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Title: BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT
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Published: May 23, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-05-26 14:50:53 by FormerLurker
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Published on May 23, 2013 BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT Was the Woolwich Attack a Hoax? (Debunked) Where is the blood? People are questioning whether the attack on a soldier in Woolwich yesterday was a fabricated event. The first guy goes for her with a machete... she took him out like Robocop...': Rapper's tweets among eyewitness accounts of horrific attack WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT Onlookers recount murder in shocking detail from start to gruesome finish Boya Dee tweets: 'Two black brothers run over this white guy over and start chopping man's head off' Another witness said the two attackers behaved like 'crazed animals' 'They dragged him from the pavement and dumped body in middle of road' Heroic woman begged with terrorists to comfort and pray for dead soldier Suspects then 'went for police with machetes, a knife and handgun' Witness: 'I don't think they cared. Police were only ones who did shooting' Pupils cower in terror as jihadist killer totes gun near their school A rapper who witnessed the shocking Woolwich attack revealed the true horror of the situation as he posted a series of tweets from the scene. Boya Dee was among a number of eyewitnesses who saw the incident yesterday from start to finish, and described how the suspects tried to attack police officers after hacking at a man with a machete. He wrote: 'The two black bredas [brothers] run this white guy over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!' In another dramatic tweet, he added: 'The first guy goes for the female fed [police officer] with the machete and she not even ramping [messing about] she took man out like robocop never seen nutn [nothing] like it.' It was confirmed by police last night that two men had been arrested and officers from the counter-terrorist unit were leading the investigation into the killing. Another eyewitness revealed how he watched the two attackers behave like 'crazed animals'. The man, known only as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T-shirt in Woolwich, south-east London, like he was 'a piece of meat'. Fighting back tears, he told LBC Radio: 'They were hacking at this poor guy, literally. They were chopping him, cutting him. These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. 'They dragged him from the pavement, dumped his body in the middle of the road and left (it) there.' He said that after the 'horrendous' attack, the two men, in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them 'as if they wanted to be on TV'. 'They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road,' he said. 'They had no intention of running off or leaving or anything. 'In my opinion, they were waiting for the police to arrive to be shot by the police. That's the only thing I can think. It's horrendous what they were doing to that guy.' I wasn't scared. Better me than a child': Incredible courage of the woman Cub Scout leader who confronted knife-wielding Islamic fanatic moments after he had slaughtered soldier in London street Poster Comment: Food for thought
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#95. To: Jethro Tull (#92)
Well, the sounds of the explosions are distinctly different, fwiw.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Another excellent reason for not using social media.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
JT, I watched the videos of the explosion numerous times. I could see a puff of powder shoot upward, a loud bang and an obvious shockwave blast. None of which came close to ripping clothes, removing limbs or even drawing blood. I don't need anyone else's version to judge what happened. There is video evidence and a lack of any evidence of death or damage other than faked pictures, videos and hearsay. It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of looking at the available data as opposed to starting with what they say happened and (then) eliminating anything that can be proven otherwise -which would simply be doing it (investigating) backwards. If you get called to a murder scene do you start with looking for the killer and speculate why he did it or would you look for a body first? In your simplistic line of reasoning, everything you see on video can be faked with actors, fake smoke, pyrotechnics, and stage props. In the real world there is the fact there are REAL bombs, REAL victims, and REAL bad guys. Show me where anyone is seen changing from their "pre-bomb" clothes to their "post-bomb" clothes, and/or removing their legs. Explain to me how hundreds of city cops would ALL decide to fake a bomb blast at the Boston Marathon, and not have anyone else, i.e. the EMTs, hospitals, funeral homes, FBI, and bystanders notice that this was fake. Or did all those people decide to go along with the plot too? PSUSA2: That's the root of the problem for you and others of like mind. There's the official version, and there's your version. You make no allowances for other versions because you just know you're right. You can't prove it but you know it. And if your version isn't believed, then that automatically means they accept the official version of events. But this doesn't apply to you nearly as much as it does to some others here. No, how much it matters if the official version is real or not is a problem only for you and likeminded others who insist that's all there is to consider as valid, right or wrong -- not people who haven't refused to ask whether it's real or not. Evidently, it doesn't matter much, if at all, to those like you who have been told a story with little else but some dubious film trusted as corroborative and some authoritative-sounding reports. However, there are valid issues with Lee Rigby's whereabouts for some time before the alleged attack, as I posted at #57 above, and so there is a possiblity (slight though it may be) that he could even have left the country prior. In addition to the CGI video debate, there has also been obvious photographic evidence from the onset that calls the official version into question as to how many suspects were allegedly involved at the perp scene and all attempts by me to get any open examination here at all of that conflicting evidence have been declined by those who are only concerned, or mostly so, with making researchers the priority to critically assess because of their non-compliance with officialdom's rendition. Reference photos A, B and C listed at Post #13 of another thread. Edited for spacing and 2nd-link correction. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I use to avoid it, but now I see that things are too far gone, they know about us anyway by now, so I might as well try to educate a few people before they come to take us away to a FEMA camp. God is always good!
At 8:40, that video shows a female with tourniquet below the knee on their left leg that isn't seen to be bleeding or injured.
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I insisted no such thing. But you proved my point for me. It's either believe you or accept the "official story". "Reference photos A, B and C listed at Post #13 of another thread. " The link is bad. But when it comes to pics, this threads OP shows how they were manipulated to try and show this is a false flag event. ------------------------------------------ This thread has moved to the realm of the absurd.
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#97. To: Jethro Tull (#84)
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wud, do you believe there was an explosion in Boston? If yes, were there people injured and some killed?
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#98. To: wudidiz, Jethro Tull (#97)
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I could see a puff of powder shoot upward, a loud bang and an obvious shockwave blast. None of which came close to ripping clothes, removing limbs or even drawing blood.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: PSUSA2, Jethro Tull, X-15 (#87)
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Me: perhaps we have reached the point where the bigger question is not what's happened but how much does it matter if it's real or not to those who want to believe the official versions.
#100. To: Lod (#96)
Another excellent reason for not using social media.
#101. To: Lod (#91)
#102. To: GreyLmist (#99)
No, how much it matters if the official version is real or not is a problem only for you and likeminded others who insist that's all there is to consider as valid, right or wrong --
#103. To: PSUSA2 (#102)
this threads OP shows how they were manipulated to try and show this is a false flag event.
-Alex Kurtagic
#104. To: X-15 (#103)
Is that a surprise? At least GLMist stays on topic and the allegations of blindness are more subtle than from some others here. This thread has moved to the realm of the absurd.
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#105. To: (#89)
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#106. To: GreyLmist (#99)
No, there's not. Lee Rigby at 00:20 seconds in the blue shirt/jersey. there is a possiblity (slight though it may be) that he could even have left the country prior.
-Alex Kurtagic
#107. To: PSUSA2 (#102) (Edited)
The link is fixed and no, I did not prove your point. You and X-15 proved mine -- that it doesn't really matter to people like you if the story is real or not, just acceptance of whatever supports it and rejection/ridicule of whatever/whoever doesn't comport with it. Edited to include working link for the photo evidence mentioned at #99.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#108. To: X-15 (#106)
Forgot to ping you to #107. That video is from two days before the alleged attack, iirc.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#109. To: titorite (#105)
What was that personal attack about? Stop, please.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#110. To: titorite, Jethro Tull (#76)
Trail of blood at 01:10 OOPS!!
-Alex Kurtagic
#111. To: X-15, All (#108)
Exclusive Lee Rigby two day before woolwich attack (itvnews) - YouTube That video is from two days before the alleged attack, iirc.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#112. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#109)
Stop, please. Shock... Shock gets me incensed... Besides I am not sure how much I should be nice to some people anymore.... LIke the boston cops... Lurker has a point about them being in on it. They are in on it... do Boston police deserve any respect? not in my book... And Jethro there.... Jethro has been going on and on about boston and has not even bothered to learn so little about it so as to learn that their were two explosions? I am sorry but that is the kind of intellectual negligence that is mentally crippling. I suppose I coulda said all I had to say with out getting so personal.... That said ,if anyone does not know that their were multiple explosions in Boson... then they have no business what so ever debating boston with anyone. What was that personal attack about?
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#113. To: X-15 (#110)
Yeah how come that blood was not present in other videos... and how come you over look the medias red tinting of the black mans hands?
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#114. To: GreyLmist (#108)
Proof that Lee Rigby was 'spirited out of the country'?? None, and NOBODY else even remotely thinks that this was some kind of *False Flag Event!!*. That's just wishful conjecture on you and some other deluded individuals part.
-Alex Kurtagic
#115. To: X-15 (#110)
Red line oops. I guess that we are terminally stupid.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#116. To: GreyLmist (#107)
That may be, but there are no pics A B or C there. "people like you if the story is real or not, just acceptance of whatever supports it and rejection/ridicule of whatever/whoever doesn't comport with it. " "people like you". lol. There's that subtlety I was writing about. Give me a reason to support it. I see no reason to accept what you're saying. Just because you're going against the MSM / .gov "official story" doesn't make you right in your allegations. Believe me, I could ridicule you if I wanted to. But why get personal? I'll leave that to your compatriots. The link is fixed
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#117. To: titorite, 4 (#113)
Good discussion should be about: 1. Ideas 2. Events 3. Personalities/people Anyway, that's all I have on this one. Peace.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#118. To: PSUSA2 (#116)
It is easy for a satanist to lie. Your sig line clearly contradicts your words quoted above. You have been making it personal for awhile now. But why get personal? I'll leave that to your compatriots.
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#119. To: titorite (#118)
Disagreement does not equal personal. Show me where I lied. It is easy for a satanist to lie.
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#120. To: PSUSA2 (#119)
click your sig then re-read your post I referenced.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#121. To: PSUSA2, X-15, Jethro Tull (#116) (Edited)
PSUSA2: That may be, but there are no pics A B or C there. ? Yes, there are 3 photos [A, B and C] listed towards the bottom of the linked post and separated by || spacing: #13 of 4um Title: Woolrich London Killing: Terrorism or False Flag? PSUSA2: "people like you". lol. There's that subtlety I was writing about. As compared to this from you at #87?: "That's the root of the problem for you and others of like mind." I'm not sure what you're implying comparatively about my phrasing but I don't have time to play semantics games right now. Note, for starters, that there is no blood trail seen into the street in Photo A at #13 linked above. Edited for spelling, punctuation and bracketed insert in line 1. Me: The link is fixed
Me: "people like you if the story is real or not, just acceptance of whatever supports it and rejection/ridicule of whatever/whoever doesn't comport with it. "
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#122. To: GreyLmist, titorite, PSUSA2 (#107)
It's been established that Lee Rigby really was killed by two darkies who have been 'raptured' by Islam. You and titorite have nothing to offer but a second- rate fantasy to elevate yourselves to some imagined position of possessing 'inside knowledge' when none exists. I guess if the niggers were drenched in a bucket of blood a la "Carrie" and a high-definition slo-mo video camera captured the knives in action on Lee Rigby you'd be satisfied??? Pfffft!!!
-Alex Kurtagic
#123. To: GreyLmist (#121)
Fair enough. Just to let it go because it's a distraction. There is no common ground here. ""people like you if the story is real or not, just acceptance of whatever supports it and rejection/ridicule of whatever/whoever doesn't comport with it. " That quote can be about you too. You seem to believe that those that disagree with you do so because of our own preconceived ideas that official stories are true. That is not the case. I reject it all because none of this points to a false flap operation. So I reject it. It doesn't matter who says it. As compared to this from you at #87?: "That's the root of the problem for you and others of like mind."
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#124. To: X-15 (#122)
They'd say it was CGI from hollywood (or the UK equivalent wherever that is). bucket of blood a la "Carrie" and a high-definition slo-mo video camera captured the knives in action on Lee Rigby you'd be satisfied???
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#125. To: X-15 (#114) (Edited)
I didn't claim to have proof that he left the country. The evidence concerning his whereabouts indicates that as a possibility, even if it's only a slight possibility. It's not about wishful conjecture on my part or other questioners. It could be said that it's conjecture on your part that the possibility can't reasonably exist without the agreement of official storytellers and believers. Edited line 3. Proof that Lee Rigby was 'spirited out of the country'?? None, and NOBODY else even remotely thinks that this was some kind of *False Flag Event!!*. That's just wishful conjecture on you and some other deluded individuals part.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#126. To: PSUSA2 (#123)
He says, after steadfastly ignoring once again the photographic evidence that I've submitted for inspection numerous times in this thread, as well as in others. The difference is that conformers in-line with the official version are not being targeted as outcast pariahs for their conventional position -- just those who investigate further than the official press releases. It is your opinion that there is nothing that indicates a false flage Op. That is not an unquestionable fact. You seem to believe that those that disagree with you do so because of our own preconceived ideas that official stories are true. That is not the case. I reject it all because none of this points to a false flap operation. So I reject it. It doesn't matter who says it.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#127. To: GreyLmist (#126)
No, it's not. It's an opinion. It is your opinion that there is nothing that indicates a false flage Op. That is not an unquestionable fact.
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#128. To: GreyLmist (#125)
Well, that just leaves the door open on every event in human history: John Wilkes Booth didn't assassinate Abraham Lincoln: *False Flag Event!!*, the Wright Brothers didn't fly first: *False Flag Event!!", Al Capone was just a persecuted Italian-American who was set up by J. Edgar Hoover: "False Flag Event!!*, The Alamo never happened, the Masonic Texans made a secret treaty with Mexico that was brokered by jewy Rothschild emissaries: "False Flag Event!! *, blah blah blah. It could be said that it's conjecture on your part that the possibility can't reasonably exist without the agreement of official storytellers and believers.
-Alex Kurtagic
#129. To: PSUSA2 (#127)
It's dumb. It's an opinion.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#130. To: wudidiz (#129)
i'm sure it is
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#131. To: X-15 (#128) (Edited)
There are many things widely accepted as "official" history that I think should be reinvestigated as probable false flags/PsyOps/BlackOps or for deliberate falsification of the narratives. Many "official" renditions about the "Civil War" era here are especially a bunch of hokum, in my opinion. The frequency/infrequency of past false flags or the fact that there are immigration/racial/religious problems that abound in the UK and elsewhere is all beside the point that the video you posted yourself at #110 above conflicts with the official version of only 2 prone people at the perp scene. See at 0:55 of the repost below that (except for an odd, oval-shaped censoring of a third body on the ground there where the group of people are standing) shows one of the very same scenes (Photo C at #13 of another thread) that I have tried several times to get reviewed as an anomaly that indicates something deceptive about the official version. Compare 0:55 there to: Edited for grammar and timestamp addition below the video for photo comparison. 
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#132. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
I don't know for sure what is in the road at the alleged victim-scene (a body or something else) and I don't think that the general public can know for sure either that it's a body just because they've been told that it's Rigby's. At Post #78, there is linked info available that I think points to timing and motive for implementation of more invasive/suppressive police state measures regarding communications data and controversial speech. A street-theatre staging could have occurred in the area of London reported and GGI tinting added later to the hands and alleged weapons. It wouldn't be neccesary for surrounding onlookers to be involved other than to serve as witnesses to what they thought they'd seen, if called upon to do so as reinforcement of the shootout scenario, etc. I don't think many people had to be involved in such an acting effort, directly or indirectly -- about the size of a small production company I would guess, which would include the two identified suspects; probably the camera filmer(s) and whoever was very near the alleged body at the victim scene, as well. A strategically placed dispatch-insider or two would probably be neeeded to control who was sent to the alleged emergency/crime scene as responders and also for keeping the public there at a distance. Who would be on assigned duty or not at a hospital setting could be controlled too. If Rigby wasn't on duty at his base at the time, no one there would have had to be a participant or under the impression that it was an Op of some sort other than as it was presented by the media and officials. No flame intended here GL, but can you help me with the logistics of this crime. Since you, and others, have put forward the proposition that this incident was staged, can you help me with the basic questions one would ask during an investigation; who was involved, what is in the road (a body or something else), where and how did the staging occur, when was the red tint applied, what is the motive and lastly, IYO, app. how many people were involved in this acting effort, both directly, and indirectly, as in the interviewer w/camera & surrounding onlookers.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#133. To: GreyLmist, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#132)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#134. To: GreyLmist (#131)
You are a goddamned idiot and you're fucking nuts with your false fag bullshit. Bozo'd.......
-Alex Kurtagic
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