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Title: Bye-Bye 5th Amendment! Supreme Court Decides: Anything You Don’t Say Can and Will Be Used Against You
Source: The Organic Prepper
URL Source: http://lewrockwell.com/luther/luther38.1.html
Published: Jun 20, 2013
Author: Daisy Luther
Post Date: 2013-06-20 07:24:33 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 615
Comments: 25

Everyone knows that when building a police state, it’s vital to strike a few Constitutional rights off the books. Now, we can add the right to remain silent to the graveyard of the American justice system. How can you expect the people to be properly subjugated with all those pesky freedoms that the Bill of Rights blathers on about?

The would-be totalitarians can chalk up another victory, because the Supreme Court has made the decision that if you opt to remain silent, that silence can (and will) be used against you in a court of law.

The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution guarantees our right against self- incrimination.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The Supreme Court said that unless a person specifically asks for their Fifth Amendment right to remain silence, that your silence can be used as an indication of guilt. The case was brought to court on the basis of an unconstitutional prosecution against Genovevo Salinas. Justice Alito, who has a history of excusing the most disturbing abuses in favor of the government, said,“[Salinas'] Fifth Amendment claim fails because he did not expressly invoke the privilege against self-incrimination in response to the officer’s question. It has long been settled that the privilege `generally is not self-executing’ and that a witness who desires its protection `must claim it.’”

So, the advice to sit there and keep your mouth shut, should you be unfortunate enough to have been accused of committing a crime, is no longer the best option. If the police fail to read you your Miranda warning, you must explicitly say that you are claiming your Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate yourself. In stating that, aren’t you, in fact, letting the police know that a crime, has indeed been committed by you? The right to remain silent is supposed to mean just that – you can refuse to answer questions and your silence will not be used against you.

Justice Breyer said, in his dissent:

“The need to categorize Salinas’ silence as based on the Fifth Amendment is supported here by the presence, in full force, of the predicament I discussed earlier, namely that of not forcing Salinas to choose between incrimination through speech and incrimination through silence. That need is also supported by the absence of any special reason that the police had to know, with certainty, whether Salinas was, in fact, relying on the Fifth Amendment – such as whether to doubt that there really was a risk of self-incrimination, see Hoffman v. United States, 341 U. S. 479, 486 (1951), or whether to grant immunity, see Kastigar, 406 U. S., at 448. Given these circumstances, Salinas’ silence was “sufficient to put the [government] on notice of an apparent claim of the privilege.” Quinn, supra, at 164. That being so, for reasons similar to those given in Griffin, the Fifth Amendment bars the evidence of silence admitted against Salinas and mentioned by the prosecutor.”

In 2001, Ohio vs. Reiner, the Supreme Court ruled that “a witness may have a reasonable fear of prosecution and yet be innocent of any wrongdoing. The privilege serves to protect the innocent who otherwise might be ensnared by ambiguous circumstances.”

Apparently they have changed their minds.

As Justice Breyer said, you must now choose whether to incriminate yourself through speech and incriminate yourself through silence. I wasn’t there when they wrote it, but I really don’t think that “devil and the deep blue sea” decision is what the authors of the Fifth Amendment had in mind.

The “Supreme Court” is a joke.

Yesterday it was announced that they struck down the need to prove your citizenship in order to vote in the United States – all you have to do is say you’re an American, and then “poof – here’s a ballot!” They have decided again and again in favor of huge, evil corporations like Monsanto. They have decided in favor of Obamacare. The conflicts of interest within the Supreme Court, large corporations, the banking industry, and the government are so blatant that they don’t even bother to defend themselves against accusations of such.

The checks and balances designed to be in place with the three branches of power are all leaning to one side – there is no balance. We are collapsing into a police state, and the Judicial branch has just tipped us even further into that deep hole. It would be difficult to argue that this destruction of our freedom is not deliberate.

The Justices of the highest court in the land don their robes, they hear these cases, and they destroy the Constitution, amendment by amendment.

Reprinted with permission from The Organic Prepper.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

The decision set forth the particular fact situation of the case: The suspect was very talkative ... until certain questions were asked and those he dummied up on. Held that the jury could be told of this uncharacteristic behavior regarding those questions.

Not contrary to the Fifth Amendment.

Shoonra  posted on  2013-06-20   7:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

Justice Alito, who has a history of excusing the most disturbing abuses in favor of the government, said,“[Salinas'] Fifth Amendment claim fails because he did not expressly invoke the privilege against self-incrimination in response to the officer’s question. It has long been settled that the privilege `generally is not self-executing’ and that a witness who desires its protection `must claim it.’”

Another idiot who thinks of RIGHTS as "privileges." Dumb efs. Still, if one must tell a cop that he (or she) would rather not answer their question(s) they could say something like "I respectfully decline to answer your questions based on my right to remain silent which is, or is supposed to be, protected by the fifth amendment." And then say no more.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-06-20   10:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada, *libertarians*, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0)

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freepatriot32  posted on  2013-06-21   2:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: James Deffenbach, All (#2) (Edited)

Justice Alito, who has a history of excusing the most disturbing abuses in favor of the government, said,“[Salinas'] Fifth Amendment claim fails because he did not expressly invoke the privilege against self-incrimination in response to the officer’s question. It has long been settled that the privilege `generally is not self-executing’ and that a witness who desires its protection `must claim it.’”

Another idiot who thinks of RIGHTS as "privileges."

Supreme Court Rules That Pre-Miranda Silence Can Be Used In Court

since he wasn't under arrest and wasn't compelled to speak, his silence on the incriminating question doesn't get constitutional protection.

his first trial ended in a mistrial.

This is also a case of Double Jeopardy contrary to the 5th Amendment but the courts seem to think they can just make up their own rules and re-write the Constitution as they do that. Wrong. Even a witness in a trial who isn't under arrest has the 5th Amendment right to refuse to answer questions/be a witness against themselves. The police were investigating a criminal case and that right is the same whether someone is under arrest or not. It doesn't vanish if someone not arrested for anything was talking to the police and then decided to stop or even if they were under arrest. Weirdly, only the Left- leaning SCOTUS robes upheld the Constitution on this: Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Kagan. Alito, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas and Scalia didn't and I don't think it's because they can't read or really comprehend the 5th Amendment. They all seem to deliberately go against the Constitution on whim so they should all be dismissed for bad behavior. Apparently, America has no Supreme Court that will reliably uphold the Constitution. Instead, it goes out of its way to be negligent in that duty, even on something like this that should be simply understood. Declaring a right a "privilege" is beyond negligence. It's incompetence or like an intended torpedoing of the Constitution.

Edited for spacing and sentence 3.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-21   4:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#4) (Edited)

Declaring a right a "privilege" is beyond negligence. It's incompetence or like an intended torpedoing of the Constitution.

Rights aren't altered to the status of "privileges" if not invoked. Rights are rights at all times. People shouldn't be confused about that just because Alito et al. think they can be altered by not invoking them; nor should anyone be confused about that by our rights being violated.

Edited 1st and last sentences to clarify.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-21   5:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ada, ALL HYPOCRITES (#0)

The Justices of the highest court in the land don their robes, they hear these cases, and they destroy the Constitution, amendment by amendment.

This is bullshit. The CON-sti-STUPID was destroyed by the banksters and their international counterfeiting institutions. Of course the banker scumbags didn't advertise their takeover on ABC or in the JEW YORK TIMES or any other ASHKENAZI media outlet - no, they have bought, bribed and blackmailed ALL of your favorite "representatives" (hahahahaha) in order to incrementally introduce you fucking VOTER morons to totalitarian enslavement.

The CON-STI-STUPID is a figment of your patriotic imagination. You and I have been programmed from childhood to believe in the John Wayne style of patriotism while most people today are too soft in the spine, the heart and the head to stand up and do what's right.

What's right ? 1st and foremost - the banks and bankers have destroyed liberty and justice in America - so they need to be eliminated. Period. The phrase "with liberty and justice for ALL" is a pitiful and meaningless phrase today and a magnifier of our SHAME.

Most of the time the articles posted and the responding posts blame some nebulous entity for our woes. The Jews, the Judges, the political hacks, the bankers, etc., are being blamed when the truth is this: WE ARE THE GUILTY. WE'RE SO WEAK WE CAN"T EVEN QUIT USING THEIR SATANIC FINANCIAL SYSTEM.

The hell that's coming is being financed by YOU. Don't blame others until you first search your own heart and ask if you couldn't quit being a FED.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-06-21   5:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#6) (Edited)

Constitutionalists have no representative government currently. We have no real Justice system. We have no sound monetary or economic systems. We have the Constitution, they don't. Now what besides blame ourselves for their destruction?

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-21   6:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GreyLmist (#4)

They all seem to deliberately go against the Constitution on whim so they should all be dismissed for bad behavior.

At the very least. I would think that lawyers who have graduated to the cult of the black robe should know better than to call rights "privileges" and besides being removed from office should go to prison for malfeasance and treason.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-06-21   9:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GreyLmist (#7)

We have the Constitution, they don't.

Neither of you have it - only they're adamant about it !

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-06-21   18:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: James Deffenbach (#8)

besides being removed from office should go to prison for malfeasance and treason.

Think we could shoot em a couple of times first ?

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-06-21   18:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#10)

Yeah, and a good time would be had by all--well, not so much by those getting shot but we wouldn't worry about them.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-06-21   19:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#9)

Neither of you have it - only they're adamant about it !

Every Constitutionalist has the Constitution on their side. What do you think we should do next? We could multi-task: start special elections to replace the frauds and start our own Economic system.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-21   20:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: noone222 (#6)

WE ARE THE GUILTY. WE'RE SO WEAK WE CAN"T EVEN QUIT USING THEIR SATANIC FINANCIAL SYSTEM.

The hell that's coming is being financed by YOU. Don't blame others until you first search your own heart and ask if you couldn't quit being a FED.

yep. i know you are correct. however, in my own defense (or excuse), and, as you know, my husband and i went that route for 6.5 yrs. had we not waved the white flag, we'd have ended up like Ed and Elaine Brown. we would have lost everything.

i'm not willing to do that again unless it gets to the point where there are so many millions resisting at the same time that it would be impossible for them to target us individually.

christine  posted on  2013-06-21   21:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#13)

i'm not willing to do that again unless it gets to the point where there are so many millions resisting at the same time that it would be impossible for them to target us individually.

It's a war and more. I know what you're saying too. Many of us have taken a hit trying to restore order and decency to the country.

Many are awakening and hopefully enough will to make a difference.

It's beyond my comprehension that we haven't exploded already. The government is sooooo totally out of control I can't believe there hasn't been a tax revolt.

But, that subject is never even mentioned on talk radio.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-06-21   21:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GreyLmist (#12)

Every Constitutionalist has the Constitution on their side. What do you think we should do next?

Look, I know that we (all) would like to live in a real Constitutional Republic. But here's the rub. There's a thing called "choice of law" and we have chosen (by our own voluntary actions) Law Merchant/Maritime Law in lieu of the common law (Constitutional Law). We didn't actually do it with full knowledge of what was happening, I admit that much. We inherited it. The point is that we are here now and if we're not content to live with the "shit" this government is doing we are the only ones that can stop it. And we can't stop it by maintaining the status quo.

We cannot have a Constitutional Republic and operate our lives using commercial paper. It's that simple.

But to answer your question about what I think we should do first, I think we should take a real hard look at ourselves and forget all of the bullshit we've been programmed to believe and deal in strict realities, avoiding all frauds.

We should never have dealings with any legal fiction because that's all fraud. Corporations and governments are simply things others have invented to minimize liability and maximize opportunism. We should accept liability for our own actions.

Things will heat up at some point and we'll see some real brutality and wish we'd have had a massive tax revolt or some form of demonstration to put the fear back into the hearts and minds of the public "servants" - where it belongs.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-06-21   22:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: noone222 (#15)

To have an economy free of their money-scams, I think we are going to have to establish some things by teamwork like a Patriot workforce and a Patriot marketplace that actually uses Patriot alt-currency.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-02   10:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GreyLmist (#16)

We should certainly work towards that objective and even try to swing a State (like Texas) away from the FEDERAL SCAM and start using real money.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-07-02   13:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: GreyLmist, noone222 (#16) (Edited)

To have an economy free of their money-scams, I think we are going to have to establish some things by teamwork like a Patriot workforce and a Patriot marketplace that actually uses Patriot alt-currency.

Actully just to be sure, we are at the precipice of industrial change. Plastic guns that can fire over 600 rounds can now be printed... what that means is things like internal combustion engines can be printed, cheap housing can be produced, Own your own drone, print your own solar panels, the 3D printed can make anything...in super hard plastic or with low temp melt metals and it is affordable to all.

Through out history it has been the industrial revolutions that have spearheaded the societal changes. The digital age has put us all into contact with each other... that we might put forth our best ideas to us all.... This breaks the old status quo and sends waves of fear into the ruling classes.... that we the common folk might have equal footing with them, equal opportunity to prosper and advance. That 3d printer is coming into its own. This new world is not being built for a new world order. The old idea is old and out dated. This new world is being built by me and my son and all us here that can dive into this new internet age with love and respect for our fellow man.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-07-02   16:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: titorite, 4 (#18)

This new world is being built by me and my son and all us here that can dive into this new internet age with love and respect for our fellow man.

That is the hope and dream of most here.

Great good luck with it, friend.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-07-02   17:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: titorite (#18)

There was an article on grist.com 's newsletter today about a company that's printing animal parts - they just printed a replacement foot for a duck.

Check it out.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-07-02   17:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lod (#20)

No doubt. It gives new meaning to the idea of your thoughts becoming reality.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-07-02   17:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: noone222, titorite, Lod, 4 (#17) (Edited)

Me: To have an economy free of their money-scams, I think we are going to have to establish some things by teamwork like a Patriot workforce and a Patriot marketplace that actually uses Patriot alt-currency.

noone222: We should certainly work towards that objective and even try to swing a State (like Texas) away from the FEDERAL SCAM and start using real money.

Yes, and that's a grand idea for a State swing in that direction to begin there, since it's such a territorial heavyweight. Please do start leading the way for us on this, Texas, ASAP.

On the issue of real money, we haven't much gold and silver available among us presently. Would any other uniform representation of our economic contributions be acceptable in your view as alt-currency?

Edited sentence 1 and spacing.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-02   22:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ada (#0)

Yesterday it was announced that they struck down the need to prove your citizenship in order to vote in the United States – all you have to do is say you’re an American, and then “poof – here’s a ballot!”...The checks and balances designed to be in place with the three branches of power are all leaning to one side – there is no balance. We are collapsing into a police state, and the Judicial branch has just tipped us even further into that deep hole. It would be difficult to argue that this destruction of our freedom is not deliberate.

A long, long time ago... I can still remember How that music used to make me smile. And I knew if I had my chance That I could make those people dance And, maybe, they'd be happy for a while.

But february made me shiver With every paper I'd deliver. Bad news on the doorstep; I couldn't take one more step.

I can't remember if I cried When I read about his widowed bride, But something touched me deep inside The day the music died.

So bye-bye, miss american pie. Drove my chevy to the levee, But the levee was dry. And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye Singin', "this'll be the day that I die. "this'll be the day that I die."

Did you write the book of love, And do you have faith in God above, If the Bible tells you so? Do you believe in rock 'n roll, Can music save your mortal soul,And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that you're in love with him `cause I saw you dancin' in the gym. You both kicked off your shoes. Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.

I was a lonely teenage broncin' buck With a pink carnation and a pickup truck, But I knew I was out of luck The day the music died.

I started singin', "bye-bye, miss american pie." Drove my chevy to the levee, But the levee was dry. Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye And singin', "this'll be the day that I die. "this'll be the day that I die."

Now for ten years we've been on our own And moss grows fat on a rollin' stone, But that's not how it used to be. When the jester sang for the king and queen, In a coat he borrowed from james dean And a voice that came from you and me,

Oh, and while the king was looking down, The jester stole his thorny crown. The courtroom was adjourned; No verdict was returned. And while lennon read a book of marx, The quartet practiced in the park, And we sang dirges in the dark The day the music died.

We were singing, "bye-bye, miss american pie." Drove my chevy to the levee, But the levee was dry. Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye And singin', "this'll be the day that I die. "this'll be the day that I die."

Helter skelter in a summer swelter. The birds flew off with a fallout shelter, Eight miles high and falling fast. It landed foul on the grass. The players tried for a forward pass, With the jester on the sidelines in a cast.

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume While the sergeants played a marching tune. We all got up to dance, Oh, but we never got the chance! `cause the players tried to take the field; The marching band refused to yield. Do you recall what was revealed The day the music died?

We started singing, "bye-bye, miss american pie." Drove my chevy to the levee, But the levee was dry. Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye And singin', "this'll be the day that I die. "this'll be the day that I die."

Oh, and there we were all in one place, A generation lost in space With no time left to start again. So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick! Jack flash sat on a candlestick Cause fire is the devil's only friend.

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage My hands were clenched in fists of rage. No angel born in hell Could break that satan's spell. And as the flames climbed high into the night To light the sacrificial rite, I saw satan laughing with delight The day the music died

He was singing, "bye-bye, miss american pie." Drove my chevy to the levee, But the levee was dry. Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye And singin', "this'll be the day that I die. "this'll be the day that I die."

I met a girl who sang the blues And I asked her for some happy news, But she just smiled and turned away. I went down to the sacred store Where I'd heard the music years before, But the man there said the music wouldn't play.

And in the streets: the children screamed, The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed. But not a word was spoken; The church bells all were broken. And the three men I admire most: The father, son, and the holy ghost, They caught the last train for the coast The day the music died.

And they were singing, "bye-bye, miss american pie." Drove my chevy to the levee, But the levee was dry. And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye Singin', "this'll be the day that I die. "this'll be the day that I die."

They were singing, "bye-bye, miss american pie." Drove my chevy to the levee, But the levee was dry. Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye Singin', "this'll be the day that I die."

scrapper2  posted on  2013-07-03   4:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: GreyLmist (#22)

Any means of attaining equal weights and measures would suffice. The Constitution could be changed to support - copper or corn for that matter.

In the end we need to produce items / products that the world wants to buy, that's what I think it takes to make an economy. They'll find a way to purchase the products that they want or need regardless of what it is we use for a medium of exchange.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-07-03   8:14:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: noone222 (#24)

Any means of attaining equal weights and measures would suffice. The Constitution could be changed to support - copper or corn for that matter.

In the end we need to produce items / products that the world wants to buy, that's what I think it takes to make an economy. They'll find a way to purchase the products that they want or need regardless of what it is we use for a medium of exchange.

I'd like to have two different economies -- one that is just American so that our market and prosperity doesn't depend on world trade competitions with much more populous nations like China and India or underdeveloped nations with lower pay scales. I think we can provide almost all that is needed here ourselves without much, if any, importing. Surplus for export is more like a side issue, imo, that could cause additional pollution and deplete our national resources for the extra-benefit of some privileged globalists rather than American society in general -- much the same as the detrimental situation is now for the majority of lower income citizens. Also, I think We the People could set our own standards of equal weights and measures, since only the States are prohibited Constitutionally from making anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of their debt purposes.

Reference post for consideration of a State-level option to possibly stabilize gold and silver valuations for their use and ours.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-12   18:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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