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Title: BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT
Source: YouTube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRYA7ZuqvcU
Published: May 23, 2013
Author: Luxetti
Post Date: 2013-05-26 14:50:53 by FormerLurker
Keywords: None
Views: 11501
Comments: 314

Published on May 23, 2013

BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT

Was the Woolwich Attack a Hoax? (Debunked) Where is the blood? People are questioning whether the attack on a soldier in Woolwich yesterday was a fabricated event.

The first guy goes for her with a machete... she took him out like Robocop...': Rapper's tweets among eyewitness accounts of horrific attack WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT Onlookers recount murder in shocking detail from start to gruesome finish Boya Dee tweets: 'Two black brothers run over this white guy over and start chopping man's head off' Another witness said the two attackers behaved like 'crazed animals' 'They dragged him from the pavement and dumped body in middle of road' Heroic woman begged with terrorists to comfort and pray for dead soldier Suspects then 'went for police with machetes, a knife and handgun' Witness: 'I don't think they cared. Police were only ones who did shooting' Pupils cower in terror as jihadist killer totes gun near their school

A rapper who witnessed the shocking Woolwich attack revealed the true horror of the situation as he posted a series of tweets from the scene.

Boya Dee was among a number of eyewitnesses who saw the incident yesterday from start to finish, and described how the suspects tried to attack police officers after hacking at a man with a machete.

He wrote: 'The two black bredas [brothers] run this white guy over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!'

In another dramatic tweet, he added: 'The first guy goes for the female fed [police officer] with the machete and she not even ramping [messing about] she took man out like robocop never seen nutn [nothing] like it.'

It was confirmed by police last night that two men had been arrested and officers from the counter-terrorist unit were leading the investigation into the killing.

Another eyewitness revealed how he watched the two attackers behave like 'crazed animals'.

The man, known only as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T-shirt in Woolwich, south-east London, like he was 'a piece of meat'.

Fighting back tears, he told LBC Radio: 'They were hacking at this poor guy, literally. They were chopping him, cutting him. These two guys were crazed. They were just animals.

'They dragged him from the pavement, dumped his body in the middle of the road and left (it) there.'

He said that after the 'horrendous' attack, the two men, in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them 'as if they wanted to be on TV'.

'They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road,' he said. 'They had no intention of running off or leaving or anything.

'In my opinion, they were waiting for the police to arrive to be shot by the police. That's the only thing I can think. It's horrendous what they were doing to that guy.'

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#1. To: FormerLurker (#0)

He's lying.

The lines are orange.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   15:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: wudidiz (#1) (Edited)

He's lying.

The lines are orange.

Have you ever been to London?

The RED ROUTE lines are red wudidiz. Look it up in Google.



"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-26   15:03:43 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: FormerLurker (#0)

I watched 8 minutes of this. I predict that this will be ignored by certain people here.

You can also see, in the opening frame on the right side, the sign to the left of the nogs head has different coloration from the sign on the left section of the frame,

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-26   15:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA2 (#3)

It was amazing how fast certain people jumped on "it was all actors, fake blood, CGI, etc." bandwagon concerning this particular event.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-26   15:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: FormerLurker (#0)

I guess that pavement is what we call sidewalks?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-26   15:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: FormerLurker (#2)

Uh-huh. What's the address of the alleged incident?


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   15:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Lod (#5)

I guess that pavement is what we call sidewalks?

Didn't notice where in the video he mentions pavement. Could you post the time index where he mentions that? Thanks.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-26   15:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: wudidiz (#6)

Uh-huh. What's the address of the alleged incident?

Didn't you click on the link I provided which explains what the Red Route line is?

Why couldn't you look it up yourself on Google?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-26   15:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: FormerLurker (#4)

Manipulation is obvious. How many "people" have orange palms? I mean, come on.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-26   15:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#8)

I did. I looked it up on Google too. Shows red lines. Everywhere else in the city I looked the lines are orange.

Still doesn't explain why the tinted his hands red.

They did.

new upgraded version:

Original edit:

Nice edit here:


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   15:42:15 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker, PSUSA (#4)

As far as I'm concerned, the belief that "everything is a false flag, everything is a conspiracy, everything, everything, everything" is a mental illness, and should be listed as such.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2013-05-26   15:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: wudidiz (#6)

What's the address of the alleged incident?

It occurred across from the Woolwich Barracks, London. Download the following Red Route map and look at the location of the barracks, then compare it with the map.

www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/red-route-map.pdf

It would be the A205 Red Route. So the attack occured in the area of Woolwich Common and Grand Depot Rd.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-26   15:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Turtle (#11)

mental illness

Unfortunately for you, there's no cure for dumb.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   15:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: wudidiz (#10)

I have no idea why the hands are apparently blurred on the video, and clear in the photo image from the Sun.

They're red either way.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-26   15:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Turtle (#11)

As far as I'm concerned, the belief that "everything is a false flag, everything is a conspiracy, everything, everything, everything" is a mental illness, and should be listed as such.

They ignore things that don't fit what they think happened. Or they make blanket refutations without explanations. Or they offer expert opinions when they aren't experts.

One thing they NEVER do is say "I don't know". They make up the craziest things to try and make it seem like they do know.

I don't understand it.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-26   15:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: FormerLurker (#12)

www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/red-route-map.pdf

Got it, thank you.

The lines are red.

maps.google.ca/maps?clien...ALlroCQAw&ved=0CAsQ_AUoAg


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   15:54:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PSUSA2, wudidiz (#9) (Edited)

Manipulation is obvious. How many "people" have orange palms? I mean, come on.

There is manipulation in the news video as well, apparently they made the hands fuzzy for whatever reason. The following shot is clear yet shows the blood on the hands...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-26   15:55:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: FormerLurker (#14)

I have no idea why the hands are apparently blurred on the video, and clear in the photo image from the Sun.

They're red either way.

I watch the "original" video and it looks like they faked the red on his hands. Doesn't it look like that to you?

The lady with the shopping cart.

The people standing around.

He's acting.

The lady checking the "victim's" pulse.

I think she got off the bus because she saw the guy moving?...

He wasn't dead. The actor started talking about how it was okay for the women to check it out because he wasn't prepared to kill anyone in the first place. The women sensed that as anyone watching the charade would.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   15:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: FormerLurker (#17)

The following shot is clear yet shows the blood on the hands...

Well that's an improvement. Excellent work. /sarc


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   16:00:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: wudidiz (#18)

You're saying that the cops wouldn't notice if the soldier hadn't actually been killed?

As far as the bystanders, do you think they blocked off the street prior to the event just to make sure regular people wouldn't be there to witness what occured, or did they just walk up to people and say here's a bunch of money, we want you to make believe that a soldier was killed?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-26   16:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FormerLurker (#7)

'They dragged him from the pavement, dumped his body in the middle of the road and left (it) there.'

From the transcript - I've seen the video 'till I'm near daft.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-26   16:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: FormerLurker (#20)

You're saying that the cops wouldn't notice if the soldier hadn't actually been killed?

As far as the bystanders, do you think they blocked off the street prior to the event just to make sure regular people wouldn't be there to witness what occured, or did they just walk up to people and say here's a bunch of money, we want you to make believe that a soldier was killed?

If the cops did they would be told to shut up about it and they would. We don't know who that was in the fluorescent uniforms ushering everyone off the set. I doubt the old lady with the cart who probably lives there was paid. She likely just didn't want anything to do with it and had to get home with her groceries.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   16:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#17) (Edited)

The following shot is clear yet shows the blood on the hands...

And it also clearly shows that the front of his jacket is spotless, contradicting the video, but that's not the point.

The dude in your video almost made the point at about 13:10, but used the term "the government" when he should've used "JIZ".

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2013-05-26   16:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker (#20)

Why does he throw the knife down?

Did they fake his death? Like they've done countless times before in movies and on tv?


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   16:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: FormerLurker, anyone who can check source for photoshopping, 4 (#17)

Please check this picture especially the left hand with the alleged cleaver and knife.

There doesn't appear to be any blood there, and dude's index finger is on the knife's edge which appears to have no tang.

Thanks much.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-26   16:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Lod (#25)

Lod, I'd put all the money I had on that image has been altered.

Which doesn't say much, but still.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-26   16:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: wudidiz (#1) (Edited)

The bloodless jacket says "I am clean and I have done nothing to soil myself. I have not event stabbed any one ."

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-26   17:50:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Esso (#23)

The front of my shirt is spotless when I field-dress a deer BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY DEAD AND BLOOD ISN'T SPURTING EVERYWHERE!! Lee Rigby was dead when the muslim-nignogs went to work on him.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
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X-15  posted on  2013-05-26   17:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: X-15 (#28)

bullshit.

You argue that he can bloody his whole hands and the whole knives without getting blood on his jacket cuffs.

The butcher at the meat market gets more blood on him handing me a rack a ribs.

OK that maybe a bit exaggerative but no less so than you insistence of denial of the evidence... That red tint was there man. We didn't put it there. It was edited in as an effect.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-26   18:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: X-15 (#28)

I'm not making any claims. I'm just pointing out the video said the guy's coat was bloody. The picture indicates otherwise. I don't think any of this matters.

The only thing that matters is why the Mad Muzzies were allowed in the country in the first place & by who.

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2013-05-26   18:31:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: titorite (#29)

Please account for the death of Lee Rigby.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-26   18:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: X-15 (#31)

Stop that.

I pointed something out you failed to refute it so now you wanna move on to something else?

NO.

Account for my point first.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-26   18:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: titorite (#32)

No, the crux of the whole false flag allegation hinges on the death of Lee Rigby. Account for his death.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-26   19:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: titorite, wudidiz, All (#32)

www.army.mod.uk/15366.aspx

Put your false-flag theory to the test, contact the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers and query them about the death of Lee Rigby. Tell them you think it's all smoke and mirrors. Go on, I dare you.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-26   19:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: X-15 (#34)

You are dodging my point about the blood.

You are not even trying to say "Hey he could of put on the coat after the stabbing"

You could of tried that.

But it is the pity you did not. TO busy trying to get me to jump through hoops hoping to avoid the point I broght up .

Don't avoid it.

Oh as for my comment.

It is invalidated when he touches himself. Real blood is sticky when fresh. If it was fresh on his hands it would of transfeered.

And that still does not indicated why some news sources used a red tint.

WHY?!

Do you disregard the red tint?

Do you say it is in our imagination?

I hope not. Youd be calling Drudge the lair. Not me. I and other only point out what the media puiblish.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-26   19:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: titorite (#35)

Look, you've carried this fantasy pretty far, but like any wet-dream it's got to end. Account for the death of Lee Rigby.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-26   19:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Esso, 4 (#30)

The only thing that matters is why the Mad Muzzies were allowed in the country in the first place & by who.

three, two, one.....BAM!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-26   19:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: PSUSA2 (#9)

I bet his gums are red.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-26   19:47:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: X-15 (#36)

Well, now your just being belligerent.

I guess my point means nothing. My words pointless. I spoke to a problem in the video and you just over look it.

how convenient for them.

I mean no seriously. The wizard of OZ is telling you not to look at the man behind the curtain ... and you're all like "OK" what with this repitition " Account for the dead man , account for the dead man"

Great job letting the NWO get away with it.

Personally I think Nothing is worth over looking.

No fantasy. No bullshit. A problem is a problem from the beginning till it's corrected. I will not over look nothing!

And if we must agree to disagree about things... I guess... kinda shame.... I mean the red tint is obvious to any and all.

To deny the fact that it was indeed a red tint filter is to help the oppressors. Overlook nothing. A problem is a problem is a problem. Do not overlook their mistakes because , for any reason. It is their, ... qwhat is the point of the denial of it?

WHy are you want to over look it? Because it doesn't fit the story you've been presented? because it is a contridiction in the mainstream Theroee??

Why >

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-26   19:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: titorite (#39)

Account for the death of Lee Rigby. You can't unless you confess that he was a victim of TNB fueled by an injection of Islam.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-26   19:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: X-15 (#40)

See thats just acting like a broken record. YOu refuse to acknowledge my point by parroting yours over and over. That is no way to have a civilized conversation nor does it require you to critically think about my points which must be so devastating to your world view that you are to react in this ... "lesser" manner rather than just reasoning it out with us.

The problem for you is that their is no problem you're not willing to overlook.

I disagree with that kind of life outlook.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-26   20:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: titorite (#41) (Edited)

Where and when was Lee Rigby killed?? His family was right there and he was in constant contact with them. Are you thinking that he was killed months ago and his body has been on ice for just such an occasion?? His barrack-mates turned on him, killed him, and dumped his body on the pavement and then released the crazy niggers to shuck and jive for paid witnesses in some grotesque theater straight out of Edgar Allen Poe's dead mind?? When presented with facts that require you to release your fantasy you just lock up.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-26   20:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: X-15 (#42)

I haven't locked up, I have insisted that we not change the subject.

You insist upon changing the subject.

We are at an impasse.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-26   20:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: wudidiz (#13)

Are you paid to be stupid or are you just normally mentally ill?

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2013-05-26   20:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: FormerLurker (#0)

this was shot in 480P.

how anyone can pick this apart is beyond me. it's 2 steps above Nintendo graphics.

you can't see anything in the video because it's that low res.

some people need to get a fucking grip here.

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2013-05-26   22:58:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#45)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-27   12:05:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Turtle, space-wasters, !graphic - gory - gross! (#44)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-27   12:13:52 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: wudidiz (#46)

Wow. He sounds so sure of himself. He must know what he's talking about.

Perhaps I was wrong about this.

If I "think logically" like he demands, then I must come to the same conclusion.

But I just can't do it.

Perhaps drinking a bottle of tequila would help? Then I would understand?

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-27   12:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: PSUSA2 (#48) (Edited)

If I "think logically" like he demands, then I must come to the same conclusion.

But I just can't do it.

I know.

Imagine....

people as smart as you and Turtle or maybe not even that smart

operating a government, collecting your taxes, and producing psyops

it'll come to you


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-27   12:26:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: wudidiz (#49)

it'll come to you

Only if I chug that bottle.

I make that mistake once before though, with homemade wine about 25 years ago. Not a pleasant way to spend an evening, I assure you. So I think I'll just continue being a "every disaster is a false flag" denier. I dont have a puke bucket handy.

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-27   12:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: PSUSA2 (#50)

I dont have a puke bucket handy.

Pussy.

“At the end of the day, this is the most tone-deaf president I could ever imagine, making such a speech at a time when our homeland is trying to be attacked literally every day.” -Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on “Fox News Sunday.” Graham’s freudian slip “Our homeland is trying to be attacked every day” is reminiscent of Bush’s “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-27   12:44:28 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: wudidiz (#46)

Okay. I had only seen the one photo and one short video before I commented.

After looking at a lot more footage, all of which is shot in pal 480p, here's my revised conclusion.

When people are shot, when people are stabbed, when people are hacked on, they bleed. The only time they don't, is when they're already dead. Even then, they still bleed.

So what are we seeing here really? Was this a dummy? Was this a prop that was fabricated? When you're shot with a 9mm, which is what the cops used, you will almost certainly survive. Head shots, and heart shots are about the only thing that will kill you from a 9mm. You will bleed though. A lot.

So why stage this? Well, because Sweden is having a problem with their muslim immigrant problem, and they need to show their fellow Brits that they are just as dangerous in the UK. Rest assured, we had our own dog and pony show here in the US, and will likely have more very soon. I can't figure out why the Brits would need to do this to their own people, as they've already disarmed them, stifled dissent, created a welfare state that is unsustainable, and destroyed their economy.

What purpose does this serve? I think once we figure that out, we'll likely figure out a lot of other things. Did they not support Israel again?

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2013-05-27   13:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: FormerLurker (#0)

Where is the blood on his coat? You don't kill someone and only get blood on your hands. The other guy didn't have blood on his coat either. Also if these guys really wanted to start a war, they wouldn't have stayed around and waited for the police to come and arrest them, now would they? No, they would have run and taken cover to plan their next attack.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-27   14:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: wudidiz (#46)

I don't understand why anyone would believe this story. No blood flowing down the road equals eyewitnesses lying, which equals false flag! Who ever wrote that is right, some people are just thick.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-27   14:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#52)

Okay. I had only seen the one photo and one short video before I commented.

After looking at a lot more footage, all of which is shot in pal 480p, here's my revised conclusion.

When people are shot, when people are stabbed, when people are hacked on, they bleed. The only time they don't, is when they're already dead. Even then, they still bleed.

So what are we seeing here really? Was this a dummy? Was this a prop that was fabricated? When you're shot with a 9mm, which is what the cops used, you will almost certainly survive. Head shots, and heart shots are about the only thing that will kill you from a 9mm. You will bleed though. A lot.

So why stage this? Well, because Sweden is having a problem with their muslim immigrant problem, and they need to show their fellow Brits that they are just as dangerous in the UK. Rest assured, we had our own dog and pony show here in the US, and will likely have more very soon. I can't figure out why the Brits would need to do this to their own people, as they've already disarmed them, stifled dissent, created a welfare state that is unsustainable, and destroyed their economy.

What purpose does this serve? I think once we figure that out, we'll likely figure out a lot of other things. Did they not support Israel again?

I don't think it's the Brits.

It's an element of the international cabal working with govt agencies as public/private partnerships.

Contracts are given to friends and family as politicians are paid to vote for the programs.

It's an industry involving privately owned media (tv, newspaper, magazines, websites) and video production companies hiring actors and crew.

Employees honor the silence clauses in their contracts and civil servants do as they're told.

It's a conspiracy.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-27   15:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: wudidiz (#55)

I don't think it's the Brits.

Well at least there's someone you don't blame.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-27   15:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: X-15 (#42)

Where and when was Lee Rigby killed?? His family was right there and he was in constant contact with them.

He was evidently wearing civilian clothing, so was probably not on base duty for some time prior. The last time video evidence shows that he was seen in person was two days before he was allegedly killed. The last contact with his mother was apparently a text message of unknown date. He was separated from his wife, who reportedly lives in Yorkshire with their son, and wasn't expected to visit them until the weekend. His fiancee was in Helmand, Afghanistan.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-27   18:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: GreyLmist (#57)

The kid had a military rug sack on his back and thus made an easy target as he left the base.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-27   19:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: wudidiz (#55) (Edited)

It's a conspiracy.

It sure seems that way. They could have done this better if they wanted to, but obviously they didn't want to. Like Esso said, this could be some sort of test to see which people they don't have to worry about after they nuke America in yet another false flag and which people they do have to worry about. Anyone seeing all the evidence and believing the media and government's version of this story is safe, all others get put on the list. Oh, and I suppose this means Paul Joseph Watson (the guy really needs to get rid one of those names), is safe as well now. I wouldn't trust anything info wars puts out from now on, they are too compromised. It's not like I ever really trusted them anyway, but I sure don't trust them now.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-27   19:24:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)

The kid had a military rug sack on his back and thus made an easy target as he left the base.

...the base that could only manage to fly a frayed flag at half-mast for him, for some unknown reason:

Lee Rigby, murdered Woolwich soldier remembered. UK government knew Muslim killers - YouTube [at 1:37]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-27   22:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#52)

footage, all of which is shot in pal 480p

From the video Comments section: "why the camera man doesn`t seem to be panic or bother to run if he/she was facing dangerous man"

There's some questioning there about two cameras possibly being used to film the alleged attacker's speech. What do you think about that?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-27   22:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: All (#0)

A rapper who witnessed the shocking Woolwich attack revealed the true horror of the situation as he posted a series of tweets from the scene.

Boya Dee was among a number of eyewitnesses who saw the incident yesterday from start to finish, and described how the suspects tried to attack police officers after hacking at a man with a machete.

Seems like a horrible Chef Boya[r]dee "joke"; the letter "r" in Hebrew represents a head.

Q king flagged as spam in the Comments section: "when have you heard a Muslim quote the bible trying to justify what he is doing [...] 'eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth'."

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-27   23:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: GreyLmist (#60)

the base that could only manage to fly a frayed flag at half-mast for him, for some unknown reason:

IMO, that's all someone who invades foreign lands at the behest of bankers deserves.

Blowback is a bitch.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-27   23:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: GreyLmist (#62)

"when have you heard a Muslim quote the bible trying to justify what he is doing [...] 'eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth'."

Never. (flagged as spam)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-27   23:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: wudidiz, All (#47)

Click on top two pics to magnify

What happened to the body/object in the road and in front of the truck in the first pic? -- not seen in the 2nd pic but the truck is shown in that one where the body/object had been.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-28   0:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: All (#0)

In another dramatic tweet, [note: rapper Boya Dee] added: 'The first guy goes for the female fed [police officer] with the machete and she not even ramping [messing about] she took man out like robocop never seen nutn [nothing] like it.'

Conflicts with mirror.co.uk/news/ report that states she only had a taser and a male officer shot him:

The driver, unable to draw her firearm, is saved by a male colleague in the back

the cops advance on the blade maniac, the female driver can be seen carrying a bright yellow Taser.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-28   0:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: GreyLmist (#65)

Click on top two pics to magnify

What happened to the body/object in the road and in front of the truck in the first pic? -- not seen in the 2nd pic but the truck is shown in that one where the body/object had been.

It's a body and there's a lady in front of it in the second picture I think.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-28   0:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: wudidiz (#67)

there's a lady in front of it in the second picture I think

You're probably right about that.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-28   1:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: GreyLmist, 4um stagers (#68)

No flame intended here GL, but can you help me with the logistics of this crime. Since you, and others, have put forward the proposition that this incident was staged, can you help me with the basic questions one would ask during an investigation; who was involved, what is in the road (a body or something else), where and how did the staging occur, when was the red tint applied, what is the motive and lastly, IYO, app. how many people were involved in this acting effort, both directly, and indirectly, as in the interviewer w/camera & surrounding onlookers.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-28   9:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jethro Tull (#69)

No flame intended here GL, but can you help me with the logistics of this crime. Since you, and others, have put forward the proposition that this incident was staged, can you help me with the basic questions one would ask during an investigation; who was involved, what is in the road (a body or something else), where and how did the staging occur, when was the red tint applied, what is the motive and lastly, IYO, app. how many people were involved in this acting effort, both directly, and indirectly, as in the interviewer w/camera & surrounding onlookers.

Irrelevant!!! The dead soldier, Lee Rigby, is on a deserted island along with the Flight 93 passengers and Elvis Presley, Jim Morrison, et al. Or something like that..... You're just a mean sceptic of the *False Flag Event!* :)

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-28   12:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: X-15 (#70)

Irrelevant!!! The dead soldier, Lee Rigby, is on a deserted island along with the Flight 93 passengers and Elvis Presley, Jim Morrison, et al. Or something like that..... You're just a mean sceptic of the *False Flag Event!* :)

LOL!!

The London sitch is only unusual b/c a soldier was involved. The same types of Blck on White HATE CRIME happens daily, hundreds of times both here and in Europe. A under reported aspect of this event is the budding White backlash that is building. It's time to skim thru Buchanan's "The Death of the West" one more time.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-28   13:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: X-15, Jethro Tull (#70)

Jethro Tull: No flame intended here GL, but can you help me with the logistics of this crime. Since you, and others, have put forward the proposition that this incident was staged, can you help me with the basic questions one would ask during an investigation; who was involved, what is in the road (a body or something else), where and how did the staging occur, when was the red tint applied, what is the motive and lastly, IYO, app. how many people were involved in this acting effort, both directly, and indirectly, as in the interviewer w/camera & surrounding onlookers.

X-15: Irrelevant!!!

After so many years of searching for the Truth about what has been destroying our nation and government, others and most of our world too; after watching false flag agendas of ruination continue time after time on that destructive course undeterred as if they are the Truth, despite all evidence demonstrating that they are deceptions, and people more concerned with demeaning investigators; after so long of about nothing changing for the better in the hopes that it will if people just realize that what they've been told from the media and other such controllers in the upper echelons is nightmarish lies; perhaps we have reached the point where the bigger question is not what's happened but how much does it matter if it's real or not to those who want to believe the official versions.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-28   15:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: GreyLmist (#72)

Lee Rigby. The whole *False Flag Event!* hinges around him. You can't continue with your fantasy merely by dismissing Lee Rigby. Don't give me your "bigger picture" rhetoric. Account for Lee Rigby. You can't, and that knocks down the whole fairy tale.
It just kills some of you to think that islamo-apes chimped-out on their own. The killer in Woolwich who made his statement on the spot was very clearly acting as a Muslim for the cause of Islam. No matter how many times London imams and British ZOG proclaim that the killers "don't represent Islam", they will only be able to say they're Muslims who misunderstand Islam, they won't be able to deny they were motivated by Islam and acting on behalf of Islamic solidarity.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-28   15:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: X-15 (#73)

Lee Rigby. The whole *False Flag Event!*

For all you know he was killed hours prior and dumped there

You don't know that x-15.

Instead your acting childish in your alice in wonderland logic parroting over and over about lee rigby lee rigby.

A host of other problems exist at the crime scene but like some adolescent being introduced to the net for the first time , your droning inconsequentially, not giving thought or consideration to the inconsistencies pointed out or at least the common decency of politeness for your fellow members .

I think everyone throughly understands that you will not look past lee rigby. Just as I will not look past the red tint , just as others will not overlook anything.

If it is a staged orchestrated event... it means the believers played into their hands like a fiddle.

But that is not the worst thing in the world. The worst thing is to continue alone getting played.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-28   16:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: titorite (#74)

Lee Rigby. The whole *False Flag Event!*

For all you know he was killed hours prior and dumped there

Not ONE PERSON on the whole planet has suggested that or gave proof that Lee Rigby was killed anywhere but on the streets of London by islamo-apes. Period. You're buying into a fantasy to suggest otherwise.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-28   16:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: X-15 (#75)

Not ONE PERSON on the whole planet has suggested that or gave proof that Lee Rigby was killed anywhere but on the streets of London by islamo-apes. Period. You're buying into a fantasy to suggest otherwise.

You know it does not matter. Because in your adolescent behaviors nothing can be discussed with you unless it is on your terms and those terms have been set by what story the MSM have projected.

That I or others find flaw in their stories is a concept outside the terms you wish to discuss X-15.

Do you understand?

The Bimbos that walked by with out fear of this murderer that just commited this crime in front of them not five minutes beforehand.

But no. they walk right by like he's nothing.

The red tint is obvious too all but you choose to overlook that.... It may be pertaintent evidence but you're willing to overlook it for the sake of rigby rigby rigby rigby Someone needs to oil that broken joint. The the police come for the killers and their lack of blood despite the MULTIPLE GUN SHOT WOUNDS is another issue... and another issue was their django style death scene..... like a .38 from over 12 yards is gonna blow a man off his feet...... suuuuuurrrreeee.

I and others will be able to discuss this amongst ourselves.

You X-15 will not be able to participate in that conversation until you take off your blinders.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-28   17:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: wudidiz (#46)

I was in Portsmouth England back in '97; I talked a pint drawer into giving me two Mc Caffery's Ale pint glasses, I made it less than a block and a half before two Bobbies in chartreuse accosted me and relieved me of said glasses. I asked them how they were such johnny-on-the-spot, they said they'd got the call from the camera monitor. but, but! it takes the Limey cops twenty plus minutes to respond to a stabbing? sure it does! the peoples of Great Britain are tired of the Bush wars, this was pulled for nothing more than to revive a backing by the peoples to the Bush wars, wars extended by and expanded by mammyjammyobammy.


I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.

IRTorqued  posted on  2013-05-28   17:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: IRTorqued, All (#77)

I was in Portsmouth England back in '97; I talked a pint drawer into giving me two Mc Caffery's Ale pint glasses, I made it less than a block and a half before two Bobbies in chartreuse accosted me and relieved me of said glasses. I asked them how they were such johnny-on-the-spot, they said they'd got the call from the camera monitor. but, but! it takes the Limey cops twenty plus minutes to respond to a stabbing? sure it does! the peoples of Great Britain are tired of the Bush wars, this was pulled for nothing more than to revive a backing by the peoples to the Bush wars, wars extended by and expanded by mammyjammyobammy.

Interesting about that camera call in comparison to the alleged London Attack.

Globalists have been pressing Britain's Military and citizenry into wars for Empire for so long that I don't think motivational backing for America's wars against Muslim nations since 9/11 has much to do with this. I think the immigration problems are being used to increase police state measures for targeting communications and controversial speech:

Post #20 at 4um Title: Woolrich London Killing Terrorism or False Flag

[agenda] to revive legislation giving security agencies access to public communications data. ... [i.e. mobile phones, internet, email, text, Skype] ... the law enforcement agencies, the intelligence agencies need access to communications data and that is essential to them doing their job.

See also 4um Title: The Swedish Welfare State Is on Fire

Compare the timing convenience of the current uproars in Britain and Sweden with this:

'The future of freedom on the internet is at stake' - The Local | Published: 21 May 13

Here's why the Stockholm Internet Forum is the most important conference you've never heard of.

This week sees 450 policy-oriented technologists from 90 countries meet at the Stockholm Internet Forum, a two-day conference hosted by Sweden's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, its aid agency Sida, and .SE, the foundation responsible for Sweden's internet infrastructure.

Experts from civil society, government and business will tackle "Internet freedom for global development" and its security implications. If this sounds like the typical capacity-building aid summit, it’s not — the stakes are in fact much higher. This forum is not (just) about promoting an inclusive and open internet in the developing world; it is also about ensuring a free and secure internet in Sweden.

That’s because these days, laws in countries from halfway around the world can affect you directly via your browser.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   3:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Turtle (#11)

says the man who believes the Warren Commission Report and the NIST fairy tales.

Turtle Dare Call It Conspiracy

christine  posted on  2013-05-29   10:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: christine (#79)

says the man who believes the Warren Commission Report and the NIST fairy tales.

Turtle Dare Call It Conspiracy

Longtime bozoed dufas.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-05-29   10:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: IRTorqued (#77)

but, but! it takes the Limey cops twenty plus minutes to respond to a stabbing?

but, but! it takes the armed Limey cops twenty plus minutes to respond to a stabbing?

fixed

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-29   11:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: noone222 (#80) (Edited)

Jeff Bauman throws the opening pitch at Fenway Park

Because actors don't need to take the time to do physical and mental rehabilitation therapy

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-29   11:27:22 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: noone222 (#80)

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

That's good. Thanks.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-29   12:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: wudidiz (#83)

wud, do you believe there was an explosion in Boston? If yes, were there people injured and some killed?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-29   12:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: christine, Turtle (#79)

I don't take anything Turtle says seriously, I assume he is trying to be funny.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-29   13:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Jethro Tull (#84)

wud, do you believe there was an explosion in Boston? If yes, were there people injured and some killed?

I believe there were two "explosions" at the Boston marathons and that one of them was a real bomb and the first one wasn't and that the people at the second explosion were really hurt and really killed.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-29   13:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: GreyLmist (#72)

perhaps we have reached the point where the bigger question is not what's happened but how much does it matter if it's real or not to those who want to believe the official versions.

That's the root of the problem for you and others of like mind.

There's the official version, and there's your version. You make no allowances for other versions because you just know you're right. You can't prove it but you know it. And if your version isn't believed, then that automatically means they accept the official version of events.

But this doesn't apply to you nearly as much as it does to some others here.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-29   13:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Jethro Tull (#71) (Edited)

The London sitch is only unusual b/c a soldier was involved. The same types of Blck on White HATE CRIME happens daily, hundreds of times both here and in Europe. A under reported aspect of this event is the budding White backlash that is building. It's time to skim thru Buchanan's "The Death of the West" one more time.

All crime is a hate crime. Unfortunately this does happen way too often and is obviously racist. However that hardly means that all blacks are racist, just this morning a black man in front of me paid for my coffee, I have no idea why because I did not know him or want anyone to pay for my coffee. I hardly ever drink coffee, but today I thought I needed something to get me going, so I got one.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-29   13:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: RickyJ, 4 (#86)

I believe there were two "explosions" at the Boston marathons and that one of them was a real bomb and the first one wasn't and that the people at the second explosion were really hurt and really killed.

This is the first I've heard of two explosions, but I'd appreciate any info regarding it. Did the first one, the fake one, hurt anyone?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-29   13:24:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: RickyJ (#88)

I agree regarding crime and only used the hate crime tag only to show the absurdity of the term and the way it's used one way -> White on Black.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-29   13:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Jethro Tull (#90)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-29   13:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Lod (#91)

Thanks Jim. So the theory goes one was real and one wasn't?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-29   13:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Lod, wudidiz (#91)

Cathy Gaubert Claims Her Daughter’s Photo Was Stolen From Flicker And Used As Sandy Hook Shooting Victim http://govtslaves.info/cathy-gaubert-claims-her-daughters-photo-was- stolen-from-flicker-and-used-as-sandy-hook-shooting-victim/

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-05-29   14:00:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Artisan (#93)

That is just plain weird. They had plenty of kids killed, why not use their photos instead?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-29   14:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Jethro Tull (#92)

Well, the sounds of the explosions are distinctly different, fwiw.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-29   14:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Artisan (#93)

Another excellent reason for not using social media.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-29   14:54:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Jethro Tull (#84) (Edited)

wud, do you believe there was an explosion in Boston? If yes, were there people injured and some killed?

JT, I watched the videos of the explosion numerous times. I could see a puff of powder shoot upward, a loud bang and an obvious shockwave blast. None of which came close to ripping clothes, removing limbs or even drawing blood. I don't need anyone else's version to judge what happened. There is video evidence and a lack of any evidence of death or damage other than faked pictures, videos and hearsay. It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of looking at the available data as opposed to starting with what they say happened and (then) eliminating anything that can be proven otherwise -which would simply be doing it (investigating) backwards. If you get called to a murder scene do you start with looking for the killer and speculate why he did it or would you look for a body first?


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-29   15:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: wudidiz, Jethro Tull (#97) (Edited)

I could see a puff of powder shoot upward, a loud bang and an obvious shockwave blast. None of which came close to ripping clothes, removing limbs or even drawing blood.

In your simplistic line of reasoning, everything you see on video can be faked with actors, fake smoke, pyrotechnics, and stage props.

In the real world there is the fact there are REAL bombs, REAL victims, and REAL bad guys.

Show me where anyone is seen changing from their "pre-bomb" clothes to their "post-bomb" clothes, and/or removing their legs.

Explain to me how hundreds of city cops would ALL decide to fake a bomb blast at the Boston Marathon, and not have anyone else, i.e. the EMTs, hospitals, funeral homes, FBI, and bystanders notice that this was fake.

Or did all those people decide to go along with the plot too?


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FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-29   16:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: PSUSA2, Jethro Tull, X-15 (#87) (Edited)

Me: perhaps we have reached the point where the bigger question is not what's happened but how much does it matter if it's real or not to those who want to believe the official versions.

PSUSA2: That's the root of the problem for you and others of like mind.

There's the official version, and there's your version. You make no allowances for other versions because you just know you're right. You can't prove it but you know it. And if your version isn't believed, then that automatically means they accept the official version of events.

But this doesn't apply to you nearly as much as it does to some others here.

No, how much it matters if the official version is real or not is a problem only for you and likeminded others who insist that's all there is to consider as valid, right or wrong -- not people who haven't refused to ask whether it's real or not. Evidently, it doesn't matter much, if at all, to those like you who have been told a story with little else but some dubious film trusted as corroborative and some authoritative-sounding reports. However, there are valid issues with Lee Rigby's whereabouts for some time before the alleged attack, as I posted at #57 above, and so there is a possiblity (slight though it may be) that he could even have left the country prior. In addition to the CGI video debate, there has also been obvious photographic evidence from the onset that calls the official version into question as to how many suspects were allegedly involved at the perp scene and all attempts by me to get any open examination here at all of that conflicting evidence have been declined by those who are only concerned, or mostly so, with making researchers the priority to critically assess because of their non-compliance with officialdom's rendition. Reference photos A, B and C listed at Post #13 of another thread.

Edited for spacing and 2nd-link correction.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   16:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Lod (#96)

Another excellent reason for not using social media.

I use to avoid it, but now I see that things are too far gone, they know about us anyway by now, so I might as well try to educate a few people before they come to take us away to a FEMA camp.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-29   16:13:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Lod (#91)

At 8:40, that video shows a female with tourniquet below the knee on their left leg that isn't seen to be bleeding or injured.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   16:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: GreyLmist (#99)

No, how much it matters if the official version is real or not is a problem only for you and likeminded others who insist that's all there is to consider as valid, right or wrong --

I insisted no such thing.

But you proved my point for me. It's either believe you or accept the "official story".

"Reference photos A, B and C listed at Post #13 of another thread. "

The link is bad. But when it comes to pics, this threads OP shows how they were manipulated to try and show this is a false flag event.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-29   16:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: PSUSA2 (#102)

this threads OP shows how they were manipulated to try and show this is a false flag event.

This thread has moved to the realm of the absurd.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-29   16:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: X-15 (#103)

This thread has moved to the realm of the absurd.

Is that a surprise?

At least GLMist stays on topic and the allegations of blindness are more subtle than from some others here.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-29   17:06:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: (#89)

Post Deleted (CV)

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-29   17:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: GreyLmist (#99)

there is a possiblity (slight though it may be) that he could even have left the country prior.

No, there's not. Lee Rigby at 00:20 seconds in the blue shirt/jersey.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-29   17:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: PSUSA2 (#102) (Edited)

The link is fixed and no, I did not prove your point. You and X-15 proved mine -- that it doesn't really matter to people like you if the story is real or not, just acceptance of whatever supports it and rejection/ridicule of whatever/whoever doesn't comport with it.

Edited to include working link for the photo evidence mentioned at #99.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   17:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: X-15 (#106)

Forgot to ping you to #107. That video is from two days before the alleged attack, iirc.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   17:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: titorite (#105)

What was that personal attack about?

Stop, please.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-29   17:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: titorite, Jethro Tull (#76)

Trail of blood at 01:10 OOPS!!

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-29   17:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: X-15, All (#108)

That video is from two days before the alleged attack, iirc.

Exclusive Lee Rigby two day before woolwich attack (itvnews) - YouTube

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   17:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#109)

What was that personal attack about?

Stop, please.

Shock...

Shock gets me incensed...

Besides I am not sure how much I should be nice to some people anymore....

LIke the boston cops...

Lurker has a point about them being in on it.

They are in on it... do Boston police deserve any respect? not in my book... And Jethro there.... Jethro has been going on and on about boston and has not even bothered to learn so little about it so as to learn that their were two explosions?

I am sorry but that is the kind of intellectual negligence that is mentally crippling.

I suppose I coulda said all I had to say with out getting so personal....

That said ,if anyone does not know that their were multiple explosions in Boson... then they have no business what so ever debating boston with anyone.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-29   17:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: X-15 (#110)

Yeah how come that blood was not present in other videos... and how come you over look the medias red tinting of the black mans hands?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-29   17:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: GreyLmist (#108)

Proof that Lee Rigby was 'spirited out of the country'?? None, and NOBODY else even remotely thinks that this was some kind of *False Flag Event!!*. That's just wishful conjecture on you and some other deluded individuals part.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-29   17:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: X-15 (#110)

Red line oops.

I guess that we are terminally stupid.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-29   17:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: GreyLmist (#107)

The link is fixed

That may be, but there are no pics A B or C there.

"people like you if the story is real or not, just acceptance of whatever supports it and rejection/ridicule of whatever/whoever doesn't comport with it. "

"people like you". lol. There's that subtlety I was writing about.

Give me a reason to support it. I see no reason to accept what you're saying. Just because you're going against the MSM / .gov "official story" doesn't make you right in your allegations.

Believe me, I could ridicule you if I wanted to. But why get personal? I'll leave that to your compatriots.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-29   17:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: titorite, 4 (#113)

Good discussion should be about:

1. Ideas

2. Events

3. Personalities/people

Anyway, that's all I have on this one.

Peace.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-29   17:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: PSUSA2 (#116)

But why get personal? I'll leave that to your compatriots.

It is easy for a satanist to lie.

Your sig line clearly contradicts your words quoted above. You have been making it personal for awhile now.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-29   17:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: titorite (#118)

It is easy for a satanist to lie.

Disagreement does not equal personal.

Show me where I lied.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-29   17:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: PSUSA2 (#119)

click your sig then re-read your post I referenced.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-29   17:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: PSUSA2, X-15, Jethro Tull (#116) (Edited)

Me: The link is fixed

PSUSA2: That may be, but there are no pics A B or C there.

? Yes, there are 3 photos [A, B and C] listed towards the bottom of the linked post and separated by || spacing: #13 of 4um Title: Woolrich London Killing: Terrorism or False Flag?

Me: "people like you if the story is real or not, just acceptance of whatever supports it and rejection/ridicule of whatever/whoever doesn't comport with it. "

PSUSA2: "people like you". lol. There's that subtlety I was writing about.

As compared to this from you at #87?: "That's the root of the problem for you and others of like mind."

I'm not sure what you're implying comparatively about my phrasing but I don't have time to play semantics games right now. Note, for starters, that there is no blood trail seen into the street in Photo A at #13 linked above.

Edited for spelling, punctuation and bracketed insert in line 1.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   17:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: GreyLmist, titorite, PSUSA2 (#107)

It's been established that Lee Rigby really was killed by two darkies who have been 'raptured' by Islam. You and titorite have nothing to offer but a second- rate fantasy to elevate yourselves to some imagined position of possessing 'inside knowledge' when none exists. I guess if the niggers were drenched in a bucket of blood a la "Carrie" and a high-definition slo-mo video camera captured the knives in action on Lee Rigby you'd be satisfied??? Pfffft!!!

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-29   17:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: GreyLmist (#121)

As compared to this from you at #87?: "That's the root of the problem for you and others of like mind."

Fair enough. Just to let it go because it's a distraction.

There is no common ground here.

""people like you if the story is real or not, just acceptance of whatever supports it and rejection/ridicule of whatever/whoever doesn't comport with it. "

That quote can be about you too.

You seem to believe that those that disagree with you do so because of our own preconceived ideas that official stories are true. That is not the case. I reject it all because none of this points to a false flap operation. So I reject it. It doesn't matter who says it.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-29   18:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: X-15 (#122)

bucket of blood a la "Carrie" and a high-definition slo-mo video camera captured the knives in action on Lee Rigby you'd be satisfied???

They'd say it was CGI from hollywood (or the UK equivalent wherever that is).

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-29   18:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: X-15 (#114) (Edited)

Proof that Lee Rigby was 'spirited out of the country'?? None, and NOBODY else even remotely thinks that this was some kind of *False Flag Event!!*. That's just wishful conjecture on you and some other deluded individuals part.

I didn't claim to have proof that he left the country. The evidence concerning his whereabouts indicates that as a possibility, even if it's only a slight possibility. It's not about wishful conjecture on my part or other questioners. It could be said that it's conjecture on your part that the possibility can't reasonably exist without the agreement of official storytellers and believers.

Edited line 3.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   18:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: PSUSA2 (#123)

You seem to believe that those that disagree with you do so because of our own preconceived ideas that official stories are true. That is not the case. I reject it all because none of this points to a false flap operation. So I reject it. It doesn't matter who says it.

He says, after steadfastly ignoring once again the photographic evidence that I've submitted for inspection numerous times in this thread, as well as in others. The difference is that conformers in-line with the official version are not being targeted as outcast pariahs for their conventional position -- just those who investigate further than the official press releases. It is your opinion that there is nothing that indicates a false flage Op. That is not an unquestionable fact.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   18:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: GreyLmist (#126)

It is your opinion that there is nothing that indicates a false flage Op. That is not an unquestionable fact.

No, it's not. It's an opinion.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-29   19:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: GreyLmist (#125)

It could be said that it's conjecture on your part that the possibility can't reasonably exist without the agreement of official storytellers and believers.

Well, that just leaves the door open on every event in human history: John Wilkes Booth didn't assassinate Abraham Lincoln: *False Flag Event!!*, the Wright Brothers didn't fly first: *False Flag Event!!", Al Capone was just a persecuted Italian-American who was set up by J. Edgar Hoover: "False Flag Event!!*, The Alamo never happened, the Masonic Texans made a secret treaty with Mexico that was brokered by jewy Rothschild emissaries: "False Flag Event!! *, blah blah blah.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-29   20:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: PSUSA2 (#127)

It's an opinion.

It's dumb.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-29   21:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: wudidiz (#129)

i'm sure it is

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-29   21:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: X-15 (#128) (Edited)

There are many things widely accepted as "official" history that I think should be reinvestigated as probable false flags/PsyOps/BlackOps or for deliberate falsification of the narratives. Many "official" renditions about the "Civil War" era here are especially a bunch of hokum, in my opinion. The frequency/infrequency of past false flags or the fact that there are immigration/racial/religious problems that abound in the UK and elsewhere is all beside the point that the video you posted yourself at #110 above conflicts with the official version of only 2 prone people at the perp scene. See at 0:55 of the repost below that (except for an odd, oval-shaped censoring of a third body on the ground there where the group of people are standing) shows one of the very same scenes (Photo C at #13 of another thread) that I have tried several times to get reviewed as an anomaly that indicates something deceptive about the official version.

Compare 0:55 there to:

Edited for grammar and timestamp addition below the video for photo comparison.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   22:26:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Jethro Tull (#69)

No flame intended here GL, but can you help me with the logistics of this crime. Since you, and others, have put forward the proposition that this incident was staged, can you help me with the basic questions one would ask during an investigation; who was involved, what is in the road (a body or something else), where and how did the staging occur, when was the red tint applied, what is the motive and lastly, IYO, app. how many people were involved in this acting effort, both directly, and indirectly, as in the interviewer w/camera & surrounding onlookers.

I don't know for sure what is in the road at the alleged victim-scene (a body or something else) and I don't think that the general public can know for sure either that it's a body just because they've been told that it's Rigby's. At Post #78, there is linked info available that I think points to timing and motive for implementation of more invasive/suppressive police state measures regarding communications data and controversial speech. A street-theatre staging could have occurred in the area of London reported and GGI tinting added later to the hands and alleged weapons. It wouldn't be neccesary for surrounding onlookers to be involved other than to serve as witnesses to what they thought they'd seen, if called upon to do so as reinforcement of the shootout scenario, etc. I don't think many people had to be involved in such an acting effort, directly or indirectly -- about the size of a small production company I would guess, which would include the two identified suspects; probably the camera filmer(s) and whoever was very near the alleged body at the victim scene, as well. A strategically placed dispatch-insider or two would probably be neeeded to control who was sent to the alleged emergency/crime scene as responders and also for keeping the public there at a distance. Who would be on assigned duty or not at a hospital setting could be controlled too. If Rigby wasn't on duty at his base at the time, no one there would have had to be a participant or under the impression that it was an Op of some sort other than as it was presented by the media and officials.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-29   23:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: GreyLmist, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#132)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   0:23:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: GreyLmist (#131)

You are a goddamned idiot and you're fucking nuts with your false fag bullshit. Bozo'd.......

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-05-30   0:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: X-15, GreyLmist, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#134)

Questions about the woolwich attack that need to be answered!
1. Why did the 'killers' crash their car before attacking the guy? were they on drink or drugs? why not just run him over?
2.
How did the 'killers' know the guy was a soldier? simply based on the tee shirt he was supposedly wearing?
3. How did they know where he would be walking at that very time? Surely they must have known his movements prior to that moment?
4.
If the 'killers' had firearms as well as machetes and knives, why not just shoot him?
5. Since no picture or video shows a beheaded body, and the post mortem says he was basically 'incised to death', then how do we know he was beheaded?
6. Why werent the numerous passers by even remotely scared of these bloodied maniacs that just murdered someone, as they casually strolled by? How did they know they wouldn't be in any danger?
7. The so called 'good samaritans', the women who were said to have 'protected' the beheaded body to prevent it from further attack, including the woman who supposedly got off a bus, just to talk to the bloodied 'killer', telling him that terrorism would never prevail, etc, or another woman who lay down beside the headless bloodless 'corpse', are we supposed to actually believe that?
8. Why did it take the police almost 20 minutes to arrive on scene?
9. Why do some pics appear to show 'police' cutting the 'killers' clothing and adding blood?
10. Why does the forensics tent, supposedly covering the 'headless corpse', show up in 2 different locations, one near the junction of the 2 roads, the other, much further away?
11. If the incident happened around 2.30 pm, why did it only filter through to mainstream media several hours later? (And incessantly ever since)?
12. Why did the PM have to cut his trip to france short, for a murder?
13. Why was the scary sounding COBRA commitee formed? for one murder?
14. Since when is a stabbing, an 'act of terrorism'?
15. Why does one of the 'perps', the one ranting to the camera, have no blood on him whatsoever, except the very odd looking stuff on his hands (depending on which video version of the edited mainstream media you watch)?
16. Why does that very shot show the perp in slightly different positions, as if being filmed by two cameras?
17. Who is the very brave cameraman? why did he stand there a few feet from someone who had just 'cut the head off a passer by'? Why not run off? Or get a shot of the 'victim'?
18. Why is it these 2 'perps' were known to MI5, as always?? Were they trained by MI5? Are they agents, or actors?
19. Where is all the local CCTV? Why is there only the one video, of the very brave passer by, holding 2 cameras, filming the alledged perp, who doesn't even admit to the 'killing', merely hes sorry that 'women had to see this'?
20. Why are some aerial shots altered? Why are some parts, of passers by walking straight past the 'perp', 'cut out'?
21. If armed 'police' , who arrived almost 20 minutes later, shot the 'perps' 8 times, surely, they would have killed them?
22. Why did the 'perps' hang around, waiting for armed police, who would surely kill them? If they were heavily armed martyrs, why not kill themselves?
23. Why do the media bombard us with 'eyewitnesses saw this, unnamed sources saw that', yet all the raw footage is watermarked with a mainstream news outlets symbol? Who are these sources and eyewitnesses? Do they have a direct line to the news anchors?
24. Why is this incident still making headlines, when school bus crashes in pakistan, earthquakes, floods and other mass murders, barely get a few lines in the mainstream media?
25. If much larger PSy ops like 9/11, 7/7 and sandy hook can be staged, surely, this one should be a stroll? Only the newsreaders are telling us what happened, and they werent there! The 'victim' was a soldier, whats to say he hadn't died in combat, several months prior, and the 'powers that be' used this to their advantage? they wouldn't, would they?
advantage? they wouldn't, would they?
~ Jeremy Haydon


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   1:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: wudidiz (#135) (Edited)

Good questions.

Re: Question #12 - "Why did the PM have to cut his trip to france short, for a murder?"

Maybe coordinations for the French phase were arranged to proceed after he left there to manage the British COBRA plannings on UK communications crackdowns + the possibly related Sweden issues [Ref. Post #78 above], etc.:

After soldier's slaying, Britain forms extremism task force

In other developing news:

English Defence League clashes with police after Woolwich Machete Attack - no comment - YouTube

Soldier stabbed with Stanley knife in Paris, French leader says 'no link to Woolwich killing'

4um - France Police Arrest A Recent Convert To Islam In Attack On Pvt. Cédric Cordiez

Man stabbed in Woolwich streets away from scene of Drummer Rigby’s death

Three arrested over Woolwich stabbing streets away from Drummer Lee Rigby tributes

Woolwich backlash: Ten attacks on mosques since murder of Drummer Lee Rigby

Some Americans here would seemingly rather just go along with the official story of the alleged London Attack, I'm guessing not only because it jives closely with their immigration/religious/racial strife perspectives but partly because the communications and extremism crackdown motivations for a staging, with ramifications impacting the EU as well as the UK, are far removed from us.

Edited for spacing and punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-30   2:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: All (#136)

Excerpt from: Soldier stabbed with Stanley knife in Paris, French leader says 'no link to Woolwich killing'

Mr Hollande earlier this month said France was taking seriously a call by Al-Qaida's north African wing for Muslims worldwide to launch attacks against the country's interests over its military operation in Mali, where French soldiers this year intervened to fight Islamist extremists.

Manufacturing Consent for France's continued Military Operations/War in Africa, perhaps.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-30   2:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: X-15 (#134)

Me at #131: "the video you posted yourself at #110 above conflicts with the official version of only 2 prone people at the perp scene. See at 0:55 [...] that (except for an odd, oval-shaped censoring of a third body on the ground there where the group of people are standing) [it] shows one of the very same scenes (Photo C at #13 of another thread) that I have tried several times to get reviewed as an anomaly that indicates something deceptive about the official version."

X-15: You are a goddamned idiot and you're fucking nuts with your false fag bullshit. Bozo'd.......

I have never seen so much wide ranging aversion and now this level of reactiveness over a simple evidence photo presentation in all of my time here. Just sayin'.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-30   3:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: GreyLmist (#136)

Some Americans here would seemingly rather just...

Who cares.

Half the population has a below average iq.

Fuck 'em.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   3:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: GreyLmist, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#136)

Re: Question #12 - "Why did the PM have to cut his trip to france short, for a murder?"

Maybe coordinations for the French phase were arranged to proceed after he left there to manage the British COBRA plannings on UK communications crackdowns + the possibly related Sweden issues [Ref. Post #78 above], etc.:

After soldier's slaying, Britain forms extremism task force

In other developing news:

English Defence League clashes with police after Woolwich Machete Attack - no comment - YouTube

Soldier stabbed with Stanley knife in Paris, French leader says 'no link to Woolwich killing'

4um - France Police Arrest A Recent Convert To Islam In Attack On Pvt. Cédric Cordiez

Man stabbed in Woolwich streets away from scene of Drummer Rigby’s death

Three arrested over Woolwich stabbing streets away from Drummer Lee Rigby tributes

Woolwich backlash: Ten attacks on mosques since murder of Drummer Lee Rigby

Coincidence?


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   3:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: wudidiz (#140)

Coincidence?

I think not.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-30   3:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: GreyLmist (#141)

Me neither.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   3:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: GreyLmist (#132)

The degree of probable success in your convoluted theory is off the chart, in a negative direction.

It’s sad for you to think that something other than Rigby’s body was lying in the street. If it were anything else, your conspiracy net would have to widen to include the witnesses who checked for a pulse, the gathered crowd, all the emergency responders, and the ME who conducted the autopsy. How any rational person could believe that such a scenario could be successfully constructed, never mind held tightly among themselves for the rest of their lives, shows me a new level of naiveté.

You finish your conjecture by describing people who see this event as nothing more than a vicious street crime as folks who are steered by their personal religious, immigration related, or political biases. You completely dismiss life experience and common sense. I find your flawed insight outweighed only by a child-like imagination.

You still haven’t demonstrated how the government could have persuaded two individuals to stage the incident, wait around to be shot and arrested for murder, knowing full well they will never again be free men.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   5:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Jethro Tull (#143)

I'm always astonished when people express so much disdain for any possibility that someone might not have suffered to death and could still be alive, for all we really know.

I tried to address your issues and think that it is you who have convoluted the level of conspiratorial involvement, not me. I stated that only a small production company would have had to be involved directly or indirectly. Since I'm not convinced at this point about a number of things in the official version that you and others presume on faith to be true and factual, I do not take for granted that there actually was a victim body and an autopsy of it conducted, although I haven't ruled out those possiblities; nor that the alleged victim might have died but not been murdered or not killed there. I don't take for granted either that the two alleged suspects were actually shot, arrested and charged with murder to really face lengthy imprisonment for their parts in what I suspect could be a scripted staging.

To many it's been an unquestionably closed case almost immediately but it isn't so in my opinion. I find it astounding that so many here, including you, have ignored every appeal to assess the clear photographic evidence posted repeatedly that something is deceptively being hidden about this case as to the perp scene. Instead, I'm assessed as dismissing life experience and common sense and so on in a negative direction. I think the reflexive acceptance of this British news story shows a surprising level of naiveté from those I expected were more aware of covert orchestrated Ops and foreign aligned agents of influence in high places who are essentially at war on the sly with the populace there and here and elsewhere, so are not likely to alert their target audiences much when they are being deceptive for legislative purposes or war agendas or whatever. I'm even taken aback a bit at my own naiveté for overestimation of the numbers on that wavelength and underestimation about the intensity of US opposition to further investigation of this overseas UK matter.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-30   8:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: GreyLmist (#144)

I do not take for granted that there actually was a victim body

The potential upside of a cover-up, to the devastating downside of a cover-up being discovered is incalculable. With that said, may God bless and keep you, in nomine patri, et fili spiritu sancte, amen.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   9:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Jethro Tull (#143)

how the government could have persuaded two individuals to stage the incident, wait around to be shot and arrested for murder, knowing full well they will never again be free men.

You can get that one, JT. They used fake bullets. The kind that don't really kill people. They were just pretending to be shot. They're actors. If they go to jail whoever hired them won't have to pay them. If they go to jail.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   11:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: wudidiz (#146)

They used fake bullets. The kind that don't really kill people. They were just pretending to be shot. They're actors. If they go to jail whoever hired them won't have to pay them. If they go to jail.

Fake bullets, store front mannequins, a sprinkling of paid onlookers who tweeted in live time, bogus cell phone interviews from the scene, vials of fake blood used by actors, all done amid a sea of government conspirators who have taken a vow of silence in order to conceal an as yet unidentified motive....

Not to unlikely for some, which is frankly scary.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   11:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull, Lod, christine, *Post Of The Day* (#144)

I'm always astonished when people express so much disdain for any possibility that someone might not have suffered to death and could still be alive, for all we really know.

I tried to address your issues and think that it is you who have convoluted the level of conspiratorial involvement, not me. I stated that only a small production company would have had to be involved directly or indirectly. Since I'm not convinced at this point about a number of things in the official version that you and others presume on faith to be true and factual, I do not take for granted that there actually was a victim body and an autopsy of it conducted, although I haven't ruled out those possiblities; nor that the alleged victim might have died but not been murdered or not killed there. I don't take for granted either that the two alleged suspects were actually shot, arrested and charged with murder to really face lengthy imprisonment for their parts in what I suspect could be a scripted staging.

To many it's been an unquestionably closed case almost immediately but it isn't so in my opinion. I find it astounding that so many here, including you, have ignored every appeal to assess the clear photographic evidence posted repeatedly that something is deceptively being hidden about this case as to the perp scene. Instead, I'm assessed as dismissing life experience and common sense and so on in a negative direction. I think the reflexive acceptance of this British news story shows a surprising level of naiveté from those I expected were more aware of covert orchestrated Ops and foreign aligned agents of influence in high places who are essentially at war on the sly with the populace there and here and elsewhere, so are not likely to alert their target audiences much when they are being deceptive for legislative purposes or war agendas or whatever. I'm even taken aback a bit at my own naiveté for overestimation of the numbers on that wavelength and underestimation about the intensity of US opposition to further investigation of this overseas UK matter.

The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no revolution.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   11:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: wudidiz, *Circlejerk Of The Day (#148)

There will be no revolution.

You say you want a revolution, well you know...

" I find it astounding that so many here, including you, have ignored every appeal to assess the clear photographic evidence ..."

I find it equally astounding that some here consider this a false flag. And there is no "clear photographic evidence" to support this. THere are just some dodgy interpretations of what some pics show.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-30   11:47:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: PSUSA2 (#149)

Circlejerk Of The Day

Guess she's not in on it ;)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   11:58:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: wudidiz (#150)

Or, she's pulling the train.

Damn. I just made myself sick thinking about that. Damn. See what sarcasm gets you?

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Death to the Draconians!!!

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-30   12:07:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: wudidiz (#150)

Met many oblivious people at crime scenes lately?

You know what is in this woman's mind how?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   12:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Jethro Tull (#152)

Met many oblivious people at crime scenes lately?

You know what is in this woman's mind how?

Get real.

No offense intended but honestly , what you suggest is sarcasticly unrealistic and unrelated.

Again , please do not take offense.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-05-30   12:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Jethro Tull, PSUSA2, wudidiz, GreyLMist, X-15, Esso, titorite, Lod, All (#152)

here's my thoughts on the matter. i think both sides have asked some very good questions, including the 25 in wud's post above, which cannot be answered by any of us. they are good questions nonetheless. because of those, i am on the fence about this and the Boston marathon incident.

but i will offer this--since i KNOW that they perpetrate false flags and staged events, my inclination is to suspect that that is what it is until it's proven to me that it isn't.

in general, i am dubious of anything reported by MSM.

christine  posted on  2013-05-30   12:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Jethro Tull (#152)

Met many oblivious people at crime scenes lately?

You know what is in this woman's mind how?

I've never seen a woman walk nonchalantly past a man with bloodied hands and knives, no.

I know that there's no blood on his hands or knives.

I know that she knows that too.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   12:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: christine (#154)

since i KNOW that they perpetrate false flags and staged events, my inclination is to suspect that that is what it is until it's proven to me that it isn't.

What is it? :)

Haha sorry.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   12:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: PSUSA2 (#151)

she's pulling the train

lmao


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   12:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: christine (#154)

i think both sides have asked some very good questions,

Nothing wrong with that. Nothing is beyond questioning.

Where we differ are in the answers to those questions, and how those answers are arrived at.

For example there is a post here somewhere (this is hard to keep track of) that supposedly show some sort of fake blood packet being opened. I sure can't see that. This is just one example.

Then there are those that don't like it when we don't see the same things they say are so very evident.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-30   12:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: PSUSA2, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#158)

Questioning the London "beheading"

The following commentary, video, and photos were sent to me via email by a good friend and very knowledgeable individual who blogs at www.gasskammer.blogspot.com. Minor edits have been made by me, John Friend.
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Turn off audio. In the beginning: watch carefully. The woman sitting by the soldier on the street is stroking/caressing his back. Like a mother would do to a hurt/sad child. (To "woo" somebody?) But to do this with a corpse??? (And a corpse that's maybe or maybe not missing a head.)



Also: If he was not dead - these women would have screamed and yelled for help, wouldn't they? For an ambulance, a doctor, first aid, something. Or made a bandage from some clothes, or something like that. But they're doing nothing to help. Except the one woman who's stroking/caressing the soldier's back. (Eh... is this what someone who's just been cut with big knives needs? Stroking and caressing? How about stopping the bleeding? As surely one bleeds when one has been cut with big knives a few minutes earlier.)

Did the soldier guy die at all? At what point did he die? If he died before these women came, then why sit and caress his back? If he died after, who discovered his death and when?

Another funny pic:


Several things are peculiar here:

  1. Where the hell did all those people suddenly come from? I mean, there's just been gunfire. Cops shot two guys. People didn't run away? And the people are allowed to hang around?
  2. They're almost stepping on the soldier guy. No-one wants to put a blanket over him or something? It's like he's just decoration, or something of no relevance. [Ed note: it's like he's a prop in a PSYOP]

And, was the guy dead or wasn't he? Nobody wants to check?


Very busy talking about something. Nobody minds the poor probably-dead guy. The guy to the left is checking his text messages. The others are talking to each other.


The women aren't that concerned about the dead/almost dead guy though. First they make some conversation with one of the "terrorists."  Really?  People believe this?


Later one of the women decide it's time to sit down with the dead/almost dead guy and stroke his back.  The two other women obviously feel that one woman is enough for back-stroking, and focus on conversation instead.

Terrorist guy has forgotten everything about killing the soldier guy. I mean, he's probably still alive since the lady is stroking his back, right?

Or was it the other way around, maybe?


Not sure. Anyway, here nobody's very interested in the well-being of the soldier:



Watch the clip again. .... It's all very weird. Very, very weird.
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Very, very weird indeed.  The people accepting and promoting the official story are essentially saying this depiction of what happened is true (click to enlarge):


Do you really believe this?  Really?  

I have publicly challenged Mike Delaney, Scott Roberts, and Andre Anglin to a debate regarding this event and my views on media fakery and PSYOPS in general.  Stay tuned for that discussion folks, you won't want to miss it!  


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   12:48:58 ET  (8 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: wudidiz (#159)

Have you ever been in any type of fatal crime like this?

You are assuming that people act rationally when something like this happens.

People shut down. They turn into instant sheep. Or decapitated chickens.

I'll give you an example. I told an employee to call 911 after another employee got shot. She said "But I don't know how!!!" So I had to do it.

Then I had to work up the balls to go out there, not knowing what I'd find, because for all I knew she was still alive and bleeding out. That too will mess with ones head; it sure messed with mine. No one else was doing anything, so I did it. That could have been fatal for me too.

No one reacts normally.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-30   12:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: PSUSA2 (#160)

I told an employee to call 911 after another employee got shot. She said "But I don't know how!!!" So I had to do it.

Put it on speed dial.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   13:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: christine, Jethro Tull, PSUSA2, wudidiz, GreyLMist, X-15, Esso, titorite, Lod, All (#154)

in general, i am dubious of anything reported by MSM

I'm not only leery of what's reported on the MSM, but also that which is reported on the Internet.

It's much easier to put up a YouTube video making all sorts of wild claims that have no basis in fact than it is for a production crew to stage a "fake" event in the middle of Boston during a live televised event with thousands of actual bystanders present at the event itself, incorporating the entire city of Boston police department, EMT personnel, hospital trauma teams, etc., as part of the "fakery".

Same goes for this London incident, where the range of people who would need to be involved is enourmous.

Seeing people post questionable "proof" on Internet forums only raises the question as to WHY some people are so adament that these events are all "fake".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-05-30   13:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: FormerLurker (#162)

It's much easier to put up a YouTube video making all sorts of wild claims that have no basis in fact than it is for a production crew to stage a "fake" event in the middle of Boston during a live televised event with thousands of actual bystanders present at the event itself, incorporating the entire city of Boston police department, EMT personnel, hospital trauma teams, etc., as part of the "fakery".

that's a very good point, but i have to say. i am amazed by the *miracle* bloodless victims! ;)

christine  posted on  2013-05-30   13:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: wudidiz (#155)

I know that she knows that too.

Sorry to burst your Karnak bubble, but you don't know what she knows. We can all agree on that.

OTOH, I'd like a $10 dollar bill for every time I've seen a person scoot under signs like the one pictured above.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   13:42:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: FormerLurker, 4 (#162)

Seeing people post questionable "proof" on Internet forums only raises the question as to WHY some people are so adament that these events are all "fake".

I think there is a sympathetic, knee jerk reaction to Muslim crime, based on past false flag incidents. BTW, not to excuse the London murder, but the Muzzie made valid points in his video confession, vis a vis, Britain's foreign policy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   13:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Jethro Tull (#164)

but you don't know what she knows. We can all agree on that.

I know they used computer software to fake tint his hands and knives red. I know he didn't have blood on his hands or knives. I know that she would have known that too as he was in front of her field of vision. I know that. It's not a matter of opinion.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   14:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: wudidiz (#166)

I know that she would have known that too as he was in front of her field of vision

So help me understand your comment; she's part of the acting troupe because you know she saw the perp apply tint to various body parts?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   14:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: All (#167)

No Blood On Hands London Beheading Video Debunked! (Video)

Saturday, May 25, 2013 18:47

% of readers think this story is Fact. Add your two cents.

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(Before It's News)

 

A lot of you are going on about this video of the London beheading where it appears the man has no blood on his hands to prove that this event was a false flag.

 

This cropped zoomed and altered version of the video is nothing more than a slight adjustment in the hue and saturation to make it appear as if there is no blood on the mans hands.

You that have watched the video that I speak of will notice that the mans hands are unnaturally orange due to this and the red paint line on the street has also changed to a reddish – orange color.

I believe in false flags and I believe in conspiracy theories. But I also know Youtube channels will make up stuff and alter videos to create a conspiracy to make that almighty Youtube advertising dollar.

Here is a video I made using the original clip then altering it using the hue and saturation to make it appear as if there is no blood on the mans hands very similar to the video I am speaking of.

 

Here is a link to the original Youtube source video that was used in the “no blood on hands” video. As you can see it was zoomed and cropped and edited. But it was not edited for the “no blood on hands effect”, That was just an accidental by product of poor video editing.

HERE

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   14:18:16 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Jethro Tull (#168)

Party pooper.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-05-30   14:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: PSUSA2 (#169)

Party pooper.

Head lopper.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   14:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Jethro Tull (#167)

I know that she would have known that too as he was in front of her field of vision

So help me understand your comment; she's part of the acting troupe because you know she saw the perp apply tint to various body parts?

She's not an actor. She's just walking down the street with her cart.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   14:46:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: wudidiz (#171)

She's just walking down the street with her cart.

Agree.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-30   14:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Jethro Tull, All (#168)

A lot of you are going on about this video of the London beheading where it appears the man has no blood on his hands to prove that this event was a false flag.

This crime, while horrific, is par for black-on-white crime worldwide, especially in South Africa and Zimbabwe right now: lots of farmers are being hacked and slashed by criminal blacks, yet not one of those crimes are being hailed as *False Flag Event!!*. Just because the crime scene in London doesn't fit some idiots pre-conceived notion of what a crime scene should look like doesn't give them license to dance around like a circus clown shouting *False Flag Event!!*.

Get a grip, people, it's just another mud chimpout. It's Not A False Flag Event.

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X-15  posted on  2013-05-30   15:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: X-15 (#173)

it's just another mud chimpout. It's Not A False Flag Event.

Since when do "chimps" care about politics? Thats right, never.

just saying

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-30   20:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: titorite (#174)

Since when do "chimps" care about politics? Thats right, never.

just saying

When they're paid to act like they do.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-30   21:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: wudidiz (#175)

When they're paid to act like they do.

Well hell, all kinds of folks will do all kinds of things to get on TV... like Maurry or springer... ewww.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-30   23:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: PSUSA2, wudidiz, All (#149) (Edited)

there is no "clear photographic evidence" to support this. THere are just some dodgy interpretations of what some pics show.

There is clear photographic evidence that something/someone is being deceptively hidden about the alleged perp scene, which indicates that the official story is suspect itself. Either you are deliberately working to obfuscate that fact deceptively too or are under the impression that you can make such a wrongful assertion as fact without so much as adequately availing yourself of even a simple and obvious evidentiary presentation that shows officaldom "pulling the Woolwich over the public's eyes" on this, so to speak, for some as yet unknown reason/motivation:

On the left is the alleged victim scene. On the right is the alleged perp scene with a third body on the ground that can't be the alleged victim's. They are different areas with different scenery. The official story claims 2 perps shot. Who is the third person on the ground at the perp scene and why the secrecy in the official story about that?

References: Post #159 above by wudidiz + Photo examples A and C listed at Post #13 of 4um Title: Woolrich London Killing: Terrorism or False Flag?

Edit to add Photo B at Post #13 linked above for a different view of the perp scene with the unidentified third body in the road there towards the top-left of the pic and to the right of the news banner:

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-31   11:03:04 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: X-15 (#173)

This crime, while horrific, is par for black-on-white crime worldwide, especially in South Africa and Zimbabwe right now: lots of farmers are being hacked and slashed by criminal blacks, yet not one of those crimes are being hailed as *False Flag Event!!*. Just because the crime scene in London doesn't fit some idiots pre-conceived notion of what a crime scene should look like doesn't give them license to dance around like a circus clown shouting *False Flag Event!!*.

Get a grip, people, it's just another mud chimpout. It's Not A False Flag Event

Ping to reality!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   11:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: X-15 (#110)

[Video link 1 - further eye witness accounts of beheading of soldier By terrorists london: Black male witness at 0:46-0:54.]

Video link 2 - Witness Describes Woolwich Shooting - Attackers 'Filmed' Each Other: Compare the Black male witness at 0:46-0:54 of Video 1 above with the Black male holding a probable phone camera who appears by two alleged White male witnesses in this video at 1:17-1:38.

Video 3 - British soldier hacked to death in London, witness who filmed attackers speaks out May 22, 2013) - YouTube: Compare the voice/accent of the Black amateur cameraman/witness interviewed in this video to the Black male witness above at 0:46-0:54 of Video 1 and the Black male with a probable hand-held camera at 1:17-1:38 of Video 2

Alternate YouTube link and videolin.com link for Video 3.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-31   13:43:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: wudidiz, All (#179) (Edited)

Video series at Post #179. [Edited to correct link] Meant to ping that post to All. Continuing with the numbering sequence there. Reposting Video 2:

Both White males in that video interview (alleged local residents) claim (like the alleged rapper/tweeter in the opening post of this thread) that the policewoman shot one of the suspects. Those 3 alleged witness statements conflict with this mirror.co.uk news report, which says a male colleague shot the suspect because she was unable to draw her firearm and that she was carrying a bright yellow taser. Note that both of the males interviewed in this video mention seeing weapons in the hands of a suspect but mention no concern for the safety of the women at the scene or any thought to protect them even by calling out to move away from the vicinity of the armed suspects.

Video 4 - Witness Describes Woolwich Shooting: White male witness/local resident Joe in white hooded jacket as seen in Video 2 above. Says there that his friend's mother went to stand next to the victim but states in this video of another interview with him that she sat next to the body. Moreover, he again expresses no concern for the safety of the women at the scene near the armed suspects -- perhaps because he knew it was a staged show.

Video 5 - WOOLWICH MASSACRE DECEPTION EXPOSED part 2 special edition 22 May 2013 - YouTube: Link set to start at 4:45 for a comparative photo analysis of the witness Joe as a suspected EDL/English Defense League agent provocateur. Video 5 reference: www.gasskammer.blogspot.com website at Post #159 by wudidiz.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-31   14:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: christine (#154)

here's my thoughts on the matter. i think both sides have asked some very good questions, including the 25 in wud's post above, which cannot be answered by any of us. they are good questions nonetheless. because of those, i am on the fence about this and the Boston marathon incident.

but i will offer this--since i KNOW that they perpetrate false flags and staged events, my inclination is to suspect that that is what it is until it's proven to me that it isn't.

in general, i am dubious of anything reported by MSM.

Thanks for your fair and well informed input, christine.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-31   15:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: GreyLmist (#180)

Both White males in that video interview (alleged local residents) claim (like the alleged rapper/tweeter in the opening post of this thread) that the policewoman shot one of the suspects. Those 3 alleged witness statements conflict with this mirror.co.uk news report, which says a male colleague shot the suspect because she was unable to draw her firearm and that she was carrying a bright yellow taser. Note that both of the males interviewed in this video mention seeing weapons in the hands of a suspect but mention no concern for the safety of the women at the scene or any thought to protect them even by calling out to move away from the vicinity of the armed suspects.

Assume for a moment that perp #1, upon being shot by the females "male colleague", didn't collapse and assume the fetal position as shooting victims do in Hollywood, but rather remained on his feet (not at all uncommon) thus allowing the males "female colleague" a chance to fire at him (as the boys described in the vid). This scenario satisfies their statement as well as the report in the mirror.co.uk.

PS: I took the liberty of crossing out extraneous verbiage in you statement above. I learned, long ago, that less is better when describing crime scenes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   15:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: Jethro Tull (#182)

Brevity, the soul of both wit and crime scenes.

Makes sense here.

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Lod  posted on  2013-05-31   16:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: Lod (#183)

Indeed Jim, the KISS theory (keep it simple stupid) works well here.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   16:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: Jethro Tull (#145)

The potential upside of a cover-up, to the devastating downside of a cover-up being discovered is incalculable.

There seems to be some measure of media-insurance involved, of a sort, that might be expected to minimize the risk of false flag/hoax discovery. Maybe the main objective in this case is to implement police state measures and legislation before the public questions much about it. An Extremism Task Force was already established there very quickly.

With that said, may God bless and keep you, in nomine patri, et fili spiritu sancte, amen.

That was nice, thanks. Same to you. If you could review the photographic evidence at Post #177 and give your experienced opinion, I'd appreciate your thoughts on that as to the additonal unidentified person on the ground at the perp scene being censored from the official story.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-31   16:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: GreyLmist (#185)

Post 177: the left hand photo shows the soldier down, looking @ him from a Southerly direction.

The right hand shot shows the soldier from a Northern view and the two perps down in the background.

If you would, look #168 and give us your impression.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   17:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: Jethro Tull (#186)

What about the total lack of blood in those pictures? did you miss that? or the exagereated red right hand of the alleged killer? it is almost redder than the red paint of the building in the backround.

What of the fact that the "shot" killers arent bleeding? Did you not notice that the downed killers aren't bleeding?

And why are all those people milling about a dead man and murderers... civilians normally flee this kind of thing, hell anyone flees gun shots and dead people lest they die of gunshots from being in that proximity......

But surely look at those photos again and tell greyL , me , god and the world all again about what you see in those photos jethro.

What is in those photos?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-31   17:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: titorite (#187)

See post #168 for an answer to your blood questions.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   17:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: Jethro Tull (#188) (Edited)

See post #168 for an answer to your blood questions.

Why? does 168 talk to the photos in question or do you prefer this cat and mouse side step game?

Tell god and the people what you see in those photos of post 177 freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...tNum=155260&Disp=177#C177

Stop side stepping and such please.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-31   17:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Jethro Tull (#182)

Are these civilian witnesses "trained observers" in the sense that they went through the FBI Academy and are trained to take in multiple details, accurately and without bias, at a crime scene both during and after a crime?? I took a few sample FBI test questions during a FedGov job fair several years ago and I was surprised at how poorly I did at noticing details in a few photographs when questioned later about what I observed. IMO, the witnesses cannot be relied upon to give 100% perfect recall about what they observed.

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X-15  posted on  2013-05-31   17:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: X-15 (#190) (Edited)

Are these civilian witnesses "trained observers" in the sense that they went through the FBI Academy and are trained to take in multiple details, accurately and without bias,

I personally have excellent observational skills. And I enjoy an unbiased outlook on life in general.

Green is the most important color to everyone.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-31   17:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: titorite (#189)

Why? To keep an open mind. #168 discusses the hoax regarding the missing blood. For you to accept some Internet accounts b/c they fit into your view, while dismissing a straightforward report that differs, shows me that you aren't open to material that doesn't support your version.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   17:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: X-15 (#190)

Are these civilian witnesses "trained observers" in the sense that they went through the FBI Academy and are trained to take in multiple details, accurately and without bias, at a crime scene both during and after a crime?? I took a few sample FBI test questions during a FedGov job fair several years ago and I was surprised at how poorly I did at noticing details in a few photographs when questioned later about what I observed. IMO, the witnesses cannot be relied upon to give 100% perfect recall about what they observed.

I'd guess no, in fact I'd guess none have investigated a crime. Had they they'd realize that these things are fusterclucks of the highest order and nothing gets sorted out for (usually) days after. And, BTW, all crime scenes have their inconsistencies. They aren't neat little packages all tied up in a bow waiting for investigators. If they were, defense lawyers wouldn't exist.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   17:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: Jethro Tull (#192)

Why? To keep an open mind. #168 discusses the hoax regarding the missing blood. For you to accept some Internet accounts b/c they fit into your view, while dismissing a straightforward report that differs, shows me that you aren't open to material that doesn't support your version.

I don't see how you reach that conclusion when it is you who do not wish to examine the critical aspect of the photos in post 177. They come from MSM sources.

They are legit.

They are bloodless.

And you wanna play cat and mouse games and say "look at this" (I did) and "you're ignoring that" (I assure you I ain't , I take in EVERYTHING) The very fact that conflicting photos have been put out both touted as honest and true should of been a big clue for you and I am sorry you missed it. But If it were strait forward and clear cut then this cat and mouse game of yours wouldn't even be able to be had,. just saying .

ALSO

I do not have a version.

what the heck is up with that assumption... why do people push that on people? I am critically examining all the photo and video that has been presented. I don't have a version but I can look at the photos in post 177 and reference more facts about them than just the fact that they have the murderers and victim in the photo. I can observe more than that. How about you?

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-31   17:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: titorite (#194)

I discussed #177 in #186. And your opinion of #168 is?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   18:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: Jethro Tull (#195)

KISS

Who does a run-over, attempted beheading, and then hang around to do interview rants and wait for the cops to arrive?

Are you shiiteing me?

Please stoppit.

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Lod  posted on  2013-05-31   18:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: Lod (#196)

Who does a run-over, attempted beheading, and then hang around to do interview rants and wait for the cops to arrive?

A religious nutter with a legitimate bitch regarding the endless invasions of Muslim nations by the West. Those are his words, BTW, not mine, but I do agree with him.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   18:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: Jethro Tull (#197)

Those are his words, BTW, not mine, but I do agree with him.

Yes, I do agree with his message completely (blowblack); it's just how the event itself seems so staged and faked.

If there's going to be a bombing or a be-heading, I'd like to see a lot more real blood on the scene.

I've harvested game and domestic animals and I know how mammals bleed out.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-05-31   18:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: Lod (#198)

Lots of fluid at the front of and along side the car that we know absolutely nothing about, nor does anyone else sitting in front of their 'puters.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   18:41:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Jethro Tull (#197)

A religious nutter with a legitimate bitch regarding the endless invasions of Muslim nations by the West. Those are his words, BTW, not mine, but I do agree with him.

But what would he expect the response to be by doing something like this and then letting everyone know it was a Muslim that did it? He should have not thought that this would help end invasions of Muslim nations because it most surely will not, it will only give the haters of Muslims more fuel to push their wars against Muslims.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-31   18:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: RickyJ (#200)

But what would he expect the response to be by doing something like this and then letting everyone know it was a Muslim that did it?

I wouldn't attempt to get into a psychos head. I do know they dig vids and long knives, while hating the West.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   18:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: Jethro Tull, RickyJ (#201) (Edited)

This was TNB, not Islam. It's safer to sell bibles in istanbul than take a cab through detroit.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-31   19:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: Dakmar (#202)

This was TNB, not Islam. It's safer to sell bibles in istanbul than take a cab through detroit.

TNB, so true :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   19:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: Jethro Tull (#203)

Off topic, a little, but do you ever go out to Shorpy? Thousands of old photos, really neat stuff.

I damn near drooled when I saw the one of the old New Orleans Cotton Exchange. What fine hotel that would make, imagine it as Heston's residence in The Omega Man.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-31   19:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: Dakmar (#202) (Edited)

This was TNB, not Islam. It's safer to sell bibles in istanbul than take a cab through detroit.

There are bad people in all races. Whites have been just as bad to me as blacks have, maybe even more so. I know blacks as a percentage are more racist and violent than whites, but I wouldn't speak in general terms about them though, because there are some very good black people, they just don't make the news.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-05-31   20:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: RickyJ (#205)

There are bad people in all races. Whites have been just as bad to me as blacks have, maybe even more so. I know blacks as a percentage are more racist and violent than whites, but I wouldn't speak in general terms about them though, because there are some very good black people, they just don't make the news.

The same applies to Moslems, one of the nicest people I ever met was a Turk, but that experience still leaves me with a lifetime of evidence.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-31   20:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: Jethro Tull (#195)

I discussed #177 in #186. And your opinion of #168 is?

My opinion is that you like these cat and mouse games over direct answers.

I don't have the time or attention to be bothered with that anymore.

You wont identify anything in those pics past the fact that they contain the alleged murderers and alleged victim. Outside those terms you see nothing.

Got it thanks.

For the record I think that live leak video ignores the fact that the hands are already tinted.

I even pointed it out in a video.

You made fun of me about it.

remember?

I used the square edge of a pack of american spirit rolling papers to point out the tint on the CNN page.

I doubt you remember.

Thats proly for the best.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-31   22:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: titorite (#207)

My opinion is that you like these cat and mouse games over direct answers.

I don't have the time or attention to be bothered with that anymore.

That's a shame, I just got in a hot hawaiin guitar teacher tape

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-31   22:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Dakmar (#208)

You I have time and attention for.

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titorite  posted on  2013-05-31   22:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: titorite (#209)

chords: A D

D+

A-

John Lee's chiccccccccccccken house boogee

yes, yes

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-31   22:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: titorite (#209)

You I have time and attention for.

Can I have a dollar, maudie may?

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-31   22:58:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: titorite (#207)

My opinion is that you like these cat and mouse games over direct answers.

Your opinion is noted and filed under Area 51.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   23:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: Jethro Tull (#212)

She stole my soul and thats what really hurts!

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-31   23:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: Dakmar (#213)

But I feel I'm being used.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-05-31   23:13:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: Jethro Tull (#214)

Wanna buy some acid?

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-31   23:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: Jethro Tull (#186)

Post 177: the left hand photo shows the soldier down, looking @ him from a Southerly direction.

The right hand shot shows the soldier from a Northern view and the two perps down in the background.

No, they can't both be photos of the alleged victim soldier. As I said at #177, they are different areas with different scenery.

Reposting pics at #177 but with a larger view of the one on the right. The example used here is listed as Photo C towards the bottom of Post #13 at another thread. Note that there is no foliaged wall or red sign by the victim soldier in the pic on the left like there is by the body in the road at the pic on the right where the group of people are standing, two in yellow vests:


If you had said that the pic centered below was a view of the victim soldier in the road (near the top of the pic by the news banner) but that it was taken from a different direction at the perp scene, I would almost agree except that the body there looks to be farther in the center of the road than the above-left victim-soldier scene.

JT: If you would, look #168 and give us your impression.

Will do that in another reply.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-31   23:57:53 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: GreyLmist (#216)

beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013...tackers-shot-2522000.html

They aren't different areas w/different scenery. It's the same place with photos taken at different angles. Click on the link above. In the first vid, at 22 seconds, you will begin to see the same scene take on a different appearance (a fence blends into a solid wall and travels down). That's what you are missing.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-01   0:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: Jethro Tull (#217)

beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013...tackers-shot-2522000.html

They aren't different areas w/different scenery. It's the same place with photos taken at different angles. Click on the link above. In the first vid, at 22 seconds, you will begin to see the same scene take on a different appearance (a fence blends into a solid wall and travels down). That's what you are missing.

Top two photos at Post #216 | Video link referenced at the above quoted source | Video:

Thanks for trying to assist on the photo discrepancies but that video did not reconcile that matter for me. I'm going to need some other opinions because I just don't see it as simply different angles like you say that you do.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-01   2:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: Jethro Tull (#182) (Edited)

Assume for a moment that perp #1, upon being shot by the females "male colleague", didn't collapse and assume the fetal position as shooting victims do in Hollywood, but rather remained on his feet (not at all uncommon) thus allowing the males "female colleague" a chance to fire at him (as the boys described in the vid). This scenario satisfies their statement as well as the report in the mirror.co.uk.

PS: I took the liberty of crossing out extraneous verbiage in you statement above. I learned, long ago, that less is better when describing crime scenes.

I'm taking the liberty of replying here to your request at Post #186: "If you would, look #168 and give us your impression." I've also taken the liberty of linking back to what you crossed out of my posting as "extraneous verbiage" because I'll be referring to some of it in this reply. I decided to resist taking the liberty of crossing out all of your paragraph 1 posting quoted above in objection as speculative because I think your hypothesis there is countered by what you asked me to review at #168. Lining up those references for ease of access here:

Jethro Tull's Post #168 || beforeitsnews.com article: No Blood On Hands London Beheading Video Debunked! (Video) || linked Video 1: Blood on Hands then No Blood on Hands - London "Terrorist Beheading of British Soldier" 100% Hoax + Comments (2 Pages) || link for posted Video 2: "No Blood On Hands" London Beheading Video Debunked! + Comments || linked Video 3: UNSEEN - LONDON TERROR - URGENT MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC + Comments (2 Pages) || Video 4 linked in Video 3: UNCUT |18+| WOOLWICH ATTACK | SHOCKING VIDEO OF SHOOTING | HD + Comments

First, on your hypothesis at the quoted section above, Video 4 (last in the list) shows that Perp #1 did not remain standing when he was hit by the first two shots. He fell to the ground quickly and those shots seem to have been fired from someone getting out of the back seat on the passenger side wearing a white shoe. The policewoman was reported to be the driver and, as was also reported, she looks to be holding only a taser, not a gun at all. The Description section of that video gives details. The testimonies that I noted at #180 of the two males interviewed there and the rapper/tweeter in the opening post are contradicted by that video.

As to the rest of the videos in the reference block above, I suppose you want me to give an opinion of the tinting issues of Perp #1's hands. Videos 1 and 3 particularly have much discussion and technicality about that at the Comments pages. Different camera angles by more than one camera were detected by a number of people, which might account some for variations in coloring. Saw some suggestion(s) that the media may have altered both versions, one to be more frightening and one to be less frightening to their viewerships. My opinion is that the version with red hands looks fake to me whether that is compared or not to the other version where they don't look red. In the Sandy Hook/Newtown topic, I posted about a salon there that had a strange, red handprint as a logo with a heart shape in the palm and this situation seems weirdly similar to that for disturbing FX.

There are many points of interest in the Comments sections that I might list some examples from in another post later so that this one doesn't get more sprawling. Am posting this video link here, though, for one by YouTuber 108morris108 [Woolwich Hoax For A Society Without Freedom - set to start at 1:17] because he demonstrates changing the color of his hand to red and back again with CGI. Also, another by him [TelegraphTV Eyewitness Seems To Say The Impossible] to note this Comment posted there:

"I was unsure about this incident at first, thought it could have been genuine but surely if this incident was real then the government would issue a D notice in the interests of public safety and security and not have the 'crazed madman' saying his bit on mainstream TV 24/7 which is bound to stir up racial tensions (which of course they want) this fact alone makes it 100% false flag in my opinion, no legitimate government would stir up trouble unless it had other motives!"

Edited for spelling and grammar + link with timestamp setting. Also, resequenced first 2 videos in the reference block to coincide with the article order and corrected the numbering of the videos noted in the 2nd paragraph below that section.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-01   8:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: GreyLmist (#219)

Thanks for this, and for keeping an open mind regarding the crime scene photos. When someone enters these types of discussions with a set of preconceived positions, it's nearly impossible to open such a closed mind. If you look carefully at that 22 second mark, and beyond, the wall as a backdrop appears clearly and is the same color, up to and including the whitish cap stone on the top.

Regarding this post, does video #4 depict the shooting of perp #1, or #2, or do you know?

Previous witness statements indicate that each officer shot one perp each, and I see nothing offered now that changes that circumstance. I would leave open the possibility of both officers having shot the same perp, or both perps. This wouldn't be unusual at a shooting scene and it would again satisfy both the video witness account and that of the mirror.uk.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-01   9:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: Jethro Tull, Esso (#220) (Edited)

Thanks for this, and for keeping an open mind regarding the crime scene photos. When someone enters these types of discussions with a set of preconceived positions, it's nearly impossible to open such a closed mind. If you look carefully at that 22 second mark, and beyond, the wall as a backdrop appears clearly and is the same color, up to and including the whitish cap stone on the top.

You're very welcome. I appreciate your patience with that and, as a matter of fact, I did come across another photo [posted by Esso] since that post at #218 and before I sent the last one at #219, which shows Perp #2 at a foliaged wall that looks like it is at the victim scene but, even so, I still think there might be discrepancies. Anyway, here's a print of it for the comparison record:

Regarding this post, does video #4 depict the shooting of perp #1, or #2, or do you know?

Yes, it shows the shooting of both perps and I counted a total of 8 shots, which is the number I've seen reported somewhere about it.

Previous witness statements indicate that each officer shot one perp each, and I see nothing offered now that changes that circumstance. I would leave open the possibility of both officers having shot the same perp, or both perps. This wouldn't be unusual at a shooting scene and it would again satisfy both the video witness account and that of the mirror.uk.

The only thing I can say about the shootout with a degree of surety is that I don't think at this point that either of the perps were shot by the female officer because it did look to me like she was holding a taser in the video and not a gun, as was reported at the mirror.uk source. It looked to me also like there were two [uniformed] male officers with her that shot them, which was reported too at the mirror.uk source. I suspect that the first two shots which took down Perp #1 were fired by an undercover officer because of the white shoe seen on whoever stepped out of the police vehicle in the back on the passenger side at that time. Am willing to consider other sources but don't currently think that the two males interviewed and the rapper/tweeter in the opening post are credible as witnesses. Edit to add: I do still believe this is likely a staged Op.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-01   11:05:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: GreyLmist (#221)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZVeg6xy8E

Check out this vid @ app 12-14 seconds. It appears the female officer punches out her right gun hand and fires.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-01   11:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: GL (#222)

www.independent.co.uk/new...me/sickening-deluded-and- unforgivable-horrific-attack-brings-terror-to-londons-streets-8627647.htm

"The black guy ran at them with a meat cleaver before it stopped and he was right by the car when they shot him," said Julia Wilders, 51, who lives close by. The second man, who had a gun, was also shot, she said

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-01   11:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: Jethro Tull, GreyLmist, all (#186)

Post 177: the left hand photo shows the soldier down, looking @ him from a Southerly direction.

The right hand shot shows the soldier from a Northern view and the two perps down in the background.

I think you might be right about that, JT.

Still leaves the problem of no blood and a plethora of other anomalies already mentioned.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-01   14:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#221)

I do still believe this is likely a staged Op.

I guess they faked being shot. It's done in movies all the time.

Have you ever seen cops rush to a shot perp and proceed to immediately cut his shirt and pants up with scissors before handcuffing him or anything?

I haven't.

I mean, seriously.

Hahahaha.

Have you ever seen cops in fluorescent vests show up and first thing they do is run to anyone with a camera and start yelling at them to get out of there?

Very odd behaviour. Usually they go after the perps first, not the camera guys.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-01   14:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: FormerLurker (#0)

This one is too obvious. Hacks a man to death, has a chat with passers-by...

That escalated quickly

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irishthatcherite  posted on  2013-06-01   15:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: irishthatcherite (#226)

lmao


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wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-01   15:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: wudidiz (#225)

I guess they faked being shot. It's done in movies all the time.

Is that what happened?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-01   15:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: Jethro Tull (#228) (Edited)

I think so.

(edit: he ran towards the car, dropped his knife(s) and ran past the car as he was supposedly shot, dove for the ground, faked twitching and had no blood on him until after the fluroescent "policemen" cut his shirt up...

Wtf?... we have video evidence of all this happening.)


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wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-01   15:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: irishthatcherite (#226)

Great clip - thanks.

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Lod  posted on  2013-06-01   16:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: JT, All (#229)

the fluroescent "policemen" cut his shirt up...

these ones are wearing blue uniforms, guns, handcuffs, but they're using....

scissors?

omg wtf?

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wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-01   16:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: wudidiz (#229)

All of the following would have had to agree to enter into a criminal conspiracy, a felony, for the benefit of advancing a story which has largely fallen off the 24-hour news cycle:

1) The two perps
2) The person, or people who approached them with the details of the "crime"
3) The police officers
4) The responding EMTs
5) The video interviewer
6) Rigby’s family & friends
7) The hospital personnel
8) One or more witnesses

As I said, when they knock down towers in Lower Manhattan, I'm with you, but in this matter the degree of difficulty doesn't rate the risk.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-01   18:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: All (#219) (Edited)

...references for ease of access here:

Jethro Tull's Post #168 || beforeitsnews.com article: No Blood On Hands London Beheading Video Debunked! (Video) || linked Video 1: Blood on Hands then No Blood on Hands - London "Terrorist Beheading of British Soldier" 100% Hoax + Comments (2 Pages) || link for posted Video 2: "No Blood On Hands" London Beheading Video Debunked! + Comments || linked Video 3: UNSEEN - LONDON TERROR - URGENT MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC + Comments (2 Pages) || Video 4 linked in Video 3: UNCUT |18+| WOOLWICH ATTACK | SHOCKING VIDEO OF SHOOTING | HD + Comments

...[on] the tinting issues of Perp #1's hands. Videos 1 and 3 particularly have much discussion and technicality about that at the Comments pages.

This is to correct the link for the Comments section of Video 3 in the block of reference info above from Post #219 because the Edit option was unavailable.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-01   19:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: irishthatcherite (#226)

This one is too obvious. Hacks a man to death, has a chat with passers-by...

That escalated quickly

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-01   22:31:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: All (#180) (Edited)

Woolwich killing eyewitness Ike Onwukah describes attackers charging at police

Eyewitness Ike Onwukah describes the dramatic scenes in Woolwich following a murder in the street, as the two attackers waited at the scene and then charged the police car as it arrived.

Read more on this story here:
http://www.channel4.com/news/bravery-...

Says at 0:55 that Suspect #1 seemed like someone who had really lost it, then at 1:27 says both suspects were very calm.

Says at 2:07 that when they charged towards the police, he had to lay low; didn't see a killing or how the car got to the spot where it was but saw the alleged body; saw two women - one sitting by the body and one standing talking to the suspect(s).

Soldier Killed in London : Eyewitness tells machete attack 'They were chopping & cutting him'

An eyewitness [sic] known only as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T- shirt in Woolwich, south-east London, [sic]

'When the armed police came flying around the corner, the man with the beanie hat, the tall guy, he charged at the police vehicle,' he said. 'A shot was fired by the other guy with the gun.' [sic]

'There were police everywhere. There were 30 to 40 police officers. Police officers in each road were stopping people from walking anywhere. [sic]

The incident occurred some 200 yards from the Royal Artillery Barracks.

The barracks, also known as the Woolwich station, now houses a number of the King's Troop Royal Horse Artillery and independent companies of the Grenadier and Coldstream Guards.

Woolwich Common remains a designated military training area. The shooting events at the 2012 Summer Olympics and Paralympics were held at a temporary venue at the Barracks.

[More details in the Description section.]

At 1:34, he says something about the car he got out of. Says that the suspect who went to the crashed car then pointed a gun at him and whoever he was with. Suspect with the gun shouted to get back in the car while waving his gun around. He then says something about a car [his own?] being moved up the road and that he called the police. Says at 2:44 that the armed police took 20 minutes to get there. He saw police in the road and in the vicinity before that but they weren't coming to the area.

At 3:04, the interviewer asks him about other members of the public there. He says that there were only a few at first, not many, then traffic started to build up and people were getting out of their cars to shout at the suspects. Says attackers had the opportunity to hurt other people if they wanted to; that they were standing over the women and would have attacked someone else as well if they had the opportunity. People were filming with their phones. Says that the suspect wearing a hat went to a bus and asked people to take photos of him. Says the victim looked young, had a Help for Heroes T-shirt on - rumours he was a soldier. Suspects charged at the police that had arrived; 6 shots fired - a shot was fired by the other guy/suspect with a gun. Says he thinks that they were waiting for the police to be shot by them.

Says he didn't see the car crash but saw the badly damaged car at the signpost. Describes a pool of blood going into the road and down the pavement. An air ambulance landed at/near the primary school and they tried to save the victim. He claimed that Woolwich has shootings and stabbings there all the time - people attacked for no reason. He can't believe that it took 20 minutes for the police to arrive to take these guys down

Edited typos.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   1:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: All (#216) (Edited)

Grouping 3 Pics at Post #216 + 1 Pic at Post #221 for comparisons:

Edited text in line 1.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   2:01:27 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: All (#236) (Edited)

Re: car crash photos at Post #236

YouTube Comments A and Comments B (multiple pages):

"I want to see the whole story from cctv footage. im sure they have it seeing as their is cctv on almost every corner. something just doesnt make sense especially with the crashed car in the background next to the body."

"...when he walks back over to his 'victim', AMAZINGLY I don't see the blood in front of the car. It's almost like it was placed there after the fact..."

"... no blood in front of the car ... Blood sure does behave strangely on the streets of London..."

"The damage to the car is far to exstensive to have been caused by hitting a person,,,the left rail and front bumper support are crushed in,,,,no way a persons legs could do that much damage"

Edited a Comment typo for readability + YouTube linking.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   3:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: wudidiz (#225) (Edited)

I guess they faked being shot. It's done in movies all the time.

YouTube Comments A and Comments B (multiple pages):

"... there is no blood on their shoes or sleeves."

"... no bloody footprints anywhere? ..."

"Why are there no bloody footprints of the 'killers' leading away from that 'blood-pool' on the sidewalk that is seen in the heli photo?"

"How did the alleged attacker manage not to walk through this 'bunch of blood' and not leave bloody footprints all over the street."

"...Two guys hacking off this guys head as he lays on the ground would have to have been standing very close to him. They would have blood all over their shoes and at the very least would be standing right in the blood pool smearing it around and they would have tracked it all around the immediate area that is seen in the heli photo and likely further."

"I think at this point it is obvious that the blood visible from the heli cam, was added much later. The leaking radiator fluid is visible from every known camera angle, but not the blood..."

"... so why would the police take this long to show up."

"There were no bloody shoeprints at Boston bombing because it was a fake scene.
There were no bloody shoeprints at London beheading because it was a fake scene."

"did YOU know their is a police station 2 streets away? 30 mins was to give the guy time to make a PROPAGANDA VIDEO"

"He says, 'Tell them to bring OUR troops back'? Which group does he identify with?"

"If he was a Muslim, he would have changed his first name to an Islamic one."

"This guy is not Muslim his Christian name is Micheal"

Edited YouTube linking + removed 1 comment.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   4:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: Jethro Tull (#222)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZVeg6xy8E

Check out this vid @ app 12-14 seconds. It appears the female officer punches out her right gun hand and fires.

I still think that the female officer has a taser there and not a gun. I'm guessing that what she was doing at that point was maybe zapping the guy in the road because he moved his legs close to the time that it looked like she was aiming her hand. Then, it looks to me like she dropped the taser onto the sidewalk and that's when she might have started moving to get to her gun but both suspects were down by then.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   6:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: Jethro Tull (#223) (Edited)

www.independent.co.uk/new...me/sickening-deluded-and- unforgivable-horrific-attack-brings-terror-to-londons-streets-8627647.htm

"The black guy ran at them with a meat cleaver before it stopped and he was right by the car when they shot him," said Julia Wilders, 51, who lives close by. The second man, who had a gun, was also shot, she said

I don't think that means that they all shot him, though. Would there be a conduct or unit safety issue if the policewoman wasn't among those in the scenario who used their gun?

My best guess is that there were 4 LEOs in the vehicle, the female driver and two males in uniforms and one plainclothes officer in white shoes who got out on the back passenger side. Although there is some alleged witness testimony claiming that the suspect with a gun fired a shot, I think from viewing the videos that probably the first two shots fired took down Suspect #1 and that only the male LEOs were the shooters, other than the suspect with a gun who may have fired a shot early on. I could be wrong but think maybe that all 4 of those officers are shown in the bottom right photo at Post #236:

Was an nteresting article that you posted above. I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it.

Edited a typo.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   7:50:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: GreyLmist (#235)

On scene media interviews are not investigations, which is what you’re trying to make of this. The reporter’s questions show an attempt to gather raw information, much of which will be refined during a later, formal investigation. There is no need for the media to develop a step wise timeline. Her only timeline is to rush to beat other reporters to their news deadlines. That her questions brings the witness back and forth thru different moments of the crime is par for the course.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   9:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: GreyLmist (#240)

I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it.

If you, and others, can arrive at this conclusion, some 4,000 miles from the crime scene, aided only by Google, then I’m certain some bright minds in London, perhaps in the aggrieved Muslim community, will be able to blow this case sky high. Their lack of curiosity to what you see as the obvious must be troubling.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   9:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#242)

I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it.

White Man being stabbed by two street-thugs doesn't rise to the level of a *False Flag Event!!*, there are no global outcomes, no greater purpose is served, nothing was changed except that the White Britons dim view of imported turd-world losers was confirmed. Not one person in their right mind believes that Lee Rigby was killed elsewhere (by who? when? why?) and dumped in the street in some elaborate Hollywood production.

To persist in the 'false flag' fantasy is no more than swinging after the bell. There's nothing more to be said about the matter. The false-flaggers need to move forward and keep up with the rest of humanity or be left behind in a choking and putrid cloud of bitterness and insanity......

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-06-02   11:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: X-15 (#243)

Amen to common sense.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   11:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: Jethro Tull, X-15 (#244) (Edited)

To persist in the 'false flag' fantasy is no more than swinging after the bell. There's nothing more to be said about the matter. The false- flaggers need to move forward and keep up with the rest of humanity or be left behind in a choking and putrid cloud of bitterness and insanity......

There's nothing sensible about that at all.

Unless you ask the ptb. They'd tell you it's sensible. That's what they want. They want you to forget about it.

That's what you're giving them.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-02   15:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: wudidiz, X-15 (#245)

There's nothing sensible about that at all.

Unless you ask the ptb. They'd tell you it's sensible. That's what they want. They want you to forget about it.

That's what you're giving them.

HERE

It appears that Britain's 2.5 million Muzzies are down with this crime being normal TNB.

How is it that they are both the victims and the deceived? Do they not see what you and some others find obvious?

“They have done a cowardly, barbaric act,” said Imam Ajmal Masroor of the Islamic Society of Britain. “They have insulted God and Islam. They are low vile scum. We, the British, will remain together resolute and strong.”

A statement from the Muslim Council of Britain condemned the slaughter of the soldier by two men – both believed to be Christian converts to Islam – as “a barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and which we condemn unreservedly.”

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   15:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#246)

How (why) did western nations think it a swell idea to let muzzies into the country?

And why don't we tell'em to go back home?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-06-02   15:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: Jethro Tull (#246)

HERE

It appears that Britain's 2.5 million Muzzies are down with this crime being normal TNB.

Misread.

It's a few select appointed "leaders" that "reacted with horror and anger", not the 2.5 million muslims.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-02   15:57:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: Jethro Tull (#242)

If you, and others, can arrive at this conclusion, some 4,000 miles from the crime scene, aided only by Google, then I’m certain some bright minds in London, perhaps in the aggrieved Muslim community, will be able to blow this case sky high. Their lack of curiosity to what you see as the obvious must be troubling.

There is no lack of curiousity.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-02   16:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: Jethro Tull (#232) (Edited)

All of the following would have had to agree to enter into a criminal conspiracy, a felony, for the benefit of advancing a story which has largely fallen off the 24-hour news cycle:

1) The two perps 2) The person, or people who approached them with the details of the "crime" 3) The police officers 4) The responding EMTs 5) The video interviewer 6) Rigby’s family & friends 7) The hospital personnel 8) One or more witnesses

As I said, when they knock down towers in Lower Manhattan, I'm with you, but in this matter the degree of difficulty doesn't rate the risk.

Yes, maybe, but none of that changes anything about the anomalies already presented.

It just simply doesn't.

Edit to add: the idea is not so difficult to envision if you see that some of those witnesses/conspirators are part of a production company and/or a conspiracy of silence.

Also, if anyone wants to challenge this as in fighting it in the courts, most if not all of the judges and magistrates in Britain are high ranking masons.

It's a conspiracy.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-02   16:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: Lod (#247)

The answer to your question is the internationalist Jew. Professor MacDonald (the bottom 'tube) is someone I consider to be an expert on immigration. Both tubes are excellent.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   16:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: wudidiz (#250)

Why not bundle your theory up and present it to the British Muzzies? They aren't buying it presently, and keeping your investigation to the few people on this board will do nothing to advance your cause. The dog ain't hunting.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   16:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: wudidiz (#248)

It's a few select appointed "leaders" that "reacted with horror and anger", not the 2.5 million muslims.

Can you point to one British Muslim who ascribes to your theory?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   16:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: Jethro Tull (#251)

Thanks! both were outstanding - the passion of the first was tremendous, and Dr. McDonald is so sharp on so many subjects.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-06-02   16:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: Lod (#254)

The first dude is fantastic. That is a man, and his brand of nationalism is a tonic for all that ails US.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   16:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: Jethro Tull (#241)

n scene media interviews are not investigations, which is what you’re trying to make of this. The reporter’s questions show an attempt to gather raw information, much of which will be refined during a later, formal investigation. There is no need for the media to develop a step wise timeline. Her only timeline is to rush to beat other reporters to their news deadlines. That her questions brings the witness back and forth thru different moments of the crime is par for the course.

WTF?

Why bother to use refined truth when we can use synthetic truth? isn't that a better blend for for the blase?

But no I feel you JT, Maybe you could tell us how the "truth in the raw"is "refined" since you know so much about it. IS it put into a cyclytron and spun and so many revolutions a minute? Is it put into a beaker and boiled into hot air?

How is the "refined" truth any superior to "synthetic" truth?

And why do you think their is no need for the media to do it's job? OR even how? Do you know how to do a news reporters job from your one summer working at a TV News station? How do you have any idea what is par for the course?

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   16:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: X-15 (#243)

White Man being stabbed by two street-thugs doesn't rise to the level of a *False Flag Event!!*

Then why elevate it to a state of national terrorism for the UK?

And why the red tint on the hands? Or the no blood from the chest wounds?

Can we get more medical people up in this thread that can explain chest wounds and blood loss to the ignorant.

This isn't rocket science, it's basic biology. IF you know anything about medicine please speak to it. Have any degrees or certificates, now is the time to brag on it.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   17:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: titorite (#257)

The only mammals that I've ever taken out with a vehicle are rabbit and squirrel, but I will say that there was a noticeable amount of their blood left on the squish scenes.

The only mammals that I've ever beheaded are chicken, dove, and quail, and yes, there was noticeable blood flow in all those events; although there was much more with the fowl (chicken) that were alive when beheaded.

There's a real reason for the saying, 'running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.'

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-06-02   17:25:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: Lod (#258)

Aye,

So to see this and be told anything to the alternate...I'd say " it is like living in bizzaro world" But bizzaro world has rules even if they are oppisite rules

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   17:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: titorite (#257)

Or the no blood from the chest wounds?

Simple answers to stupid questions: Why didn’t Trayvon bleed on Zimmerman?

Written By: Bob

- Jun• 08•12

I’ve found myself repeatedly answering the same questions for dim Trayvon Martin apologists, and figured that as they come up, I can document them.

Today’s question is:

If Trayvon Martin was on top of George Zimmerman when he was shot in the heart, why wasn’t TM’s blood on GZ?

This is a simple question best answered in two parts.

Based upon the last known position of both Martin and Zimmerman as related by both Witness #6 and George Zimmerman, the two men were on the ground, with Zimmerman on his back and Martin on top of  him in what sounds like a MMA top mount position, probably something similar to a full mount.

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If you aren’t familiar with fighting sports, let me break it down for you just a little. The man on top in the top mount position has the man on the bottom pinned using his body weight. He has the advantage of swinging at the head of a nearly immobile target,and can bring significant force to bear as he rains down blows (punches, forearms,and elbow strikes) on the man in the bottom position.

The natural inclination of the man on the bottom is to try to protect his head by extending his arms to block punches, or to block them by drawing them close to his face. He can not punch effectively from this position. In mixed martial arts fights,  the person generally knocks out his opponent or is stopped by the reference within a minute of assuming a solid mount position. It’s obvious to see that if the fighter on top is punch downward, he would easily bounce the head of the man on the bottom off the ground underneath.It is my supposition that blows to Zimmerman’s face that caused the black eyes may have been powerful enough to bounce his head off the concrete sidewalk, causing the wounds on the back of his head.

Considering all it takes is one solid punch to kill someone from this position, I think a judge or jury using the time honored “reasonable man” directive would find George Zimmerman’s shooting of Trayvon Martin in self defense as a justifiable use of force.

But why wasn’t Martin’s blood all over Zimmerman if he was shot while sitting on Zimmerman.

Two reasons.

The first is that gunshot wounds aren’t the gory bloodfest we see in the movies. Bullet entrance wounds are small, and if there isn’t an exit wound, the only hole on the body is going to be just a fraction of an inch across. If you don’t believe me, ask the mortician who found a nearly identical bullet hole in a man’s chest that EMTs had missed entirely.

The 9mm bullet in Zimmerman’s Kel-Tec PF-9 is just .355" across, or barely more than a third of an inch.

Zimmerman’s bullet bore through skin and bone and penetrated Trayvon’s heart and both lungs, killing him quickly.

What does a heart do? It pumps blood. It was ripped apart, so there wasn’t anything to pump the farcical geysers of blood we see in the movies, and there wasn’t going to be much pumped anyway through one .355" gap in the skin.

Whatever minimal amount of blood that would have found it’s way out of Trayvon’s body would have then encountered not one, but two sweatshirts that Trayvon was wearing that night. Trayvon was wearing his oft- mentioned dark hoodie over a light gray Nike sweatshirt.

The odds of any blood seeping out of Trayvon’s singular .355" wound, soaking through two sweatshirts and falling on Zimmerman is remote, even if we assume Trayvon didn’t move or wasn’t moved after the shot. Odds are, however, that he either got up or fell over after the shot. Trayvon could have gotten up and walked several steps before pitching over onto his face, or he could have merely pitched forward off of Zimmerman at an angle. We really don’t know, and may never know that detail, but it is rather inconsequential.

Ultimately, the lack of blood is an inconsequential detail, brought up by those that “earned” their expertise watching laughably inaccurate crime dramas on the smallscreen.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   18:13:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: titorite (#256)

And why do you think their is no need for the media to do it's job? OR even how? Do you know how to do a news reporters job from your one summer working at a TV News station? How do you have any idea what is par for the course?

The reported did her job, however the subject failed to deliver the material in a neat timeline, and rather followed the questions as asked. That, is par for the course. What isn't par for the course is a tale that has generated no interest beyond the half dozen or so adherents on 4um. When even one Muzzie from Great Britain buys your hallucinogenic yarn of red tint, out of work actors,scores of conspirators and store front mannequins, please give me a nudge.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   18:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: Jethro Tull, anyone with eyes can see through this bullshit (#260)

Wait

What does trayvon martin have to do with the British slayings?

Nothing at all.

Ok thank you.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   20:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: Jethro Tull (#261) (Edited)

The reported did her job, however the subject failed

You contradict yourself sir.

Did she do her job or did she fail to do her job?

Make up your mind.

Do you even understand how they do their job?

Tell me Jethro What experience do you have in media? Any?

Ever worked at a newspaper or Radio news station? Got any medical backround? Are you a member of law enforcement or have direct relatives that are?

If not then, thier really is no way you have any idea what you are talking about nor any way you know what is "par for the course" let alone what is not par for the course.

Edited to make it sound more polite.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   20:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: titorite, X-15 (#257)

X-15: White Man being stabbed by two street-thugs doesn't rise to the level of a *False Flag Event!!*

titorite: Then why elevate it to a state of national terrorism for the UK?

Good question.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   20:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: All (#237)

"The damage to the car is far to exstensive to have been caused by hitting a person,,,the left rail and front bumper support are crushed in,,,,no way a persons legs could do that much damage"

Timeline notation:

'Sickening, deluded and unforgivable': Horrific attack brings terror to London’s streets

Military sources said the soldier had left the barracks by car, but witnesses indicated that he was rammed while walking along the road in an apparently pre-arranged ambush, before being attacked while he was propped up against a wall of a block of flats.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   21:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: titorite (#263)

Ever worked at a newspaper or Radio news station? Got any medical backround? Are you a member of law enforcement or have direct relatives that are?

Yes, yes and yes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   21:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: titorite (#262)

What does trayvon martin have to do with the British slayings?

Concentrate on the underlined portions regarding the blood and crime scenes then extrapolate that to the yelping regarding the shooting victims in London.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   21:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: Jethro Tull (#267)

Concentrate on the underlined portions regarding the blood and crime scenes then extrapolate that to the yelping regarding the shooting victims in London.

No, I wont because you are trying to change the subject to different racially charged event that has no correlation with the British event what so ever.

So, I am not gonna change the topic at your request.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   21:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: Jethro Tull (#266) (Edited)

Yes, yes and yes.

Oh hogwash, You would say yes to anything to prove yourself right at this point. Are you trying to sell us this malarky that you've been a cop , an EMT, and a news reporter.

Come on now, That isn't the way you wanna play.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   21:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: titorite (#268)

No, I wont because

Suit yourself.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   21:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: Jethro Tull (#270)

Suit yourself.

I shall, Raw truth is the best truth.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   21:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: titorite (#269)

Oh hogwash, You would say yes to anything to prove yourself right at this point. Are you trying to sell us this malarky that you've been a cop , an EMT, and a news reporter.

Sure you have buddy

I'm retired from the NYPD, hold an active RN license, and I did a radio show (WTTM 920 AM in NJ) for 2+ years with a co-host in the mid 90s.

And your experince is?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   21:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: Jethro Tull (#242)

Me: I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it.

JT: If you, and others, can arrive at this conclusion, some 4,000 miles from the crime scene, aided only by Google, then I’m certain some bright minds in London, perhaps in the aggrieved Muslim community, will be able to blow this case sky high. Their lack of curiosity to what you see as the obvious must be troubling.

I wasn't talking about the London crime when I stated that about the Khan character and company. I was referring to something about them mentioned at the source you posted, which was from several years back:

www.independent.co.uk/new...me/sickening-deluded-and- unforgivable-horrific- attack-brings-terror-to-londons-streets-8627647.htm

Islamists have threatened a number of times to behead a British soldier in retaliation for involvement in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Six years ago a group of British Pakistanis based in Birmingham were convicted of plotting such an attack and their leader, Parviz Khan, received a life sentence.

Khan admitted planning to lure a soldier off the streets then film the beheading.

He was described in court as having the "most violent and extreme Islamist views" and his aim was to deter any Muslim from joining the British Army.

How to expand Military actions from Afghanistan and Iraq into Pakistan, the port direction that the pipleline is planned to go?

whatreallyhappened.com: Fake Al Qaeda

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   21:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: Jethro Tull (#272)

I'm retired from the NYPD, hold an active RN license, and I did a radio show (WTTM 920 AM in NJ) for 2+ years with a co-host in the mid 90s.

And your experince is?

I have trouble believing any and all of that from the way you handle yourself here.

And if you really did have an RN license then you would understand the fakes and flaws of both this event and boston alot more.....Blood loss is no joke and even RNs understand basic first aid. And why a wheel chair would never be used for transport ever.

I have a degree in massage therapy. Two family members that are paramedics... another thats a doctor.

Not as impressive as your resume but not exaggerated either.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   21:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: titorite (#274)

Not as impressive as your resume but not exaggerated either.

you know not of what you speak. Tom is retired NYPD. Is a registered nurse. Has two college degrees. Owned his own businesses and is a licensed private detective.

you really need to stop with the ad hominems.

christine  posted on  2013-06-02   21:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: titorite (#274)

I've exaggerated my resume, eh?

I also I hold two college degrees, an AAS in Applied Science (Nursing) and a BS in Business Administration. I also built, owned and sold a successful business and I'm currently a licensed private detective.

Care to lay a bet on anything I've...eh...exaggerated?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   21:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: wudidiz, All (#238) (Edited)

They would have blood all over their shoes and at the very least would be standing right in the blood pool smearing it around and they would have tracked it all around the immediate area

There were no bloody shoeprints at London beheading because it was a fake scene.

Pic of Suspect #2's clean-looking shoes at 4um Title: NODISINFO Fake Blood and Clothing Shears Confirmed in Woolwich

Edited pic sizing.

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GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-02   22:11:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: Jethro Tull, titorite, christine, 4 (#276)

Friends, it is now time for me to ignore this thread.

When we want to examine our CVs, instead of our thoughts, insights, and ideas; it's time for me to shut it down.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-06-02   22:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: Jethro Tull, Christine (#276) (Edited)

Forgive me for not buying it.

It is not ad homenum.

I am having trouble believing him.

MInd blowing I do not believe it trouble.

You can say believe it over and over but if those private investigative skills are real why are we arguing over a lack of blood?

Why are some trying to confuse the subject with trayvon martin?

This is not ad hominum.

This is me having trouble believeing the words on my screen?

If JT is the private eye How come all his eyes see is what the MSM says is there... and when the flaws of the story are pointed out they are dismissed with prejudice?

Some private eye!

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   22:12:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: Jethro Tull (#272)

Oh hogwash, You would say yes to anything to prove yourself right at this point. Are you trying to sell us this malarky that you've been a cop , an EMT, and a news reporter.

Sure you have buddy

I'm retired from the NYPD, hold an active RN license, and I did a radio show (WTTM 920 AM in NJ) for 2+ years with a co-host in the mid 90s.

Ouch!!! That should leave a mark, but it won't. Sad ain't it?

Back to Lee Ann Womack for me.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-06-02   22:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: Hmmmmm (#280) (Edited)

Did you honestly think adding in your two negative cents was going to have a positive impact here Hmmmmmmm?

Sigh. This isn't high school. Their is no popularity contest to win by posting for the most supportive zinger.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-02   22:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: Hmmmmm (#280)

Bloody sad indeed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-02   22:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: Lod, titorite (#278)

yep. i agree. this is BS. the accusations of lies and character assassination isn't going to be tolerated.

christine  posted on  2013-06-02   22:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: titorite (#281)

Did you honestly think adding in your two negative cents was going to have a positive impact here Hmmmmmmm?

Sigh. This isn't high school. Their is no popularity contest to win by posting for the most supportive zinger.

Listen!! This is important for you to understand.

We are a community of friends on this site that many of whom actually know and like each other. Some we tolerate, while some others tolerate us with respect. So when we build a site and nurture relationships for over a decade in a place we call home that cristine sooooo graciously hosts for us for discussion and truth, when someone goes around throwing shit on the walls and kicking the dogs it is not my job to ask them if they would like another beer.

I am asking you to stop throwing shit on our walls (and kicking the dogs) if you aspire to be a valued member of our community, TIA

To the proud the slightest repulse or disappointment is the last indignity.

WILLIAM HAZLITT, Characteristics

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-06-03   2:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: Hmmmmm (#284)

How much less "shit" could of been spared our walls with a private rebuke?

Why sully it with public disdain? I would of had no problem with it.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-03   2:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: titorite (#285)

How much less "shit" could of been spared our walls with a private rebuke?

Why sully it with public disdain? I would of had no problem with it.

Hence the reference to pride, a very self defeating force. You yearn to swagger in public and suffer in private. Do you you not understand, try this one:

There is a paradox in pride--it makes some men ridiculous, but prevents others from becoming so.

CHARLES CALEB COLTON, Lacon

Trust me, life is a chain of mistakes, you are defined by what you do about them.

I am not angry with you, I don't wish you to be angry with me, I think your behavior on this forum demonstrates a high degree of narcissism and is not conducive to learning or open discussion.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-06-03   3:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: Hmmmmm (#286) (Edited)

How noble of you to point out my short comings and failures. Thank you for capitolizing upon that at this time. Few could of done a better job. Sheesh.

Wanna do us all a favor and stop acting like such a be drama queen about it... so I have problems with jethros career paths or his aptitude in those fields.

SO what buttinski hmmmmmm

You think I am narcissistic for disagreeing with jethro over this thing? For real? No way...I aint. but you know whatever. Or that Trayvon martin has relevance to this business of Britian? He doesn't but again whatever.

You know what hmmmmm,

Whatever.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-03   3:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: Jethro Tull (#282)

sad indeed.

Is it just me or does anybody else notice at least a wee bit more joviality and toleration around here when the slings and arrows are flying aplenty towards skeptics of the official version in this issue?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-03   4:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: titorite (#287)

I have no dog in whatever fight you are in. I haven't read this thread. My one comment to JT was on the irony of how wrong you were about his career path.

My comments to you have been exactly as stated to make you aware that you are a disruptive force in an open community of friends and ask that you graciously become one of us with an open heart and mind. There is only one top dog or king of the hill here and she don't say shit. That demonstrates benevolence and patience to a fault.

You are certainly free to ignore my observations and advice that you take as personal attacks and post as you please. Personally if a friend tells me I stink I'll say thanks and go take a bath.

Have a nice day!

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-06-03   5:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: Hmmmmm (#289)

I have no dog in whatever fight you are in.I haven't read this thread.

Then why are you making anything of it at all in the first place?!

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-03   7:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: Jethro Tull, titorite, christine, GreyLmist, Lod, all (#276)

currently a licensed private detective


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-03   8:56:05 ET  (5 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: wudidiz (#291)

Are these pics simply meant to ridicule?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-03   9:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: Jethro Tull (#292)

Only in an attempt to add some levity as well :)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-03   9:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: wudidiz (#293)

Only in an attempt to add some levity as well :)

So your answer is yes to the ridicule with the added component of levity. Gotcha.

Let me in on your levity please.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-03   9:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: Jethro Tull (#294)

You know I'm just kiddin around. Lighten up, JT, it's just another thread. I love you, have a good day, Sir :)


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-03   9:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: wudidiz (#295)

It wasn't that long ago that your wife? grabbed your PW and posted your life history here on 4um. It was embarrassing to you and you asked for her comment to be taken down. It was immediately. I recall enough about your background to post a similar string of pics about you, and like you, it would be done simply for the purposes of levity. I'll hold my fire and yeah, have a great day.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-03   9:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: Jethro Tull (#296)

I apologize to Jethro Tull for implying that he may of exaggerated about his credentials.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-03   11:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: titorite (#297)

No problem.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-03   12:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: All (#297)

I think the question was GreyLmists, to wudididz.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...tNum=155260&Disp=277#C277

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-03   12:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: GreyLmist, wududiz (#299)

Ping to yall,.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-03   12:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: titorite, wudidiz, All (#299)

titorite: I think the question was GreyLmists, to wudididz.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...tNum=155260&Disp=277#C277

Corrected the above referenced link to my post at #277. There isn't a question from me to wudidiz there. I courtesy-pinged him to that post because the pic I used to show the clean condition of Suspect #2's shoes was from one of his threads on this topic. Did you mean to link to a different post?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-03   13:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: Jethro Tull (#296)

It wasn't that long ago that your wife? grabbed your PW and posted your life history here on 4um. It was embarrassing to you and you asked for her comment to be taken down. It was immediately. I recall enough about your background to post a similar string of pics about you, and like you, it would be done simply for the purposes of levity. I'll hold my fire and yeah, have a great day.

I remember that. She was lying fwiw. Thanks for not firing back though. You're one of the good guys, JT. Peace.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-06-03   14:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: Jethro Tull, wudidiz, titorite (#296)

Interviewer: Did you witness some discourteous razzing by the accused of a Private Eye's credentials that had been posted of their own volition at this location?

Witness: Sadly, yes I did and from another so accused as well.

Interviewer: In comparison, what was your impression about the Private Eye's writ of ordinance as to one of the accused's personal info that had not been put in the public domain of their own volition?

Witness: It definitely had a higher scale of resounding impact...like hollow points. :(

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-03   14:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: wudidiz (#302)

Peace wud.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-03   15:09:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: GreyLmist (#303)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-03   15:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: All (#303) (Edited)

Witness: It definitely had a higher scale of resounding impact...like hollow points. :(

Interviewer: One more question, if you don't mind answering.

Witness: Ask and I'll let you know if I'd rather not answer about it.

Interviewer: Has anyone other than you frowned in the direction of the PI for that level of escalation?

Witness: Not that I know of and don't expect to see any other such expressions of dismay.

Interviewer: Why not?

Witness: No further comment regarding the issues of condonance and bias at this time. That was more than one other question.

Edited to expand the last line.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-03   15:25:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: Jethro Tull, All (#305)

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-06-03   15:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: Jethro Tull (#305)

I didn't like the burlesque aspects and such in the video but I can say that the song was sort of snappy.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-03   15:38:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: GreyLmist (#308)

Stay with this one, they did it @ Woodstock.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-03   17:05:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: X-15 (#307)

Thanks for this vid. Weston is a proud White Brit, standing tall in defense of his nation. The flood of human debris flooding across theirs and our border invite invading butchers to apply their trade. May his numbers multiply ten fold with each brutal attack.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-03   17:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: Jethro Tull (#309) (Edited)

Had to look up the words but liked the tune's music right away. You might like this one. Am posting some of the lyrics here so you won't have to go surfing for them.

You say the hill's too steep to climb. (Climbing)
You say you'd like to see me try. (Climbing)
You pick the place and I'll choose the time
and I'll climb that hill in my own way.
Just wait a while for the right day.
And as I rise above the tree-line in the clouds,
I look down hearing the sound of the things you said today.

Pink Floyd - Fearless

Edited for formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-03   18:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#312. To: GreyLmist (#311)

Now you're talking GL :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-06-03   20:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#313. To: Jethro Tull (#312) (Edited)

Freaky.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-03   22:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#314. To: Jethro Tull, All (#235) (Edited)

Cross-referencing Jethro Tull's post at #223 that contains a statement by alleged witness, Julia Wilders, about the shootout with police as reported at independent.co.uk.

Two YouTube examples of a BBC News interview with alleged witnesses, Julia Wilders and Olusola Peluola:

1. Woolwich Witnesses Tell Why They Had To Help Victim Since Bobbies Wouldn't
2. Woolwich Witnesses Tell All They Helped Victim Since Bobbies Were Waiting For Gun Power

Both alleged witnesses state they saw a car that was crashed but not that they saw it crash. Peluola claims that he "heard like 4 gunshots" after the police arrived and drove/moved people back from the area. During his statements about the police, music starts playing like it might be from a cell phone ringtone. Thought it might be something that got inserted somehow by the video uploader but it is heard at the same time-marker (3:34) of both videos listed above, so seems to have occured during the BBC interview. Looked it up and it is a 2008 song called Voices by Rev Theory, an American band. Freaky lyrics. Noting that as a side-detail along with the interviews for the record.

Edited to include lyrics site.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-06   14:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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