 alleged witness statements conflict with this mirror.co.uk news report, which says a male colleague shot the suspect because she was unable to draw her firearm and that she was carrying a bright yellow taser. Note that both of the males interviewed in this video mention seeing weapons in the hands of a suspect but mention no concern for the safety of the women at the scene or any thought to protect them even by calling out to move away from the vicinity of the armed suspects. Video 4 - Witness Describes Woolwich Shooting: White male witness/local resident Joe in white hooded jacket as seen in Video 2 above. Says there that his friend's mother went to stand next to the victim but states in this video of another interview with him that she sat next to the body. Moreover, he again expresses no concern for the safety of the women at the scene near the armed suspects -- perhaps because he knew it was a staged show. Video 5 - WOOLWICH MASSACRE DECEPTION EXPOSED part 2 special edition 22 May 2013 - YouTube: Link set to start at 4:45 for a comparative photo analysis of the witness Joe as a suspected EDL/English Defense League agent provocateur. Video 5 reference: www.gasskammer.blogspot.com website at Post #159 by wudidiz.
Assume for a moment that perp #1, upon being shot
by the females "male colleague", didn't collapse and assume the fetal position
as shooting victims do in Hollywood, but rather remained on his feet (not at all
uncommon) thus allowing the males "female colleague" a chance to fire at him
(as the boys described in the vid). This scenario satisfies their statement as
well as the report in the mirror.co.uk. PS: I took the liberty of crossing
out extraneous verbiage in you statement above. I learned, long ago, that less
is better when describing crime scenes.
PS: I took the liberty of crossing out extraneous verbiage in you statement above. I learned, long ago, that less is better when describing crime scenes. I'm taking the liberty of replying here to your request at Post #186: "If you would, look #168 and give us your impression." I've also taken the liberty of linking back to what you crossed out of my posting as "extraneous verbiage" because I'll be referring to some of it in this reply. I decided to resist taking the liberty of crossing out all of your paragraph 1 posting quoted above in objection as speculative because I think your hypothesis there is countered by what you asked me to review at #168. Lining up those references for ease of access here: First, on your hypothesis at the quoted section above, Video 4 (last in the list) shows that Perp #1 did not remain standing when he was hit by the first two shots. He fell to the ground quickly and those shots seem to have been fired from someone getting out of the back seat on the passenger side wearing a white shoe. The policewoman was reported to be the driver and, as was also reported, she looks to be holding only a taser, not a gun at all. The Description section of that video gives details. The testimonies that I noted at #180 of the two males interviewed there and the rapper/tweeter in the opening post are contradicted by that video. As to the rest of the videos in the reference block above, I suppose you want me to give an opinion of the tinting issues of Perp #1's hands. Videos 1 and 3 particularly have much discussion and technicality about that at the Comments pages. Different camera angles by more than one camera were detected by a number of people, which might account some for variations in coloring. Saw some suggestion(s) that the media may have altered both versions, one to be more frightening and one to be less frightening to their viewerships. My opinion is that the version with red hands looks fake to me whether that is compared or not to the other version where they don't look red. In the Sandy Hook/Newtown topic, I posted about a salon there that had a strange, red handprint as a logo with a heart shape in the palm and this situation seems weirdly similar to that for disturbing FX. There are many points of interest in the Comments sections that I might list some examples from in another post later so that this one doesn't get more sprawling. Am posting this video link here, though, for one by YouTuber 108morris108 [Woolwich Hoax For A Society Without Freedom - set to start at 1:17] because he demonstrates changing the color of his hand to red and back again with CGI. Also, another by him [TelegraphTV Eyewitness Seems To Say The Impossible] to note this Comment posted there: Edited for spelling and grammar + link with timestamp setting. Also, resequenced first 2 videos in the reference block to coincide with the article order and corrected the numbering of the videos noted in the 2nd paragraph below that section.
Thanks for this, and for keeping an open mind regarding the crime scene photos. When someone enters these types of discussions with a set of preconceived positions, it's nearly impossible to open such a closed mind. If you look carefully at that 22 second mark, and beyond, the wall as a backdrop appears clearly and is the same color, up to and including the whitish cap stone on the top. Regarding this post, does video #4 depict the shooting of perp #1, or #2, or do you know? Previous witness statements indicate that each officer shot one perp each, and I see nothing offered now that changes that circumstance. I would leave open the possibility of both officers having shot the same perp, or both perps. This wouldn't be unusual at a shooting scene and it would again satisfy both the video witness account and that of the mirror.uk.
You're very welcome. I appreciate your patience with that and, as a matter of fact, I did come across another photo [posted by Esso] since that post at #218 and before I sent the last one at #219, which shows Perp #2 at a foliaged wall that looks like it is at the victim scene but, even so, I still think there might be discrepancies. Anyway, here's a print of it for the comparison record: Yes, it shows the shooting of both perps and I counted a total of 8 shots, which is the number I've seen reported somewhere about it. The only thing I can say about the shootout with a degree of surety is that I don't think at this point that either of the perps were shot by the female officer because it did look to me like she was holding a taser in the video and not a gun, as was reported at the mirror.uk source. It looked to me also like there were two [uniformed] male officers with her that shot them, which was reported too at the mirror.uk source. I suspect that the first two shots which took down Perp #1 were fired by an undercover officer because of the white shoe seen on whoever stepped out of the police vehicle in the back on the passenger side at that time. Am willing to consider other sources but don't currently think that the two males interviewed and the rapper/tweeter in the opening post are credible as witnesses. Edit to add: I do still believe this is likely a staged Op.
Check out this vid @ app 12-14 seconds. It appears the female officer punches out her right gun hand and fires.
"The black guy ran at them with a meat cleaver before it stopped and he was right by the car when they shot him," said Julia Wilders, 51, who lives close by. The second man, who had a gun, was also shot, she said
"The black guy ran at them with a meat cleaver before it stopped and he was right by the car when they shot him," said Julia Wilders, 51, who lives close by. The second man, who had a gun, was also shot, she said I don't think that means that they all shot him, though. Would there be a conduct or unit safety issue if the policewoman wasn't among those in the scenario who used their gun? My best guess is that there were 4 LEOs in the vehicle, the female driver and two males in uniforms and one plainclothes officer in white shoes who got out on the back passenger side. Although there is some alleged witness testimony claiming that the suspect with a gun fired a shot, I think from viewing the videos that probably the first two shots fired took down Suspect #1 and that only the male LEOs were the shooters, other than the suspect with a gun who may have fired a shot early on. I could be wrong but think maybe that all 4 of those officers are shown in the bottom right photo at Post #236: Was an nteresting article that you posted above. I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it. Edited a typo.
If you, and others, can arrive at this conclusion, some 4,000 miles from the crime scene, aided only by Google, then I’m certain some bright minds in London, perhaps in the aggrieved Muslim community, will be able to blow this case sky high. Their lack of curiosity to what you see as the obvious must be troubling.
White Man being stabbed by two street-thugs doesn't rise to the level of a *False Flag Event!!*, there are no global outcomes, no greater purpose is served, nothing was changed except that the White Britons dim view of imported turd-world losers was confirmed. Not one person in their right mind believes that Lee Rigby was killed elsewhere (by who? when? why?) and dumped in the street in some elaborate Hollywood production. To persist in the 'false flag' fantasy is no more than swinging after the bell. There's nothing more to be said about the matter. The false-flaggers need to move forward and keep up with the rest of humanity or be left behind in a choking and putrid cloud of bitterness and insanity......
Then why elevate it to a state of national terrorism for the UK? And why the red tint on the hands? Or the no blood from the chest wounds? Can we get more medical people up in this thread that can explain chest wounds and blood loss to the ignorant. This isn't rocket science, it's basic biology. IF you know anything about medicine please speak to it. Have any degrees or certificates, now is the time to brag on it.
The only mammals that I've ever taken out with a vehicle are rabbit and squirrel, but I will say that there was a noticeable amount of their blood left on the squish scenes. The only mammals that I've ever beheaded are chicken, dove, and quail, and yes, there was noticeable blood flow in all those events; although there was much more with the fowl (chicken) that were alive when beheaded. There's a real reason for the saying, 'running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.'
Aye, So to see this and be told anything to the alternate...I'd say " it is like living in bizzaro world" But bizzaro world has rules even if they are oppisite rules
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#4. To: PSUSA2 (#3)
#11. To: FormerLurker, PSUSA (#4)
#13. To: Turtle (#11)
mental illness
#44. To: wudidiz (#13)
#47. To: Turtle, space-wasters, !graphic - gory - gross! (#44)
#65. To: wudidiz, All (#47)
#67. To: GreyLmist (#65)
Click on top two pics to magnify
#68. To: wudidiz (#67)
there's a lady in front of it in the second picture I think
#69. To: GreyLmist, 4um stagers (#68)
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
No flame intended here GL, but can you help me with the logistics of this crime. Since you, and others, have put forward the proposition that this incident was staged, can you help me with the basic questions one would ask during an investigation; who was involved, what is in the road (a body or something else), where and how did the staging occur, when was the red tint applied, what is the motive and lastly, IYO, app. how many people were involved in this acting effort, both directly, and indirectly, as in the interviewer w/camera & surrounding onlookers.
#72. To: X-15, Jethro Tull (#70)
Jethro Tull: No flame intended here GL, but can you help me with the logistics of this crime. Since you, and others, have put forward the proposition that this incident was staged, can you help me with the basic questions one would ask during an investigation; who was involved, what is in the road (a body or something else), where and how did the staging occur, when was the red tint applied, what is the motive and lastly, IYO, app. how many people were involved in this acting effort, both directly, and indirectly, as in the interviewer w/camera & surrounding onlookers.
#73. To: GreyLmist (#72)
It just kills some of you to think that islamo-apes chimped-out on their own. The killer in Woolwich who made his statement on the spot was very clearly acting as a Muslim for the cause of Islam. No matter how many times London imams and British ZOG proclaim that the killers "don't represent Islam", they will only be able to say they're Muslims who misunderstand Islam, they won't be able to deny they were motivated by Islam and acting on behalf of Islamic solidarity.
#74. To: X-15 (#73)
Lee Rigby. The whole *False Flag Event!*
#75. To: titorite (#74)
Lee Rigby. The whole *False Flag Event!*
#76. To: X-15 (#75)
#110. To: titorite, Jethro Tull (#76)
#179. To: X-15 (#110)
#180. To: wudidiz, All (#179)
(Edited)
Video series at Post #179. [Edited to correct link] Meant to ping that post to All. Continuing with the numbering sequence there. Reposting Video 2:
#182. To: GreyLmist (#180)
Both
White males in that video interview
(alleged local residents) claim (like the alleged
rapper/tweeter in the opening post of this thread) that the policewoman shot one
of the suspects. Those 3 alleged witness statements conflict with this
mirror.co.uk news report, which says a male colleague shot the suspect because
she was unable to draw her firearm and that she was carrying a bright
yellow taser. Note that both of the males interviewed in this video
mention seeing weapons in the hands of a suspect but mention no concern
for the safety of the women at the scene or any thought to protect them even by
calling out to move away from the vicinity of the armed suspects.
#219. To: Jethro Tull (#182)
(Edited)
Assume for a moment that perp #1, upon being shot by the females "male colleague", didn't collapse and assume the fetal position as shooting victims do in Hollywood, but rather remained on his feet (not at all uncommon) thus allowing the males "female colleague" a chance to fire at him (as the boys described in the vid). This scenario satisfies their statement as well as the report in the mirror.co.uk.
Jethro Tull's Post #168 || beforeitsnews.com article: No Blood On Hands London Beheading Video Debunked! (Video) || linked Video 1: Blood on Hands then No Blood on Hands - London "Terrorist Beheading of British Soldier" 100% Hoax + Comments (2 Pages) || link for posted Video 2: "No Blood On Hands" London Beheading Video Debunked! + Comments || linked Video 3: UNSEEN - LONDON TERROR - URGENT MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC + Comments (2 Pages) || Video 4 linked in Video 3: UNCUT |18+| WOOLWICH ATTACK | SHOCKING VIDEO OF SHOOTING | HD + Comments
"I was unsure about this incident at first, thought it could have been genuine but surely if this incident was real then the government would issue a D notice in the interests of public safety and security and not have the 'crazed madman' saying his bit on mainstream TV 24/7 which is bound to stir up racial tensions (which of course they want) this fact alone makes it 100% false flag in my opinion, no legitimate government would stir up trouble unless it had other motives!"
#220. To: GreyLmist (#219)
#221. To: Jethro Tull, Esso (#220)
(Edited)
Thanks for this, and for keeping an open mind regarding the crime scene photos. When someone enters these types of discussions with a set of preconceived positions, it's nearly impossible to open such a closed mind. If you look carefully at that 22 second mark, and beyond, the wall as a backdrop appears clearly and is the same color, up to and including the whitish cap stone on the top.
Regarding this post, does video #4 depict the shooting of perp #1, or #2, or do you know?
Previous witness statements indicate that each officer shot one perp each, and I see nothing offered now that changes that circumstance. I would leave open the possibility of both officers having shot the same perp, or both perps. This wouldn't be unusual at a shooting scene and it would again satisfy both the video witness account and that of the mirror.uk.
#222. To: GreyLmist (#221)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZVeg6xy8E
#223. To: GL (#222)
www.independent.co.uk/new...me/sickening-deluded-and- unforgivable-horrific-attack-brings-terror-to-londons-streets-8627647.htm
#240. To: Jethro Tull (#223)
(Edited)
www.independent.co.uk/new...me/sickening-deluded-and- unforgivable-horrific-attack-brings-terror-to-londons-streets-8627647.htm
#242. To: GreyLmist (#240)
I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it.
#243. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#242)
I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it.
#257. To: X-15 (#243)
White Man being stabbed by two street-thugs doesn't rise to the level of a *False Flag Event!!*
#258. To: titorite (#257)
#259. To: Lod (#258)
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