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Title: Study Verifies Power of Positive Thinking
Source: livescience
URL Source: http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/ap_051128_placebo.html
Published: Nov 29, 2005
Author: By Lauran Neergaard
Post Date: 2005-11-29 07:13:55 by gengis gandhi
Keywords: Verifies, Positive, Thinking
Views: 146
Comments: 35

Quote of the Day "Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey – don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride..... and we, kill those people" ~ Bill Hicks

Study Verifies Power of Positive Thinking

By Lauran Neergaard Associated Press posted: 28 November 2005 08:05 pm ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Your medicine really could work better if your doctor talks it up before handing over the prescription.

Research is showing the power of expectations, that they have physical -- not just psychological -- effects on your health. Scientists can measure the resulting changes in the brain, from the release of natural painkilling chemicals to alterations in how neurons fire.

Among the most provocative findings: New research suggests that once Alzheimer's disease robs someone of the ability to expect that a proven painkiller will help them, it doesn't work nearly as well.

It's a new spin on the so-called placebo effect -- and it begs the question of how to harness this power and thus enhance treatment benefits for patients.

"Your expectations can have profound impacts on your brain and your health,'' says Columbia University neuroscientist Tor Wager.

"There is not a single placebo effect, but many placebo effects,'' that differ by illness, adds Dr. Fabrizio Benedetti of Italy's University of Torino Medical School, who is studying those effects in patients with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease and pain.

The placebo effect is infamous from studies of new medications: Scientists often given either an experimental drug or a dummy pill to patients and see how they fare. Frequently, those taking the fake feel better, too, for a while, making it more difficult to tease out the medication's true effects.

Doctors have long thought the placebo effect was psychological.

Now scientists are amassing the first direct evidence that the placebo effect actually is physical, and that expecting benefit can trigger the same neurological pathways of healing as real medication does. Among them:

--University of Michigan scientists injected the jaws of healthy young men with salt water to cause painful pressure, while PET scans measured the impact in their brains. During one scan, the men were told they were getting a pain reliever, actually a placebo.

Their brains immediately released more endorphins -- chemicals that act as natural painkillers by blocking the transmission of pain signals between nerve cells -- and the men felt better. To return to pre-placebo pain levels, scientists had to increase the salt-water pressure.

"Our brain really is on drugs when we get a placebo,'' says co-researcher Christian Stohler, now at the University of Maryland. More remarkable, some especially strong placebo responders suggest "many brains can actually stimulate that (pain-relief) system more.''

Italy's Benedetti gave Parkinson's patients a placebo and measured the electrical activity of individual nerve cells in a movement-controlling part of the brain. Those neurons quieted down, a decrease in firing of about 40 percent that correlated with a reduction in patients' muscle rigidity -- they moved more easily.

To further prove the power of belief, Benedetti hooked pain patients to a computerized morphine injection system. Sometimes the computer administered a dose without them knowing it; sometimes a nurse pretended to give it. The morphine was up to 50 percent more effective when patients knew it was coming.

Likewise, Parkinson's patients moved much better when they were told that doctors had turned on a pacemaker-like implant in their brains, which blocks tremors, than when it was turned on covertly.

But in a similar experiment with Alzheimer's patients suffering pain, Benedetti found no difference between covert or expected dosing. The results are preliminary, he cautioned a meeting of the Society for Neuroscience last month. But it appears that because Alzheimer's robs patients of the cognitive ability to expect a benefit, they need higher doses of painkillers to get as much relief as non-demented patients.

Placebos aren't a substitute for real medicine. But the research suggests maybe doctors should try to manipulate patients' treatment expectations, for at least some hard-to-treat conditions.

"The bigger question is how do we capitalize on the placebo effect,'' said Dr. Helen Mayberg of Emory University, whose studies suggest some antidepressants have a "placebo-plus'' activity in the brain. "There may be a phenomenon we all have access to.''

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/ap_051128_placebo.html

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we create our reality through our beliefs....the placebo effect is the tip of the eyesberg...thus, the intense interest in belief system peddling by societies 'controllers'....if you think you are free, you will never look for an exit...physically, spiritually, emotionally.

dig it.

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#1. To: christine, diana, lodwick, axenolith, (#0)

Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'

gengis gandhi  posted on  2005-11-29   8:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

very interesting..your comment especially.

Pink Houses

christine  posted on  2005-11-29   8:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah, Jethro Tull, CAPPSMADNESS (#0)

*

Pink Houses

christine  posted on  2005-11-29   9:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Good stuff - I'm off to buy a monkey at the next exit.

Lod  posted on  2005-11-29   9:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Doesn't work.......... haven't won the Powerball.

LostBody  posted on  2005-11-29   9:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#3)

POSITIVE THINKING....

1. Hubby isn't a giant pain in my ass
2. Kids are not aliens who desire to live in garbage
3. I do not have too many dogs
4. Foil is not screwed up
5. Life does not suck - it BLOWS
6. I do not want to hack my entire household to pieces with a dull butter knife
7. The Laundry WILL EVENTUALLY get done
8. Life does not BLOW - it REEKS
9. I do not work with Palo Verde's dumber twin

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-29   17:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#6)

LOL!! Lemons to lemonade..uh I think?

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-29   17:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#6)

i think you may want to try some feng shui to change the energetic patterns of the house, it does work.

it may be wise to take a small vacation to regain your perspective, the contrast can be enlightening....

then, set a schedule for it...every three months, and on your last vacation, make your plans for the next one.

if you don't take care of yourself, who is to blame? the one you've given power to, by blaming them?

listen to your spirit, your body, it tells you what it wants...it will tell you what it doesn't like....

getting away can help regain that connection and the contrast will help the family members see what they're missing.

i would also look into some change type work for the people who are bothering you in life...if they are unwilling to change, then you may wish to live on property close to where you are, but away enough to not feel drained.

Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'

gengis gandhi  posted on  2005-11-29   18:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#6)

My god CAPPS, you're a pisser :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-11-29   18:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#6)

LOL, kelly!

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christine  posted on  2005-11-29   19:24:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Gillian Anderson will:

1. Call me
2. Dump the loser she's with
3. Drop the restraining order
4. Have breakfast ready for me in the morning

(this bullshit had better work....)

"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."

orangedog  posted on  2005-11-29   20:04:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: gengis gandhi, jethro tull, christine, zipporah (#8)

I think you may want to try some feng shui to change the energetic patterns of the house

What? re-arrange the clutter???

it may be wise to take a small vacation to regain your perspective, the contrast can be enlightening

The last time I did that - it involved eletro-therapy and much drooling afterwards - the crayons were nice tho...

if you don't take care of yourself, who is to blame? the one you've given power to, by blaming them?

BUT IT'S THEIR FAULT!!!!!

listen to your spirit, your body, it tells you what it wants...

YES! It wants me to attach a large plastic bag to the tail pipe of my car, start said car and put my head in the hole I just cut in the other end of said plastic bag

getting away can help regain that connection and the contrast will help the family members see what they're missing.

See above comment regarding electro therapy - they LIKE me drooling and uncommunicative

i would also look into some change type work for the people who are bothering you in life...if they are unwilling to change, then you may wish to live on property close to where you are, but away enough to not feel drained.

I already did THAT with my birth family - now I have to run away from the one I gave birth to? Hell - these aliens would find me if I moved to Mars..... Where's the drano???

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-29   22:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#12)

I know I can. I know I can. I know I can.

"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy

82Marine89  posted on  2005-11-29   22:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: 82Marine89 (#13)

Are you saying my ass is of locomotive proportions?

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-29   22:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: orangedog (#11)

(this bullshit had better work....)

cracking up!

Pink Houses

christine  posted on  2005-11-29   22:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#12)

Oh well :P

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-29   22:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#14)

Are you saying my ass is of locomotive proportions?

That would be caboose if I'm not mistaken. [:{)

"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy

82Marine89  posted on  2005-11-29   22:51:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#12)

have you heard of energetic parasites?

i will see what i can find and send it to you.

i just found out an employee of mine's son was being molested by an uncle. he is 5.

there is plenty of pain to go around, but you're needed here, now.

there are a great many who are feeling alienated now, myself included, and i believe we are in the hopi time of great purification...what does not serve your highest good will be brought forth with the purpose being to purge it.

there are a great many of us who are finding the old ways are not working, and we will find the better way....the learning is a personal thing, and many are stuck in experiential loops, meaning they are continuing in stuck patterns, and will remain so until they have gained the learning experience to move beyond these loops.

things will change, they will improve.

also, try some SAMe...it works great for the blues, i use it a couple times each winter. it is an antioxidant, but if you are taking other meds you should check to see that it is acceptable to take.

Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'

gengis gandhi  posted on  2005-11-30   12:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: orangedog (#11)

attempting to influence others for personal gain is a dark area....it does work, but you don't want that action, jack.

Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'

gengis gandhi  posted on  2005-11-30   12:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: gengis gandhi, Zipporah, Jethro Tull (#18)

ping to gg's post

christine  posted on  2005-11-30   12:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: gengis gandhi (#19)

attempting to influence others for personal gain is a dark area....it does work, but you don't want that action, jack.

I've got 31 Flavors of "dark." What I don't have is Scully making pancakes for me in the morning.

"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."

orangedog  posted on  2005-11-30   16:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine, gengis gandhi (#20)

Good stuff. What are SAMe...??

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-11-30   16:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: orangedog (#11)

Gillian Anderson ...

Just possibly the sexiest woman in the universe ... I love that pic, seen it before.

Phaedrus  posted on  2005-11-30   16:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull, CAPSMADNESS (#22)

http://www .lef.org/magazine/mag2005/jan2005_report_same_01.htm

an excellent site to bookmark, non profit org, fights the fda to get lifesaving medicines from abroad to americans, fights for health freedoms, very very good, all MDs & PHds, research from around the world. also see the fda holocaust museum to learn about the lifesaving therapies denied millions of americans, and the millions who die from fda approved drugs, and the corruption and conflict of interest betweeen the fda and drug companies, many who sit on the board of approval of the fda, having previously worked for the pharma cartel...Merck, is fucked up like a can of worms...at least 3000 injury/wrongful death lawsuits from Vioxx...my friend, you will see the lawyers bring the drug industry to their knees. too many lawyers...well, they'll find plenty of work, and it's a good thing, without them, the congress don't give a fuck, they're on the dole.

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SAMe A Natural Compound that Offers Safe, Effective Relief from Depression, Osteoarthritis, and Liver Disease

By Dale Kiefer

S-adenosyl-L-methionine, or SAMe, is a naturally occurring compound found in every cell in the human body. This ubiquitous substance is involved in many critical biochemical pathways. Although regulated as a prescription drug in Europe, SAMe is available in the US as a nutritional supplement. Extensive clinical research indicates that SAMe is a safe and effective remedy for depression, osteoarthritis, and liver disease, providing powerful relief without the side effects commonly associated with prescription medications.

SAMe and Depression Depression affects 10-15 million Americans each year, with costs in treatment and lost wages estimated to be as much as $53 billion a year.1 While many prescription drugs are designed to treat depression, they are not always effective and often are associated with troublesome side effects. Fortunately, SAMe appears to offer significant relief from depression.

In 2002, the US government published a comprehensive report entitled “S- Adenosyl-L-Methionine for Treatment of Depression, Osteoarthritis, and Liver Disease.”1 The report represents a distillation of data gleaned from numerous published studies conducted around the world through 2000. In order to render its unbiased verdict, the federal Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (a division of the US Department of Health and Human Services) evaluated data from 102 individual studies.

The agency carefully reviewed 47 relevant studies on SAMe and depression; 28 of these studies were included in a meta-analysis of the efficacy of SAMe in countering the symptoms of depression. The agency concluded, “Compared to treatment with conventional antidepressant pharmacology, treatment with SAMe was not associated with a statistically significant difference in outcomes…”1 In plain language, SAMe is just as effective as standard antidepressant drugs at treating depression. The report delivers similar endorsements for the efficacy of SAMe in the treatment of osteoarthritis and a form of liver disease.

This good news about SAMe’s efficacy in treating depression is especially important in light of recent news about antidepressants. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently imposed stern warnings regarding the risks associated with the use of the newest class of antidepressant drugs, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. A federal advisory panel responsible for scrutinizing the efficacy and safety of antidepressants for children announced its recommendation in September 2004, after debating the evidence for a year.

A “Black Eye” for Antidepressants The news for antidepressant drug manufacturers was, in fact, depressing. The panel found that SSRIs not only increase the risk of suicide for some younger patients, but also are often ineffective. The panel urged the FDA to impose its strongest caution—known as a black box warning—regarding the use of this class of antidepressants in children and adolescents.2 In October 2004, the FDA followed the recommendation and mandated warnings for all SSRI drugs.

The panel’s investigation came on the heels of several highly publicized incidents in which children and adolescents on the drugs committed suicide, and it highlighted the downside of antidepressant drugs.3 Although only Prozac® is approved by the FDA for the treatment of depression in children and adolescents, other medications such as Zoloft®, Paxil®, and Celexa® are also commonly prescribed to these populations. All of these drugs belong to the SSRI class of antidepressants and are believed to work similarly.

The US debate was prompted last year when British officials banned the use of all SSRIs, except Prozac®, for use in children. Despite that action, most experts agree it is unlikely that Prozac® is inherently safer than other SSRIs for use in children and adolescents. Although the various SSRIs differ chemically, their mechanism of action in the body is essentially the same. All inhibit activity at structures known as uptake pumps, located on nerve endings. Most affect the reuptake of serotonin from the synapses, or spaces, between nerve endings. Some affect another messenger chemical, norepinephrine, in a similar manner. These drugs are known as serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs).

Serotonin and norepinephrine are neurotransmitters that regulate mood, sleep, appetite, and emotion, and are involved in a variety of physiological and behavioral functions. By preventing the immediate reuptake of serotonin (and/or norepinephrine), more of the precious brain chemicals remain available to do their intended work.4,5

Antidepressant Therapy’s High Cost Unfortunately, even in adults, the depression relief afforded by SSRIs often comes at a steep price, and not just in monetary terms, though most SSRIs are far from inexpensive. The list of potential side effects includes headache, nausea, diarrhea, anxiety, sleep disturbances, weight gain, fatigue, and, most common of all, sexual dysfunction.6-8 The latter strikes up to 60% of patients taking SSRIs, and usually manifests as loss of libido, insufficient lubrication or arousal, or an inability to achieve orgasm.8,9 Among men who experience sexual side effects, erectile dysfunction occurs in up to 90% of cases.10 Understandably, many patients find this side effect particularly distressing.

Drug interactions with antidepressants are also a concern. Alcohol, the most common drug of all, may be especially risky. It causes potentially perilous sedation when mixed with antidepressants. Because of these side effects, many patients discontinue their medication at the risk of sinking back into depression. Not all patients respond to SSRIs, even when they do follow the dosage recommendations of the prescribing physician. Treatment failures range from 40% to 60%, and relapse rates are similarly discouraging. According to a recent report from Duke University Medical Center, an analysis of more than a decade of research on the subject shows that recurrence and relapse rates for drug-treated depression range as high as 80%.11 The same report noted that up to 44% of patients starting drug therapy discontinue taking the drug within three months. Many patients (28%) discontinue drug therapy due to intolerable side effects, often within the first month, before the drug takes effect.11

Although they are not perfect, the SSRIs are a vast improvement over previously available drugs and therapies for depression. In the first half of the twentieth century, physicians could offer little more than talk therapy or electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) as treatment for their patients with major depression. Although the former was often ineffectual, the latter works very well. However, ECT is time consuming, requires multiple treatments, and often produces some memory loss, as the brain is literally zapped with electrical current. Understandably, a certain amount of stigma is associated with the use of ECT. According to a survey of thousands of Consumer Reports subscribers who had recently undergone treatment for depression, talk therapy, while often useful, may require at least 13 sessions to achieve relief comparable to that available through drug therapy.12

Thus, when the first true antidepressant drug, a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI), was introduced in the 1950s, doctors hailed the dawn of a hopeful new era in the treatment of depression. But all was not rosy. MAOIs are particularly risky drugs; their side effects are numerous and often severe, and drug interactions are potentially fatal. The advent of tricyclic antidepressants in the 1960s marked a further advance in treatment. But even tricyclics, such as imipramine and amitryptyline, come with unpleasant side effects. Dosages must be carefully monitored, as therapeutic ranges are narrow and toxic overdoses are potentially fatal. Side effects tend to manifest quickly, but onset of action can take so long (from four to six weeks) that many patients discontinue the drug long before experiencing mood elevation.11,13

A Safer Alternative Fortunately, a safer alternative to antidepressant drugs exists. For more than 30 years, SAMe, a natural substance that occurs in abundance in every living cell of every organism,14,15 has been prescribed in Europe for the treatment of depression. It finally became available in the US in the 1990s, where it is used improve mood, alleviate osteo-arthritis, and promote liver health.

SAMe is believed to banish depression by increasing the synthesis of neurotransmitters that are crucial to normal mood, behavior, and emotion.16,17 Although normally abundant, SAMe levels decline with age and drop dramatically during bouts of depression. A noticeable drop in SAMe levels is also associated with neurological disorders such as Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, and dementia due to HIV complications.18-20

In the body, SAMe is assembled from two building blocks: methionine, a simple amino acid, and adenosine triphosphate (ATP), a molecule that provides energy to cells. SAMe is a sort of biological jack-of-all-trades. It assists in transforming other molecules into more useful entities through a variety of chemical reactions. As a methyl donor, it enables the brain to manufacture vital neurotransmitters, including dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine from substrate molecules. Methyl groups are chemical entities—one carbon atom and three hydrogen atoms—that are added to or subtracted from other molecules to change their properties, in essence switching the molecules on or off, and prompting them either to fulfill their potential or to remain dormant. By donating a methyl group to DNA, SAMe acts to regulate production of important proteins involved in everything from immune function to cellular growth and repair.19

One of the components needed to synthesize SAMe in the body is methionine. Without adequate supplies of methionine, SAMe production falters. It is interesting to note that maintaining healthy levels of methionine depends on adequate levels of folic acid and vitamin B12. Depression has been associated with a deficiency in either of these vitamins.21,22 The implication of this is that deficiencies of vitamin B12 and folic acid lead to deficiencies of SAMe, and thus to deficiencies in crucial neurotransmitters such as dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine—all of which require the help of SAMe for synthesis.

Comparable Yet Better Results Remarkably, in clinical trials, SAMe has proven to be just as effective an oral antidepressant therapy as the tricyclics.14,23,24 The tricyclics are, in turn, about as effective at relieving depression as the newer SSRIs,25 but SAMe has not yet been compared directly to any SSRIs. In clinical trials of SAMe versus a tricyclic and/or placebo, both SAMe and the tricyclic drug were judged equally effective at relieving depression, and both were significantly more effective than placebo.14,23,24,26,27

In fact, in numerous trials, the only significant difference noted between SAMe and a standard tricyclic favors the use of SAMe over the tricyclic: SAMe takes effect faster and has virtually no side effects. In a recent multi-center study conducted in Italy, for instance, researchers found that 1600 mg of SAMe taken orally each day provides the same antidepressant benefit as 150 mg per day

of the prescription tricyclic antidepressant imipramine. “However, significantly fewer adverse events were observed in the patients treated with SAMe,” wrote the researchers, in an article published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.14 By contrast, the side effects of imipramine and other tricyclics are so many, and some are so serious, that a vast majority of physicians now prescribes SSRIs rather than tricyclics.28

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SAMe A Natural Compound that Offers Safe, Effective Relief from Depression, Osteoarthritis, and Liver Disease By Dale Kiefer Treating Depression SAMe is not for everyone. Patients with bipolar disorder (manic depression) should avoid taking SAMe, as it may trigger anxiety or a manic episode. Also, in some clinical trials using especially high doses, some mild, transient gastrointestinal discomfort was reported. However, according to Richard Brown, MD, assistant professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University, most patients report feeling energized and healthier within days of starting SAMe therapy. Dr. Brown, along with leading SAMe authority Teodoro Bottiglieri, PhD, wrote Stop Depression Now: SAMe. Between them, they have many years of experience working with patients and SAMe, both in the laboratory and in clinical settings. The doctors note that SAMe has successfully treated depression in some patients who were considered treatment-resistant. In an interview with Life Extension, Dr. Brown praised the multiple benefits of SAMe, noting that at least 47 studies have demonstrated its effectiveness and tolerability. “Animals treated with it live longer and have healthier brains, long into old age . . . The studies really overwhelmingly show that SAMe is equal to other antidepressants,” says Dr. Brown. “But SAMe works faster, and with fewer side effects.” Dr. Brown uses SAMe in his private practice in Manhattan, prescribing it for the treatment of depression and even for conditions such as attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. “I use it constantly,” he says. “I think it’s really wonderful either alone or to augment standard antidepressants.” He notes that a government-sponsored clinical trial is currently under way investigating the use of SAMe in Parkinson’s disease. The clinical trial, which is now recruiting patients, is sponsored by the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, a division of the National Institutes of Health.29 Although its stated goal is to investigate SAMe for the treatment of depression in Parkinson’s disease (depression often accompanies the disease, and available antidepressant drugs tend to exacerbate primary symptoms), there is a chance that SAMe’s ability to boost dopamine levels will address the underlying cause of Parkinson’s itself. “My hope is that it will be classified as a drug one day, so insurance will reimburse patients,” says Dr. Brown. SAMe can be used safely in conjunction with standard antidepressants, and may even facilitate and hasten their effectiveness. Recommended dosages range from 400 to 1600 mg per day, taken on an empty stomach when possible. Some severely depressed patients may require even higher doses.15 SAMe may offer a safer alternative to potentially risky prescription drugs, particularly among children and adolescents. “There’s an epidemic of youth and teen suicide around the world,” says Dr. Brown. “In my opinion, we need to look at more natural approaches to the treatment of depression. I’m glad we have the medications that are out there, but I’m also glad we have alternatives.” Depression is a potentially serious illness, and people should never attempt self-medication without consulting a physician first. It is especially important not to discontinue antidepressant therapy suddenly if you are already taking an antidepressant, due to the risk of unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. But by working with your doctor, you may be able to lower your dose or slowly wean yourself off antidepressant medication, in combination with SAMe therapy.19 Micrograph of tissue showing cirrhosis of the liver, in which fibrous septa (membranes) divide the hepatic parenchyma into nodules and regenerative nodules develop in the surrounding hepatocytes. Ensuring Liver Health Since SAMe is responsible for facilitating more than 100 different reactions, it is not surprising that its activities are not restricted to the brain. SAMe serves a crucial role in healthy liver function, and by extension, in the very survival of the body. Indeed, one group of researchers has called SAMe “a control switch that regulates liver function.”30 Through a type of reaction known as transsulfuration, SAMe promotes the production of glutathione, the aptly nicknamed “master antioxidant” used throughout the body to control dangerous free radicals. In the liver, however, glutathione performs one of the organ’s most important functions: assisting in the removal of dangerous toxins.17 Glutathione accomplishes this feat of biochemical agility by attaching itself to toxic molecules such as pesticides ingested with food, and rendering them water soluble, and thus capable of being flushed from the body. When the liver is overtaxed by situations such as chronic alcohol abuse, glutathione levels may drop, decreasing the body’s ability to eliminate ethanol and other poisons. Severe liver damage may result.31 Supplemental SAMe has been shown to boost flagging glutathione levels, and has been used to treat cirrhosis and hepatitis, two highly prevalent conditions that plague victims of alcoholism.32,33 Because SAMe is so important to the liver, up to 80% of methionine in the liver is converted to SAMe. Oral SAMe has been shown to increase glutathione levels in the liver and red blood cells,34,35 and SAMe has been used to treat a variety of liver pathologies, including hepatitis, cholestasis, obstructive jaundice, and cirrhosis.17,30,33,36-40 It has been suggested that SAMe plays a role in preventing the development of liver cancer.41,42 In the laboratory, scientists have shown that SAMe’s ability to induce apoptosis is selective: cancerous liver cells are induced to commit suicide, while normal cells remain untouched.41 SAMe is also known to decrease the harmful effects of immune system chemicals called cytokines, which promote inflammation and pain.43-45 Spanish researchers on the cutting edge of molecular biology recently proposed yet another important role for SAMe, noting that it is converted to 5’- methylthioadenosine (MTA), a sulfur-containing molecule that is present in all mammalian tissues. MTA, the scientists propose, is a previously unrecognized yet important regulator of cellular functions. “MTA has been shown to influence numerous critical responses of the cell including regulation of gene expression, proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis,” according to the researchers.46 Apoptosis is the process by which cells are identified by the body for programmed suicide. It plays an important role in the destruction of abnormal cells that are cancerous or that may become cancerous. MTA appears to be yet another key molecule dependent on an adequate supply of SAMe.46-48 Promoting Healthy Joints SAMe not only benefits the brain and liver, but also serves as an effective treatment for osteoarthritis. Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis, affecting 15% of Americans at an annual cost of $95 billion. Unlike analgesics and anti-inflammatories such as aspirin and ibuprofen, or the prescription drugs Celebrex® and Bextra®, SAMe not only quells the joint inflammation associated with osteoarthritis, but also may reverse the cartilage degeneration that triggers inflammation in the first place. While anti- inflammatory drugs provide temporary relief from joint pain, there is no conclusive evidence that they stop the tissue degeneration that is the root cause of osteoarthritic pain and inflammation. In fact, evidence suggests that some anti-inflammatories may actually hinder healing.49 In contrast, a report published in the British Journal of Rheumatology concluded that SAMe reversed various indicators of joint tissue damage elicited in the laboratory by tumor necrosis factor-alpha, a dangerous cytokine implicated in a variety of inflammatory diseases.50 Other experiments have shown that SAMe increases proteoglycan synthesis and proliferation rate, thus providing chondroprotective effects.51,52 Proteoglycans attract and hold water, and water is crucial to cartilage’s function in the joints. Common sense and sound medical wisdom tell us that treating an underlying disease process is more beneficial than temporarily masking the symptoms generated by that disease process. Researchers at the University of Maryland published a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials of SAMe versus placebo or nonsteroidal anti- inflammatories (NSAIDs), such as aspirin or ibuprofen, for the treatment of osteoarthritis. A meta-analysis applies statistical methods to assess data from a variety of published trials. The researchers concluded, “SAMe appears to be as effective as NSAIDs in reducing pain and improving functional limitation in patients with osteoarthritis, without the adverse effects often associated with NSAID therapy.”53 Given that NSAID use is associated with potentially serious side effects such as gastrointestinal bleeding, NSAIDs may not be the best choice for the treatment of chronic arthritis pain. Italian researchers recently reported that symptoms of stomach-intestinal upset are estimated to affect 10-60% of NSAID users. Peptic ulcers are estimated to affect 10-30% of NSAID users, or 10-30 times the number affected in the general population.54 Researchers in Argentina evaluated the efficacy of SAMe versus the prescription anti-inflammatory drug Feldene® (piroxicam) in a double-blind, randomized, controlled clinical trial. A small group of patients received either 1200 mg of SAMe per day or 20 mg of piroxicam. Patients were evaluated for 84 days. “No significant difference was found between the two treatments in terms of efficacy and tolerability,” the researchers noted. But they added, “Patients treated with SAMe maintained clinical improvement achieved at the end of treatment longer than did patients receiving piroxicam.”55 Equivalent Efficacy, Better Tolerability A much larger study, conducted on 734 subjects with arthritis of the hip, knee, spine, or hand, was conducted at 33 clinics across Italy. Researchers compared oral SAMe therapy versus placebo and the NSAID naproxen in a double-blind study. SAMe at a daily dose of 1200 mg and naproxen at a daily dose of 750 mg were judged to be equally effective at relieving osteoarthritic pain, and both were significantly more effective than placebo. SAMe’s tolerability was significantly better than that of naproxen, as judged by both patients and physicians. More patients receiving inactive placebo withdrew from the study due to perceived side effects than did patients taking SAMe.56 Another randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind study conducted at two sites in Indiana evaluated the efficacy of SAMe versus placebo in the treatment of knee osteoarthritis. Patients received 400 mg of SAMe intravenously for five days, followed by 23 days of oral therapy with 600 mg of SAMe. Control-group patients received similar doses of inactive placebo. Patients at the site that initially had milder symptoms showed “significantly greater reduction in overall pain and rest pain than the placebo-treated group,” wrote the researchers. The response among patients at the other site, where cases of osteoarthritis were judged to be more severe, did not achieve statistical significance.57 A long-term study conducted in Germany noted that SAMe therapy induced improvement in clinical symptoms of osteoarthritis within the first weeks of treatment, and found that relief continued unabated for the entire two years of the study period. Patients received 600 mg of SAMe daily for the first two weeks, then 400 mg per day for the remainder of the study period. “SAMe showed good clinical effectiveness and was well tolerated,” noted the researchers, adding that “SAMe administration also improved the depressive feelings often associated with osteoarthritis.”58 By contrast, researchers at Kings College Hospital in London published the results of a randomized, placebo-controlled, five-year study of the long-term efficacy of NSAIDs for the treatment of osteoarthritis, concluding: “Our results do not show long-term benefits from the use of NSAIDs in [osteoarthritis] and the majority of patients had persisting pain and disability despite therapy.”59 Moreover, there is evidence that some NSAIDs may adversely affect joint cartilage. Popular cyclooxygenase (COX-2) inhibitors such as Celebrex®, though effective at relieving inflammation, have not been shown to favorably affect cartilage.49 Less Expensive Alternative to Drugs Speaking of Celebrex® (celecoxib), a recently published report from researchers at the University of California, Irvine, concluded, “SAMe . . . is as effective as celecoxib in the management of the symptoms of knee osteoarthritis.”60 In a randomized, double-blind crossover study, researchers assigned 56 patients to receive either 1200 mg of SAMe or 200 mg of celecoxib daily for four months. Although Celebrex® brought relief faster, SAMe was ultimately judged equally effective in improving various subjective and objective measures of joint pain and functionality.60 Given the high cost of prescription anti-inflammatories, SAMe appears to be a superior choice for anyone wishing to treat mild to moderate osteoarthritis while saving money at the same time. 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Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'

gengis gandhi  posted on  2005-11-30   16:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: gengis gandhi (#18)

have you heard of energetic parasites?

Why yes, I gave birth to two of them

there is plenty of pain to go around, but you're needed here, now.

I am? Want to enlighten me as to why? And while you are at it - enlighten me also as to why my "needed time here" sucks to hig heaven and appears to be a somewhat short stay.

the hopi time of great purification

HUH????? I do not hold to hopi-hope, whatever it is.

there are a great many of us who are finding the old ways are not working, and we will find the better way....the learning is a personal thing, and many are stuck in experiential loops, meaning they are continuing in stuck patterns, and will remain so until they have gained the learning experience to move beyond these loops.

This constant loop - is this where I am supposed to say "stop the world, I want to get off" now?

things will change, they will improve

Yea, I have heard that every day for 38 odd years, it's getting a bit old now.

also, try some SAMe...it works great for the blues, i use it a couple times each winter. it is an antioxidant, but if you are taking other meds you should check to see that it is acceptable to take.

I don't have "the blues", I have the homocidals, the maniacles and the mind-fucks, not to mention, I am a tad on the bitchy/whiney side as well.

Thank you for your advice, well meaning as it is - but I think I will go shoot some poor living creature now, drink a cup of coffee and take at least 3 of my 16 meds.

Your pissy but otherwise congenial friend,
Cappy

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-30   18:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#25)

I guess now is the time I should post the song High Hopes? :P

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-30   18:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Zipporah (#26)

I know where you live Zip - NOT a good idear.....

;0/

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-30   19:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#27)

I know where you live Zip - NOT a good idear.....

(maybe I should rethink that)

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-30   19:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Zipporah (#28)

Confusionces say you is very smart for a round-eye!

;0)

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-30   19:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#29)

Hey I want to live to see tomorrow! (why, I have no clue)

http://my.dreamwiz.com/alley74/rm/Annie-Tomorrow.ram

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-30   19:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Zipporah (#30)

I hate you........................

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-30   19:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#31)

I hate you........................

You do? I always thought, to know me is to love me? :P

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-11-30   19:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Zipporah (#32)

onlt until you post THAT

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-11-30   19:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#25)

no one can answer those but you.

you asked to come here for the experience...we all volunteered.

it's all a sim anyway, darling...

read the Robert Monroe trilogy.

the law of attraction? you attract to you what you put out....give away your power by claiming victim status, regardless of justification, and you are, in fact, powerless...

here in the US we have entire segments of the population with victim mentality...they have remained in poverty for generations because they have accepted the identity of victim...

access the warrior archetype...become a mind viking....slay all thoughts which do not serve you....

you may like 'way of the peaceful warrior' by dan millman.

Whenever people ask me, 'hey, you know what you should do? I always say 'What? Buy a monkey?'

gengis gandhi  posted on  2005-11-30   20:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: gengis gandhi (#34)

slay all thoughts which do not serve you

Change "thoughts" to "people" and you have a deal.

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-12-01   5:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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