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Title: Zimmerman juror from Chicago speaks out: He 'got away with murder'
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Published: Jul 25, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-07-25 15:38:33 by Horse
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A juror in the George Zimmerman trial who had recently moved to Florida from Chicago said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology to Martin's parents. "You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, identified only as Juror B29 during the trial, told ABC's "Good Morning America. "We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence." She said the evidence, under Florida law, did not prove murder. The court has sealed the jurors' identities. While she allowed her face to be shown during the interview, she used only a first name of Maddy. The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury. Zimmerman, 29, is Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black. But Maddy insisted that the case was never about race, at least to her. "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy told the show. When the jury began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge. "I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said. But on the second day of deliberations, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Zimmerman admitted he shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintained he fired in self-defense. "That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty." The juror said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. "I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said. "As much as we were trying to find this man guilty. . .they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth. And the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told." She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down." "It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said. Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face. Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch. Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own. Poster Comment: Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.
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#196. To: FormerLurker (#158)
Dude, Jesus Christ himself called them the devil's children. God is always good!
Jesus Himself was born Jewish. Was his father the devil? You can't believe everything you read, especially when it was written by the very people you despise, or those who twisted those writings to say whatever they wanted them to say. The father of Jesus was/is God. The Jewish part of his lineage was through Mary who descended from King David.
Paul Craig Roberts
don't you and shoonra work for the same ADL organization?
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Jeantel was the prosecutor's key witness. Jeantel is also mental retarded. So her testamony is of no value. You know why she was the "key" super star wittness? because the outcome was rigged and the case was thrown before it began... Just how does Jeantel know trayvon hit first when she wasn't there? she didn't. Jeantel perjured herself alot that day trying to be helpful... the retard cow should pay the price for it but the perjury laws do not seem to apply to anyone in the zimmerman trial.... funny that. Gods honest truth is that nobody knows who threw the first punch. But we do know one voice was running around screaming for help. And standing your ground does not run from door to door in screaming for help only to be silenced at the end of a gun shot. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
And according to the eyewitness closest to the scene it was the man on the bottom who was screaming for help. The eyewitness's physical description of the man on the bottom fits George Zimmerman, and only George Zimmerman. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha There was no case. That's why the outcome was not guilty. Black white blue purple green - whatever color the young thug might be - he should not have attacked and tried to cause grave bodily injury to another human being. Trayvon got what he brought on himself. The person whose head he tried to smash into concrete defended himself and rightfully so. Wake up.
In polite circles, she's been dubbed aka Eliza Doolittle. Sounds like she might have had different versions on different days: news.yahoo.com: Trayvon Martin's friend describes final phone call: MIKE SCHNEIDER and KYLE HIGHTOWER | June 26, 2013 | SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — A friend who was on the phone with 17-year-old Trayvon Martin moments before he was fatally shot by George Zimmerman testified that she heard the Miami teen shout, "Get off! Get off!" before his telephone went dead. ... she heard Martin ask: "What are you following me for?" She then heard what sounded like Martin's phone earpiece drop into the grass and she heard him say, "Get off! Get off!" The phone then went dead, she said. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Are these your self deluded "facts"? NOBODY claims that EITHER party was "running around door to door screaming for help". The eyewitnesses state Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that Zimmerman was yelling for help as Martin was trying to kill him. Wake up and stop making things up. You provide ample insight as to how these "no-planes" stories are born. We are all the children of God. I was however conversing with Ricky who claims all Jewish people are the children of the devil. Since Jesus was not a Muslim nor even a Christian, and followed Jewish Scripture, he was in fact a Jew in terms of belief system. He is in fact claimed to be the Jewish Messiah, hence why people believe him to be God Himself. So are you still spray painting swastikas all over town these days as you run around in your white sheet? Do you still want to crucify Zimmerman, since he's a Catholic, who I've heard the KKK despise as much as they hate Jews? Why would anyone, other than someone who was severely retarded, claim that someone on top of someone else and beating the crap out of the other person be screaming for help? Makes no sense whatsoever. I do believe that titorite and his agitatin' buddy, strepsiptera, belong on the clown filter and that is where they are going (at least for me). I am tired of people making bs claims that they have to know aren't true. Paul Craig Roberts
There would have been no Christian religion without Jesus. I believe him to be a part of the Godhead along with the Holy Spirit (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit). Paul Craig Roberts
Of course. He was born and raised as a Jew however, following Jewish Scripture. My point is that those who profess that the Jews are children of the devil would by extension be saying that God is really the devil. It's just a logical point that in reality can't be denied. Religious bias may cause some to disagree, but those are the facts. This is a debate I intend to stay out of. However, here is an interesting historical text that might shed some light: "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Ping to my above.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha The Essene connection is the most historically valid and correct viewpoint, IMHO.
You are confusing the Torah with the Talmud. The Torah is the first 5 books of the old Testament, the Talmud is sayings from Rabbis. Judaism today follows the Talmud almost exclusively and gives it higher priority than the Torah. Jesus called those that followed the "traditions of men" which is what is contained in the Talmud today, "children of the devil." Most that follow Judaism today follow the Talmud and are thus "children of the devil" according to Jesus Christ. God is always good!
That is not something I have ever said and certainly don't agree with it. I am familiar with the passage in the Bible where Jesus said to those listening to him that they were children of the devil (John 8:44). In context it appears that he was speaking directly to the Pharisees, not all Jews. And rightly so, there are good and bad in all groups of people. Paul Craig Roberts
Huh? What are saying here?
He's our Gabby Johnson. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Looks like English may not be his (or her) first language. Paul Craig Roberts
There is nothing illogical about it. You simply do not understand the legal definittion of the term circumstantial evidence. The fact that you consider the evidence to be credible or that you think it proves what you believe is true does not change the legal definition. I think that the eyewitness testimony is very weak because the witnesses did not have a clear view of what was happening, but it fits the legal definition of direct evidence because the witnesses claim to have directly observed the fight. The circumstantial evidence is circumstantial because more than one explanation is possible.
The only difference I see is that the photo on the left is much darker and grainier. The proportions and shape of all of the facial features look exactly the same. Wasn' t there a dark versus light photo controversy during the O.J. Trial?
I am saying on one of those 911 calls you can clearly hear a voice screaming for most of the first half of the call.. You can hear the husband in the back round and the wife is on the phone with 911 and she is calling about the screaming and commotion. In the back round of that 911 call a voice a screamng for help and that voice moves alot. It changes in echo, volume, clarity, who ever the voice belonged too it was on the move jumping from spot to spot. Then their is a single gun shot when the screaming is loudest. Then their is no more screaming for help.... One does not stand ones ground by running around from porch to porch of the place screaming for help. George zimmerman was not running from porch to porch screaming for help... Trayvon Martin was not chasing down an armed zimmerman from porch to porch. IT was the other way around. A pissy Zimmerman sour over the fact that "they always get away" just wanted to get him one... and he did. and florida is ok with it... In no way was he standing his ground. Not from the sound of the 911 call... Their was no fight.. nobody was being punched in the mouth MMA style as they yelled for help. No teeth got knocked loose. Zimmerman has a past of bragging on his myspace page about getting away with crime. .... HE did not need to follow anyone... following someone is not standing your ground.... But trayvon might of stood up to zimmerman... and that was proly a fatal mistake. He could not of known about Zimmermans jewish roots by looking at him. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
To the clown filter with ye!
If you don't wish to talk to me that is your prerogative, but I interpret your fleeing this discussion as an indication that you can't back up any off the things you are claiming and have therefore lost the argument.
running around from porch to porch of the place screaming for help. Their was no fight.. nobody was being punched in the mouth MMA style as they yelled for help. It is not that background scream that is moving, it is the person on the phone moving while on the phone. There is not a shred of evidence to substantiate this "running around from porch to porch" scenario. Not one witness. This is a scenario that only lives in your imagination. The evidence substantiates the claim of a fight--the bleeding nose, the wounds to the back of the head, the wounds to Trayvon's knuckles, the grass on Zimmerman's back. However, there is no evidence to substantiate the claim that "their (sic) was no fight." How can you completely disregard the evidence when you make these claims? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
That one and strepsiptera are perfect examples of the need for the clown filter. People like them don't need any facts, they have their feewings and that is good enough for them. Paul Craig Roberts
your interpretation, like your uninformed opinion on this case, is fullabulla.
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their=there of=have sorry, but your version of the events isn't accurate.
I'll see your fullabulla, and raise you one fluffernutter.
More likely it is that once you have pounded your head against the wall enough times it may seem that there is a point where it becomes pointless. It long ago became obvious that you have a certain "hurdy gurdy" that you are either paid to push or that you lack the objectivity, and intellectual acumen, to actually examine the facts that are actually in evidence. Instead, at every turn, you have consistently either ignored facts which are contradictory to your preferred fairy tale of "St. Trayvon and the Wicked Ogre", or twisted them to your preferred "story". "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha I watched the entire trial on HLN. I also watched the post shows where the guests kicked around the days events. The slop that is being pitched by the Twins is inaccurate to the point of being hallucinatory. It's one thing not knowing what evidence was entered into the trial, but quite another to toss gross inaccuracies into the mix and then stand firm on top of them. I hope it's simple ignorance & stubbornness on their part.
You can get paid to post messages on this website??? Would you care to elaborate?
From what I've seen simple ignorance & stubbornness on their part simply cannot explain their conclusions or actions. We're talking gross, compound, ignorance & stubbornness probably backed with a medical condition. Disclaimer: I am not a Doctor. (although I have taken alot of prescription medication) “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Doctor, am I to conclude the Twins are terminally fucked?
So strep throat is now claiming that he and his evil twin titornot have won the "discussion" and those of us they have beaten have "fled the discussion"? That would be funny if it weren't so lame. Speaking only for myself, I get tired of people who can't be swayed by the facts in evidence and stick to their story no matter how many times they have been shown their story is just that and should start with "once upon a time." Whoever is paying them should reconsider because they are not getting their money's worth.
Paul Craig Roberts
Indeed. That is the conclusion I came to. My only regret is that I tried to explain things to them over and over when it should have been clear that they were going to stick to their stupid story no matter what and that St. Trayvon could never be blamed for any part of what happened the night he assaulted someone and happened to pick the wrong person. Paul Craig Roberts
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestPS: According the Bible, we are ALL God's Children. So no, the Jews are not the "children of the devil".
#197. To: RickyJ (#196)
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Dude, Jesus Christ himself called them the devil's children.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#198. To: FormerLurker (#197)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#199. To: FormerLurker (#197)
#200. To: scrapper2 (#182)
Trayvon's gal pal said - tah dah!- Trayvon hit first.
#201. To: titorite (#200)
But we do know one voice was running around screaming for help.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#202. To: titorite (#200)
because the outcome was rigged and the case was thrown before it began...
#203. To: abraxas (#192)
she also claimed that Trayvon was giving Zimmerman an "ass whoopin'" when he was fatally shot.
#204. To: titorite (#200)
And standing your ground does not run from door to door in screaming for help only to be silenced at the end of a gun shot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#205. To: James Deffenbach (#198)
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The father of Jesus was/is God
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#206. To: titorite (#199)
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don't you and shoonra work for the same ADL organization?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#207. To: Original_Intent, titorite, strepsiptera (#201)
And according to the eyewitness closest to the scene it was the man on the bottom who was screaming for help. The eyewitness's physical description of the man on the bottom fits George Zimmerman, and only George Zimmerman.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#208. To: FormerLurker (#205)
Since Jesus was not a Muslim nor even a Christian
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#209. To: James Deffenbach (#208)
There would have been no Christian religion without Jesus
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#210. To: James Deffenbach (#208)
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Jesus An Essene, by E. Planta Nesbit, [1895], at sacred-texts.com
Jesus An Essene, by E. Planta Nesbit
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#211. To: FormerLurker (#210)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#212. To: Original_Intent (#211)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#213. To: FormerLurker (#209)
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He was born and raised as a Jew however, following Jewish Scripture.
#214. To: FormerLurker (#209)
My point is that those who profess that the Jews are children of the devil
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#215. To: titorite (#200)
And standing your ground does not run from door to door in screaming for help only to be silenced at the end of a gun shot.
#216. To: christine (#215)
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Huh? What are saying here?
#217. To: christine (#215)
Huh? What are saying here?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#218. To: Jethro Tull (#187)
#219. To: FormerLurker (#194)
#220. To: christine (#215)
Huh? What are saying here?
#221. To: strepsiptera (#218)
#222. To: Jethro Tull (#221)
#223. To: titorite (#220)
In the back round of that 911 call a voice a screamng for help and that voice moves alot. It changes in echo, volume, clarity, who ever the voice belonged too it was on the move jumping from spot to spot.
#224. To: abraxas (#223)
How can you completely disregard the evidence when you make these claims?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#225. To: strepsiptera (#222)
but I interpret your fleeing this discussion as an indication that you can't back up
#226. To: James Deffenbach (#224)
#227. To: titorite (#220)
#228. To: christine (#225)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6gljDcLrvQ
#229. To: strepsiptera, Jethro Tull, christine, James Deffenbach, abraxas, ALL (#222)
If you don't wish to talk to me that is your prerogative, but I interpret your fleeing this discussion as an indication that you can't back up any off the things you are claiming and have therefore lost the argument.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#230. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#229)
#231. To: Original_Intent (#229)
How much are they paying you?
Does it come with health benefits?
Is it covered by Obamacare?
#232. To: Jethro Tull (#230)
I hope it's simple ignorance & stubbornness on their part.
#233. To: Hmmmmm (#232)
#234. To: christine (#225)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#235. To: Original_Intent (#229)
More likely it is that once you have pounded your head against the wall enough times it may seem that there is a point where it becomes pointless.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#236. To: christine (#226)
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Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
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