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Title: Rand Paul: I'm Not My Dad
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Published: Jul 1, 2013
Author: David Catanese
Post Date: 2013-07-01 01:58:50 by farmfriend
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by David Catanese With 2016 in his sights, Rand Paul is distancing himself from some of his father's more extreme views. David Catanese on why the apple must fall just far enough from the tree. Standing in front of more than 100 South Carolina GOP activists in West Columbia Friday night, the Kentucky senator largely steered clear of the week's two dominant, divisive issues that are tying his party in knots: Gay rights and immigration reform. Instead, he diverted from his early presidential-primary-state speech script and went for the jugular on a topic that, while not necessarily timely, would surely please a military-friendly crowd: A full-throated defense of profiling. “After 9-11 we had a special program for student visas . . . Why?" Paul asked. "Because 16 of the 19 hijackers were overstaying their students visas. Was it targeting? Was it profiling? Yes. Because only certain people are attacking us. Why don’t we use some brain sense to go after the people who are attacking us?" The guests ate it up, rewarding Paul with sustained thunderclaps. It was one of his biggest applause lines of the night. But it was also a curious statement from a likely 2016 White House contender who built his brand on a libertarian approach to government. This, from the same guy who stood on the Senate floor for 14 hours to protest the potential use of drones to target Americans? Yet the undertones of Paul's full 23-minute speech to GOP activists at the state farmers' market were unmistakable: Rest assured, I'm not my father. Paul is well-aware of his dad's reputation in the Palmetto State. Former Rep. Ron Paul barely competed in the 2012 primary here largely because his isolationist worldview was deemed a non-starter in a place home to eight military bases. In order to be competitive here three years from now, Rand knows he needs to vanquish Ron's long shadow. So gone were Paul’s barbs about the IRS, his musings about diversifying the party and his lengthy critique of the immigration bill that’s dominated Congress for the first half of the year. Even his standard line of attack against Hillary Clinton was subdued. Instead, in addition to endorsing targeted screening at airports, he earned audible accolades for his call to sever foreign aid to hostile countries and a forceful defense of Israel’s right to exist. The address was almost exclusively devoted to foreign affairs and tactics employed in the country’s struggle against terrorism -- a marked change from his previous early state primary speeches and a subtle acknowledgment that he must prove he’s no softy when it comes to national security. Paul’s top political aide, Doug Stafford, dismissed the idea that there was a concerted strategy driving this particular messaging. “Quite sure either way was not deliberate. He has 40 minutes worth of stuff to say at any given moment and hates speaking more than 20,” he told me. It's not that Paul walked away from his core libertarian philosophy. He stood by his belief that even those charged with the most heinous, evil crimes --- like the Boston bombing -- deserve a day in court. “You may not all agree on this but it’s worth thinking about,” Paul cautioned before explaining his rationale to halt indefinite detentions of possible terrorists. When he bravely posited his idea of a full audit of the Pentagon, he was met with complete silence. But he strived to emphasize that greater oversight of the military isn’t incongruent with support for troops on the ground. “People say, you’re not going to go to South Carolina and talk about waste in the military, are you? There’s waste everywhere. Anybody’s ever been in the military knows there’s waste. Doesn’t mean I’m against national defense. National defense is the most important thing we spend money on,” he implored. Hogan Gidley, a former state party official who advised Rick Santorum’s 2012 presidential bid, said it was evident Rand’s mission was to wipe away any perception that he was weak on defense. “His father, rightly or wrongly, was saddled with being anti-military. I think he wanted to say, ‘I’m a little tougher’ from the foreign policy standpoint. South Carolinians love that stance. He wanted to get out front of being outflanked on the right on military issues,” Gidley said. Rep. Joe Wilson, one of two members of the congressional delegation who attended the event, said the speech allayed fears he had about Paul’s posture on the military. “He really did address the concern I had, which was his position relative to national defense. I had a misperception that he did not recognize national defense as a paramount function of government. But he really made it clear tonight he does,” Wilson said in an interview. “He reiterated something very important to me and to the people of South Carolina,, that he is a stalwart of a strong national defense. I was very pleased by his positive comments.” There are striking parallels between Paul’s effort to win over more hawkish members of the party in South Carolina and his play last month in Iowa to assure social conservatives he shares their values if not all of their exact issue positions. It’s a thin line to walk for a candidate-in-the-making whose libertarian streak helped define his identity, but could ultimately limit his ambitions. He is astute enough to address his vulnerabilities with large sections of the party. But with every speech or position that’s calibrated to win converts and broaden his appeal, there’s the risk that he could end up losing part of the fervent base built for him by his father. The difficulty of his political calculus was on display last week when he delivered two disparate reactions on the Defense of Marriage Act to two separate media entities. While Paul told ABC News he deemed the high court’s ruling striking down DOMA “appropriate,” during an appearance on Glenn Beck’s radio show that same day, he suggested the decision could lead to marriages between animals. “Does it have to be humans?” he asked. A spokeswoman later attempted to characterize Paul’s comments as “sarcasm,” but Paul was eager to clarify his remarks again on Friday during a short media availability with reporters. “There’s been a lot of confusion. I’ll try to clear it up. I am for traditional marriage, that’s just who I am. I wasn’t jumping up and down about the ruling, okay? Some reports made it out that I was, you know, complimenting [Justice] Kennedy, that I was in love with this ruling. What I was trying to say to people, what I try to say again today is, the silver lining to the ruling for social conservatives is that it appears to have left the decision up to the states,” he told me. Rep. Mick Mulvaney, a close friend of Rand’s who jogs and plays baseball with him, said he believes what most significantly separates the senator from his father is his ability to crisply articulate his ideas in a marketable fashion. “Rand knows how to deliver the libertarian-leaning conservative message better than anybody, at least as well as anybody,” praised Mulvaney. “Some folks might’ve looked at Ron Paul and dismiss him out of hand because he was far too extreme to them. They’ll not be able to do the same thing with Rand after they meet him. If you sit and talk to Rand, he comes across as extremely bright, extremely articulate and the farthest thing from crazy or extreme.” The speech in South Carolina offers an acute example of Paul’s crafty approach to winning over a room -- with some instant evidence of success. But ironically, it simultaneously exposes the outline of a potential attack that could be used against him by a 2016 rival: That Paul has morphed into a panderer, all too willing to tweak his positioning in the pursuit of politics. David Catanese is a freelance political writer who is the creator and editor of the website TheRun2016.com.Rand Paul: I'm Not My Dad
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#1. To: farmfriend (#0)
So I noticed. And you expect us to support a NeoCon merely because he has the same nom de famille as his Pere? Keep dreaming. Which ones are those? That we should actually follow the Constitution? After all it is only the founding document under which this nation was founded and from wh So I noticed. And you expect us to support a NeoCon merely because he has the same nom de famille as his Pere? Keep dreaming. Which ones are those? That we should actually follow the Constitution? After all it is only the founding document under which this nation was founded and from which the Feral Guffermint derives its legitimacy. Another false statement. Ron Paul is not an isolationist, but he is opposed to unnecessary military adventurism. Is there really something wrong with not throwing away the lives of our loyal fighting men and women for the benefit of commercial interests or a shitty little ingrate state? One that tried to sink one of our ships in a FALSE FLAG attack and killed 34 American Sailors? I guess that is why he received more in campaign donations from active duty military than the rest of the candidates combined. Gee, makes sense to me. I would vote for his father in a heartbeat. Rand can go rot in hell before I ever vote for the NeoCon @#$%%#@@!!!!! Interesting - I have a bad connection to our Wifi network and so I showed up twice. Gee, I must be special.
I would vote for his father in a heartbeat. Rand can go rot in hell before I ever vote for the NeoCon @#$%%#@@!!!!! I look forward to expressing the same sentiment to him in person. (and I will) I can't get the taste of his treatment of his father last summer out of my mouth. I'm not all that proud of Ron's performance then either. In my opinion Ron had no desire to become POTUS. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
If Americans expect to survive the current criminal FEDERAL government they must withdraw all support and participation with it.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
I think Ron has a realist streak. It was very obvious early on that he would not be allowed to finish first in any primary. The votes were rigged and it is likely he finished first, or a close second, in most of the early primaries. Even if he had been able to overcome the massive vote fraud the PTB would have killed him before he took office. However, I think he was also faced with threats against loved ones. He really changed during the first campaign, when Oh'bummer was running against Hitlery, at the South Carolina Debate. His manner and attitude changed and I think it was from threats that were made privately against his wife and children. Ron is a brave man but men who would risk their own life are rarely willing to put the lives of their loved ones at risk - particularly when the forces are ones he would be powerless to stop. Correct - thanks for the analysis. Ron would never have been allowed to occupy the Oval Office, ever. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
that's about the size of it. A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America. Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever: Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth. we knew that! A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America. Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever: Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth. have you heard the audio youtube where Obama admits that? A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America. Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever: Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth. A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America. Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever: Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth. have you heard the audio youtube where Obama admits that? I'd love to hear that one, thanks! “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America. Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever: Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth. Thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Ron Paul was not "allowed" to occupy the Oval Office because he is a Constitutionalist. That should speak volumes about the hijacking of our nation by seditious defectors from our real system of government -- Rand Paul among them. That he might be a less seditious defector than many others isn't Constitutionalism. He serves the outlaw hijacker-system that wants "America" and "Americans" blamed for their criminality and our resources used to provide them with Police State Security -- much the same old, same old story that's been ruining the world down through the ages. But, America does not really need the permission of inimical alien forces at all to put Constitutionalists in office. Ron Paul was the only candidate in the 2008 and 2012 elections who actually won America's Presidency as a qualified Constitutionalist. The word "Catholic" means "Universal". Comparably, the Constitution should be universally accepted here in America as our only legitimate form of government but it is repeatedly under attack by those attempting to overthrow it. When Protestants/protesters divided against the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church became less populated but was not dissolved. Neither is America's Constitutional Republic dissolved by those who've seceded from it in fragments and concertedly besiege it. It is not a "Democracy" that can be usurped by mob rule if outnumbered by antitheticals. It is not the job of Constitutionalists to cater to congregants of the opposition or to compliantly accommodate them. It is the duty of Constitutionalists to extricate themselves from the weeds, so to speak, and go on with the business of our own governance in accordance with our founding document. Edited next to last sentence for clarity + spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Well said - thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Rand Paul is and always has been a closet neocon.
I don't know if I would have the self control to remain coherent when I unloaded. It would be either with gentlemanly frost an inch thick, or with enough heat to singe asbestos. Wishing you strength. Merci, Bon Ami.
have you heard the audio youtube where Obama admits that? Yes. Jeff Rense played the clip a week or two ago. we knew that! Je vous remercie Madame bon. :-) that's about the size of it. Comment redacted. ;-) Well said good sir. Well said.
And about 90+% of the American people. Very few Americans give a damn about the Constitution. They care about being able to use the government to control their neighbor. They care about "kicking ass and taking names" overseas - as long as its someone else doing it. They care about giving the government whatever it needs to protect them from the "big bad Mooslims" coming to force them to live under Sharia law. They care about the goodies the government gives them and about who will give them more. The Constitution and the Republican/Federalist forms of government of the United States are as dead as Hebrew, Latin, and Koine Greek but no one wants to admit it. What we are seeing now is just the beginning of our death throes. The U.S. is going to die the same violent death as every other Republic has once it's citizens have begun sucking on the government tit. It will be replaced by an authoritarian regime that will make the Nazi's and Soviet's look like Pikers. The LePer's, DUmmies, and Friek Republic scum of the country will loudly cheer as liberty-minded Americans are mass murdered by the Republican and Democratic Party's. The outdamnedspots of the world will be lining the streets with their Chinese made American flags as freedom-loving Americans are rounded up and herded off to their deaths - all the while STILL claiming to be "small government conservatives." The great experiment has failed. Most men hate liberty and despise those who want to embrace it. THAT is why Dr. Paul was and is hated and THAT is why his son will not embrace his fathers beliefs. Freedom and liberty is anathema to modern Americans. It's all about safety, order, and discipline. The uncertainty and chaos that are the natural bedfellows of a free people cannot and will not be tolerated. It's too frightening for Americans to handle. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT! I was under the impression that Grey had boobs. ....and intelligence. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
I fear that you are correct. Great obit - thanks. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Hmm, in that case it should be: Bien dit Madame la bonne.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yes that's what I meant, but I am limited to being able to see things though a guy's perspective. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
you are so right. i just had to log off Fb because of a plethora of posts from the types you just defined. lord, it's depressing....
They are not suited to our Constitutional Republic's standards of Freedom. Many are having an identity crisis, as if outnumbering us by claiming to be Americans retaining citizenship status (even though they are, essentially, in secession from our valid form of government) somehow means that they can, by their contrary consensus, alter or abolish our Republic with "majority rule" as they prefer. In reality, they can't lawfully do that and continuing to indulge their charade is not only disastrous to our country and economy but others too. They're merely secessionists/seditionists and they can't legitimately take our nation with them into their alien realms. America's Constitutionalists should stop referring to them as Americans. They are like hostile, foreign satellites in Communist orbits and such and not of America's real governmental system. There's vast numbers of them and that is a problem but it shouldn't dissuade us from standing strongly with the Constitution as America's authentic claimants, which they aren't.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Great post.
Paul Craig Roberts
I wouldn't say a guy's perspective is limited...but I suppose it's possible that I could be wrong about that. lol Just joking. I'm fairly sure it's just a different perspective and so what I said was correct. :) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thanks, James. :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Viva la différence!
Aye. Good summation. :) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
LOL hey size matters. A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America. Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever: Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth. women's little head is smaller than a man's, therefore seeing things with the little head is dramatically less in women. something like that anyway. A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America. Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever: Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth.Rand Paul: I'm Not My Dad
With 2016 in his sights, Rand Paul is distancing himself from some of his father's more extreme views.
#2. To: farmfriend (#0)
Rand Paul: I'm Not My Dad
With 2016 in his sights, Rand Paul is distancing himself from some of his father's more extreme views.
Former Rep. Ron Paul barely competed in the 2012 primary here largely because his isolationist worldview ...
“His father, rightly or wrongly, was saddled with being anti-military. ..."
#3. To: farmfriend (#0)
#4. To: Original_Intent (#2)
I guess that is why he received more in campaign donations from active duty military than the rest of the candidates combined. Gee, makes sense to me.
#5. To: farmfriend (#0)
#6. To: Hmmmmm (#4)
I'm not all that proud of Ron's performance then either. In my opinion Ron had no desire to become POTUS.
#7. To: Original_Intent (#6)
Ron is a brave man but men who would risk their own life are rarely willing to put the lives of their loved ones at risk - particularly when the forces are ones he would be powerless to stop.
#8. To: farmfriend, 4 (#0)
#9. To: Original_Intent (#2)
I would vote for his father in a heartbeat. Rand can go rot in hell before I ever vote for the NeoCon @#$%%#@@!!!!!
#10. To: Original_Intent (#3)
Gee, I must be special.
#11. To: Original_Intent (#6)
I think Ron has a realist streak. It was very obvious early on that he would not be allowed to finish first in any primary. The votes were rigged and it is likely he finished first
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
#13. To: farmfriend (#11)
I think Ron has a realist streak. It was very obvious early on that he would not be allowed to finish first in any primary. The votes were rigged and it is likely he finished first
#14. To: Lod, Original_Intent (#13)
I'd love to hear that one, thanks!
#15. To: farmfriend (#14)
#16. To: Lod, All (#7)
(Edited)
Ron would never have been allowed to occupy the Oval Office, ever.
#17. To: GreyLmist (#16)
#18. To: farmfriend (#0)
#19. To: Hmmmmm (#4)
I look forward to expressing the same sentiment to him in person.
#20. To: Lod (#7)
#21. To: farmfriend (#11)
I think Ron has a realist streak. It was very obvious early on that he would not be allowed to finish first in any primary. The votes were rigged and it is likely he finished first
#22. To: farmfriend (#10)
(Edited)
Gee, I must be special.
#23. To: farmfriend (#9)
I would vote for his father in a heartbeat. Rand can go rot in hell before I ever vote for the NeoCon @#$%%#@@!!!!!
#24. To: GreyLmist (#16)
#25. To: GreyLmist, all (#16)
Ron Paul was not "allowed" to occupy the Oval Office because he is a Constitutionalist. That should speak volumes about the hijacking of our nation by seditious defectors from our real system of government -- Rand Paul among them.
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
#26. To: Original_Intent (#24)
Well said good sir. Well said.
#27. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#25)
Most men hate liberty and despise those who want to embrace it. THAT is why Dr. Paul was and is hated and THAT is why his son will not embrace his fathers beliefs. Freedom and liberty is anathema to modern Americans. It's all about safety, order, and discipline. The uncertainty and chaos that are the natural bedfellows of a free people cannot and will not be tolerated. It's too frightening for Americans to handle.
#28. To: Hmmmmm, GreyLmist (#26)
#29. To: Hmmmmm, Original_Intent, Lod (#26)
Female, yes, and thanks guys for the nice notes. :)
#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)
Female, yes,
#31. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#25)
#32. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#25)
#33. To: GreyLmist (#16)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#34. To: Hmmmmm (#30)
Yes that's what I meant, but I am limited to being able to see things though a guy's perspective.
#35. To: James Deffenbach (#33)
#36. To: GreyLmist, Hmmmmm (#34)
#37. To: Original_Intent (#36)
Viva la différence!
#38. To: GreyLmist (#37)
#39. To: Original_Intent (#23)
Comment redacted. ;-)
#40. To: GreyLmist, Hmmmmm (#34)
I wouldn't say a guy's perspective is limited...
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