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Title: BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT
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Published: May 23, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-05-26 14:50:53 by FormerLurker
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Published on May 23, 2013 BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT Was the Woolwich Attack a Hoax? (Debunked) Where is the blood? People are questioning whether the attack on a soldier in Woolwich yesterday was a fabricated event. The first guy goes for her with a machete... she took him out like Robocop...': Rapper's tweets among eyewitness accounts of horrific attack WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT Onlookers recount murder in shocking detail from start to gruesome finish Boya Dee tweets: 'Two black brothers run over this white guy over and start chopping man's head off' Another witness said the two attackers behaved like 'crazed animals' 'They dragged him from the pavement and dumped body in middle of road' Heroic woman begged with terrorists to comfort and pray for dead soldier Suspects then 'went for police with machetes, a knife and handgun' Witness: 'I don't think they cared. Police were only ones who did shooting' Pupils cower in terror as jihadist killer totes gun near their school A rapper who witnessed the shocking Woolwich attack revealed the true horror of the situation as he posted a series of tweets from the scene. Boya Dee was among a number of eyewitnesses who saw the incident yesterday from start to finish, and described how the suspects tried to attack police officers after hacking at a man with a machete. He wrote: 'The two black bredas [brothers] run this white guy over then hop out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!' In another dramatic tweet, he added: 'The first guy goes for the female fed [police officer] with the machete and she not even ramping [messing about] she took man out like robocop never seen nutn [nothing] like it.' It was confirmed by police last night that two men had been arrested and officers from the counter-terrorist unit were leading the investigation into the killing. Another eyewitness revealed how he watched the two attackers behave like 'crazed animals'. The man, known only as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T-shirt in Woolwich, south-east London, like he was 'a piece of meat'. Fighting back tears, he told LBC Radio: 'They were hacking at this poor guy, literally. They were chopping him, cutting him. These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. 'They dragged him from the pavement, dumped his body in the middle of the road and left (it) there.' He said that after the 'horrendous' attack, the two men, in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them 'as if they wanted to be on TV'. 'They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road,' he said. 'They had no intention of running off or leaving or anything. 'In my opinion, they were waiting for the police to arrive to be shot by the police. That's the only thing I can think. It's horrendous what they were doing to that guy.' I wasn't scared. Better me than a child': Incredible courage of the woman Cub Scout leader who confronted knife-wielding Islamic fanatic moments after he had slaughtered soldier in London street Poster Comment: Food for thought
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#219. To: Jethro Tull (#182)
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PS: I took the liberty of crossing out extraneous verbiage in you statement above. I learned, long ago, that less is better when describing crime scenes. I'm taking the liberty of replying here to your request at Post #186: "If you would, look #168 and give us your impression." I've also taken the liberty of linking back to what you crossed out of my posting as "extraneous verbiage" because I'll be referring to some of it in this reply. I decided to resist taking the liberty of crossing out all of your paragraph 1 posting quoted above in objection as speculative because I think your hypothesis there is countered by what you asked me to review at #168. Lining up those references for ease of access here: First, on your hypothesis at the quoted section above, Video 4 (last in the list) shows that Perp #1 did not remain standing when he was hit by the first two shots. He fell to the ground quickly and those shots seem to have been fired from someone getting out of the back seat on the passenger side wearing a white shoe. The policewoman was reported to be the driver and, as was also reported, she looks to be holding only a taser, not a gun at all. The Description section of that video gives details. The testimonies that I noted at #180 of the two males interviewed there and the rapper/tweeter in the opening post are contradicted by that video. As to the rest of the videos in the reference block above, I suppose you want me to give an opinion of the tinting issues of Perp #1's hands. Videos 1 and 3 particularly have much discussion and technicality about that at the Comments pages. Different camera angles by more than one camera were detected by a number of people, which might account some for variations in coloring. Saw some suggestion(s) that the media may have altered both versions, one to be more frightening and one to be less frightening to their viewerships. My opinion is that the version with red hands looks fake to me whether that is compared or not to the other version where they don't look red. In the Sandy Hook/Newtown topic, I posted about a salon there that had a strange, red handprint as a logo with a heart shape in the palm and this situation seems weirdly similar to that for disturbing FX. There are many points of interest in the Comments sections that I might list some examples from in another post later so that this one doesn't get more sprawling. Am posting this video link here, though, for one by YouTuber 108morris108 [Woolwich Hoax For A Society Without Freedom - set to start at 1:17] because he demonstrates changing the color of his hand to red and back again with CGI. Also, another by him [TelegraphTV Eyewitness Seems To Say The Impossible] to note this Comment posted there: Edited for spelling and grammar + link with timestamp setting. Also, resequenced first 2 videos in the reference block to coincide with the article order and corrected the numbering of the videos noted in the 2nd paragraph below that section. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thanks for this, and for keeping an open mind regarding the crime scene photos. When someone enters these types of discussions with a set of preconceived positions, it's nearly impossible to open such a closed mind. If you look carefully at that 22 second mark, and beyond, the wall as a backdrop appears clearly and is the same color, up to and including the whitish cap stone on the top. Regarding this post, does video #4 depict the shooting of perp #1, or #2, or do you know? Previous witness statements indicate that each officer shot one perp each, and I see nothing offered now that changes that circumstance. I would leave open the possibility of both officers having shot the same perp, or both perps. This wouldn't be unusual at a shooting scene and it would again satisfy both the video witness account and that of the mirror.uk.
You're very welcome. I appreciate your patience with that and, as a matter of fact, I did come across another photo [posted by Esso] since that post at #218 and before I sent the last one at #219, which shows Perp #2 at a foliaged wall that looks like it is at the victim scene but, even so, I still think there might be discrepancies. Anyway, here's a print of it for the comparison record: Yes, it shows the shooting of both perps and I counted a total of 8 shots, which is the number I've seen reported somewhere about it. The only thing I can say about the shootout with a degree of surety is that I don't think at this point that either of the perps were shot by the female officer because it did look to me like she was holding a taser in the video and not a gun, as was reported at the mirror.uk source. It looked to me also like there were two [uniformed] male officers with her that shot them, which was reported too at the mirror.uk source. I suspect that the first two shots which took down Perp #1 were fired by an undercover officer because of the white shoe seen on whoever stepped out of the police vehicle in the back on the passenger side at that time. Am willing to consider other sources but don't currently think that the two males interviewed and the rapper/tweeter in the opening post are credible as witnesses. Edit to add: I do still believe this is likely a staged Op. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Check out this vid @ app 12-14 seconds. It appears the female officer punches out her right gun hand and fires.
"The black guy ran at them with a meat cleaver before it stopped and he was right by the car when they shot him," said Julia Wilders, 51, who lives close by. The second man, who had a gun, was also shot, she said
The right hand shot shows the soldier from a Northern view and the two perps down in the background. I think you might be right about that, JT. Still leaves the problem of no blood and a plethora of other anomalies already mentioned. I guess they faked being shot. It's done in movies all the time. Have you ever seen cops rush to a shot perp and proceed to immediately cut his shirt and pants up with scissors before handcuffing him or anything? I haven't. I mean, seriously. Hahahaha. Have you ever seen cops in fluorescent vests show up and first thing they do is run to anyone with a camera and start yelling at them to get out of there? Very odd behaviour. Usually they go after the perps first, not the camera guys. This one is too obvious. Hacks a man to death, has a chat with passers-by...
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lmao
Is that what happened?
I think so. (edit: he ran towards the car, dropped his knife(s) and ran past the car as he was supposedly shot, dove for the ground, faked twitching and had no blood on him until after the fluroescent "policemen" cut his shirt up... Wtf?... we have video evidence of all this happening.) Great clip - thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
these ones are wearing blue uniforms, guns, handcuffs, but they're using.... scissors? omg wtf? All of the following would have had to agree to enter into a criminal
conspiracy, a felony, for the benefit of advancing a story which has largely
fallen off the 24-hour news cycle: 1) The two perps As I said, when they knock down towers in Lower Manhattan,
I'm with you, but in this matter the degree of difficulty doesn't rate the risk.
...[on] the tinting issues of Perp #1's hands. Videos 1 and 3 particularly have much discussion and technicality about that at the Comments pages. This is to correct the link for the Comments section of Video 3 in the block of reference info above from Post #219 because the Edit option was unavailable. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That escalated quickly ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
Woolwich killing eyewitness Ike Onwukah describes attackers charging at police Read more on this story here: Says at 0:55 that Suspect #1 seemed like someone who had really lost it, then at 1:27 says both suspects were very calm. Says at 2:07 that when they charged towards the police, he had to lay low; didn't see a killing or how the car got to the spot where it was but saw the alleged body; saw two women - one sitting by the body and one standing talking to the suspect(s). Soldier Killed in London : Eyewitness tells machete attack 'They were chopping & cutting him' 'When the armed police came flying around the corner, the man with the beanie hat, the tall guy, he charged at the police vehicle,' he said. 'A shot was fired by the other guy with the gun.' [sic] 'There were police everywhere. There were 30 to 40 police officers. Police officers in each road were stopping people from walking anywhere. [sic] The incident occurred some 200 yards from the Royal Artillery Barracks. The barracks, also known as the Woolwich station, now houses a number of the King's Troop Royal Horse Artillery and independent companies of the Grenadier and Coldstream Guards. Woolwich Common remains a designated military training area. The shooting events at the 2012 Summer Olympics and Paralympics were held at a temporary venue at the Barracks. [More details in the Description section.] At 1:34, he says something about the car he got out of. Says that the suspect who went to the crashed car then pointed a gun at him and whoever he was with. Suspect with the gun shouted to get back in the car while waving his gun around. He then says something about a car [his own?] being moved up the road and that he called the police. Says at 2:44 that the armed police took 20 minutes to get there. He saw police in the road and in the vicinity before that but they weren't coming to the area. At 3:04, the interviewer asks him about other members of the public there. He says that there were only a few at first, not many, then traffic started to build up and people were getting out of their cars to shout at the suspects. Says attackers had the opportunity to hurt other people if they wanted to; that they were standing over the women and would have attacked someone else as well if they had the opportunity. People were filming with their phones. Says that the suspect wearing a hat went to a bus and asked people to take photos of him. Says the victim looked young, had a Help for Heroes T-shirt on - rumours he was a soldier. Suspects charged at the police that had arrived; 6 shots fired - a shot was fired by the other guy/suspect with a gun. Says he thinks that they were waiting for the police to be shot by them. Says he didn't see the car crash but saw the badly damaged car at the signpost. Describes a pool of blood going into the road and down the pavement. An air ambulance landed at/near the primary school and they tried to save the victim. He claimed that Woolwich has shootings and stabbings there all the time - people attacked for no reason. He can't believe that it took 20 minutes for the police to arrive to take these guys down Edited typos. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Grouping 3 Pics at Post #216 + 1 Pic at Post #221 for comparisons: Edited text in line 1. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Re: car crash photos at Post #236 YouTube Comments A and Comments B (multiple pages): "I want to see the whole story from cctv footage. im sure they have it seeing as their is cctv on almost every corner. something just doesnt make sense especially with the crashed car in the background next to the body." "...when he walks back over to his 'victim', AMAZINGLY I don't see the blood in front of the car. It's almost like it was placed there after the fact..." "... no blood in front of the car ... Blood sure does behave strangely on the streets of London..." "The damage to the car is far to exstensive to have been caused by hitting a person,,,the left rail and front bumper support are crushed in,,,,no way a persons legs could do that much damage" Edited a Comment typo for readability + YouTube linking. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
YouTube Comments A and Comments B (multiple pages): "... there is no blood on their shoes or sleeves." "... no bloody footprints anywhere? ..." "Why are there no bloody footprints of the 'killers' leading away from that 'blood-pool' on the sidewalk that is seen in the heli photo?" "How did the alleged attacker manage not to walk through this 'bunch of blood' and not leave bloody footprints all over the street." "...Two guys hacking off this guys head as he lays on the ground would have to have been standing very close to him. They would have blood all over their shoes and at the very least would be standing right in the blood pool smearing it around and they would have tracked it all around the immediate area that is seen in the heli photo and likely further." "I think at this point it is obvious that the blood visible from the heli cam, was added much later. The leaking radiator fluid is visible from every known camera angle, but not the blood..." "... so why would the police take this long to show up." "There were no bloody shoeprints at Boston bombing because it was a fake scene. "did YOU know their is a police station 2 streets away? 30 mins was to give the guy time to make a PROPAGANDA VIDEO" "He says, 'Tell them to bring OUR troops back'? Which group does he identify with?" "If he was a Muslim, he would have changed his first name to an Islamic one." "This guy is not Muslim his Christian name is Micheal" Edited YouTube linking + removed 1 comment. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Check out this vid @ app 12-14 seconds. It appears the female officer punches out her right gun hand and fires. I still think that the female officer has a taser there and not a gun. I'm guessing that what she was doing at that point was maybe zapping the guy in the road because he moved his legs close to the time that it looked like she was aiming her hand. Then, it looks to me like she dropped the taser onto the sidewalk and that's when she might have started moving to get to her gun but both suspects were down by then. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
"The black guy ran at them with a meat cleaver before it stopped and he was right by the car when they shot him," said Julia Wilders, 51, who lives close by. The second man, who had a gun, was also shot, she said I don't think that means that they all shot him, though. Would there be a conduct or unit safety issue if the policewoman wasn't among those in the scenario who used their gun? My best guess is that there were 4 LEOs in the vehicle, the female driver and two males in uniforms and one plainclothes officer in white shoes who got out on the back passenger side. Although there is some alleged witness testimony claiming that the suspect with a gun fired a shot, I think from viewing the videos that probably the first two shots fired took down Suspect #1 and that only the male LEOs were the shooters, other than the suspect with a gun who may have fired a shot early on. I could be wrong but think maybe that all 4 of those officers are shown in the bottom right photo at Post #236: Was an nteresting article that you posted above. I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it. Edited a typo. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
On scene media interviews are not investigations, which is what you’re trying to make of this. The reporter’s questions show an attempt to gather raw information, much of which will be refined during a later, formal investigation. There is no need for the media to develop a step wise timeline. Her only timeline is to rush to beat other reporters to their news deadlines. That her questions brings the witness back and forth thru different moments of the crime is par for the course.
If you, and others, can arrive at this conclusion, some 4,000 miles from the crime scene, aided only by Google, then I’m certain some bright minds in London, perhaps in the aggrieved Muslim community, will be able to blow this case sky high. Their lack of curiosity to what you see as the obvious must be troubling.
White Man being stabbed by two street-thugs doesn't rise to the level of a *False Flag Event!!*, there are no global outcomes, no greater purpose is served, nothing was changed except that the White Britons dim view of imported turd-world losers was confirmed. Not one person in their right mind believes that Lee Rigby was killed elsewhere (by who? when? why?) and dumped in the street in some elaborate Hollywood production. To persist in the 'false flag' fantasy is no more than swinging after the bell. There's nothing more to be said about the matter. The false-flaggers need to move forward and keep up with the rest of humanity or be left behind in a choking and putrid cloud of bitterness and insanity...... Assume for a moment that perp #1, upon being shot by the females "male colleague", didn't collapse and assume the fetal position as shooting victims do in Hollywood, but rather remained on his feet (not at all uncommon) thus allowing the males "female colleague" a chance to fire at him (as the boys described in the vid). This scenario satisfies their statement as well as the report in the mirror.co.uk.
Jethro Tull's Post #168 || beforeitsnews.com article: No Blood On Hands London Beheading Video Debunked! (Video) || linked Video 1: Blood on Hands then No Blood on Hands - London "Terrorist Beheading of British Soldier" 100% Hoax + Comments (2 Pages) || link for posted Video 2: "No Blood On Hands" London Beheading Video Debunked! + Comments || linked Video 3: UNSEEN - LONDON TERROR - URGENT MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC + Comments (2 Pages) || Video 4 linked in Video 3: UNCUT |18+| WOOLWICH ATTACK | SHOCKING VIDEO OF SHOOTING | HD + Comments
"I was unsure about this incident at first, thought it could have been genuine but surely if this incident was real then the government would issue a D notice in the interests of public safety and security and not have the 'crazed madman' saying his bit on mainstream TV 24/7 which is bound to stir up racial tensions (which of course they want) this fact alone makes it 100% false flag in my opinion, no legitimate government would stir up trouble unless it had other motives!"
#220. To: GreyLmist (#219)
#221. To: Jethro Tull, Esso (#220)
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Thanks for this, and for keeping an open mind regarding the crime scene photos. When someone enters these types of discussions with a set of preconceived positions, it's nearly impossible to open such a closed mind. If you look carefully at that 22 second mark, and beyond, the wall as a backdrop appears clearly and is the same color, up to and including the whitish cap stone on the top.
Regarding this post, does video #4 depict the shooting of perp #1, or #2, or do you know?
Previous witness statements indicate that each officer shot one perp each, and I see nothing offered now that changes that circumstance. I would leave open the possibility of both officers having shot the same perp, or both perps. This wouldn't be unusual at a shooting scene and it would again satisfy both the video witness account and that of the mirror.uk.
#222. To: GreyLmist (#221)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZVeg6xy8E
#223. To: GL (#222)
www.independent.co.uk/new...me/sickening-deluded-and- unforgivable-horrific-attack-brings-terror-to-londons-streets-8627647.htm
#224. To: Jethro Tull, GreyLmist, all (#186)
Post 177: the left hand photo shows the soldier down, looking @ him from a Southerly direction.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#225. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#221)
I do still believe this is likely a staged Op.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#226. To: FormerLurker (#0)
#227. To: irishthatcherite (#226)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#228. To: wudidiz (#225)
I guess they faked being shot. It's done in movies all the time.
#229. To: Jethro Tull (#228)
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"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#230. To: irishthatcherite (#226)
#231. To: JT, All (#229)
the fluroescent "policemen" cut his shirt up...
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#232. To: wudidiz (#229)
2) The person,
or people who approached them with the details of the "crime"
3) The
police officers
4) The responding EMTs
5) The video interviewer
6) Rigby’s family & friends
7) The hospital personnel
8) One or
more witnesses
#233. To: All (#219)
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...references for ease of access here:
Jethro Tull's Post #168 || beforeitsnews.com article: No Blood On Hands London Beheading Video Debunked! (Video) || linked Video 1: Blood on Hands then No Blood on Hands - London "Terrorist Beheading of British Soldier" 100% Hoax + Comments (2 Pages) || link for posted Video 2: "No Blood On Hands" London Beheading Video Debunked! + Comments || linked Video 3: UNSEEN - LONDON TERROR - URGENT MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC + Comments (2 Pages) || Video 4 linked in Video 3: UNCUT |18+| WOOLWICH ATTACK | SHOCKING VIDEO OF SHOOTING | HD + Comments
#234. To: irishthatcherite (#226)
This one is too obvious. Hacks a man to death, has a chat with passers-by...
#235. To: All (#180)
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Eyewitness Ike Onwukah describes the dramatic scenes in Woolwich following a murder in the street, as the two attackers waited at the scene and then charged the police car as it arrived.
http://www.channel4.com/news/bravery-... An eyewitness [sic] known only as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T- shirt in Woolwich, south-east London, [sic]
#236. To: All (#216)
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#237. To: All (#236)
(Edited)
#238. To: wudidiz (#225)
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I guess they faked being shot. It's done in movies all the time.
There were no bloody shoeprints at London beheading because it was a fake scene."
#239. To: Jethro Tull (#222)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZVeg6xy8E
#240. To: Jethro Tull (#223)
(Edited)
www.independent.co.uk/new...me/sickening-deluded-and- unforgivable-horrific-attack-brings-terror-to-londons-streets-8627647.htm
#241. To: GreyLmist (#235)
#242. To: GreyLmist (#240)
I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it.
#243. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#242)
I suspect that the Khan character and company could have been one of those fake Al Qaeda productions to promote war and expansion of it.
-Alex Kurtagic
#244. To: X-15 (#243)
Amen to common sense.
#245. To: Jethro Tull, X-15 (#244) (Edited)
There's nothing sensible about that at all. Unless you ask the ptb. They'd tell you it's sensible. That's what they want. They want you to forget about it. That's what you're giving them. To persist in the 'false flag' fantasy is no more than swinging after the bell. There's nothing more to be said about the matter. The false- flaggers need to move forward and keep up with the rest of humanity or be left behind in a choking and putrid cloud of bitterness and insanity......
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#246. To: wudidiz, X-15 (#245)
Unless you ask the ptb. They'd tell you it's sensible. That's what they want. They want you to forget about it. That's what you're giving them. It appears that Britain's 2.5 million Muzzies are down with this crime being normal TNB. How is it that they are both the victims and the deceived? Do they not see what you and some others find obvious? “They have done a cowardly, barbaric act,” said Imam Ajmal Masroor of the Islamic Society of Britain. “They have insulted God and Islam. They are low vile scum. We, the British, will remain together resolute and strong.” A statement from the Muslim Council of Britain condemned the slaughter of the soldier by two men – both believed to be Christian converts to Islam – as “a barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and which we condemn unreservedly.”There's nothing sensible about that at all.
#247. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#246)
How (why) did western nations think it a swell idea to let muzzies into the country? And why don't we tell'em to go back home?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#248. To: Jethro Tull (#246)
It appears that Britain's 2.5 million Muzzies are down with this crime being normal TNB. Misread. It's a few select appointed "leaders" that "reacted with horror and anger", not the 2.5 million muslims. HERE
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#249. To: Jethro Tull (#242)
There is no lack of curiousity. If you, and others, can arrive at this conclusion, some 4,000 miles from the crime scene, aided only by Google, then I’m certain some bright minds in London, perhaps in the aggrieved Muslim community, will be able to blow this case sky high. Their lack of curiosity to what you see as the obvious must be troubling.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#250. To: Jethro Tull (#232) (Edited)
1) The two perps 2) The person, or people who approached them with the details of the "crime" 3) The police officers 4) The responding EMTs 5) The video interviewer 6) Rigby’s family & friends 7) The hospital personnel 8) One or more witnesses As I said, when they knock down towers in Lower Manhattan, I'm with you, but in this matter the degree of difficulty doesn't rate the risk. Yes, maybe, but none of that changes anything about the anomalies already presented. It just simply doesn't. Edit to add: the idea is not so difficult to envision if you see that some of those witnesses/conspirators are part of a production company and/or a conspiracy of silence. Also, if anyone wants to challenge this as in fighting it in the courts, most if not all of the judges and magistrates in Britain are high ranking masons. It's a conspiracy. All of the following would have had to agree to enter into a criminal conspiracy, a felony, for the benefit of advancing a story which has largely fallen off the 24-hour news cycle:
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#251. To: Lod (#247)
The answer to your question is the internationalist Jew. Professor MacDonald (the bottom 'tube) is someone I consider to be an expert on immigration. Both tubes are excellent.
#252. To: wudidiz (#250)
Why not bundle your theory up and present it to the British Muzzies? They aren't buying it presently, and keeping your investigation to the few people on this board will do nothing to advance your cause. The dog ain't hunting.
#253. To: wudidiz (#248)
Can you point to one British Muslim who ascribes to your theory? It's a few select appointed "leaders" that "reacted with horror and anger", not the 2.5 million muslims.
#254. To: Jethro Tull (#251)
Thanks! both were outstanding - the passion of the first was tremendous, and Dr. McDonald is so sharp on so many subjects.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#255. To: Lod (#254)
The first dude is fantastic. That is a man, and his brand of nationalism is a tonic for all that ails US.
#256. To: Jethro Tull (#241)
WTF? Why bother to use refined truth when we can use synthetic truth? isn't that a better blend for for the blase? But no I feel you JT, Maybe you could tell us how the "truth in the raw"is "refined" since you know so much about it. IS it put into a cyclytron and spun and so many revolutions a minute? Is it put into a beaker and boiled into hot air? How is the "refined" truth any superior to "synthetic" truth? And why do you think their is no need for the media to do it's job? OR even how? Do you know how to do a news reporters job from your one summer working at a TV News station? How do you have any idea what is par for the course? n scene media interviews are not investigations, which is what you’re trying to make of this. The reporter’s questions show an attempt to gather raw information, much of which will be refined during a later, formal investigation. There is no need for the media to develop a step wise timeline. Her only timeline is to rush to beat other reporters to their news deadlines. That her questions brings the witness back and forth thru different moments of the crime is par for the course.
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#257. To: X-15 (#243)
Then why elevate it to a state of national terrorism for the UK? And why the red tint on the hands? Or the no blood from the chest wounds? Can we get more medical people up in this thread that can explain chest wounds and blood loss to the ignorant. This isn't rocket science, it's basic biology. IF you know anything about medicine please speak to it. Have any degrees or certificates, now is the time to brag on it. White Man being stabbed by two street-thugs doesn't rise to the level of a *False Flag Event!!*
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#258. To: titorite (#257)
The only mammals that I've ever taken out with a vehicle are rabbit and squirrel, but I will say that there was a noticeable amount of their blood left on the squish scenes. The only mammals that I've ever beheaded are chicken, dove, and quail, and yes, there was noticeable blood flow in all those events; although there was much more with the fowl (chicken) that were alive when beheaded. There's a real reason for the saying, 'running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.'
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
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