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Title: Zimmerman juror from Chicago speaks out: He 'got away with murder'
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Published: Jul 25, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-07-25 15:38:33 by Horse
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A juror in the George Zimmerman trial who had recently moved to Florida from Chicago said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology to Martin's parents. "You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, identified only as Juror B29 during the trial, told ABC's "Good Morning America. "We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence." She said the evidence, under Florida law, did not prove murder. The court has sealed the jurors' identities. While she allowed her face to be shown during the interview, she used only a first name of Maddy. The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury. Zimmerman, 29, is Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black. But Maddy insisted that the case was never about race, at least to her. "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy told the show. When the jury began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge. "I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said. But on the second day of deliberations, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Zimmerman admitted he shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintained he fired in self-defense. "That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty." The juror said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. "I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said. "As much as we were trying to find this man guilty. . .they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth. And the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told." She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down." "It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said. Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face. Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch. Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own. Poster Comment: Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.
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#173. To: strepsiptera (#155)
No, I have posted ACTUAL photos of Saint Trayvon. As for you telling me to shut up I don't take orders from whackadoodles. And anyone who believes that Trayvon Martin was an innocent lamb who had done nothing wrong and didn't initiate the beating that cost him his life is a whackadoodle. Paul Craig Roberts
Sadly enough, I am afraid he ain't playing. Paul Craig Roberts
Sadly enough, I am afraid he ain't playing. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha The features are exactly the same. How is that doctored? It's just a lighter exposure of the same photo. Is paler skin angelic?
Prove that it is an actual photo. I am not obligated to take your word for it, especially when right wing websites have been caught lying about it in the recent past.
I have not made any emotional claims. You have been caught lying and are calling me names because you don't like being called out on it.
So in you paranoid fantasy world asking for verification of a photograph being used to paint someone as a criminal is a disinformation tactic?????
Where have I relied on any photos you dispute the validity of in making my case? Nowhere of course. Most of my arguments have relied upon logic. I know that is kind of old fashioned but it has been a tried and true method of arriving at the truth for a number of centuries now, but then you have not seriously contested any of my fact based arguments with contrary facts. As for the photographs they are widely available, they were used in the video I posted way back, and they are available in multiple articles online. Which photos are you saying are not valid? The ones that were of a St. Trayvon 3 or 4 years ago before he got into drugs and playing gangsta'? I long ago learned not to play "go be my research librarian" for shills as you have exactly zero interest in valid photographs (that's not in your "playbook"). In fact I believe you have looked as you made, undocumented of course, reference to "some" photos "somewhere" that you "knew" were not valid from that wonderful bastion of All Knowledge (and disinformation) Snuffy Snopes. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that you are not really interested in valid photos, just in disputing any and all photos from whatever source. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha You keep making that "assertion" but I have yet to see YOU back it up with any valid references. Funny 'bout that. Of course that is not in your "playbook" either. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Trayvon's gal pal said - tah dah!- Trayvon hit first. Jeantel was the prosecutor's key witness. Case closed. See ya'. Please don't remember to vote. dailycaller.com/2013/07/1...-trayvon-hit-first-video/ snip In an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan on Monday, Jeantel revealed that she thought Martin had just “whooped ass” on George Zimmerman, which ultimately led to Zimmerman discharging his firearm and killing Martin.
Right. Trayvon was still sucking on his mommy's tit. Got it. What kind of a dumb a*s lame brain are you anyway? God I hope you're not some DHS intern or probationary hire on training wheels who is supposed to "infiltrate and provoke" political forums because then I'd really feel ripped off as a taxpayer. Shoon knows what I'm talking about. She's had to fire a lot of your kind.
Jeantel was the prosecutor's key witness. Case closed. That's the same gal pal who claimed to have heard people rolling around on wet grass over the phone: Trayvon Martin's 'Friend' Rachel Jeantel 'WET GRASS' Question - YouTube - 1 minute ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
She didn't witness the fight directly. She is guessing what may have happened based on being on the other end of a phone conversation. In the interview you linked, she says that she believes Trayvon swung after Zimmerman tried to grab him. Grabbing somebody is assault. Punching someone who has grabbed you is legally self defense. That is quite different from the "sucker punch" you keep insisting on.
So killing kids is O.K. With you so long as they are 15, 16, or 17?
I’ve never read a more illogical, tortured comment in my life. The laws of evidence prohibit your explanation. Circumstantial Evidence encompasses all evidence that is not direct evidence, or, if you like, direct evidence encompasses all evidence that is not circumstantial. Since you agree eyewitness testimony described TM giving Z an MMA style beat down, that would be direct evidence as would the resulting injuries. The judge saw it this way, there was no objection by the prosecution, and most importantly, the jury found Z Not Guilty as a result of such testimony.
what a stupid question. you know very well that is not what scrapper was implying. did you watch this video?
why would George Zimmerman repeatedly call for help if he were PLANNING on killing Trayvon Martin?
Why wouldn't he have shot him as soon as he saw him, instead of stalking him all around a development and waiting to get beat up?
Why bother calling the police to report a person you simply want to kill in cold blood?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
lol..she also claimed that Trayvon was giving Zimmerman an "ass whoopin'" when he was fatally shot.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I have not made any emotional claims. You keep jerking on the "but he was just a child minding his own business" chain. So that's an emotional statement rather than a factual comment. You have been caught lying and are calling me names because you don't like being called out on it. Oh really? Point out where I've lied, or apologize for making a false accusation. As far as names, what name have I called you? Are you blind? The harder features of his face have been removed, the skin tone is several shades lighter, and he appears more feminine in the doctored image. You have been shown proof, and plenty of it, by those of us who do not worship at the altar of Saint Trayvon. Yet you ignore all the facts presented to you and pretend that none of those facts are relevant and keep insisting that Zimmerman just killed Trayvon in cold blood and for no reason. I haven't used the clown filter in a long time but you certainly have me considering availing myself of it. Paul Craig Roberts
Dude, Jesus Christ himself called them the devil's children. God is always good!
Jesus Himself was born Jewish. Was his father the devil? You can't believe everything you read, especially when it was written by the very people you despise, or those who twisted those writings to say whatever they wanted them to say. The father of Jesus was/is God. The Jewish part of his lineage was through Mary who descended from King David.
Paul Craig Roberts
don't you and shoonra work for the same ADL organization?
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Jeantel was the prosecutor's key witness. Jeantel is also mental retarded. So her testamony is of no value. You know why she was the "key" super star wittness? because the outcome was rigged and the case was thrown before it began... Just how does Jeantel know trayvon hit first when she wasn't there? she didn't. Jeantel perjured herself alot that day trying to be helpful... the retard cow should pay the price for it but the perjury laws do not seem to apply to anyone in the zimmerman trial.... funny that. Gods honest truth is that nobody knows who threw the first punch. But we do know one voice was running around screaming for help. And standing your ground does not run from door to door in screaming for help only to be silenced at the end of a gun shot. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
And according to the eyewitness closest to the scene it was the man on the bottom who was screaming for help. The eyewitness's physical description of the man on the bottom fits George Zimmerman, and only George Zimmerman. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha There was no case. That's why the outcome was not guilty. Black white blue purple green - whatever color the young thug might be - he should not have attacked and tried to cause grave bodily injury to another human being. Trayvon got what he brought on himself. The person whose head he tried to smash into concrete defended himself and rightfully so. Wake up.
In polite circles, she's been dubbed aka Eliza Doolittle. Sounds like she might have had different versions on different days: news.yahoo.com: Trayvon Martin's friend describes final phone call: MIKE SCHNEIDER and KYLE HIGHTOWER | June 26, 2013 | SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — A friend who was on the phone with 17-year-old Trayvon Martin moments before he was fatally shot by George Zimmerman testified that she heard the Miami teen shout, "Get off! Get off!" before his telephone went dead. ... she heard Martin ask: "What are you following me for?" She then heard what sounded like Martin's phone earpiece drop into the grass and she heard him say, "Get off! Get off!" The phone then went dead, she said. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Are these your self deluded "facts"? NOBODY claims that EITHER party was "running around door to door screaming for help". The eyewitnesses state Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that Zimmerman was yelling for help as Martin was trying to kill him. Wake up and stop making things up. You provide ample insight as to how these "no-planes" stories are born. We are all the children of God. I was however conversing with Ricky who claims all Jewish people are the children of the devil. Since Jesus was not a Muslim nor even a Christian, and followed Jewish Scripture, he was in fact a Jew in terms of belief system. He is in fact claimed to be the Jewish Messiah, hence why people believe him to be God Himself. So are you still spray painting swastikas all over town these days as you run around in your white sheet? Do you still want to crucify Zimmerman, since he's a Catholic, who I've heard the KKK despise as much as they hate Jews? Why would anyone, other than someone who was severely retarded, claim that someone on top of someone else and beating the crap out of the other person be screaming for help? Makes no sense whatsoever. I do believe that titorite and his agitatin' buddy, strepsiptera, belong on the clown filter and that is where they are going (at least for me). I am tired of people making bs claims that they have to know aren't true. Paul Craig Roberts
There would have been no Christian religion without Jesus. I believe him to be a part of the Godhead along with the Holy Spirit (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit). Paul Craig Roberts
Of course. He was born and raised as a Jew however, following Jewish Scripture. My point is that those who profess that the Jews are children of the devil would by extension be saying that God is really the devil. It's just a logical point that in reality can't be denied. Religious bias may cause some to disagree, but those are the facts. This is a debate I intend to stay out of. However, here is an interesting historical text that might shed some light: "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Ping to my above.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha The Essene connection is the most historically valid and correct viewpoint, IMHO.
You are confusing the Torah with the Talmud. The Torah is the first 5 books of the old Testament, the Talmud is sayings from Rabbis. Judaism today follows the Talmud almost exclusively and gives it higher priority than the Torah. Jesus called those that followed the "traditions of men" which is what is contained in the Talmud today, "children of the devil." Most that follow Judaism today follow the Talmud and are thus "children of the devil" according to Jesus Christ. God is always good!
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYou are being deliberately evasive. You posted an alleged photo of Trayvon and were called out on it. Put up or shut up.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#174. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#168)
9. Play Dumb.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#175. To: James Deffenbach (#174)
9. Play Dumb.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#176. To: FormerLurker (#167)
#177. To: James Deffenbach (#173)
#178. To: FormerLurker (#171)
#179. To: Original_Intent (#168)
#180. To: strepsiptera (#179)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#181. To: strepsiptera, James Deffenbach (#177)
especially when right wing websites have been caught lying about it in the recent past.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#182. To: strepsiptera (#153)
Show me the proof that Trayvon initiated physical violence without provocation.
#183. To: strepsiptera, Shoonra (#143)
Even if I grant you the point that there may be a legal distinction between 14 year olds and 17 year olds, he was still not an adult.
#184. To: scrapper2 (#182)
Trayvon's gal pal said - tah dah!- Trayvon hit first.
#185. To: scrapper2 (#182)
#186. To: scrapper2 (#183)
#187. To: strepsiptera (#119)
The witnesses are direct. The injuries are circumstantial.
#188. To: strepsiptera (#186)
#189. To: All (#188)
#190. To: christine (#189)
#191. To: christine (#189)
#192. To: GreyLmist (#184)
#193. To: strepsiptera (#178)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#194. To: strepsiptera (#176)
The features are exactly the same. How is that doctored? It's just a lighter exposure of the same photo. Is paler skin angelic?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#195. To: strepsiptera (#177)
Prove that it is an actual photo. I am not obligated to take your word for it, especially when right wing websites have been caught lying about it in the recent past.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#196. To: FormerLurker (#158)
PS: According the Bible, we are ALL God's Children. So no, the Jews are not the "children of the devil".
#197. To: RickyJ (#196)
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Dude, Jesus Christ himself called them the devil's children.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#198. To: FormerLurker (#197)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#199. To: FormerLurker (#197)
#200. To: scrapper2 (#182)
Trayvon's gal pal said - tah dah!- Trayvon hit first.
#201. To: titorite (#200)
But we do know one voice was running around screaming for help.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#202. To: titorite (#200)
because the outcome was rigged and the case was thrown before it began...
#203. To: abraxas (#192)
she also claimed that Trayvon was giving Zimmerman an "ass whoopin'" when he was fatally shot.
#204. To: titorite (#200)
And standing your ground does not run from door to door in screaming for help only to be silenced at the end of a gun shot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#205. To: James Deffenbach (#198)
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The father of Jesus was/is God
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#206. To: titorite (#199)
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don't you and shoonra work for the same ADL organization?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#207. To: Original_Intent, titorite, strepsiptera (#201)
And according to the eyewitness closest to the scene it was the man on the bottom who was screaming for help. The eyewitness's physical description of the man on the bottom fits George Zimmerman, and only George Zimmerman.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#208. To: FormerLurker (#205)
Since Jesus was not a Muslim nor even a Christian
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#209. To: James Deffenbach (#208)
There would have been no Christian religion without Jesus
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#210. To: James Deffenbach (#208)
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Jesus An Essene, by E. Planta Nesbit, [1895], at sacred-texts.com
Jesus An Essene, by E. Planta Nesbit
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#211. To: FormerLurker (#210)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#212. To: Original_Intent (#211)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#213. To: FormerLurker (#209)
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He was born and raised as a Jew however, following Jewish Scripture.
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