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Title: Zimmerman Not Guilty—Beyond Reasonable Doubt—But Will He Go To Jail Anyway?
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URL Source: http://www.vdare.com/articles/zimme ... -but-will-he-go-to-jail-anyway
Published: Jul 11, 2013
Author: Patrick J. Buchanan
Post Date: 2013-07-12 22:16:28 by Big Meanie
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Views: 635
Comments: 38
That the prosecution in the Zimmerman trial asked the judge to allow a verdict of "third-degree murder"—i.e., child abuse, since Trayvon Martin was 17—testifies to the prosecution's failure and panic. For George Zimmerman's defense has proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he shot Trayvon Martin not out of malice, rage or hate—but in a desperate act of self-defense. Zimmerman was being beaten "ground-and-pound," mixed martial arts style. His head was being banged on the cement. Screaming again and again for help, he pulled out his gun and fired. Even the prosecution is now conceding Trayvon might have been on top, and is now scrambling for a compromise verdict on a lesser charge than second-degree murder, a charge that never should have been brought. Indeed, this trial should never have been held. What we have witnessed in Sanford, Fla., is the prosecution of an innocent man for murder because the politically and socially powerful demanded it. That Trayvon is dead is a tragedy, and an avoidable tragedy. But it was not murder. And it does not justify railroading a man who, whatever his mistakes that night—and George Zimmerman made them—committed no crime. The case comes down to four questions. And the answers, supported by the evidence, testimony and common sense, point straight to an acquittal. First, who was the aggressor? All agree it would have been better if Zimmerman had never left his car or followed Trayvon that night. Yet, ask yourself: Would a pudgy, out-of-shape 28-year-old with a gun, facing a 17-year-old athletic kid, 4 inches taller, with a longer reach, throw a punch and start a fistfight with him? If Zimmerman threw the first punch, what would be his motive? If you have a gun and your adversary does not, is not the sensible stance to keep your distance so you can be free to pull the gun? Who armed with a pistol starts a fistfight with a suspicious stranger? Moreover, Trayvon's body showed no signs of having ever been punched, while George's nose looks like he was sucker-punched. Second, who was on top in those final moments of the fight? If Zimmerman was on top and Trayvon was on his back, Trayvon would have been found on his back. He was found dead on his stomach. If Zimmerman was on top and Trayvon was on his stomach, he would have been shot in the back. He was shot in the chest. How could Trayvon have been found lying on his face, with a bullet hole in his chest, if Zimmerman was sitting on top of him? Only if George Zimmerman, after shooting Trayvon, would have turned him over as he lay dying. No one has even suggested that. Why was the back of Zimmerman's jacket soaking wet, and the back of Trayvon's dry, if Trayvon was on the bottom? Why were the knees of Trayvon's pants wet, if he was on the bottom? Third, who was screaming for help? His mother, brother and father say it was Trayvon. George's mother, father and half a dozen friends say it is George's voice on the tape, screaming for help. Trayvon's father and brother apparently told investigators initially that the voice was not Trayvon's, or they did not know. And the eyewitness John Good says the guy on the bottom in the red jacket, George Zimmerman, was the one screaming. But, again, let us assume it was Trayvon screaming. Why would he be screaming? If he was being beaten up martial arts style on the ground, would Trayvon not have had cuts and bruises? What, exactly, was George Zimmerman doing to this 17-year-old football player that he should be screaming for help? Where is the physical evidence that Trayvon had been hurt in any way before he was shot? Is screaming how a tough 17-year-old male reacts in a fistfight, even one he is losing? Trayvon was a stranger in that neighborhood, and George was the neighborhood watch guy. Which of the two is more likely to be yelling for help from the neighbors? Fourth, was the use of a firearm justified, even if Zimmerman was losing the fight and being beaten up? Were his injuries that serious? Was he really in danger of grave bodily harm? Experts disagree. But the real question is: What did Zimmerman think at the time? And judging by those piercing screams, was not that screaming man frightened, even terrified? Trayvon's parents think these were the desperate cries for help of a son about to be killed. But if they were Zimmerman's cries, could George not have had those same thoughts? George Zimmerman should have informed Trayvon he was the neighborhood watch. Trayvon should not have pummeled him. Both made mistakes. One is dead. To send the other to prison for what happened that night would be an act of vengeance, not justice, an invocation of the old lex talionis—an eye for an eye. That's not what America is supposed to be about. Patrick J. Buchanan needs no introduction to VDARE.COM readers; his books State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America, and Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025? are available from Amazon.com
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#1. To: Big Meanie (#0)
That "lesser charge" could get Zimmerman THIRTY YEARS if the judge wants to make an example of him (and I believe she would like to). Not much of a "lesser charge." Paul Craig Roberts
The use of a firearm would indeed be justified if Zimmerman was losing the fight and being beaten up. No one is under any obligation to take a beating from an angry black. If the assailant was too stupid to anticipate the production of a lawfully concealed firearm by a law abiding citizen then the assailant died as a result of his own misadventure. This is something that should catch on in states that have shall issue laws, if for no other reason so thugs will eventually realize that the outcome of their violence may leave them crippled or crying and dying. Several years ago a homeowner anticipated a robbery when two blacks knocked on his front door, pretending to be looking for someone. After closing his door he answered a second knock with a gun in his hand, and he got on the trigger first. The misguided yewt who only moments before was emboldened to armed invasion after sizing the elderly resident up lay dying on the porch and he was crying for his mama, the survivor told police.
Everyone knows that the prosecutor is nipping and stitching, trying to force Zimmerman into this ill fitting fire sale haberdasher's suit. One way or another Zimmerman will be exonerated. Folks who are letting justice run its course will come out in numbers if a conviction results.
What we have witnessed in Sanford, Fla., is the prosecution of an innocent man for murder because the politically and socially powerful demanded it. Whaaaaat? Even if there is an iota of truth in this article about why Zimmerman should walk minus the hokey pokey "To send the other to prison for what happened that night would be an act of vengeance, not justice, an invocation of the old lex talionis—an eye for an eye." This article is truly biased. This person want to put out there that Zimmerman is white as snow. Lord knows the media has put it out there that Zimmerman is white indeed but not so snow white as the author of the article is pimping. Zimmerman lied from the beginning, that much is agreed on. He talked in codes to his wife, hid assets perjuring himself. His actions dictated that money seemed more important than his innocence. I don't even think that he has a concept of what is really going on so much he is (was) sure he would walk. Even his so called "I had to defend myself" bruises as he and the defense wants us to believe were close to none. Zimmerman has a history of spousal abuse, talking down to cops and getting away with it because of his "daddy" immunity cloak. His character speaks for itself, he hired bodyguards probably knowing full well that he 1) Did not have the funds to pay for the service rendered entailing theft of services or 2) Have the funds but have no intention of paying for the services rendered to protect his "white" hispano sorry ass which also entails theft of services. He is already guilty of perjuring himself, theft of services and knowingly defrauding the Florida system by hiding his a$$ets to the Judge. That's not what America is supposed to be about. ~Sarcasm~ PRISM, NSA, DHS, PIPA, CISPA, Federal Reserve, Electoral college (only 537 voting the kenyan in, fuck popular vote), Police Brutality, blatant forceful deceitful invasion of the middle east, Sponsored State Terrorism, False Flags, Black Ops, Toppling foreing governments for the administration's gain, Obama's Kill List... ~/Sarcasm~ Hope that is what Pat meant, not Zimmerman's sorry ass deer in the headlights look he recently displayed. The 25 Rules of Disinformation 18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.
Lets break this down shall we. The witness that made this claim, how is he an expert on mixed martial arts? When did Trayvons dad pay for the years of martial arts classes that trayvon might use this so called mixed martial arts... You make mention of Zimmerman pulling his gun. It is funny you mention that because Zimmeran said he and trayvon fought over the gun that trayvon actully handled his gun as he tried to wrestle it out of zimmermans hands. Only forensic found no prints on the gun other than zimmermans. Lets repeat this so we all understand. The only prints on the gun they allegedly fought over were zimmermans. Now Zimmerman has a past history of domestic abuse and even went so far as to push a cop over his friends being arrested for drinking under age. Are any of you allowed to push a cop with out facing a felony? Lastly If he was screaming for help why not get on the stand and prove it? why not let the people here his man voice. He screamed once for help. He can scream again. It is not that hard to tell the difference between a 16 year old boy and 33 year old man. An in shape fit man... Before zimmerman put on the pounds for this trial he was a buff looking fuckhead. Certainly out weighing Trayvon who was still a slim jim waiting to blossom. Fortunitly for zimmerman his daddy is a judge. And it looks like the judge has lots of friends. Because everyone has given zimmerman everything he needs for a variety of outs. First not arresting him for the murder, then the media circus, then the multiple court irregularities...... I do not think it is justice.....They did not fight over the gun if only zimmermans prints are on it... he already perjured himself....he and his wife should be serving time on perjury charges already..... YOU DO NOT LIE TO THE COURT... but again... zimmerman is special. His daddy is a judge. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite, your post doesn't contain one piece of factual evidentiary evidence. Not one piece.
You noticed that too,eh? Paul Craig Roberts
One way or another Zimmerman will be exonerated. Folks who are letting justice run its course will come out in numbers if a conviction results. I hope the "white Hispanics"* will riot if Zimmerman is convicted. Not that I think they will, just that they ought to. *I never knew there was any such thing as a "white Hispanic" until they used that term in reference to the Z man. Paul Craig Roberts
You noticed that too, eh? His comment is truly Sharptonesque.
There are several variables that must coincide for useable prints to be present. Assuming that the humidity was within the acceptable range and there was either oil and/or moisture on the gun or Trayvon's fingers, prints can only be lifted if left on a surface that will reveal them. For instance, prints cannot be lifted from the checkering of factory supplied wooden grip panels, or (under ordinary circs) from Kraton polymer grips such as those made by Pachmayr. Also, in the course of a struggle, prints can be smeared unless one releases the gun cleanly without sliding and smearing finger and or palm prints. It is in fact logical that the last person to grip a handgun would leave good prints, possibly even eradicating others. Barring a jab to the eyeball it's doubtful that I'd release my grip during a struggle for control of a handgun, and in the course of taking it from me it's quite likely that I could remove or smear my prints if the weapon is forced from my hand. I wouldn't suddenly snap-release it in order to leave sharp prints behind because my prints could be interpreted as evidence of a crime that I committed. I'd be focused on maintaining at least partial control of the weapon "soze I don't bee shot wid it." What I don't know is if Zimmerman holstered the firearm while waiting for the cops. If he did then the cops may have assumed that checking for prints was pointless, doing so as an afterthought to give Zimmerman the benefit of any doubt. (a holster can distort or remove prints) Finally, if the gun was on a damp lawn or rubbed against clothing during or after the struggle, there's just no logical reason to share the absolute conclusion you stated. The presumption that "all who struggle for control of a gun must leave prints on it" is not only wrong, but there are different finishes today such as hard chrome, Parkerizing, titanium nitride, etc., that won't accept a fingerprint unless there's "enuff oil on the gun to fry chicken".
Not stated, but it's possible TM could have grabbed GZ's wrist in an attempt for the gun.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Good post, good explanation.
Paul Craig Roberts
You talkin' bad 'bout Saint Syzzurp? I'll riot your ass, cracka!
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Black teenagers can be unbelievably fleet of foot.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Forensics didn't even find Zimmerman's prints on his own gun. They found traces of his DNA. Since Zimmerman's prints weren't on his firearm shall we assume he didn't shoot Trayvon? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
If the gun don't fit you must aquit! corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Right, I hadn't thought of that.
Thank you my friend.
HAH!
Ode to smartass niggas ! You're bound to know - when the bullet hits the bone Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
Yeah, the kid was suicidal ! Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
I've never known anyone to come up with a clean set of prints on a gun for all the reasons contained in this study.
Maybe Trayvon was a pain in the local police dept's ass ... and they wiped the pistol ! Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
Shit yes that happens...er...happened :P
Right, I hadn't thought of that. Sheer bullshit on my part, but once MSNBC positited that Zimm might be a 122 year old U-Boat Captain all bets were off. corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Thank you JT for this excellent link, which I will save in my resource data file. And to my fellow and lady 4nicators; There's a definite advantage to having an intelligent and experienced police officer as a friendly member. "Our man" was trained by (and retired from) a legendary agency (NYPD) that's known for cross training their people with state, federal and even foreign "Ninja" agencies. The end result is, our resource man on the ground either knows the answers, or knows where to find them. There was once a market for published black and white photos of grisly crime scenes. And in some cases even dried blood (from a toolbox murder for instance) left psychological scarring on unsuspecting folks that perused those TRUE CRIME magazines. I don't know how JT went the distance. I've seen plenty of gunshot holes and bird shot patterns in flesh, and I once saw a fellow walk into a hospital holding his deflated lung which had fallen out of the knife slash in his chest. (in CA) And a local DE speed trap police chief made a supreme effort to impress me by showing color morgue close up photos of a victim's vagina. Her baby daddy stabbed her in her vagina so hard with a kitchen knife that the blade nicked her heart. The photo included the latex gloved fingers of the cop who was spreading her open, you know, for evidentiary purposes. That poor woman was first victimized by a knife wielding psycho, and a second time by an asshole cop who wanted to show me how his tiny department investigated all crimes in their town (just like the grownups in the state police and the professional homicide dicks in the NYPD) including that grisly murder. The sheer viciousness of these crimes was so shocking that I couldn't imagine spending 20 or more years on the job. I once engaged a Wilmington DE police evidence tech in friendly chat, and he opened his station wagon and pulled out a new jar of fingerprint dusting power and the wide tape to lift the prints, and then he handed them to me! "Uh, gee thanks" I said. He was really nice to me, an interested friendly. He worked the night shift and he didn't get to talk to many people about his job collecting evidence. He seemed grateful that I asked fairly intelligent questions and I was grateful for the stuff to play with, lifting my kids' prints.
It's just too easy for whites to vilify and maliciously characterize noble, non violent and peace loving persons of African or Afro Euro descent. We should view all blacks the way they're portrayed on TV and in films, like Sidney Portier. If a pretty redhead girl (with matching cuffs and collar! Yummy!) throws herself at a YBM we should assume that he'd rather bake her a quiche then gently tuck her in. After she falls into a deep, REM sleep and is dreaming about her prince he will do the responsible thing and call her daddy to come and pick her up. And, not until both of her parents (and his) give their blessings will our hero even think of plowing into her. In many cases he will also need guidance, having kept himself pure (and therefore most worthy) of that special someone who came into his life. Yes, if the relationship is viewed through proper lenses such as those worn by Hepburn and Tracey it would never be viewed as something sordid or lustful, like the "hot nigger lovin" we may suspect is taking place. No sireeee.... "I don't care about you, white bitch! Now, bring me mah hayron then get on your knees. Yeah, baby, if'n yore white daddy could see yo ass now!?
I grew up defending blacks whenever my dad and I would talk about the race thing. In my lifetime I've learned that the responsible black is the rarity and not the norm. When they're in a large group they take on a gang mentality, easily led to do outrageous things that they wouldn't have the nerve to do alone. At any rate I'd prefer to look at all people as equal in God's eyes, which may be true, but I'm sure glad my daughter didn't date or marry a black. Any white dad that says he's proud his daughter married a nigger is a fucking liar. Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
At any rate I'd prefer to look at all people as equal in God's eyes, which may be true, but I'm sure glad my daughter didn't date or marry a black. Any white dad that says he's proud his daughter married a nigger is a fucking liar. You may have noticed that I have a special fondness for straightforward wordsmithing. And I very much appreciate what you wrote. Although brief it's jam packed with information and honesty, and there is nothing to which I could take exception. You get an A+ in DAWGGY DEUX 102 for the semester. My shooting partner (long range heavy barrelled .243 rifles for coyotes in theory, but for paper in practice) in California was one tough white man. He was not very big or heavy, but he was iron fisted and wasn't afraid. He once got thrown in a tank where the whites outnumbered the blacks for a change, and Mister, don't you know he rode them coons, telling them that they're only bad asses when in the majority. And he invited them to show their asses then. Them nig....I mean, African Americans cowered down and closed their mouths for the remainder of their shared jail time. The motto for the young urban black should be, "I may be ignorant but I sure am stupid!"
Very observant. In the past I had the opportunity of working with large numbers of blacks during military and government service. This included high school graduates thru college educated professionals, singularly and in groups. Warranted or not, there were some attributes that were present in nearly all. One, their hatred of whitey was nearly universal, albeit their hatred of other colored races was nearly as rabid. Chinese, Japanese, Indian, whatever, some darker skinned than themselves, this gives one pause to consider if skin "color" is really their basis for hate. Two, their total disdain for women, that is beyond their hate for color. Females are totally worthless to them, to be used, abused and thrown away. Africans have a long list of names reserved for women, ESPECIALLY WHITE WOMEN. Education has nothing to do with their inherent culture. Having had the occasion to overhear discussions of small groups of black professionals, their talk always dropped to street level bragging and boasting about women, usually white women. If a white person walked in, such talk ceased immediately.
Man, I'm proud of that grade ! I have to admit that your posts are some of my favorites even though I have to be on constant alert for the subtle sarcasm. "I may be ignorant but I sure am stupid!" [Perfect]. I went to a high school that had about 10,000 kids in it and half were white and the other half black with just a few other minorities. I graduated in 1968 and there were race riots throughout my 4 years there. (I had black friends because I played sports and later ran an inner-city city community center where the primary activity was basketball). After a half-century of coddling the fucking niggers have not lifted theirselves out of poverty or the ghetto gang- banger mentality. They have however succeeded in lowering the education value once available to all because of their ill mannered behavior. They have white kids trying to become niggers singing rap shit and letting their pants down to show the crack of their asses. I find it ironic that hundreds of thousands of whites died to emancipate the slaves but it's never mentioned. Whites have been taxed into a coma to feed blacks for 75 years without one word of thanks or recognition by the socialists in government. Frankly, I'm exhausted of hearing greasy fucks like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson whine about shit that happened 150 years ago, or the shit they try to spin into a profit center whenever there's a claim made by a black against a white. (Which generally turns out to be untrue). Whenever I would argue with my dad about the blacks he would smirk and say "when was the last time you heard of a couple of white guys fleeing a black neighborhood with TVs under their arms" ? Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
Hey man, you're up late or maybe early (like me). I hit the sack early and get up in the wee hours of the AM (unless I'm cavorting with the senior hill-billy drinking society here in town) ... how are ya ? White women, generally speaking, are the most eye pleasing of all women. There are many exceptions for sure. Wealthy black men often have attractive white wives or girlfriends while their ghetto brethern usually opt for some grossly obese white woman that spits out a few of their half-breed kids and goes on welfare when he goes back to the basketball court or dice game. Off topic, but something I want to say, is that I have always contended that whites have done some bad things to other races while in charge of the society - but their poor behavior will pale when compared to the treatment they'll receive if and when minorities have control. Now look at Obama and Eric Holder ... these two niggers have surely abused their undeserved positions of authority beying my wildest expectations ... and it doesn't look like they're finished yet. Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
Funny! If you get the chance to visit Gettysburg Battlefield National Park the first thing you'll notice is the absence of blacks. There are no monuments to fallen blacks or any of the other things you'd expect to see from a govt that coddles the oh so sensitive American black. For the record, no black lives were lost during the most fierce and terrible battle fought on American soil. And contemporary blacks have no interest in using their vacations to pay homage to the thousands of whites who died there. And, in 150 years not one black NGO or church group has felt an obligation to even propose the placement of a monument by a grateful race of newly freed men, even though their freedom was bought and paid for with white men's limbs, blood and lives. I did see one black kid there as part of a school tour, and he noisily chimped out among the graves of the fallen until a white teacher showed him the ubiquitous signs asking for silence and respect, which were alien concepts to the little urban nuisance. It must have been a long day for that kid. But, it was good practice for prison which will someday control the older, more dangerous manchild he'll grow up to be.
Ya know, history indicates that whitey tolerates a lot of nonsense to a point. When whitey goes over the edge it's no holds barred, it's very bloody, and whitey has always won from the inception of humanity. We can lower the black population in prison by putting them in a cemetery. Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
Thank you HD. Coming from you that is the highest form of compliment.
laughing at that and.... great comments
Even the prosecution is now conceding Trayvon might have been on top, and is now scrambling for a compromise verdict on a lesser charge than second-degree murder,
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#2. To: Big Meanie (#0)
Fourth, was the use of a firearm justified, even if Zimmerman was losing the fight and being beaten up?
#3. To: James Deffenbach (#1)
That "lesser charge" could get Zimmerman THIRTY YEARS if the judge wants to make an example of him (and I believe she would like to). Not much of a "lesser charge."
#4. To: Big Meanie (#0)
Zimmerman was being beaten "ground-and-pound," mixed martial arts style. His head was being banged on the cement. Screaming again and again for help, he pulled out his gun and fired.
#5. To: Big Meanie (#0)
Zimmerman was being beaten "ground-and-pound," mixed martial arts style. His head was being banged on the cement. Screaming again and again for help, he pulled out his gun and fired.
#6. To: titorite (#5)
(Edited)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
titorite, your post doesn't contain one piece of factual evidentiary evidence. Not one piece.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#8. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)
Everyone knows that the prosecutor is nipping and stitching, trying to force Zimmerman into this ill fitting fire sale haberdasher's suit.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#9. To: James Deffenbach (#7)
#10. To: titorite, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull. Lod (#5)
(Edited)
They did not fight over the gun if only zimmermans prints are on it...
#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)
#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#13. To: Dakmar (#11)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#14. To: Esso (#13)
#15. To: titorite (#5)
Only forensic found no prints on the gun other than zimmermans.
#16. To: abraxas (#15)
Since Zimmerman's prints weren't on his firearm shall we assume he didn't shoot Trayvon?
#17. To: Dakmar (#11)
Not stated, but it's possible TM could have grabbed GZ's wrist in an attempt for the gun.
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
#19. To: abraxas (#15)
Since Zimmerman's prints weren't on his firearm shall we assume he didn't shoot Trayvon?
#20. To: Dakmar (#16)
#21. To: abraxas (#15)
Since Zimmerman's prints weren't on his firearm shall we assume he didn't shoot Trayvon?
#22. To: HOUNDDAWG, Abraxis, 4um (#18)
books.google.com/books?id...5%20on%20firearms&f=false
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)
I've never known anyone to come up with a clean set of prints on a gun for all the reasons contained in this study.
#24. To: noone222 (#23)
#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#17)
Not stated, but it's possible TM could have grabbed GZ's wrist in an attempt for the gun.
#26. To: Dakmar (#25)
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
#28. To: Jethro Tull, farmfriend, christine, Lod (#22)
(Edited)
I've never known anyone to come up with a clean set of prints on a gun for all the reasons contained in this study.
#29. To: noone222 (#20)
Ode to smartass niggas !
#30. To: HOUNDDAWG (#29)
#31. To: noone222 (#30)
(Edited)
I grew up defending blacks whenever my dad and I would talk about the race thing. In my lifetime I've learned that the responsible black is the rarity and not the norm. When they're in a large group they take on a gang mentality, easily led to do outrageous things that they wouldn't have the nerve to do alone.
#32. To: noone222 (#30)
When they're in a large group they take on a gang mentality, easily led to do outrageous things that they wouldn't have the nerve to do alone.
#33. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
(Edited)
You get an A+ in DAWGGY DEUX 102 for the semester.
#34. To: Cynicom (#32)
#35. To: noone222 (#33)
#36. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)
#37. To: HOUNDDAWG (#28)
#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#28)
And to my fellow and lady 4nicators;
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