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Title: Zimmerman juror from Chicago speaks out: He 'got away with murder'
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Published: Jul 25, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-07-25 15:38:33 by Horse
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A juror in the George Zimmerman trial who had recently moved to Florida from Chicago said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology to Martin's parents. "You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, identified only as Juror B29 during the trial, told ABC's "Good Morning America. "We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence." She said the evidence, under Florida law, did not prove murder. The court has sealed the jurors' identities. While she allowed her face to be shown during the interview, she used only a first name of Maddy. The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury. Zimmerman, 29, is Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black. But Maddy insisted that the case was never about race, at least to her. "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy told the show. When the jury began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge. "I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said. But on the second day of deliberations, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Zimmerman admitted he shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintained he fired in self-defense. "That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty." The juror said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. "I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said. "As much as we were trying to find this man guilty. . .they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth. And the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told." She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down." "It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said. Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face. Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch. Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own. Poster Comment: Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.
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#144. To: Original_Intent (#133)
There is no such offense as being a "wannabe gangsta." Either document some evidence of gang activity or membership or drop the accusation. Etiher he was in a gang or he wasn't. Stop creating a department of precrime. This isn't minority report.
Based on what? There was a "Neighborhood Watch" formed in the neighborhood. Every burgler, break-in artist observed was a black youth. You might find that uncomfortable to contemplate but it happens to be true. George Zimmerman observed a young man who was behaving suspiciously - peering into windows of dark houses late at night. So, he called 911 and went to keep tabs on the possible criminal. So, are you saying then that the Captain of the local Neighbohood Watch formed because of a rash of crimes should have just closed his eyes and gone back to watching the Idiot Box? Thus being derelict in his duties? Give me a break! "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha And your point? Again you are trying to excuse "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon's" behavior by playing semantics. 18 is an arbitrary number for adulthood. On the frontier it was not uncommon for what we would consider kids to marry and establish a new family farm. At 17 he was old enough to know better and you are simply trying to excuse his behavior by playing word games. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Frequently. I will put it this way--if I were making a bet with someone I would not depend on snopes for the answer to whatever the question was. Paul Craig Roberts
I never said there was. However, and I already posted the links which you seem to have ignored, that demonstrated his behavior and attitudes, and they were not the behaviors and attitudes of an "Altar Boy". He, by his own profession, considered himself a gangsta' and considered it something "worthy" of aspiring to. Again and again you evade and ignore the documented evidence. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha He don't need no steenkin' evidence, he has feewings. Paul Craig Roberts
I wouldn't count on snopes for a reliable report of what day of the week it is. Snopes consists of two people, husband and wife, who are flaming liberal O'bots. They have been caught on more than one occasion jiggering the facts. Another Snopes Lie "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha He don't need no steenkin' evidence, he has feewings. An attitude typical of liberals, ideologues, the intellectually dishonest, and shills. 8 Traits of a Disinformationist: 1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility. 6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha And some countries terrorist militia groups use ten year olds as soldiers. Should we therefore eliminate all legal protections for children and say killing ten year olds is O.K.?
Show me one post where I have made an emotional non-rational argument. All you and Mr. Deffenbach have done is vent your spleens and call names. Show me the proof that Trayvon was committing a crime on the night he was murdered. Show me the proof that Trayvon initiated physical violence without provocation. You have no substantive arguments whatsoever.
I am not interested in your opinion of the website. Prove that the photo you posted of Trayvon Martin is an actual photo of the boy killed by Zimmerman or admit that you are lying.
You are being deliberately evasive. You posted an alleged photo of Trayvon and were called out on it. Put up or shut up.
Your rationale seems to be since he was black and "only" 17 years old he must be innocent, and Zimmerman must be guilty since he isn't black. So I was simply wondering why you're not all over that other incident like you are on this one. A) Zimmerman isn't even a Jew. B) Not all Jews agree with the politics of Zionism. As far as the Talmud, not all Jews take it literally if they give it any credence at all. It's like saying all Christians take the Bible literally, some do and some don't. But besides all that, it's one thing to exercise caution and yet another to froth at the mouth. PS: According the Bible, we are ALL God's Children. So no, the Jews are not the "children of the devil". Hatred, suffering, cruelty, and various other things are the FRUIT of the "devil" perhaps, but the "devil" has no "children". Now I know you are very likely a paid shill. Thanks for the confirmation. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation You have, minimally, used the following disinformation ploys in this thread. Whether intentional or not your tactics mirror that of a professional disinformationist. 2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit. 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact. 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues. 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. 15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place. 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues. 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Where did I say either of those things? Zimmerman admits he shot Trayvon. Trayvon was a minor. You are claiming Zimmerman was justified in murdering a minor. You are asking me to blame Trayvon for totally unrelated crimes committed by other black people. You have posted a sinister looking photo which you claim is Trayvon. You refuse to submit any documentation for this. Your pals on this thread then resort to the freerepublic like tactic of saying that only right wing websites may be used to refute right wing lies.
Who am paid by? Do you care to submit any evidence for this paranoid delusion or do you prefer to rely on cut and paste?
Zimmerman admits he shot Trayvon. Many people defend themselves with deadly force. So? Trayvon was a minor. A good number of minors commit robbery, rape, and murder. So? You are claiming Zimmerman was justified in murdering a minor. Yep. So? You are asking me to blame Trayvon for totally unrelated crimes committed by other black people. No, YOU are insisting that he MUST be innocent because he was a 17 year old black male, and Zimmerman wasn't. So you're trying to claim that it isn't, and insist that Martin never posted any sort of "sinister" images of himself or posted any gangster related material, ever. Is that correct? I know for a fact that people have posted "gangsta" photos of Trayvon that were photos of someone else. I am not going to accept any photo without valid documentation. There actually is a photo on gawker of Trayvon's body on the night he died. I consider that photo to be accurate.
The Trayvon photos are what he uploaded to social media and what he had on his phone. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I know for a fact that people have posted "gangsta" photos of Trayvon that were photos of someone else. One or two images may have been of someone else. MOST of them come from Martin's cellphone, facebook, or twitter pages. So what would you require, a signed certified letter from his mom telling you it's really him? BTW, do you have equal concerns about the images of him at a young age being portrayed as his current appearance in order to draw more sympathy? Do you have any issues with the doctored image of him in his hoodie making him appear more "angelic", removing his harder features? You know, the one that keeps getting plastered all over the television... Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation Your demand is basically a variation on these two disinformation tactics. 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha I am getting vibrations that are reminiscent of Ninpo or AGAviator. Birds of a feather anyway. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Your comments are enough evidence that you are using false logic and disinformation tactics. The references are simply for reference to illustrate the point. As for the rest of your diversion - Go fish. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Being that the "discussion" hinges on ignoring the facts and playing on emotion on the part of Miss/Mr/Ms strepsiptera, playing dumb, and simply regurgitating the talking points being spewed by our own versions of the Soviet Pravda, I'm sure you're on the right track.
Merci'. :-)
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha No, I have posted ACTUAL photos of Saint Trayvon. As for you telling me to shut up I don't take orders from whackadoodles. And anyone who believes that Trayvon Martin was an innocent lamb who had done nothing wrong and didn't initiate the beating that cost him his life is a whackadoodle. Paul Craig Roberts
Sadly enough, I am afraid he ain't playing. Paul Craig Roberts
Sadly enough, I am afraid he ain't playing. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha The features are exactly the same. How is that doctored? It's just a lighter exposure of the same photo. Is paler skin angelic?
Prove that it is an actual photo. I am not obligated to take your word for it, especially when right wing websites have been caught lying about it in the recent past.
I have not made any emotional claims. You have been caught lying and are calling me names because you don't like being called out on it.
So in you paranoid fantasy world asking for verification of a photograph being used to paint someone as a criminal is a disinformation tactic?????
Where have I relied on any photos you dispute the validity of in making my case? Nowhere of course. Most of my arguments have relied upon logic. I know that is kind of old fashioned but it has been a tried and true method of arriving at the truth for a number of centuries now, but then you have not seriously contested any of my fact based arguments with contrary facts. As for the photographs they are widely available, they were used in the video I posted way back, and they are available in multiple articles online. Which photos are you saying are not valid? The ones that were of a St. Trayvon 3 or 4 years ago before he got into drugs and playing gangsta'? I long ago learned not to play "go be my research librarian" for shills as you have exactly zero interest in valid photographs (that's not in your "playbook"). In fact I believe you have looked as you made, undocumented of course, reference to "some" photos "somewhere" that you "knew" were not valid from that wonderful bastion of All Knowledge (and disinformation) Snuffy Snopes. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that you are not really interested in valid photos, just in disputing any and all photos from whatever source. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha You keep making that "assertion" but I have yet to see YOU back it up with any valid references. Funny 'bout that. Of course that is not in your "playbook" either. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Trayvon's gal pal said - tah dah!- Trayvon hit first. Jeantel was the prosecutor's key witness. Case closed. See ya'. Please don't remember to vote. dailycaller.com/2013/07/1...-trayvon-hit-first-video/ snip In an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan on Monday, Jeantel revealed that she thought Martin had just “whooped ass” on George Zimmerman, which ultimately led to Zimmerman discharging his firearm and killing Martin.
Right. Trayvon was still sucking on his mommy's tit. Got it. What kind of a dumb a*s lame brain are you anyway? God I hope you're not some DHS intern or probationary hire on training wheels who is supposed to "infiltrate and provoke" political forums because then I'd really feel ripped off as a taxpayer. Shoon knows what I'm talking about. She's had to fire a lot of your kind.
Jeantel was the prosecutor's key witness. Case closed. That's the same gal pal who claimed to have heard people rolling around on wet grass over the phone: Trayvon Martin's 'Friend' Rachel Jeantel 'WET GRASS' Question - YouTube - 1 minute ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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#145. To: strepsiptera, scrapper2, abraxas, , James Deffenbach, titorite, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, all (#142)
I think that Trayvon was racially profiled based on minimal to non-existent evidence.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#146. To: strepsiptera, scrapper2 (#143)
Even if I grant you the point that there may be a legal distinction between 14 year olds and 17 year olds, he was still not an adult.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#147. To: strepsiptera (#141)
So are you claiming that snopes is wrong
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#148. To: strepsiptera (#144)
There is no such offense as being a "wannabe gangsta."
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#149. To: Original_Intent (#148)
Again and again you evade and ignore the documented evidence.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#150. To: James Deffenbach, strepsiptera (#147)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#151. To: James Deffenbach (#149)
Again and again you evade and ignore the documented evidence.
"Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world." ~ H. Michael Sweeney
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#152. To: Original_Intent (#146)
#153. To: Original_Intent (#151)
#154. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach (#150)
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#155. To: James Deffenbach (#147)
#156. To: strepsiptera (#140)
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Why should Trayvon be held responsible for crimes committed by other black people?? How is this even relevant??
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#157. To: RickyJ (#138)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: RickyJ (#138)
The Jews are the devil's children
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#159. To: strepsiptera, James Deffenbach, all (#154)
I am not interested in your opinion of the website. Prove that the photo you posted of Trayvon Martin is an actual photo of the boy killed by Zimmerman or admit that you are lying.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#160. To: FormerLurker (#156)
#161. To: Original_Intent (#159)
#162. To: strepsiptera (#160)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: strepsiptera (#160)
You have posted a sinister looking photo which you claim is Trayvon. You refuse to submit any documentation for this.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#164. To: FormerLurker (#163)
#165. To: strepsiptera (#160)
You have posted a sinister looking photo which you claim is Trayvon. You refuse to submit any documentation for this.
#166. To: strepsiptera (#164)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: strepsiptera (#164)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#168. To: strepsiptera, FormerLurker, abraxas (#164)
I know for a fact that people have posted "gangsta" photos of Trayvon that were photos of someone else. I am not going to accept any photo without valid documentation.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#169. To: FormerLurker (#166)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#170. To: strepsiptera (#161)
Who am paid by? Do you care to submit any evidence for this paranoid delusion or do you prefer to rely on cut and paste?
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#171. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#169)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#172. To: FormerLurker (#171)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#173. To: strepsiptera (#155)
You are being deliberately evasive. You posted an alleged photo of Trayvon and were called out on it. Put up or shut up.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#174. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#168)
9. Play Dumb.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#175. To: James Deffenbach (#174)
9. Play Dumb.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#176. To: FormerLurker (#167)
#177. To: James Deffenbach (#173)
#178. To: FormerLurker (#171)
#179. To: Original_Intent (#168)
#180. To: strepsiptera (#179)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#181. To: strepsiptera, James Deffenbach (#177)
especially when right wing websites have been caught lying about it in the recent past.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#182. To: strepsiptera (#153)
Show me the proof that Trayvon initiated physical violence without provocation.
#183. To: strepsiptera, Shoonra (#143)
Even if I grant you the point that there may be a legal distinction between 14 year olds and 17 year olds, he was still not an adult.
#184. To: scrapper2 (#182)
Trayvon's gal pal said - tah dah!- Trayvon hit first.
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