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Title: Zimmerman juror from Chicago speaks out: He 'got away with murder'
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URL Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ ... icago-20130725,0,4361149.story
Published: Jul 25, 2013
Author: staff
Post Date: 2013-07-25 15:38:33 by Horse
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Views: 2905
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A juror in the George Zimmerman trial who had recently moved to Florida from Chicago said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology to Martin's parents.

"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, identified only as Juror B29 during the trial, told ABC's "Good Morning America. "We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence."

She said the evidence, under Florida law, did not prove murder.

The court has sealed the jurors' identities. While she allowed her face to be shown during the interview, she used only a first name of Maddy.

The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury. Zimmerman, 29, is Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black.

But Maddy insisted that the case was never about race, at least to her. "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy told the show.

When the jury began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge.

"I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said.

But on the second day of deliberations, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Zimmerman admitted he shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintained he fired in self-defense.

"That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty."

The juror said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. "I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said.

"As much as we were trying to find this man guilty. . .they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth. And the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told."

She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down."

"It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said.

Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face.

Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch.

Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own.


Poster Comment:

Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.

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#11. To: Horse (#0)

Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch.

Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own.

I guess George Zimmerman should have time his beat-down to shoot Saint Trayvon during the last second he was conscious and then passed out, that's the only way he could have got any sympathy from the rabble-rousers who want his head served on a platter.

X-15  posted on  2013-07-25   22:06:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: X-15 (#11)

I guess George Zimmerman should have time his beat-down to shoot Saint Trayvon during the last second he was conscious and then passed out, that's the only way he could have got any sympathy from the rabble-rousers who want his head served on a platter.

Seems to me that the juror who talked all that stupid $#it, about how he "got away with murder" really doesn't understand that people kill (not murder) other people when it's a matter of self defense every day. Trayvon Martin would have killed Zimmerman if Zimmerman hadn't killed him. I don't blame Zimmerman one iota for defending himself.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-07-25   22:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

Now you know why some cops carry a "throw-down": they don't want ANY doubts when they have to shoot somebody under less-than-ideal circumstances. Zimmerman was right in defending himself, but he had no way of knowing that it would blow up in his face like it did.

X-15  posted on  2013-07-25   22:33:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: X-15 (#13)

I imagine that he has wished every day since then that he had not gotten out of his truck. That being said, he did nothing illegal. Trayvon sucker punched him and from the looks of things was trying to injure him very seriously and, in my opinion, would not care if he had killed him.

I can't even imagine how someone as double minded as this juror seems to be ever makes it through the day.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-07-25   22:52:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon sucker punched anyone. You are blindly accepting Zimmerman's version of how the fight started as an article of faith.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-07-25   23:30:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: strepsiptera (#15)

Actually there is evidence, circumstantial, but evidence. The one good eyewitness gave a description that best fit St. Trayvon as being on top of Zimmerman beating his head into the concrete. The wounds, the back of his skull, broken nose, and the witness testimony clearly indicate that Zimmerman was telling the truth. The Jury, which appears to have been predisposed to convict, acquitted him, and are now running for cover because of all of the hatreds inflamed by the stilted, biased, Perception Management Press coverage. Combined of course with the blather emanating from the orifice of the Usurper-In-Chief who clearly demonstrated his "objectivity" or lack thereof. It has been clear from almost the beginning that this regrettable incident was the result of poor judgement, and racial animosity, on the part of St. Trayvon the immaculate.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-25   23:39:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#18)

There is circumstantial evidence that based on very minor cuts to the back of the head of Zimmerman, thatTrayvon was on top for at least some part of the fight. There is no proof, other than taking Zimmerman's word for it that anyone was having their head bashed in. The injuries are not severe enough to prove that. Zimmerman's story makes it sound like he was in imminent danger of skull fracture. There is simply no proof for that.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-07-25   23:59:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: strepsiptera (#24)

here is circumstantial evidence that based on very minor cuts to the back of the head of Zimmerman, ...

There is nothing "circumstantial" about it. The photographs taken clearly show that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of his head. As well you ignore the fact that his nose was also broken. Both of those are consistent with BOTH Zimmerman's account and that of the one eyewitness close enough to observe what was going on. The eyewitness's account most clearly indicts St. Trayvon as being on top while he beat the shit out of Zimmerman.

It seems to me that you are trying to excuse St. Trayvon's behavior in any way you can by trying to assert Zimmerman as having been guilty of aggressive behavior toward Trayvon. And again you would like to rearrange the stipulated, witnessed facts, that Zimmerman was not injured and that it was he, not Trayvon, that was on top DESPITE the eyewitness testimony which indicates that St. Trayvon was on top.

A man who is fighting for his life against an aggressor threatening to kill him and who is beating his head into the ground at the time can be reasonably be expected to be in fear for his life.

As well St. Trayvon was carrying on him 2 of the 3 ingredients required for making the street drug lean. One of the side effects observed of lean users is their inclination toward irrational rages.

Zimmerman's story makes it sound like he was in imminent danger of skull fracture. There is simply no proof for that.

So, are you arguing that the photograph showing the cuts and bleeding on the back of Zimmerman's head are false, or that a man on the receiving end of the kind of force necessary to create them, while having his nose broken, cannot have a reasonable fear for the safety of his life?

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-26   0:35:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#32)

Stalking someone with a gun is aggressive behavior.

Trayvon doesn't need to be injured for Zimmerman to be guilty of assault. If Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon then Zimmerman would be guilty of assault and Trayvon's punch would be self defense.

Robitussin is the only one of those ingredients which is even a drug. The other two things do nothing. A drug without the active ingredient is not a drug.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-07-26   1:03:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: strepsiptera (#37)

Stalking someone with a gun is aggressive behavior.

And your proof that Zimmerman was stalking pooooooooor Trayvon, is? Zimmerman was the local Neighborhood Watch Captain in a mixed neighborhood that had been subject to multiple break ins and burglaries over the preceding months. He had already, in earlier incidents, shown a willingness to help and defend neighbors some of which were elderly and black. In all cases where the criminals conducting the break-ins and burglaries were observed they were black youths. Trayvon, from Zimmerman's 911 call, WAS behaving suspiciously; peering into unlit houses and appearing to be casing the neighborhood. That is consistent with prior events, and Trayvon, if not for political correctness, should have already been reported to the police as a locker search at school yielded stolen property and what was described as a burglary tool. Oh, and the Jury was not allowed to be told that, or the multiple times Trayvon had been ejected from school for his violent behavior, but they nevertheless did not see enough evidence to convict. Even without knowing Trayvon's criminal history.

"Robitussin is the only one of those ingredients which is even a drug. The other two things do nothing. A drug without the active ingredient is not a drug. "

You seem addicted to strawman arguments. Your argument is logically equivalent to saying that finding someone with Hydrosulfuric acid and Glycerin does not mean that they had no intention of acquiring some nice Nitric Acid in order to finish making a batch of Nitroglycerin.

No, having 2 of the 3 ingredients for making a drug is not clear proof of intent. However, again if you go and look at Trayvon's online postings he clearly knew what the ingredients required were, had used it in the past (remember the autopsy found liver damage i.e., deposits not normally found on the liver of a healthy clean and sober 17 year old), and his postings show at least one attempt to "score" some codeine online.

Again you are clutching at straws and trying to absolve pooooooooor St. Trayvon who by all records and accounts was a violent little thug who used drugs.

Sorry, but all you can do at this point is try to obfuscate and evade. Unfortunately, all modesty aside, I am too schooled in logic to fall prey to such tactics.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-26   1:24:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Original_Intent (#39)

In all cases where the criminals conducting the break-ins and burglaries were observed they were black youths.

Being the same race as someone who committed a crime does not make you a criminal. Zimmerman jumped to the conclusion that Trayvon was a criminal based primarily on his race. That is why race is an issue in this case. Zimmerman sounds paranoid and delusional on the 911 tape. There is no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was doing anything criminal or even suspicious on the night that he was killed.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-07-26   1:45:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: strepsiptera (#42)

Being the same race as someone who committed a crime does not make you a criminal.

No it does not, but when you are in a neighborhood at night "casing" houses it is reasonable, and prudent, to ask if that suspicious person is up to no good. Zimmerman did not try to arrest him, he merely kept tabs on him while he called 911. There is nothing aggressive in that and given the history of the neighborhood, and Trayvon's behavior, it was not unreasonable to question what he was doing.

Again you can't have "your own" "facts". What we can observe and draw from conclusions from is what is in evidence.

Zimmerman was the Neighborhood Watch Captain and so it was entirely reasonable for him to keep tabs on suspicious behavior. I've been on the Neighborhood Watch and I have had a couple of incidents where I did have to call 911. So, was my keeping a watch on the neighborhood an aggressively criminal offense? Did my keeping watch entitle the people I was keeping tabs on to attack me?

Just remember: "When seconds count the Police are only minutes away."

And again Zimmerman did not draw a conclusion that Trayvon was behaving suspiciously because of his race, it was because he was behaving suspiciously. Remember the 911 tape? Zimmerman was not even sure of the race of the person he was following until the 911 Operator asked him and he looked. Even then he was not sure - his answer to the question was, "I think he's black." That is also the reason for Zimmerman's defamation lawsuit as ABC Snooze edited the tape and cut out all of the intervening words thus creating a false impression in their reporting.

Gee, that sure sounds like Klan material to me. /sarcasm

There is no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was doing anything criminal or even suspicious on the night that he was killed.

Oh, really? Pray do tell? Given that Zimmerman called 911 and the description of suspicious behavior is on the tape perhaps you can pull out your crystal ball and decipher it for us.

And again it was SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR that, from the 911 tape, caught Zimmerman's eye, not the color of Trayvon's hide which he was not sure of till the 911 Operator asked him to look.

Again, you are welcome to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-26   2:13:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Original_Intent (#44)

The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood, which Zimmerman chose to subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia. Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. Zimmerman was not a neutral person trying to investigate the situation. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-07-26   11:49:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: strepsiptera (#74)

The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood

subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia

Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him.

He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape.

Circumstantial.......you have no proof what so ever that this was all he was doing. You do not know what he was doing. You only have your opinions about what he was doing.

You are subjectively interpreting what Zimmerman was doing. You do not know what it was based on.....or you ignore what it was based on. You insert paranoia when you have nothing to base this on. What we do know is that Zimmerman was a neighborhood watchman. He watched the neighborhood. He called the police to report his suspicion.

Show me hard evidence that Trayvon wasn't up to anything suspicious. Define suspicious.

He calmly answered the questions posed by the police respectfully. What are you calling belligerent? What is hostile? I didn't hear it. Again, you are subjectively interpreting the data.

abraxas  posted on  2013-07-26   12:33:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach, strepsiptera (#79)

The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood

subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia

Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him.

He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape.

Ol' "twisted-winged parasites" head is going to explode with anger about this news...

nationalreport.net/george...ed-by-their-juvenile-son/

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George Zimmerman filed a civil suit today just before 5PM EST at the Seminole County, Florida, Courthouse. The suit alleges the parents of Trayvon Martin, failed to control their minor-age son on the evening of February 26, 2012, when Martin repeatedly assaulted Zimmerman, placing him in imminent fear for his life and resulting in the death of Martin.

The civil action specifies that Zimmerman acted in self defense resulting in the case being ruled a justifiable homicide by a jury trial that ended on Saturday with a verdict of not guilty.

Desperate state prosecutors charged the victim with 2nd degree murder though they had no evidence of a crime and hoping to stay off more violence and having Florida put to the torch at the criminal hands of rioters months before the start of the state’s tourist season. The complaint further specifies Zimmerman shares “zero-liability” in the death of Martin as he acted without malice and solely in self-defense. The amount of damages Zimmerman is seeking are unspecified.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-07-26   15:05:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: scrapper2, abraxas, , James Deffenbach, strepsiptera, titorite (#83) (Edited)

It was interesting reading through the comments on the thread that you linked to.

The argument seems to come down to four primary categories:

Those who assume Trayvon is innocent because he was black.

Those who assume Zimmerman is guilty because he is NOT black.

There is a small leavening of White Racists, but most of the real racism evident is Blacks assuming Zimmerman had to be guilty because he is NOT black.

Then there is the group which is looking at the actual evidence and asking, "What does the evidence show?"

In other words for those who are on the "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" side of the argument it is ALL about race, and the assumption that because Zimmerman IS NOT black that he has to be guilty of stalking "Poooooooooooor St. Trayvon" regardless of what the evidence seems to show. As well is the factor of media bias where the images presented in the major media (over and over and over again) are all several years old showing Trayvon as a 13 or 14 year old kid. That imagery stuck. The major lamestream media has focused on those photos as opposed to more recent ones showing "Poooooooooooor St. Trayvon" with his "Grillwork", his comments on smoking dope, his highly sexualized violent streak, and his search for the ingredients to make "lean". Lean is an important element here as it, per users comments online, tends to induce psychoses and violent behavior. Of course acknowledging that is inconvenient to the "Pooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" Crowd so they attempt to ignore it or evade it by calling people rayciss for daring to notice those facts.

The other side is looking at the evidence, which includes "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon's known, and proven, drug use, his own online comments that he likes fighting, that he was trained as a Martial Artist, had a history of criminality such as being kicked out of school for picking fights, and having stolen property found in his locker at school. As well we have the eyewitness testimony placing "Pooooooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" on top applying a serious beat down of George Zimmerman combined with the physical evidence of the beat down.

The "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" crowd keeps trying to divert from the facts, invent facts and suppositions that are either not relevant or not in evidence (such as assuming and arguing contrary to the evidence that "Pooooooooor St. Trayvon who appeared to be casing the neighborhood actually was just walking nonchalantly down the street and assuming without any evidence to support the contention that Zimmerman initiated contact with "Poooooooooooor St. Trayvon, and appear to have reached a conclusion based on their own prejudices and suppositions rather than on the available facts).

It is unfortunate that the young MAN (he was a 5' 11" Football Player not a little defenseless child) made some poor judgements and, by the evidence, apparently made an unprovoked attack on an armed man. I would also point out to the "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" crowd that "Billy the Kid" was 16 when he killed his first man. Billy, by the way, was white.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-26   16:29:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Original_Intent (#84)

It is unfortunate that the young MAN (he was a 6'3" Football Player not a little defenseless child)

I believe the autopsy report said 5'11" 156 Lbs.. Just saying.

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-07-26   16:49:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Hmmmmm, all (#88)

I did check and you are substantially correct. Per the autopsy (pdf here: media.cmgdigital.com/shar...rayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf ) he was 71 inches (5' 11", 158 pounds) and 158 pounds. Still not the size of a "child".

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-26   17:03:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Original_Intent (#90)

Still not the size of a "child".

I'd dig him up and shoot'em again as a warning. I just didn't think you'd want that discrepancy out there.

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-07-26   17:27:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Hmmmmm (#94)

Still not the size of a "child".

I'd dig him up and shoot'em again as a warning. I just didn't think you'd want that discrepancy out there.

Thanks. And ping to my above.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-26   18:22:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Original_Intent (#96)

Thanks for the ping, this damn bozo filter relieves of suffering through idiocy I used to endure.

I think I've said before that I did not follow the (show) trial but that does not mean that I didn't examine the available facts of the case. How many of these "conflicted" jurors would be in that state if they had been presented with the exculpatory evidence suppressed by the prosecution and the judge, or if the verdict had been different it seems this trial was bound to be overturned.

I did watch the video of the lovely Miss Dee Dee, and I've got to tell ya I do admire Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon's taste in wimmen.

I also must admit to having the sympathy of a parent of a child for Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon's parents until today when I learned of them concealing facts in the case. (although I did know the prosecutor had)

With the law and evidence presented you'd have to be a retard to conclude that Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was "murdered"

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-07-26   22:29:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#117. To: Hmmmmm, James Deffenbach, abraxas, christine (#101)

With the law and evidence presented you'd have to be a retard to conclude that Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was "murdered"

It was a show trial - a "Dog & Pony" show. There was more going on here than the prosecution persecution of George Zimmerman. I don't know whether the intent was to create a race war with this event, to just add another log to the fire, or what? The Persecution had to know in advance that they had no case, and despite repeated questionable rulings, in the Persecution's favor, by da Judgette, Zimmerman was still exonerated. The blatherings of the weepy jurors after the fact really proves nothing, and, as you said, if the Jury had been allowed possession of all of the relevant facts the outcome would have been even more clear cut, and the media might have been forced to at least give lip service to reporting the relevant background data showing this young man's warped mindset.

This is best viewed as a PsyOp. Oh'bummer's stupid commentary was only to throw gasoline on the fire. Whether it was to draw attention away from his own criminality and scandals, to plant a deep seed that opposition to his criminality is based on race, or to foment rioting to provide a pretext for Martial Law is indeterminate from the available data set. However, that there was some hidden agenda at play I have no doubt. I just do not have enough data to get a clearer reading.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-27 15:00:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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