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Title: Zimmerman juror from Chicago speaks out: He 'got away with murder'
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Published: Jul 25, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-07-25 15:38:33 by Horse
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A juror in the George Zimmerman trial who had recently moved to Florida from Chicago said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology to Martin's parents. "You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, identified only as Juror B29 during the trial, told ABC's "Good Morning America. "We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence." She said the evidence, under Florida law, did not prove murder. The court has sealed the jurors' identities. While she allowed her face to be shown during the interview, she used only a first name of Maddy. The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury. Zimmerman, 29, is Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black. But Maddy insisted that the case was never about race, at least to her. "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy told the show. When the jury began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge. "I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said. But on the second day of deliberations, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Zimmerman admitted he shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintained he fired in self-defense. "That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty." The juror said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. "I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said. "As much as we were trying to find this man guilty. . .they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth. And the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told." She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down." "It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said. Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face. Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch. Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own. Poster Comment: Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.
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Many women, however, need to be spanked once a day and twice on Sundays. I'll say this, though: when people act like normal people, I act like a normal guy. On the other hand, when they do not, they are always surprised at what a psycho I am. You know Justin Carter was arrested for less than what you have typed there.... Thank god we don't have many Canadians here. And yes you belittle women and blacks and everything that is not your old ugly ass so Ima haveta say you just an ol dirty hater :p ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
160 and 5'11' .. I could kick his ass.
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Where have you got all this information? please link me. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
I'd dig him up and shoot'em again as a warning. I just didn't think you'd want that discrepancy out there. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
There are multiple accounts about his background. Just run a quick search on it. There have even been articles posted on 4um with the basic facts. If people would just examine the facts before they jump to conclusions we would all be engaging in a bit more rational discussion. Witness: Trayvon Martin Attacked George Zimmerman 'MMA Style' Link: www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov.../Trayvon-MMA-style-attack Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George ...: www.thesmokinggun.com/bus...-zimmerman-witness-758903 Media Bias: TrayvonMartin Glorified, Baby Antonio Santiago: victorygirlsblog.com/?p=12909 Trayvon texted about fighting, marijuana & guns | HLNtv.com: www.hlntv.com/article/201...ghting-marijuana-and-guns -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By John Dewar Gleissner Trayvon Martin claimed in a text message to be a gangsta. We should take him at his word and see if that had any role in his death. Was Trayvon Martin a Gangsta? Trayvon Martin was a gangsta. How do we know? That’s a title he claimed for himself in a text message. Trayvon Martin fit the profile of a gangsta fairly well. A “gangsta” or perhaps “wannabe gangsta” in the case of Trayvon Martin is variously defined by the following factors, characteristics or criteria: Wannabe thug : Trayvon Martin talked about fighting in some of his last text messages and according to the evidence at the Zimmerman trial was acting like a thug on the night of his death, because he attacked George Zimmerman after Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon Martin. Age : At age 17, Martin had entered the age and gender cohort, with high testosterone levels, that commits a disproportionate share of the violent, theft and drug crimes in America. Zimmerman had reached age 28, the age at which the human brain on the average reaches maximum development, at the end of that same crime-prevalent cohort. Male Gender : Gangstas are young men. 93% of incarcerated prisoners in America are male. George Zimmerman was male, of course, and had demonstrated some of the same aggressive tendencies that ended up getting them both in trouble. Less Education : Martin had disciplinary problems in high school, was not an enthusiastic student, and was well on his way to being a high school dropout. At the time of his death, Trayvon Martin was serving his third school suspension, because they found a marijuana pipe and a bag with marijuana residue in it. Statistically, an African American male who drops out of high school has a 60% chance of winding up in prison. Anti-Social : A screwdriver and ladies jewelry were found in Trayvon Martin’s back-pack by school authorities, suggesting he was involved in theft or burglary offenses. One of the most significant factors correlated with a lower crime rate is being married. Zimmerman was married and had a job; Trayvon Martin was unmarried, did not have a job and was suspended from school. Zimmerman was in communication with the police; previous to his death, Trayvon Martin complained about the police. Gangs : Hangs around gangs. We do not know if Trayvon Martin was in a gang, but he had tattoos. Immediately before his death, Trayvon Martin’s mother kicked him out of her house and made him go live with his father. Neither parent was sure where he was the night of the shooting, nor did they file any missing person reports. They found out the next day. African-American subculture : Trayvon Martin was an African American aspiring to or reaching the gangsta subculture. Places graffiti on buildings : This is one reason why Trayvon Martin was suspended from school on one occasion. Macho & “Bad” Image : Trayvon Martin referred to women by the “b” word and otherwise demonstrated a gangsta image. His Facebook and other internet photos showed someone shooting birds at the camera, not smiling, with his shirt off, smoking, and otherwise posing in the macho-man bad-ass role. Trayvon Martin appears to have acted in response to the status challenge of Zimmerman, a typical scenario for shootings and deaths involving young men. Violent : Trayvon Martin’s cell phone texts revealed a history of fighting and a propensity for violence. The prosecution objected to the text messages and they were excluded. Martin admitted in a text message that he’s a “gangsta.” Martin’s older half-brother wanted Trayvon Martin to teach him, the older half-brother, how to fight. All the physical evidence shows that Martin was the aggressor, as does the account of George Zimmerman. Martin did not retreat to his father’s residence as he could have, but instead went back to look for trouble. Zimmerman of course should have stayed in his car. George Zimmerman’s nose and head showed signs of being struck by an enraged, physically developed Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman was diagnosed with a closed fracture of his nose, two black eyes, lacerations to the back of his head, a minor back injury, and bruising in his upper lip and cheek. (Emphasis mine) Other than the bullet hole, Martin’s corpse only had a small abrasion on his left ring finger below the knuckle, the exact place where an injury would be on a fighting fist. By all accounts, there was fighting before the gunshot that killed Trayvon Martin. An escalating series of events characterizes most fist-fights and assaults and many homicides. Absence of Religion : This absence runs like a thread through gangsta rap, gangsta culture and gangsta behavior. This is something the ministers who praise his character ought to consider. Owns or admires weapons : Trayvon Martin articulated an interest in obtaining a gun. A picture of a gun was found on Trayvon Martin’s cell phone. According to Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin said he would use Zimmerman’s gun on Zimmerman. In one text message, when Trayvon Martin said he was a gangsta, his friend advised him not to take a bullet in his chest – and of course that’s exactly what ended up happening to Trayvon Martin. Trayvon Martin did not have every characteristic of a gangsta, but he was well on his way at the time of his death. These gangsta leanings help explain his death, as do the actions of George Zimmerman. The escalating series of events on the night of this death, involving two aggressive young men, was unfortunately more typical of shooting deaths than Trayvon Martin’s cause celebre status suggests. The Zimmerman Trial generates debate about the social ills of our country. One thing is clear: The death of Trayvon Martin was about much more than mere skin color. The protestations of racism conceal deeper social problems we see clearly in the gangsta culture. Read more: www.digitaljournal.com/article/354769#ixzz2aBvAUfS4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, I would think the evidence is pretty clear IF people are willing to put aside their preconceptions, and prejudices, and simply look at the facts objectively and let them speak for themselves instead of emoting and assuming that "Pooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" had to be innocent because the horrible "Rayciss" George Zimmerman (Who was Hispanic, black, and Jewish) just had to be as it is the "only" thing that 'splains how "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" met his untimely end. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just to add another: Jack Cahill at WorldNetDaily: www.wnd.com/2013/07/judge-tosses-trayvons-mma-texts/ In still one more of her prosecution-friendly rulings in the second degree murder trial Florida v. George Zimmerman, Judge Debra Nelson ruled on Wednesday that the jury will not see the many texts and photos on Trayvon Martin’s phones dealing with guns and fighting. The ruling followed a lengthy, televised presentation by phone expert Richard Connor Tuesday night on the contents of Martin’s phone. Although the jury was not present, the media were and have no excuse for not reporting what Connor revealed. As the texts made clear, the Martin family attorneys knew what they were doing when they moved to seal Martin’s school records even before the story went public. This exchange between Martin and a female friend on Nov. 21, 2011, three months before his death, spoke to where his life was heading. After he told her he was “tired and sore” from a fight, she asked him why he fought. “Bae” is shorthand for “babe.” MARTIN: Cause man dat nigga snitched on me FRIEND: Bae y you always fightinqq man, you got suspended? MARTIN: Naw we thumped afta skool in a duckd off spot FRIEND: Ohh, Well Damee MARTIN: I lost da 1st round :( but won da 2nd nd 3rd . . . . FRIEND: Ohhh So It Wass 3 Rounds? Damn well at least yu wonn lol but yuu needa stop fighting bae Forreal MARTIN: Nay im not done with fool….. he gone hav 2 see me again FRIEND: Nooo… Stop, yuu waint gonn bee satisified till yuh suspended again, huh? MARTIN: Naw but he aint breed nuff 4 me, only his nose The fight followed the mixed martial arts (MMA) format. A day later, he would tell a friend that his opponent “got mo hits cause in da 1st round he had me on da ground nd I couldn’t do ntn.” As his girlfriend complained, Martin was “always” fighting. He was also something of a sadist. His opponent, after all, did not bleed enough. Why might this be relevant? Jonathan Good, the closest of the eyewitnesses to the shooting, testified last week that a there was a “black man in a black hoodie on top of either a white guy … or an Hispanic guy in a red sweater on the ground yelling out help,” and that black man on top was “throwing down blows on the guy MMA [mixed martial arts] style.” On Nov. 22, the day after the MMA-style fight, Martin told a friend that his mother “just kicked me out” and that he had to move in with his father. When the friend asked why, Martin answered, “Da police caught me outta skool.” Said the friend, “U a hoodlum.” “Naw,” said Martin. “I’m a gangsta.” On Dec. 21, 2011, Martin told a friend, “dam I just got in trouble 4 sum sh** I aint even do.” His mother, Sybrina Fulton, was dismayed. “Pack up your clothes now,” she texted him. On Dec. 22, Martin confided to a girlfriend, “I got in trouble.” She asked, “What did you do now.” As was typical, Martin took no responsibility. “I aint do ntn . . . . call me.” On the day before Christmas, his mother texted Martin, “I’m concerned about u but I’m praying for u and I want U to pray for yourself EVERYDAY, ok.” She was texting the son she used to know. On Jan. 6, 2012, Martin got into trouble at school again. When asked why, he told a friend, “Caus I was watcn a fight nd a teacher say I hit em.” Said the friend, “Idk how u be getting in trouble an sh**.” By this time, Martin’s mother had thrown him out of the house for “fightn,” and he had moved in with his aunt and uncle. The multiple texts about “weed” and the photos of marijuana plants confirmed Martin’s interests in drugs. On Feb. 21, five days before the shooting, “Weedhead” – as a friend called Martin – took the bus for Orlando to stay with his father’s girlfriend, Brandy Green. Martin was free to travel because his school had suspended him again, this time for possession of marijuana and a pipe. The bust did little to sober him up. “I hid m weed,” he confided to a girlfriend, afraid that he might have been searched before the trip. He texted later that day, “I got weed nd I get money Friday.” The text and photos pointed to an even more dangerous new hobby, namely guns. Indeed, one of the photos of Trayvon Martin’s showed a hand, likely Martin’s own, on a pistol. Guns excited him. “U got heat??” he enthused upon learning that a friend had access to a gun. On the bus trip to Orlando, Martin was negotiating to buy a handgun with a friend. “U wanna share a .380?” he asked. Upon leaving Miami, Martin seemed to be growing angrier. On Feb. 21, he texted a girlfriend who was pouting about another girl, presumably in Sanford. Wrote Martin, “f***z u cuz I neva text ha 2 day I made dat sh** up so u leav me df alone bout it.” Two days later, on Feb. 23, a friend tried to warn Martin off some behavior that troubled even the friend. “I ain’t ya parent,” he texted him, “but gsh** thro it away.” Martin was not in the mood to be lectured to. “Y u gotta knock my hustle??” he shot back. One of the more indicative messages revealed by Connor came from Martin’s younger half-brother, Demetrius Martin. Last seen in the media crying as he remembered his brother during a “March for Peace,” this message had Demetrius asking Martin when he was “going to teach me to fight.” If Zimmerman is convicted, insiders think Nelson’s ruling so inappropriate that it will get the conviction overturned and perhaps even get the case dismissed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I could continue to pile it on, but I am not interested in offending but in making my point. Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was neither a saint nor without a record to show that he was inclined toward violent behavior. I'd dig him up and shoot'em again as a warning. I just didn't think you'd want that discrepancy out there. Thanks. And ping to my above. Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was neither a saint nor without a record to show that he was inclined toward violent behavior. If that fat leftie menopausal hag Judge had permitted Zimmerman's defense lawyers to admit Travyon's texts and photos to the jury, there wouldn't be so much mis-informed anger in black communities or false lionizing of the violent drug addled punk or uninformed posters like titorite. "In still one more of her prosecution-friendly rulings in the second degree murder trial Florida v. George Zimmerman, Judge Debra Nelson ruled on Wednesday that the jury will not see the many texts and photos on Trayvon Martin’s phones dealing with guns and fighting. The ruling followed a lengthy, televised presentation by phone expert Richard Connor Tuesday night on the contents of Martin’s phone. Although the jury was not present, the media were and have no excuse for not reporting what Connor revealed. As the texts made clear, the Martin family attorneys knew what they were doing when they moved to seal Martin’s school records even before the story went public.
Yes, the Judge's mis-ruling was one of the more egregious ploys to try to ensure a conviction when the evidence clearly showed self-defense. Despicable.
It is possible that he didn't mean to kill Zimmerman, just beat him up, but Zimmerman had no way of knowing that at the time. Civilized people don't go around attacking other people like that when they have not done anything to them.
God is always good!
When you have someone with the IQ of a grape on top of you their intent doesn't matter,as you said Civilized people don't go around attacking other people like that when they have not done anything to them. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Thanks for the ping, this damn bozo filter relieves of suffering through idiocy I used to endure. I think I've said before that I did not follow the (show) trial but that does not mean that I didn't examine the available facts of the case. How many of these "conflicted" jurors would be in that state if they had been presented with the exculpatory evidence suppressed by the prosecution and the judge, or if the verdict had been different it seems this trial was bound to be overturned. I did watch the video of the lovely Miss Dee Dee, and I've got to tell ya I do admire Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon's taste in wimmen. I also must admit to having the sympathy of a parent of a child for Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon's parents until today when I learned of them concealing facts in the case. (although I did know the prosecutor had) With the law and evidence presented you'd have to be a retard to conclude that Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was "murdered" “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Anyone who watched that trial could see, or should have been able to see, that that idiot judge was pro prosecution all the way and it didn't matter what the facts were. Paul Craig Roberts
great job on this thread, you two.
really
LOL
It's all circumstantial and relative. good one
A+ outstanding summation
is that enough for you,titorite?????????
lmbo! you go, girl.
lololol ;P
Merci' Madame bon. :-)
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha I'm almost sorry I missed the dumbshit on this thread, but I finally had to use the Bozo filter. What I missed in discussion and collaboration I made up for in peace of mind.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
The "prosecution's" witnesses sealed the not guilty verdict. This was no accident. The prosecutor's were pissed off and wanted Zimmerman to walk because he hadn't committed a crime in the 1st place. The prosecution threw the case because they wanted to send the political race baiters a message. That message was "fucketh you" ! Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
Yeah, like fucking taxpayers that think they need to finance companies like Xe (blackwater) or Total Intelligence Solutions that are huge conscience-free mercenary companies that are orchestrating world-wide genocide. Funding the U.S. Inc. is tantamount to hiring a hitman only on a larger scale. Ya know, it's funny to hear asshats like Sean Hannity discuss congress cutting off funding for Obamacare but they never mention why Americans can't cut-off the funding of D.C. King George was a piker when compared to our modern day monstrosity. Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
Look man, the nigger's dead and can no longer show up and tell us lies. They "found" stolen items in his locker at school, his own tweets detail his gang banger mentality ... Trayvon fucked up. Every neighborhood needs a George Zimmerman or two or even a hundred. End of story.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
It was a show trial - a "Dog & Pony" show. There was more going on here than the This is best viewed as a PsyOp. Oh'bummer's stupid commentary was only to throw gasoline on the fire. Whether it was to draw attention away from his own criminality and scandals, to plant a deep seed that opposition to his criminality is based on race, or to foment rioting to provide a pretext for Martial Law is indeterminate from the available data set. However, that there was some hidden agenda at play I have no doubt. I just do not have enough data to get a clearer reading. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Zimmerman... the hispanic jew.... he has you way too many of you under his spell. fucking jews. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
The witnesses are direct. The injuries are circumstantial. Saying "I saw Trayvon hit Zimmerman" or "I saw Zimmerman shoot Trayvon" is direct evidence. Zimmerman has a bloody nose which could have been caused by Trayvon punching him is circumstantial evidence.
Snopes debunked the alleged gangbanger photos of Trayvon Martin which were actually of a different guy with the same name.
I would consider the line, "these assholes they always get away" to be highly belligerent.
No one on the prosecution side has ever claimed that Trayvon was a saint, but when you and others who agree with you engage in vicious character assassination in order to justify the murder of a child, you force those of us who have problem with how he was killed to defend him. Why is it unreasonable of me to attempt to defend Trayvon? Am I obligated to say that he was scum and deserved what happened to him just because that is how others choose to see it? You are using a phony condescending straw man argument.
Funny how you choose to defend this 17 year old gang banging "child", yet fail to do the same for some OTHER children who were maliciously and needlessly murdered by your chosen "people"... The Murder of 12-Year-Old Emily Haddock: Ignored in the Press Are you going to agonize over HER death, or are you going to tell us the poor little boys were just defending themselves against this wicked white girl? www.snopes.com/photos/politics/martin.as p Now you are REALLY pulling strawmen out of your ass. A COUPLE of images might have been fake, but there were plenty of REAL images that show the same thing. The one I posted was NOT included in Snopes debunking nor is it present on their website. So go ahead and show us how the image that I posted is "fake". Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "belligerent". Let me help you out... Zimmerman felt that Martin was acting in a manner which would make it highly likely that he was one of those burglars, thus made the comment. That is not being belligerent. Being belligerent would have been more like "get your f'in ass down here now so that you can catch this little bastard in the act before I shoot his nasty black ass". Now if he had said something like that then you'd have a leg to stand on. FL - you are right on both counts. The photo you posted in #78 is legit and it has nothing to do with the snopes-dust-throwing-trick by strepsiptera. Even ABC News ( a leftie icon) had an article with damaging photos of Saint Trayvon down loaded from his own friggin' cell phone. abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon...d-judge/story?id=19271093 And here's one with Saint Trayvon holding a gun.
Seems like several people here are choosing to ignore facts and common sense, and instead are waving the "big bad Jew murders unarmed child" BS flag. Wonder what motivates them. a. Trayvon was a minor. Not a child. legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/child child n. 1) a person's natural offspring. 2) a person 14 years and under. A "child" should be distinguished from a "minor" who is anyone under 18 in almost all states. b. vicious character assassination has been inflicted on Zimmerman not on Martin. Please get the wronged party right.
he has you way too many of you under his spell. fucking jews. Noticed you defending Martin as if he were your "brother" so to speak prior to logging in. As usual, you're on the wrong side of the fence here. Equally not surprising that you're trying to make this a "jew thing". You apparently have some serious obsession with Jews. Did a Jew steal your candy when you were a wee lad? To have maniacal hatred of someone just because of their religion or heritage, when all indications are that this person was a genuinely decent guy who loves to help people, well that's just a tad beyond sick and twisted. So whose spell are YOU under I wonder... If Martin had been a Jew and Zimmerman a black guy, I'm sure we would have never heard of this case, and if we did, you'd be on Zimmerman's side because he killed a Jew. A. He was NOT A CHILD. He was a 5'11" 17 year old wannabe gangsta', trained in martial art style fighting, which by his own posts we know he liked doing, and he liked to, sadistically, make other people bleed. B. His background is not used to "justify" the murder of a It is regrettable that this young man lost his life. However, in examining the situation and likely chain of events it is the EVIDENCE, not the prejudices and petty bigotries, that must be examined. It is the LIE and false portrayal of "Poooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" as some innocent "babe" that necessitates exposing his less than innocent past in order to demonstrate that the false portrayal IS FALSE. In the pursuit of the truth of the matter the false portrayal of this little wannabe gangsta' as an "innocent young babe" is a LIE, AND IT IS A KNOWING LIE, by the people seeking to lynch George Zimmerman for the crime of defending his life against the irrationally predatory behavior of an out of control young thug. Had that been done he might well still be alive today. It seems to me in examining all of the arguments of "Pooooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon's" apologists that the one thing that is paramount in their consideration of how this young thug got himself killed is his race, and the race of the man who had to defend against this predator. First George Zimmerman was portrayed as "white" by a media that knew better, then the media (ABC Snooze) made an edited propaganda tape of his 911 call, and then the race pimps got involved. Despite all of the evidence which stands unrefuted the people bearing "Poooooooooor St. Trayvon's" banner keep coming back to "he had to be innocent cuz' he was black, and Zimmerman had to be guilty because he wasn't. That "Poooooooooor St. Trayvon" was a predator is made abundantly clear by his own postings and his having been found in possession of what was most likely stolen jewelry. Bringing into evidence his past behavior is very much valid in assessing what we are most likely dealing with and the truth runs directly contrary to the false image portrayed in the media, by the Race Pimps, and those who unthinkingly, invincible to evidence, jump in with their racist assumptions. I have no more "tolerance" for black racists than I do of any other variety. They all share one common denominator irrational hatred of anyone who looks different than they. The real crime here is that he was not turned over to the police for that probable loot from a burglary because the school did not want to make the black crime statistics in the schools look worse. Had that been done, instead of trying to hide the likely crime, the young man might still be alive as we would have been pulled up short. However, that is speculation not fact. So, take your petulant excuses, false perceptions, and racist assumptions, and please to stick them where the sun does not shine. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Haven't read that but wouldn't be surprised if it's come up in pro-Trayvon posts (Zimmerman might seem to be a Jewish sounding name to some folks) because although Jewish activists organized the black civil rights marches, it's always been an uneasy alliance between the 2 groups. eg. Al Sharpton Zimmerman's Mom, Gladys, was a devout Catholic. Zimmerman's Dad, Robert, was a Baptist. As is often the case in many families, the main caretaker - Mom Zimmerman - raised the Zimmerman children in the Catholic faith. George Zimmerman served as an altar boy for 10 years. www.reuters.com/article/2...man-idUSBRE83O18H20120425 snip Robert and Gladys met in January 1975, when George Mesa brought along his army buddy to his sister's birthday party. She was visiting from Peru, on vacation from her job there as a physical education teacher. Robert was a Baptist, Gladys was Catholic. They soon married, in a Catholic ceremony in Alexandria, and moved to nearby Manassas. Gladys came to lead a small but growing Catholic Hispanic enclave within the All Saints Catholic Church parish in the late 1970s, where she was involved in the church's outreach programs. Gladys would bring young George along with her on "home visits" to poor families, said a family friend, Teresa Post. "It was part of their upbringing to know that there are people in need, people more in need than themselves," said Post, a Peruvian immigrant who lived with the Zimmermans for a time. Post recalls evening prayers before dinner in the ethnically diverse Zimmerman household, which included siblings Robert Jr., Grace, and Dawn. "It wasn't only white or only Hispanic or only black - it was mixed," she said. Zimmerman's maternal grandmother, Cristina, who had lived with the Zimmermans since 1978, worked as a babysitter for years during Zimmerman's childhood. For several years she cared for two African-American girls who ate their meals at the Zimmerman house and went back and forth to school each day with the Zimmerman children. "They were part of the household for years, until they were old enough to be on their own," Post said. Zimmerman served as an altar boy at All Saints from age 7 to 17, church members said. "He wasn't the type where, you know, 'I'm being forced to do this,' and a dragging-his-feet Catholic," said Sandra Vega, who went to high school with George and his siblings. "He was an altar boy for years, and then worked in the rectory too. He has a really good heart." George grew up bilingual, and by age 10 he was often called to the Haydon Elementary School principal's office to act as a translator between administrators and immigrant parents. At 14 he became obsessed with becoming a Marine, a relative said, joining the after-school ROTC program at Grace E. Metz Middle School and polishing his boots by night. At 15, he worked three part-time jobs - in a Mexican restaurant, for the rectory, and washing cars - on nights and weekends, to save up for a car. After graduating from Osbourn High School in 2001, Zimmerman moved to Lake Mary, Florida, a town neighboring Sanford. His parents purchased a retirement home there in 2002, in part to bring Cristina, who suffers from arthritis, to a warmer climate. On his own at 18, George got a job at an insurance agency and began to take classes at night to earn a license to sell insurance. He grew friendly with a real estate agent named Lee Ann Benjamin, who shared office space in the building, and later her husband, John Donnelly, a Sanford attorney. "George impressed me right off the bat as just a real go-getter," Donnelly said. "He was working days and taking all these classes at night, passing all the insurance classes, not just for home insurance, but auto insurance and everything. He wanted to open his own office - and he did." In 2004, Zimmerman partnered with an African-American friend and opened up an Allstate insurance satellite office, Donnelly said.
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#92. To: Original_Intent (#90)
#93. To: Original_Intent (#89)
However, the rest stands. He was a Football Player, a trained Martial Artist, drug user, and had a history of violent behavior which had gotten him kicked out of school on multiple occasions.
#94. To: Original_Intent (#90)
Still not the size of a "child".
#95. To: titorite, James Deffenbach, abraxas, strepsitera, Lod, Jethro Tull, FormerLurker, christine, all (#93)
Op-Ed: Was Trayvon Martin a Gangsta?
Uses and/or sells drugs : His text messages praised marijuana smoking and THC metabolites were found in his body during the autopsy.
Two of the items he purchased at the grocery store the night of his death were considered ingredients for Purple Drank, a dangerous concoction made with cough syrup, Arizona Tea and Skittles (or other candy). He was interested in codeine. Trace elements of other drugs were also found in the toxicological analysis.
A photo of a small potted marijuana plant was found on Trayvon Martin’s cell phone. Trayvon Martin may or may not have been smoking marijuana in his posted photographs. As stated above, one of his school suspensions was for having a marijuana pipe and a bag with marijuana residue in it.
This opinion article was written by an independent writer. The opinions and views expressed herein are those of the author and are not necessarily intended to reflect those of DigitalJournal.com Judge tosses Trayvon's MMA texts
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#96. To: Hmmmmm (#94)
Still not the size of a "child".
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#97. To: Original_Intent, titorite (#95)
I could continue to pile it on, but I am not interested in offending but in making my point.
#98. To: scrapper2 (#97)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#99. To: FormerLurker (#78)
#100. To: RickyJ (#99)
It is possible that he didn't mean to kill Zimmerman, just beat him up,
#101. To: Original_Intent (#96)
#102. To: Original_Intent (#98)
Yes, the Judge's mis-ruling was one of the more egregious ploys to try to ensure a conviction when the evidence clearly showed self-defense. Despicable.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#103. To: Original_Intent, abraxas (#56)
#104. To: scrapper2 (#60)
Why are you supporting a homophobic drug dealing thief, anyhow?
#105. To: James Deffenbach (#70)
Some folks don't need facts and evidence, they have feewings.
#106. To: FormerLurker (#76)
Martin might have stolen Zimmerman's gun and shot himself accidently.
#107. To: Original_Intent (#84)
#108. To: Original_Intent, titorite (#95)
#109. To: scrapper2 (#97)
If that fat leftie menopausal hag Judge
#110. To: Hmmmmm (#100)
When you have someone with the IQ of a grape on top of you
#111. To: christine, abraxas (#103)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#112. To: christine (#107)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#113. To: christine (#110)
#114. To: abraxas (#65)
Sheesh, the prosecution in this case was a bunch of boobs, nothing to fear. Did you see how they handled their own star witness?
#115. To: James Deffenbach, All (#69)
They sound like people who might still believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus.
#116. To: strepsiptera, All, All cry-babies supporting the nigger thug (#24)
#117. To: Hmmmmm, James Deffenbach, abraxas, christine (#101)
With the law and evidence presented you'd have to be a retard to conclude that Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was "murdered"
prosecution persecution of George Zimmerman. I don't know whether the intent was to create a race war with this event, to just add another log to the fire, or what? The Persecution had to know in advance that they had no case, and despite repeated questionable rulings, in the Persecution's favor, by da Judgette, Zimmerman was still exonerated. The blatherings of the weepy jurors after the fact really proves nothing, and, as you said, if the Jury had been allowed possession of all of the relevant facts the outcome would have been even more clear cut, and the media might have been forced to at least give lip service to reporting the relevant background data showing this young man's warped mindset.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#118. To: all (#0)
#119. To: Jethro Tull (#81)
#120. To: FormerLurker (#78)
#121. To: FormerLurker (#77)
#122. To: Original_Intent (#84)
poooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorooooooooooooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon
#123. To: strepsiptera (#122)
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No one on the prosecution side has ever claimed that Trayvon was a saint, but when you and others who agree with you engage in vicious character assassination in order to justify the murder of a child, you force those of us who have problem with how he was killed to defend him.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#124. To: strepsiptera (#120)
Snopes debunked the alleged gangbanger photos of Trayvon Martin which were actually of a different guy with the same name.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#125. To: strepsiptera (#121)
I would consider the line, "these assholes they always get away" to be highly belligerent.
1) waging war; specifically : belonging to or recognized as a state at war and
protected by and subject to the laws of war
2) inclined to or exhibiting assertiveness, hostility, or combativeness
Stating that "these assholes they always get away" is in reference to the burglars that had been breaking into homes in the neighborhood and getting away with it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: FormerLurker, strepsiptera (#124)
FL: Now you are REALLY pulling strawmen out of your ass... The one I posted was NOT included in Snopes debunking nor is it present on their website.
#127. To: scrapper2 (#126)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#128. To: strepsiptera (#122)
vicious character assassination in order to justify the murder of a child
#129. To: titorite (#118)
(Edited)
Zimmerman... the hispanic jew....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#130. To: strepsiptera, scrapper2, abraxas, , James Deffenbach, titorite, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, all (#122)
No one on the prosecution side has ever claimed that Trayvon was a saint, but when you and others who agree with you engage in vicious character assassination in order to justify the murder of a child
child young thug, but to make the point that the lynch mob chasing George Zimmerman bearing the banner of St. Trayvon are the real racists here. That they are trying to excuse his behavior in order to condemn and lynch a man who, by all of the available EVIDENCE, was attacked and put, by St. Trayvon, in the position of having to defend his life. While there are pieces that suggest that George Zimmerman could have followed a more prudent course of action that does not JUSTIFY "Pooooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" attacking "the nasty ass "Cracka".
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#131. To: FormerLurker (#127)
(Edited)
instead are waving the "big bad Jew murders unarmed child" BS flag.
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