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Title: Zimmerman juror from Chicago speaks out: He 'got away with murder'
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URL Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ ... icago-20130725,0,4361149.story
Published: Jul 25, 2013
Author: staff
Post Date: 2013-07-25 15:38:33 by Horse
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Views: 2913
Comments: 284

A juror in the George Zimmerman trial who had recently moved to Florida from Chicago said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology to Martin's parents.

"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, identified only as Juror B29 during the trial, told ABC's "Good Morning America. "We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence."

She said the evidence, under Florida law, did not prove murder.

The court has sealed the jurors' identities. While she allowed her face to be shown during the interview, she used only a first name of Maddy.

The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury. Zimmerman, 29, is Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black.

But Maddy insisted that the case was never about race, at least to her. "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy told the show.

When the jury began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge.

"I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said.

But on the second day of deliberations, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Zimmerman admitted he shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintained he fired in self-defense.

"That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty."

The juror said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. "I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said.

"As much as we were trying to find this man guilty. . .they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth. And the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told."

She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down."

"It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said.

Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face.

Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch.

Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own.


Poster Comment:

Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.

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#11. To: Horse (#0)

Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch.

Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own.

I guess George Zimmerman should have time his beat-down to shoot Saint Trayvon during the last second he was conscious and then passed out, that's the only way he could have got any sympathy from the rabble-rousers who want his head served on a platter.

X-15  posted on  2013-07-25   22:06:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: X-15 (#11)

I guess George Zimmerman should have time his beat-down to shoot Saint Trayvon during the last second he was conscious and then passed out, that's the only way he could have got any sympathy from the rabble-rousers who want his head served on a platter.

Seems to me that the juror who talked all that stupid $#it, about how he "got away with murder" really doesn't understand that people kill (not murder) other people when it's a matter of self defense every day. Trayvon Martin would have killed Zimmerman if Zimmerman hadn't killed him. I don't blame Zimmerman one iota for defending himself.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-07-25   22:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

Now you know why some cops carry a "throw-down": they don't want ANY doubts when they have to shoot somebody under less-than-ideal circumstances. Zimmerman was right in defending himself, but he had no way of knowing that it would blow up in his face like it did.

X-15  posted on  2013-07-25   22:33:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: X-15 (#13)

I imagine that he has wished every day since then that he had not gotten out of his truck. That being said, he did nothing illegal. Trayvon sucker punched him and from the looks of things was trying to injure him very seriously and, in my opinion, would not care if he had killed him.

I can't even imagine how someone as double minded as this juror seems to be ever makes it through the day.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-07-25   22:52:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon sucker punched anyone. You are blindly accepting Zimmerman's version of how the fight started as an article of faith.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-07-25   23:30:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: strepsiptera (#15)

Actually there is evidence, circumstantial, but evidence. The one good eyewitness gave a description that best fit St. Trayvon as being on top of Zimmerman beating his head into the concrete. The wounds, the back of his skull, broken nose, and the witness testimony clearly indicate that Zimmerman was telling the truth. The Jury, which appears to have been predisposed to convict, acquitted him, and are now running for cover because of all of the hatreds inflamed by the stilted, biased, Perception Management Press coverage. Combined of course with the blather emanating from the orifice of the Usurper-In-Chief who clearly demonstrated his "objectivity" or lack thereof. It has been clear from almost the beginning that this regrettable incident was the result of poor judgement, and racial animosity, on the part of St. Trayvon the immaculate.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-25   23:39:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#18)

There is circumstantial evidence that based on very minor cuts to the back of the head of Zimmerman, thatTrayvon was on top for at least some part of the fight. There is no proof, other than taking Zimmerman's word for it that anyone was having their head bashed in. The injuries are not severe enough to prove that. Zimmerman's story makes it sound like he was in imminent danger of skull fracture. There is simply no proof for that.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-07-25   23:59:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: strepsiptera (#24)

here is circumstantial evidence that based on very minor cuts to the back of the head of Zimmerman, ...

There is nothing "circumstantial" about it. The photographs taken clearly show that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of his head. As well you ignore the fact that his nose was also broken. Both of those are consistent with BOTH Zimmerman's account and that of the one eyewitness close enough to observe what was going on. The eyewitness's account most clearly indicts St. Trayvon as being on top while he beat the shit out of Zimmerman.

It seems to me that you are trying to excuse St. Trayvon's behavior in any way you can by trying to assert Zimmerman as having been guilty of aggressive behavior toward Trayvon. And again you would like to rearrange the stipulated, witnessed facts, that Zimmerman was not injured and that it was he, not Trayvon, that was on top DESPITE the eyewitness testimony which indicates that St. Trayvon was on top.

A man who is fighting for his life against an aggressor threatening to kill him and who is beating his head into the ground at the time can be reasonably be expected to be in fear for his life.

As well St. Trayvon was carrying on him 2 of the 3 ingredients required for making the street drug lean. One of the side effects observed of lean users is their inclination toward irrational rages.

Zimmerman's story makes it sound like he was in imminent danger of skull fracture. There is simply no proof for that.

So, are you arguing that the photograph showing the cuts and bleeding on the back of Zimmerman's head are false, or that a man on the receiving end of the kind of force necessary to create them, while having his nose broken, cannot have a reasonable fear for the safety of his life?

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-26   0:35:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#32)

Stalking someone with a gun is aggressive behavior.

Trayvon doesn't need to be injured for Zimmerman to be guilty of assault. If Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon then Zimmerman would be guilty of assault and Trayvon's punch would be self defense.

Robitussin is the only one of those ingredients which is even a drug. The other two things do nothing. A drug without the active ingredient is not a drug.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-07-26   1:03:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: strepsiptera (#37)

Stalking someone with a gun is aggressive behavior.

And your proof that Zimmerman was stalking pooooooooor Trayvon, is? Zimmerman was the local Neighborhood Watch Captain in a mixed neighborhood that had been subject to multiple break ins and burglaries over the preceding months. He had already, in earlier incidents, shown a willingness to help and defend neighbors some of which were elderly and black. In all cases where the criminals conducting the break-ins and burglaries were observed they were black youths. Trayvon, from Zimmerman's 911 call, WAS behaving suspiciously; peering into unlit houses and appearing to be casing the neighborhood. That is consistent with prior events, and Trayvon, if not for political correctness, should have already been reported to the police as a locker search at school yielded stolen property and what was described as a burglary tool. Oh, and the Jury was not allowed to be told that, or the multiple times Trayvon had been ejected from school for his violent behavior, but they nevertheless did not see enough evidence to convict. Even without knowing Trayvon's criminal history.

"Robitussin is the only one of those ingredients which is even a drug. The other two things do nothing. A drug without the active ingredient is not a drug. "

You seem addicted to strawman arguments. Your argument is logically equivalent to saying that finding someone with Hydrosulfuric acid and Glycerin does not mean that they had no intention of acquiring some nice Nitric Acid in order to finish making a batch of Nitroglycerin.

No, having 2 of the 3 ingredients for making a drug is not clear proof of intent. However, again if you go and look at Trayvon's online postings he clearly knew what the ingredients required were, had used it in the past (remember the autopsy found liver damage i.e., deposits not normally found on the liver of a healthy clean and sober 17 year old), and his postings show at least one attempt to "score" some codeine online.

Again you are clutching at straws and trying to absolve pooooooooor St. Trayvon who by all records and accounts was a violent little thug who used drugs.

Sorry, but all you can do at this point is try to obfuscate and evade. Unfortunately, all modesty aside, I am too schooled in logic to fall prey to such tactics.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-07-26   1:24:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#39)

strepsiptera seems to be under the impression that you are entitled to your own opinon as well as your own facts. But the known facts of the case, not just supposition in the minds of people who weren't there, are consistent with the story Zimmerman told.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-07-26   1:30:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: James Deffenbach (#40)

My problem with the way you and others are looking at this is that you are accepting Zimmerman's word as some kind of absolute truth on issues on which there is no way of knowing for certain what happened. You have no evidence for a sucker punch, no evidence that the escalation from words to violence was done by Trayvon, no evidence that Trayvon was engaged in criminal behavior on the night he was killed, and no proof that Zimmerman was getting his head bashed into the cement.

If Zimmerman's version of events is so airtight that it is beyond question then why didn't he testify and why was he afraid of being cross examined?

The prosecution made a stupid mistake in allowing the video re-enactment tape. Had Zimmerman testified and been cross examined it is very likely that at least some parts of his story would have fallen apart.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-07-26   2:05:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: strepsiptera (#43)

Had Zimmerman testified and been cross examined it is very likely that at least some parts of his story would have fallen apart.

If Zimmerman's version of events is so airtight that it is beyond question then why didn't he testify and why was he afraid of being cross examined?

No, it isn't likely. Seven times Zimmerman gave up his right to the 5th and provided statements to the police.......SEVEN TIMES. All of which were presented at trial. Isn't that enough telling of the story? The story was consistent every time.

When an attorney advises a client not to take the stand, a smart defendant takes the advice. It has nothing to do with fear of being cross examined. This is another straw man because you didn't get the result you wanted.

Sheesh, the prosecution in this case was a bunch of boobs, nothing to fear. Did you see how they handled their own star witness? lol

abraxas  posted on  2013-07-26   10:06:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: abraxas (#65)

Sheesh, the prosecution in this case was a bunch of boobs, nothing to fear. Did you see how they handled their own star witness?

The "prosecution's" witnesses sealed the not guilty verdict. This was no accident. The prosecutor's were pissed off and wanted Zimmerman to walk because he hadn't committed a crime in the 1st place. The prosecution threw the case because they wanted to send the political race baiters a message. That message was "fucketh you" !

noone222  posted on  2013-07-27   3:52:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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