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Title: Exposing Adam Kokesh AND making some fine pancakes while doing it.
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Published: Jun 29, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-06-29 09:51:50 by PSUSA2
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#1. To: PSUSA2 (#0)

Adam Charles Kokesh is an American libertarian anti-war activist, podcaster, and anarcho-capitalist.

Well, ya, he's a lunatic.

Oh, I see from wiki he's Jewish, which I suspected from his rat-like face. My jewdar is improving.

TotalFascism has it right:

Adam Kokesh is simply fulfilling his genetic program by promoting this divisive, pointless and childish doctrine of anarchism to the masses of basement dwelling potheads. He is also able to embrace his biological hatred for actual work by getting stoned and rambling incoherently while asking for donations and hocking “precious” metals and various other snake oil scams. Once again, it is silly to consider what sort of a thing is going through the mind of a Jew. He might believe that he believes this. I certainly do not think his stupidity is faked.

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2013-06-29   10:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He might believe that he believes this. I certainly do not think his stupidity is faked.

He's not stupid. He just has a little group of followers in his personality cult that he can manipulate for his own ends, and maybe for the PTBs ends. He's a mini-me to Alex Jones's Dr Evil.

What anarchists fail to understand is that some government is necessary. But how to keep the psychopaths out?

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   10:40:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't know if it's necessary, but I think it's inevitable, kind of a law of nature.

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2013-06-29   13:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What anarchists fail to understand is that some government is necessary.

The failure is your in understanding what exactly an anarchist is.

Not that this is a defense of Kokesh, just a condemnation of your ignorance of what makes an anarchist.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-29   17:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WTF PSUSA? Bob Powell strikes me a reject from DARE Special Forces. Kind of reminds me of the mall narc that wanted to know if I could hep him up to a couple boxcars.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   17:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

your ignorance of what makes an anarchist.

Definition of ANARCHIST 1 : a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power 2 : a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchist

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Now some define themselves as anarchist by adding a modifier to the word, perhaps because it's the edgy thing to do and they want to seem more intellectual and therefore cool, and it helps with who to invite for their circle-jerks by keeping The Others out, but my definition is correct, like it or not.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   17:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'd drink a beer or 3 with him. But not with pancakes.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   17:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

but my definition is correct, like it or not.

Whatever petty tyrant. You may only be king of yourself and regardless of that, if your ignorance brings you bliss then so be it. Enlightenment ain't for everyone.

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-29   17:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Definition of ANARCHIST 1 : a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power 2 : a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order

So everyone is an anarchist? Cool!

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   17:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So everyone is an anarchist? Cool!

In theory... yeah,

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-29   17:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's the problem with theories and facts, they don't hold up in court.

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   18:01:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Definition of ANARCHIST 1 : a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power

Isn't it possible to rebel against authority in the cause of established order?

Do you have an approved pejorative handy to dismiss such activity?

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   18:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I just hate to see alleged patriots get into pissing contests; I can't participate, having no direct knowledge of the facts, motivation, etc of the situation or the individuals.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-06-29   18:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm neutral on Kokesh, mostly anyway.

Just couldn't help tearing apart idea that an anarchist is anyone who rebels against authority, established order, or ruling power. It's a ludicrously stilted definition, and I spoke my piece.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   18:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Agree.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-06-29   18:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Isn't it possible to rebel against authority in the cause of established order?

Limited government vs no government.

We have a right to rebel. But our founders weren't anarchists.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   18:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Limited government vs no government.

We have a right to rebel. But our founders weren't anarchists.

But that's not the argument these days, it's limited government vs total government, with the limited govt side being casts as kooks, scofflaws, and terrorists. If you want, I can find recent link that says 26% of Obama supporters think tea party is bigger terrorist threat than radical Islamists.

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   19:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But our founders weren't anarchists.

I'm sure George William Frederick of Hanover would heartily disagree.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   19:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So everyone is an anarchist? Cool!

Rebels, that believe .gov has overextended itself.

But you do have a point. It is a limited definition given. But suppose the established order is overthrown. What becomes of the anarchists?

here's a better one dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchist

1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism. 2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed. 3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   19:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dissembling, qualifying, backtracking...

Thanks for the laugh.

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   19:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

, I can find recent link that says 26% of Obama supporters think tea party is bigger terrorist threat than radical Islamists.

And I can show you that about 70% believe jesus saves them from their sins and the devil is to blame for the bad things because he convinced Eve to eat some fruit.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   19:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dissembling, qualifying, backtracking...

Show me where

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   19:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dissembling, qualifying, backtracking...

Show me where

Was referring to video at top of thread, Bobby used at least two of those terms.

Backtracking was probably just me gratuitously piling on to this train-wreck.

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   19:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And I can show you that about 70% believe jesus saves them from their sins and the devil is to blame for the bad things because he convinced Eve to eat some fruit.

And that bothers you because...?

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   19:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It doesn't bother me at all. You're the one that brought up the TP numbers, not me. But people believe strange things because it's in a book or in the newspaper or in a political forum or some VIP said it or because they were raised that way. That doesn't make them right. It just makes them sincere.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   19:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But people believe strange things because it's in a book or in the newspaper or in a political forum or some VIP said it or because they were raised that way. That doesn't make them right.

Yeah, like those idiots who think opposing authority = anarchy. What a bunch of dolts.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   19:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, it's stupid. Rebels =/= anarchists.

Anarchists are happy with destroying the old. But something has to replace the old. They don't concern themselves with that.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   19:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You just proved everyone is an anarchist, it's documented. Are you wanting to chain yourself in a cell? It's kinky, but I won't try to talk you out of it, but I will vote against any law that indulges you with my tax dollar.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   19:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You just proved everyone is an anarchist, it's documented

I "proved" no such thing. Documented where?

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   19:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Documented where?

When you put forward the proposition that opposition to authority = anarchy, silly.

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   19:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you put forward the proposition that opposition to authority = anarchy

I said it (opposition) was rebellion, not anarchy.

2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.

That's more accurate than what the first definition stated *which btw wasn't my definition. If I made any mistake, it was in choosing a weak dictionary definition, initially. Under those terms of the 1st definition I posted, a voter could be an anarchist.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   20:08:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I love you too, Miss Marple.

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   20:10:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's even more obscure than neo-anarcho-capitalism.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-29   20:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's even more obscure than neo-anarcho-capitalism.

It was either that or Morris Day and The Time.

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Dakmar  posted on  2013-06-29   20:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Definition of ANARCHIST 1 : a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power 2 : a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order

You are relying on a very narrow and biased definition of the term.

Anarchists believe that initiation or threatening of violence against a person or legitimately-owned property of another is wrong.

And before you disagree, you should realize that black-clad protesters in Seattle breaking windows or those protesting globalism by throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails are not true anarchists.

Nearly every case of violence and mayhem at these protests can be laid on the shoulders of fed.gov agents provocateur.

What Is Anarchy?

To those challenged by complexity — such as radio talk show hosts and cable-TV "newscasters" who are convinced that all political opinions can be confined to the categories of "liberal" and "conservative" — the word anarchy evokes an unfocused fear of uncertain forces.

Images of bomb-throwing thugs who smash and burn the property of others are routinely conjured up by politicians and the media to frighten people into an extension of police authority over their lives. "Disorder" and "lawless confusion" are common dictionary definitions of this word.

That there have been some, calling themselves "anarchists," who have engaged in violence on behalf of their political ambitions, is not to be denied. Nor can we overlook the provocateuring occasionally engaged in by undercover policemen — operating under the guise of "anarchists" — to justify harsh reprisals against political protests.

But to condemn a philosophic viewpoint because a few wish to corrupt its meaning for their narrow advantage is no more justifiable than condemning Christianity because a man murders his family and defends his acts on the grounds "God told me to do it!"

Are there murderers, kidnappers, rapists, and arsonists in our world? Of course there are, and there will always be, and they do not all work for the state.

It is amazing that, with all the powers and money conferred upon the state to "protect" us from such threats, they continue to occur with a regularity that seems to have increased with the size of government!

Because of the disingenuous manner in which this word has been employed, I endeavor to be as precise in my use of the term as possible. I employ the word "anarchy" not as a noun, but as a verb. I envision no utopian community, no "Galt's Gulch" to which free men and women can repair.

I prefer to think of anarchy as a way in which people deal with one another in a peaceful, cooperative manner; respectful of the inviolability of each other's lives and property interests; resorting to contract and voluntary transactions rather than coercion and expropriation as a way of functioning in society.

Peaceful Anarchy: Imagine A Society Without the State

Anarchy in its purest form is based on peaceful behavior and voluntaryism in a stateless society, while government is based on aggression, theft, force, and deceit. These two systems are completely opposite.

The only moral social system worth having has to adhere to the ideas of non-aggression, private property, free and voluntary exchange, and self-responsibility. This ideology is based entirely on the individual as sovereign.

A political order where the individual is not sovereign, such as what we have now in this country, is the type of system that eventually leads to tyranny and serfdom. We are already far along in that process.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2013-06-29   21:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I, on the other hand, am a Minarchist or Jeffersonian - whichever you prefer. Government is one of those necessary evils which is useful for some things, but only when kept under very firmly restrained power and authority. As I am wont to say, "Courts, Coinage, and Defense and No More" - PERIOD.

The problem with a lot of theories on government is that they operate from a false premise i.e., that people know their best interests always, and will always act in furtherance of their best interests. I think Milton Friedman had the best argument against that false premise when he wrote "Capitalism and Freedom". That is that a small interest group with clearly defined personal interests will always be more effective at swaying government than the vast majority of people who have no specific interest in whatever the situation may be.

As an example take Farm Subsidies. They are arguably distortions in the economy and inevitably go not to those essential areas of agriculture that may need propping up but to those who have the best lobbyists and the greatest ability to bribe politicians. Witness the support of Monsanto and chemically intensive monoculture which benefits primarily only large operations. Supports are not given to those areas which may need them, temporarily, but to those with the most political influence. And it extends further than that in that regulatory bureaucracies are in turn dominated by the same interests and their regulation and public pronouncements are tailored not for the welfare of the majority but for those dominant interests.

However, Human Societies tend to generate "self organizing systems" because cooperation is a survival trait. Thus you tend to see governmental structures form around those survival necessities. Anarchy, as a political system, like communism at the other end of the spectrum, relies, for its justification, upon unreal assessments of human behavior.

We all crave order, and in our own spheres (save for mental defect) we create order and are bothered by disorder. It could be argued, I think, that the saner an individual is the more order there will be in his/her environment. Witness that a clean and tidy living space is a sign of a healthy and well ordered mind (even if that may not apply 100% of the time). So, there again we tend to generate systems to further that desire for order.

The problem of government then is not one of abolition but of limitation i.e., of ensuring through adequate safeguards that government is kept firmly in check and that there exists a means to correct it when it goes awry. That is the one great failing of our Constitution i.e., that there is no reliable mechanism, short of outright revolt against a tyrannical government, to correct the machine. There is no governor on the government. The right to petition is worthless as it has no teeth by which to force government back to within its constitutional limits.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-06-29   23:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I prefer to think of anarchy as

OK, but that is a personal definition that's not based on reality but on his wishes.

"A political order where the individual is not sovereign, such as what we have now in this country, is the type of system that eventually leads to tyranny and serfdom. "

That's the problem.

Is the solution to throw everything out and then replace it with nothing? Not everyone is as nice and peaceful as we all are, and they have to be taken care of, which is a legitimate function of government. This utopianism doesn't take any of that into account.

Even getting rid of the kikes wouldn't end all problems.

So, how to solve this dilemma?

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-30   8:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Damn. I guess we agree on something...

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-30   9:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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