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Title: Zimmerman juror from Chicago speaks out: He 'got away with murder'
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Published: Jul 25, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-07-25 15:38:33 by Horse
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A juror in the George Zimmerman trial who had recently moved to Florida from Chicago said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology to Martin's parents. "You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, identified only as Juror B29 during the trial, told ABC's "Good Morning America. "We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence." She said the evidence, under Florida law, did not prove murder. The court has sealed the jurors' identities. While she allowed her face to be shown during the interview, she used only a first name of Maddy. The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury. Zimmerman, 29, is Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black. But Maddy insisted that the case was never about race, at least to her. "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy told the show. When the jury began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge. "I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said. But on the second day of deliberations, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Zimmerman admitted he shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintained he fired in self-defense. "That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty." The juror said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. "I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said. "As much as we were trying to find this man guilty. . .they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth. And the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told." She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down." "It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said. Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face. Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch. Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own. Poster Comment: Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.
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#51. To: strepsiptera (#15)
There is evidence. He was black. Blacks will attack from behind. "If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'" So will Whites, Asians, Turks, Poles, Mexicans, Guatamalens, Lithuanians, Texans, Aborigines, ... It depends upon the individual, not the color of their skin. He was not defending himself from a kid begging for help. The sound of the tape is running around shouting for help in different places.. Unless yelling for help can kill someone St Zimmerman is the one with the dirty deed. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
Yeah but you hate all women turtle. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
I have seen the original pictures OI... UNless the paramedic cleaned out his nostrols, and washed out his beard , jews have been at work here. NO grass on his back here Here is a little bloody and no black eyes...and that weird dot nose blood drip. Let us look at a cleaned up picture of him from the same night. His mustache and nostrols have been wiped out... OK so this only proves that zimm might of used a netty pot to clean out his nose before the interview about the murder began... I can run with that. Here is the picture of trayvons pants... Note the grass stains on his knees... I doubt he died on his feet. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
Just reviewing the evidence: Which would be consistent with the eyewitness description of Trayvon straddling Zimmerman, who was on his back on the lawn, while he pummeled him. Given that per the reports he was attended to, at the Police Station, by the Paramedics who arrived on the scene that is not surprising. It just shows that he was cleaned up. However, the photos you don't have here are the ones of the back of his head before he was cleaned up. That ridge of red on his nose is consistent with his nose having been broken as is the bloody one above. Having had my own nose broken I can assure you that while it is painful it does not show a lot after the intitial bloody mess has been cleaned up. (I can still feel a ridge where it was broken and then later re-set by the Reconstructive Surgeon who patched me up. My nose was broken in 7 places - ouch.) I cannot entirely account for the back of his jacket. I wish the photo showed his hind end better as that would be more telling. Denim would hold a grass stain better than a nylon shell. That is because he did not clean up his back... those pictures were taken with in 45 minutes of the incident.. Zimmerman did not throw his cloths in the wash machine. Those are the cloths he was wearing. He never got his jacket dirty. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
Do we even know whether he was wearing the jacket when Trayvon jumped him? He could have put it on after the fact and thus any grass stains would be on his shirt. Not enough data to resolve it one way or the other. The shots of the back of his head were, if I recall correctly, taken at the scene. So, 45 minutes later, after he had been attended to and cleaned up, it is not surprising that they are gone. I'm sorry but I remain unconvinced. Everything I am seeing, with the exception of a few picked nits, points in the direction of Trayvon having been the aggressor and Zimmerman the defender. Eight children? Really? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. And don't anyone give me B.S. about Catholicism. Re: modified rhythm birth control www.scientificamerican.co...ural-family-planning-stm- as-effective-as-the-contraceptive-pill snip A new German study, however, has found that, when practiced correctly, a method of periodic abstinence known as the sympto-thermal method (STM) leads to an unintended pregnancy rate of only 0.6 percent annually. This rate is comparable with that of unintended pregnancies in women who use birth control pills, the most popular method of contraception in the U.S. For the sympto-thermal method to work, women must keep track of three things: their core body temperature, the fertile days of their cycle as measured by a calendar, and their cervical secretions. Using this information, women are able to abstain from sex during their fertile period, which includes several days prior to and after the day of ovulation.
Trayvon took the homophobic advice of his gal pal and decided to teach a*s cracker, Zimmerman, a lesson. He picked the wrong cracker. Why are you supporting a homophobic drug dealing thief, anyhow?
This broad is typical of what passes for a juror these days. Stupid and ignorant.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool. – Plato (429-347 BC)
Another POS coward with gun that would rather put a bullet in you than shake your hand. True, not even St. Trayvon. If you assault a person, expect that person to defend themselves. I would do the same. It isn't tryanny (sic) or injustuce (sic)...it is self defense. Do you think that Trayvon would have assaulted the "creepy ass cracker" if he knew that he was armed? Trayvon didn't want to shake the "creepy as cracker" hand. He wanted to beat the shit out of the "creepy ass cracker" but that didn't work out as he planned. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Yes, because eye witnesses identified the person in the red jacket as the person on the bottom getting beaten by the person in the hoodie. Grass marks were found on Zimmerman's jacket and none were found on Trayvon's jacket. Trayvon had grass marks on his knees only. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Evidence presented to the jury shows grass marks on the back of Zimmerman's jacket....also eye witness testimony from detectives substantiate this. Did you even bother to look at any of the evidence presented in this case? Are you still harping about fingerprints on the gun when none, not even Zimmerman's, were found? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
If Zimmerman's version of events is so airtight that it is beyond question then why didn't he testify and why was he afraid of being cross examined? No, it isn't likely. Seven times Zimmerman gave up his right to the 5th and provided statements to the police.......SEVEN TIMES. All of which were presented at trial. Isn't that enough telling of the story? The story was consistent every time. When an attorney advises a client not to take the stand, a smart defendant takes the advice. It has nothing to do with fear of being cross examined. This is another straw man because you didn't get the result you wanted. Sheesh, the prosecution in this case was a bunch of boobs, nothing to fear. Did you see how they handled their own star witness? lol " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Also, it was raining that night. Wet jackets actually dry in 45 minutes. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Nylon dries quickly. Detectives on the scene testified that Zim's jacket was wet and had grass on it when they arrived. They took photos. These photos were presented in court. Are you now claiming that the detectives gave false testimony and false pictures? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Well, the only actual witness said it was Zimmerman. The black lady who testified from home (or the hospital or wherever she was) said that it was a white male who was calling for help. But you were there and you know better I guess. Paul Craig Roberts
It is hard to believe that St. Trayvon has all these people who are willing to ignore any and all evidence which tends to show their hero was not the innocent child they want so desperately to believe in. They sound like people who might still believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. Paul Craig Roberts
Some folks don't need facts and evidence, they have feewings. Paul Craig Roberts
That sounds somewhat insane. Why would someone on top of another person and beating the crap out of them be calling for help unless he was trying to get some of his homies to come and help him finish off the "creepy ass cracker"? People who believe they are winning a fight never holler for help, at least I have never heard of anyone who did. Paul Craig Roberts
No, I don't. Many women, however, need to be spanked once a day and twice on Sundays. I'll say this, though: when people act like normal people, I act like a normal guy. On the other hand, when they do not, they are always surprised at what a psycho I am. That includes women, since in these days of women thinking they are equal to men except when they don't want to be, I treat them as men whether they want it or not. "Have Brain, Will Travel
So now you are hallucinating an entire gang of homies lurking somewhere in the shadows? and you are the one accusing me of magical thinking?
The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood, which Zimmerman chose to subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia. Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. Zimmerman was not a neutral person trying to investigate the situation. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape.
I have to take issue with your definition of circumstantial evidence both in this post and a later post. Here is the wikipedia definition of circumstantial evidence: Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact— like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference. On its own, it is the nature of circumstantial evidence for more than one explanation to still be possible. Inference from one piece of circumstantial evidence may not guarantee accuracy. Circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection, so that the pieces then become corroborating evidence. Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more valid as proof of a fact when the alternative explanations have been ruled out. Circumstantial evidence allows a trier of fact to deduce a fact exists.[1] In criminal law, the inference is made by the trier of facts in order to support the truth of assertion (of guilt or absence of guilt). Testimony can be direct evidence or it can be circumstantial. If the witness claims they saw the crime take place, this is considered direct evidence. For instance, a witness saying that the defendant stabbed the victim is direct evidence. By contrast, a witness who says that she saw the defendant enter a house, that she heard screaming, and that she saw the defendant leave with a bloody knife gives circumstantial evidence. It is the necessity for inference, and not the obviousness of a conclusion, that determines whether or not evidence is circumstantial. Forensic evidence supplied by an expert witness is usually circumstantial evidence. A forensic scientist who testifies that ballistics proves the defendant’s firearm killed the victim provides circumstantial evidence from which the defendant’s guilt can be inferred. (Note that an inference of guilt could be incorrect if the person who actually fired the weapon was somebody else.) On the other hand, the additional circumstantial evidence of the defendant's fingerprint on the trigger would dovetail with this piece to provide corroborating evidence. Circumstantial evidence is especially important in civil and criminal cases where direct evidence is lacking. Zimmerman's injuries are circumstantial evidence, not direct evidence, because more than one explanation is possible. Physical evidence can be circumstantial and in this case is. The witness testimony is direct evidence, but it is very weak direct evidence because the witnesses did not have a clear view and chose to stay indoors talking to the cops on the phone rather than stepping outside and clearly observing what was going on. Zimmerman's cuts to the back of his head do not prove that he was having his skull beaten into the concrete. They could be interpretted to support the claim that Zimmerman was on the bottom during some part of the fight but even that is an inference based on circumstantial evidence. There is no medical evidence of Zimmerman having a broken nose. The picture of Zimmerman with a bloody nose is circumstantial physical evidence. Zimmerman could have gotten a bloody nose any number of ways and a bloody nose does not prove a broken nose or a sucker punch or even a punch at all.
Martin might have stolen Zimmerman's gun and shot himself accidently. It's all circumstantial and relative. Zimmerman's job as neighborhood watch captain was to patrol the neighborhood watching for suspicious activity. He noticed Martin peeking in windows of several houses, called police, and kept an eye on him till police arrived. Martin, instead of proceeding to his father's house, decided to circle back around and jump Zimmerman. Could you elaborate on your allegation that Zimmerman was somehow "extremely beligerent and hostile" while on the phone with the 911 operator? Trayvon has this to say to all of you "creepy ass crackas" out there... subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape. Circumstantial.......you have no proof what so ever that this was all he was doing. You do not know what he was doing. You only have your opinions about what he was doing. You are subjectively interpreting what Zimmerman was doing. You do not know what it was based on.....or you ignore what it was based on. You insert paranoia when you have nothing to base this on. What we do know is that Zimmerman was a neighborhood watchman. He watched the neighborhood. He called the police to report his suspicion. Show me hard evidence that Trayvon wasn't up to anything suspicious. Define suspicious. He calmly answered the questions posed by the police respectfully. What are you calling belligerent? What is hostile? I didn't hear it. Again, you are subjectively interpreting the data. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I never said there was "an entire gang of homies lurking somewhere in the shadows," now did I? You are making $#it up as you go along. Here is what I actually said---"Why would someone on top of another person and beating the crap out of them be calling for help unless he was trying to get some of his homies to come and help him finish off the "creepy ass cracker"? Did you catch that word "unless"? I don't know if he had any of his gang around or not but I do know that no one who is beating the shit out of someone else is going to be hollering for help. Not your Saint Trayvon or anyone else. Paul Craig Roberts
Wrong, they're direct evidence. Zs neighbor, Jonathan Good, a witness for the prosecution no less, witnessed Skittles on top of Z punching him in the face "MMA" style.
subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape. Ol' "twisted-winged parasites" head is going to explode with anger about this news... nationalreport.net/george...ed-by-their-juvenile-son/ snip George Zimmerman filed a civil suit today just before 5PM EST at the Seminole County, Florida, Courthouse. The suit alleges the parents of Trayvon Martin, failed to control their minor-age son on the evening of February 26, 2012, when Martin repeatedly assaulted Zimmerman, placing him in imminent fear for his life and resulting in the death of Martin. The civil action specifies that Zimmerman acted in self defense resulting in the case being ruled a justifiable homicide by a jury trial that ended on Saturday with a verdict of not guilty. Desperate state prosecutors charged the victim with 2nd degree murder though they had no evidence of a crime and hoping to stay off more violence and having Florida put to the torch at the criminal hands of rioters months before the start of the state’s tourist season. The complaint further specifies Zimmerman shares “zero-liability” in the death of Martin as he acted without malice and solely in self-defense. The amount of damages Zimmerman is seeking are unspecified.
It was interesting reading through the comments on the thread that you linked to. The argument seems to come down to four primary categories: Those who assume Trayvon is innocent because he was black. Those who assume Zimmerman is guilty because he is NOT black. There is a small leavening of White Racists, but most of the real racism evident is Blacks assuming Zimmerman had to be guilty because he is NOT black. Then there is the group which is looking at the actual evidence and asking, "What does the evidence show?" In other words for those who are on the "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" side of the argument it is ALL about race, and the assumption that because Zimmerman IS NOT black that he has to be guilty of stalking "Poooooooooooor St. Trayvon" regardless of what the evidence seems to show. As well is the factor of media bias where the images presented in the major media (over and over and over again) are all several years old showing Trayvon as a 13 or 14 year old kid. That imagery stuck. The major lamestream media has focused on those photos as opposed to more recent ones showing "Poooooooooooor St. Trayvon" with his "Grillwork", his comments on smoking dope, his highly sexualized violent streak, and his search for the ingredients to make "lean". Lean is an important element here as it, per users comments online, tends to induce psychoses and violent behavior. Of course acknowledging that is inconvenient to the "Pooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" Crowd so they attempt to ignore it or evade it by calling people rayciss for daring to notice those facts. The other side is looking at the evidence, which includes "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon's known, and proven, drug use, his own online comments that he likes fighting, that he was trained as a Martial Artist, had a history of criminality such as being kicked out of school for picking fights, and having stolen property found in his locker at school. As well we have the eyewitness testimony placing "Pooooooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" on top applying a serious beat down of George Zimmerman combined with the physical evidence of the beat down. The "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" crowd keeps trying to divert from the facts, invent facts and suppositions that are either not relevant or not in evidence (such as assuming and arguing contrary to the evidence that "Pooooooooor St. Trayvon who appeared to be casing the neighborhood actually was just walking nonchalantly down the street and assuming without any evidence to support the contention that Zimmerman initiated contact with "Poooooooooooor St. Trayvon, and appear to have reached a conclusion based on their own prejudices and suppositions rather than on the available facts). It is unfortunate that the young MAN (he was a 5' 11" Football Player not a little defenseless child) made some poor judgements and, by the evidence, apparently made an unprovoked attack on an armed man. I would also point out to the "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" crowd that "Billy the Kid" was 16 when he killed his first man. Billy, by the way, was white. And the Kenyan in the White House will be "all tore up from the floor up" over these developments. Paul Craig Roberts
Great post.
Paul Craig Roberts
Merci'. I believe the autopsy report said 5'11" 156 Lbs.. Just saying. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
If so I stand corrected. I did not check the source on that physical size datum so I could be in error. However, the rest stands. He was a Football Player, a trained Martial Artist, drug user, and had a history of violent behavior which had gotten him kicked out of school on multiple occasions. I did check and you are substantially correct. Per the autopsy (pdf here: media.cmgdigital.com/shar...rayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf ) he was 71 inches (5' 11", 158 pounds) and 158 pounds. Still not the size of a "child".
Many women, however, need to be spanked once a day and twice on Sundays. I'll say this, though: when people act like normal people, I act like a normal guy. On the other hand, when they do not, they are always surprised at what a psycho I am. You know Justin Carter was arrested for less than what you have typed there.... Thank god we don't have many Canadians here. And yes you belittle women and blacks and everything that is not your old ugly ass so Ima haveta say you just an ol dirty hater :p ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThere is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon sucker punched anyone.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#52. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#51)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
I don't blame Zimmerman one iota for defending himself.
#54. To: Turtle (#2)
She should have never been on the jury. I doubt her IQ is over 100.
#55. To: Original_Intent (#48)
#56. To: titorite (#55)
Here is the picture of trayvons pants... Note the grass stains on his knees...
His mustache and nostrols have been wiped out...
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#57. To: Original_Intent (#56)
However, the photos you don't have here are the ones of the back of his head before he was cleaned up.
#58. To: titorite (#57)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#59. To: Horse (#0)
#60. To: titorite (#53)
St Zimmerman is the one with the dirty deed.
#61. To: Horse (#0)
#62. To: titorite (#45)
Nobody gets a free pass. Not even you. Tryanny is tyranny. Injustuce is injustice.
#63. To: Original_Intent (#58)
Do we even know whether he was wearing the jacket when Trayvon jumped him?
#64. To: titorite (#57)
He never got his jacket dirty.
#65. To: strepsiptera (#43)
Had Zimmerman testified and been cross examined it is very likely that at least some parts of his story would have fallen apart.
#66. To: Original_Intent (#56)
I cannot entirely account for the back of his jacket. I wish the photo showed his hind end better as that would be more telling. Denim would hold a grass stain better than a nylon shell.
#67. To: titorite (#57)
those pictures were taken with in 45 minutes of the incident..
#68. To: titorite (#53)
He was not defending himself from a kid begging for help.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#69. To: Original_Intent (#41)
Exactly. I am willing to admit I could be wrong, BUT based upon the available evidence it is consistent with St. Trayvon having "gone off on the Crazy ass Cracka'" and as a result got himself killed in self defense when the "Crazy ass Cracka" defended himself.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#70. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#48)
You know this how? Based on what evidence?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#71. To: titorite (#53)
He was not defending himself from a kid begging for help.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#72. To: titorite (#54)
Yeah but you hate all women turtle.
#73. To: James Deffenbach (#71)
#74. To: Original_Intent (#44)
#75. To: Original_Intent (#32)
there is nothing circumstantial about it
#76. To: strepsiptera (#75)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: strepsiptera (#74)
Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. Zimmerman was not a neutral person trying to investigate the situation. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#78. To: strepsiptera (#75)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: strepsiptera (#74)
The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood
#80. To: strepsiptera (#73)
So now you are hallucinating an entire gang of homies lurking somewhere in the shadows? and you are the one accusing me of magical thinking?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#81. To: strepsiptera (#75)
Zimmerman's injuries are circumstantial evidence, not direct evidence,
#82. To: James Deffenbach (#71)
....a kid begging for help....
#83. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach, strepsiptera (#79)
The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood
#84. To: scrapper2, abraxas, , James Deffenbach, strepsiptera, titorite (#83)
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Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#85. To: scrapper2 (#83)
Ol' "twisted-winged parasites" head is going to explode with anger about this news...
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#86. To: Original_Intent (#84)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#87. To: James Deffenbach (#86)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#88. To: Original_Intent (#84)
It is unfortunate that the young MAN (he was a 6'3" Football Player not a little defenseless child)
#89. To: Hmmmmm (#88)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#90. To: Hmmmmm, all (#88)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#91. To: Turtle (#72)
No, I don't.
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