See other National News Articles
Title: Zimmerman juror from Chicago speaks out: He 'got away with murder'
Source:
[None]
URL Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ ... icago-20130725,0,4361149.story
Published: Jul 25, 2013
Author: staff
Post Date: 2013-07-25 15:38:33 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 2852
Comments: 284
A juror in the George Zimmerman trial who had recently moved to Florida from Chicago said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology to Martin's parents. "You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, identified only as Juror B29 during the trial, told ABC's "Good Morning America. "We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence." She said the evidence, under Florida law, did not prove murder. The court has sealed the jurors' identities. While she allowed her face to be shown during the interview, she used only a first name of Maddy. The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury. Zimmerman, 29, is Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black. But Maddy insisted that the case was never about race, at least to her. "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy told the show. When the jury began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge. "I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said. But on the second day of deliberations, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Zimmerman admitted he shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintained he fired in self-defense. "That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty." The juror said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. "I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said. "As much as we were trying to find this man guilty. . .they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth. And the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told." She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down." "It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said. Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face. Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch. Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own. Poster Comment: Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#1. To: Horse (#0)
this deluded woman might need zimm"s help if/when the vengeful loons track her down now that she was stupid enough to give her name, face,career, & family details.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
She should have never been on the jury. I doubt her IQ is over 100. "Have Brain, Will Travel
She is not logical. She can't know that he got away with murder if she has doubts about whether he was defending himself or not. My bet is that she is being influenced by peer pressure to say what she says now. That first juror should have went ahead and wrote the book, I would have bought it and many others would have. I like to support people who do the right thing.
God is always good!
There's a difference between justifiable homicide and outright murder. One is the result of no other choice in the matter of self defense, the other is the result of reckless, negligent, or malicious action. Then there's the state approved case of homicide by decree as in the case of war or "special operation". And of course there's also the case of homicide by cop which can be the result of any of the above, and is almost always "excused" or "justified". It is called a travesty of justice. She felt one way , was required to vote with her heart, and did not. Instead she let a booklet intimidate her... I would call it jury tampering by the state but thats me... AND why is juror b 37 ignorant of his apology he already gave. Make no mistake Zimmerman said he was sorry at the bail hearing. It was highly irregular. Was nothing from the former hearings presented in this case? Who needs expensive defense when you have the prosecutor and judge in your pocket. I mean seriously, if he was convicted he had the auto appeal ready what with the dumb ass judge swearing him in against his 5th amendment rights... Jesus christ... Those assholes know little to nothing about him. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
She may have already made her identity known, and is going public with regrets to try to save her own butt from getting lynched.
Make no mistake Zimmerman said he was sorry at the bail hearing. It was highly irregular. Was nothing from the former hearings presented in this case? The only thing he was sorry about was that Trayvon died, not that he defended himself from the thief and thug. Trayvon is in hell now, do you want to join him by supporting him? Try telling God almighty "no justice, no peace" and see how it works out for you. God is always good!
She's a fellow Lean slurper.
In the climate of hate stirred up by the Preznit and the whores of the controlled media (all intentional) she is now in an environment where wackos on Psych Drugs, and stoked up on implanted and engendered hate, are likely to do anything. Trayvon Martin, based on the available evidence, was a drugged up little thug whose irrational temper tantrum got him killed in self defense by George Zimmerman. Zimmerman was nothing more than a man doing the right thing - attempting to stand guard between a thug and his victims. He tit, do you feel the same way about Roderick Scott as you do George Zimmerman. Or does he get a free pass because he was a black man who killed a white teenager? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own. I guess George Zimmerman should have time his beat-down to shoot Saint Trayvon during the last second he was conscious and then passed out, that's the only way he could have got any sympathy from the rabble-rousers who want his head served on a platter.
#2. To: Artisan (#1)
The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury
#3. To: Horse (#0)
(Edited)
#4. To: Horse (#0)
"That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#5. To: Horse (#0)
Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.
#6. To: Artisan (#1)
this deluded woman might need zimm"s help if/when the vengeful loons track her down now that she was stupid enough to give her name, face,career, & family details.
#7. To: titorite (#5)
(Edited)
#8. To: Horse (#0)
#9. To: Pinguinite (#6)
She may have already made her identity known, and is going public with regrets to try to save her own butt from getting lynched.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#10. To: titorite (#5)
#11. To: Horse (#0)
Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch.
-Alex Kurtagic
#12. To: X-15 (#11)
Seems to me that the juror who talked all that stupid $#it, about how he "got away with murder" really doesn't understand that people kill (not murder) other people when it's a matter of self defense every day. Trayvon Martin would have killed Zimmerman if Zimmerman hadn't killed him. I don't blame Zimmerman one iota for defending himself. I guess George Zimmerman should have time his beat-down to shoot Saint Trayvon during the last second he was conscious and then passed out, that's the only way he could have got any sympathy from the rabble-rousers who want his head served on a platter.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#13. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
Now you know why some cops carry a "throw-down": they don't want ANY doubts when they have to shoot somebody under less-than-ideal circumstances. Zimmerman was right in defending himself, but he had no way of knowing that it would blow up in his face like it did.
-Alex Kurtagic
#14. To: X-15 (#13)
I imagine that he has wished every day since then that he had not gotten out of his truck. That being said, he did nothing illegal. Trayvon sucker punched him and from the looks of things was trying to injure him very seriously and, in my opinion, would not care if he had killed him. I can't even imagine how someone as double minded as this juror seems to be ever makes it through the day.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon sucker punched anyone. You are blindly accepting Zimmerman's version of how the fight started as an article of faith.
#16. To: RickyJ (#7)
Did God personally appoint you to judge his soul? Trayvon is in hell now
#17. To: strepsiptera (#15)
The evidence is the picture of his bleeding and swollen nose...also the bleeding on the back of his head. There is also evidence of grass on Zim's back, none on Trayvon's. There is also eye witness testimony that Trayvon was beating on Zimmerman while he yelled for help. There is a lot of physical evidence indicating that Trayvon struck Zimmerman and none to the contrary. Why do you ignore this physical evidence? There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon sucker punched anyone.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#18. To: strepsiptera (#15)
Actually there is evidence, circumstantial, but evidence. The one good eyewitness gave a description that best fit St. Trayvon as being on top of Zimmerman beating his head into the concrete. The wounds, the back of his skull, broken nose, and the witness testimony clearly indicate that Zimmerman was telling the truth. The Jury, which appears to have been predisposed to convict, acquitted him, and are now running for cover because of all of the hatreds inflamed by the stilted, biased, Perception Management Press coverage. Combined of course with the blather emanating from the orifice of the Usurper-In-Chief who clearly demonstrated his "objectivity" or lack thereof. It has been clear from almost the beginning that this regrettable incident was the result of poor judgement, and racial animosity, on the part of St. Trayvon the immaculate.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#19. To: abraxas (#17)
Your insight speaks well of you young Jedi. :-)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#20. To: Original_Intent (#9)
No evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was under the influence of drugs unless you count smoking weed a few days earlier. The purple drank theory is equivalent to saying that because I have purchased sudafed within the past year that proves that I am on meth. Speculation based on the purchase of totally legal substances does not equal evidence. based on the available evidence, was a drugged up little thug
#21. To: abraxas (#17)
I didn't say he never struck him. A sucker punch means a completely unprovoked and unexpected punch usually to the face. We don't know how exactly the fight started. The claim of a sucker punch is based on accepting Zimmerman's version of events without question.
#22. To: X-15 (#13)
At the time he was thinking about one thing and one thing only, surviving. If you don't survive then what happens later doesn't really matter. Only he and God knows whether he needed to use that gun or not. Listening to him screaming for help, I think he thought he had no other choice. Now you know why some cops carry a "throw-down": they don't want ANY doubts when they have to shoot somebody under less-than-ideal circumstances. Zimmerman was right in defending himself, but he had no way of knowing that it would blow up in his face like it did.
God is always good!
#23. To: strepsiptera (#21)
So, you aree that Trayvon struck him.......sucker or not is not all that relevant. This is called assault and battery. All evidence points to Zimmerman acting in self defense. All evidence indicates that Zimmerman did not punch at all. So, you are okay with Trayvon striking people? And when he opts to do so the person he strikes should lay down and take it? I didn't say he never struck him
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#24. To: Original_Intent (#18)
There is circumstantial evidence that based on very minor cuts to the back of the head of Zimmerman, thatTrayvon was on top for at least some part of the fight. There is no proof, other than taking Zimmerman's word for it that anyone was having their head bashed in. The injuries are not severe enough to prove that. Zimmerman's story makes it sound like he was in imminent danger of skull fracture. There is simply no proof for that.
#25. To: Horse (#0)
Standard operating procedure. Both sides wanted a jury that would not think and reason. They selected jurors based upon their ignorance. As is usually the case. Neither the Persecution or the Defense want intelligent jurors who will actually think for themselves and apply logic to the decision. They want malleable pieces of human jello. In this case the Persecution was likely angling to play up the "poor young lad, almost like your own son" angle thus hoping to play on maternal instinct. Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#26. To: strepsiptera (#24) (Edited)
Thank God you weren't on the jury. He didn't have to have any proof of anything other than that he felt that his life was in danger by the thief and thug Trayvon Martin who got justice that night as far as I am concerned! I am sick of you poor little Trayvon people, and I am sure God is sick of you too! There is circumstantial evidence that based on very minor cuts to the back of the head of Zimmerman, thatTrayvon was on top for at least some part of the fight. There is no proof, other than taking Zimmerman's word for it that anyone was having their head bashed in. The injuries are not severe enough to prove that. Zimmerman's story makes it sound like he was in imminent danger of skull fracture. There is simply no proof for that.
God is always good!
#27. To: abraxas (#23)
You don't have a right to pick a fight with someone and then shoot them because you are getting your ass kicked. Most fights don't start with sucker punches. Usually it is angry words followed by pushing and shoving followed by kicks or punches. Zimmerman's claim of an unprovoked assault was important to the defense's case but there is no evidence for that other than Zimmerman's word.
#28. To: strepsiptera (#21)
Actually you are factually deficient again. A sucker punch is normally from behind. An unexpected punch coming out of nowhere and usually intended to disable or disorient an opponent before they have the opportunity to react to the unperceived danger. Often the blow is aimed as a "Karate Chop" (something a Mixed Martial Artist would be familiar with) at the back of the neck. If delivered correctly and with enough force it can drop a man to his knees before he has a chance to defend himself. And again you are diligently avoiding the eyewitness testimony, the description of which, can only place St. Trayvon on top of the "Creepy ass Cracka'". I didn't say he never struck him. A sucker punch means a completely unprovoked and unexpected punch usually to the face. We don't know how exactly the fight started. The claim of a sucker punch is based on accepting Zimmerman's version of events without question.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#29. To: Original_Intent (#28)
I think some people want to fuck the kid, they are so love with this little a-hole. They will get see him some day I think, in hell. And again you are diligently avoiding the eyewitness testimony, the description of which, can only place St. Trayvon on top of the "Creepy ass Cracka'".
God is always good!
#30. To: strepsiptera (#27)
There is no evidence that Zimmerman picked a fight with Trayvon. He was a neighborhood watch guy watching the neighborhood. He said nothing to Trayvon. He reported Trayvon to the police. He was waiting for the police to meet with him. Trayvon had ample time to simply walk home. All evidence indicates he returned to kick some "crazy ass cracker" butt. Obviously, Trayvon thought the cracker was unarmed and would simply take it. He thought wrong. All evidence indicates that Trayvon picked the fight, not the other way around. And yes, Zimmerman had a right to defend himself when attacked. There is no evidence that Zimmerman assaulted or even spoke to Trayvon. The evidence from the star witness indicates that Trayvon provoked the angry words. The physical evidence indicates Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman. You don't have a right to pick a fight with someone and then shoot them
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#31. To: abraxas (#30)
Most of the people that want Zimmerman's head for this would have shot Trayvon even faster if he was attacking them. They are supreme hypocrites driven by emotional propaganda that the media dishes out on a daily basis. There is no evidence that Zimmerman assaulted or even spoke to Trayvon. The evidence from the star witness indicates that Trayvon provoked the angry words. The physical evidence indicates Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman.
God is always good!
#32. To: strepsiptera (#24)
There is nothing "circumstantial" about it. The photographs taken clearly show that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of his head. As well you ignore the fact that his nose was also broken. Both of those are consistent with BOTH Zimmerman's account and that of the one eyewitness close enough to observe what was going on. The eyewitness's account most clearly indicts St. Trayvon as being on top while he beat the shit out of Zimmerman. It seems to me that you are trying to excuse St. Trayvon's behavior in any way you can by trying to assert Zimmerman as having been guilty of aggressive behavior toward Trayvon. And again you would like to rearrange the stipulated, witnessed facts, that Zimmerman was not injured and that it was he, not Trayvon, that was on top DESPITE the eyewitness testimony which indicates that St. Trayvon was on top. A man who is fighting for his life against an aggressor threatening to kill him and who is beating his head into the ground at the time can be reasonably be expected to be in fear for his life. As well St. Trayvon was carrying on him 2 of the 3 ingredients required for making the street drug lean. One of the side effects observed of lean users is their inclination toward irrational rages. So, are you arguing that the photograph showing the cuts and bleeding on the back of Zimmerman's head are false, or that a man on the receiving end of the kind of force necessary to create them, while having his nose broken, cannot have a reasonable fear for the safety of his life? here is circumstantial evidence that based on very minor cuts to the back of the head of Zimmerman, ...
Zimmerman's story makes it sound like he was in imminent danger of skull fracture. There is simply no proof for that.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#33. To: strepsiptera (#15)
No evidence except for the injuries Zimmerman had which were consistent with the account he gave. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon sucker punched anyone.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#34. To: Original_Intent (#28)
So if this alleged sucker punch was from behind then why did Zimmerman have a bloody nose? A punch coming from behind would strike the back or side of the head.
#35. To: strepsiptera (#20)
Wha-wha-what? St. Trayvon smoked weed? And how do you know it was a few days earlier? Your evidence is ...? Strawman argument. The two are not equivalent and you know it. Trayvon went to the store and the only two things he purchased were 2 of the 3 ingredients required to make "lean". And we know from his online postings that he was a "lean" user as there are screen captures of his postings (along with quite few others that were dramatizing his violent inclinations). Does that prove that he bought those 2 of 3 ingredients for the purpose of making lean? No. However, it is interesting to note that the persecution kept insisting upon calling it iced tea when it was not. Evidently they likely thought that is what it was for. No evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was under the influence of drugs a few days earlier.
The purple drank theory is equivalent to saying that because I have purchased sudafed within the past year that proves that I am on meth.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#36. To: strepsiptera (#34)
Again you are clutching at Strawmen. The eyewitness observed what could only be trayvon on top of Zimmerman raining blows down upon his face with Zimmerman, on the bottom, calling out for help. A sucker punch from behind does not guarantee that the person attacked is going to land on his face. It is entirely possible that Zimmerman's nose was broken when Trayvon sucker punched him, but I can only reconstruct things from what the observed evidence is. I was not there, AND neither were you. Yet, you seem to have mounted your crystal ball and read Zimmerman's mind while your fancies carried you back to the night that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman. I operate on evidence, NOT supposition. I can reconstruct what probably occurred based upon the available evidence, but I was not there to observe exactly how things went down. However, Zimmerman's account along with the eyewitness and physical evidence seems to clearly indicate that St. Trayvon initiated the aggression and Zimmerman defended himself. In your preconceptions and prejudices you may want to believe otherwise, but the evidence does not support you. So if this alleged sucker punch was from behind then why did Zimmerman have a bloody nose? A punch coming from behind would strike the back or side of the head.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#37. To: Original_Intent (#32)
Stalking someone with a gun is aggressive behavior. Trayvon doesn't need to be injured for Zimmerman to be guilty of assault. If Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon then Zimmerman would be guilty of assault and Trayvon's punch would be self defense. Robitussin is the only one of those ingredients which is even a drug. The other two things do nothing. A drug without the active ingredient is not a drug.
#38. To: strepsiptera (#37)
FYI: Saint Trayvon had pot in his blood AND liver damage typical of overdosing (at 17!!).
-Alex Kurtagic
#39. To: strepsiptera (#37)
And your proof that Zimmerman was stalking pooooooooor Trayvon, is? Zimmerman was the local Neighborhood Watch Captain in a mixed neighborhood that had been subject to multiple break ins and burglaries over the preceding months. He had already, in earlier incidents, shown a willingness to help and defend neighbors some of which were elderly and black. In all cases where the criminals conducting the break-ins and burglaries were observed they were black youths. Trayvon, from Zimmerman's 911 call, WAS behaving suspiciously; peering into unlit houses and appearing to be casing the neighborhood. That is consistent with prior events, and Trayvon, if not for political correctness, should have already been reported to the police as a locker search at school yielded stolen property and what was described as a burglary tool. Oh, and the Jury was not allowed to be told that, or the multiple times Trayvon had been ejected from school for his violent behavior, but they nevertheless did not see enough evidence to convict. Even without knowing Trayvon's criminal history. You seem addicted to strawman arguments. Your argument is logically equivalent to saying that finding someone with Hydrosulfuric acid and Glycerin does not mean that they had no intention of acquiring some nice Nitric Acid in order to finish making a batch of Nitroglycerin. No, having 2 of the 3 ingredients for making a drug is not clear proof of intent. However, again if you go and look at Trayvon's online postings he clearly knew what the ingredients required were, had used it in the past (remember the autopsy found liver damage i.e., deposits not normally found on the liver of a healthy clean and sober 17 year old), and his postings show at least one attempt to "score" some codeine online. Again you are clutching at straws and trying to absolve pooooooooor St. Trayvon who by all records and accounts was a violent little thug who used drugs. Sorry, but all you can do at this point is try to obfuscate and evade. Unfortunately, all modesty aside, I am too schooled in logic to fall prey to such tactics. Stalking someone with a gun is aggressive behavior.
"Robitussin is the only one of those ingredients which is even a drug. The other two things do nothing. A drug without the active ingredient is not a drug. "
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#40. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#39)
strepsiptera seems to be under the impression that you are entitled to your own opinon as well as your own facts. But the known facts of the case, not just supposition in the minds of people who weren't there, are consistent with the story Zimmerman told.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#40)
That reminds me of a favorite quote of Daniel Patrick Moynihan (one of the few liberals I actually respected): Exactly. I am willing to admit I could be wrong, BUT based upon the available evidence it is consistent with St. Trayvon having "gone off on the Crazy ass Cracka'" and as a result got himself killed in self defense when the "Crazy ass Cracka" defended himself. While by the neighborhood watch guidelines Zimmerman should not have been packing heat, he appears to have needed it to defend his life. While Zimmerman's behavior can be questioned - as to whether he should have withdrawn more quickly he nevertheless appears to have been disengaging when the poor sainted Trayvon jumped him. There is absolutely NO evidence that Zimmerman initiated the contact, and that is the one fact that the people trying to turn this into the big bad not-so-white guy who grew up with other black kids, was himself part black, was just following poooooooooooor St. Trayvon at night in a neighborhood that had experienced multiple burglaries and break-ins because he was a rayciss. Give me A break! "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts."
But the known facts of the case, not just supposition in the minds of people who weren't there, are consistent with the story Zimmerman told.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#42. To: Original_Intent (#39)
Being the same race as someone who committed a crime does not make you a criminal. Zimmerman jumped to the conclusion that Trayvon was a criminal based primarily on his race. That is why race is an issue in this case. Zimmerman sounds paranoid and delusional on the 911 tape. There is no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was doing anything criminal or even suspicious on the night that he was killed. In all cases where the criminals conducting the break-ins and burglaries were observed they were black youths.
#43. To: James Deffenbach (#40)
My problem with the way you and others are looking at this is that you are accepting Zimmerman's word as some kind of absolute truth on issues on which there is no way of knowing for certain what happened. You have no evidence for a sucker punch, no evidence that the escalation from words to violence was done by Trayvon, no evidence that Trayvon was engaged in criminal behavior on the night he was killed, and no proof that Zimmerman was getting his head bashed into the cement. If Zimmerman's version of events is so airtight that it is beyond question then why didn't he testify and why was he afraid of being cross examined? The prosecution made a stupid mistake in allowing the video re-enactment tape. Had Zimmerman testified and been cross examined it is very likely that at least some parts of his story would have fallen apart.
#44. To: strepsiptera (#42)
No it does not, but when you are in a neighborhood at night "casing" houses it is reasonable, and prudent, to ask if that suspicious person is up to no good. Zimmerman did not try to arrest him, he merely kept tabs on him while he called 911. There is nothing aggressive in that and given the history of the neighborhood, and Trayvon's behavior, it was not unreasonable to question what he was doing. Again you can't have "your own" "facts". What we can observe and draw from conclusions from is what is in evidence. Zimmerman was the Neighborhood Watch Captain and so it was entirely reasonable for him to keep tabs on suspicious behavior. I've been on the Neighborhood Watch and I have had a couple of incidents where I did have to call 911. So, was my keeping a watch on the neighborhood an aggressively criminal offense? Did my keeping watch entitle the people I was keeping tabs on to attack me? Just remember: "When seconds count the Police are only minutes away." And again Zimmerman did not draw a conclusion that Trayvon was behaving suspiciously because of his race, it was because he was behaving suspiciously. Remember the 911 tape? Zimmerman was not even sure of the race of the person he was following until the 911 Operator asked him and he looked. Even then he was not sure - his answer to the question was, "I think he's black." That is also the reason for Zimmerman's defamation lawsuit as ABC Snooze edited the tape and cut out all of the intervening words thus creating a false impression in their reporting. Gee, that sure sounds like Klan material to me. /sarcasm Oh, really? Pray do tell? Given that Zimmerman called 911 and the description of suspicious behavior is on the tape perhaps you can pull out your crystal ball and decipher it for us. And again it was SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR that, from the 911 tape, caught Zimmerman's eye, not the color of Trayvon's hide which he was not sure of till the 911 Operator asked him to look. Again, you are welcome to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Being the same race as someone who committed a crime does not make you a criminal.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was doing anything criminal or even suspicious on the night that he was killed.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#45. To: abraxas (#10)
Nobody gets a free pass. Not even you. Tryanny is tyranny. Injustuce is injustice. That fucker sounds as guilty as zimmerman. This aint about white guilt... Thats stupid. It is just about justice and their aint none... So their is another example of a waste of life. Another POS coward with gun that would rather put a bullet in you than shake your hand. Whats the point?
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#46. To: Original_Intent (#44) (Edited)
Zimmermans myspace page refers to mexicans as thugs, beaners and the like... Self loathers are the worst.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#47. To: RickyJ (#7) (Edited)
No, I want to avoid joining you on your path. I can not judge a mans soul and woe to the fool that tries to play God. rayvon is in hell now, do you want to join him by supporting him?
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#48. To: strepsiptera, James Deffenbach (#43)
No. That is NOT a true statement. The evidence both physical and circumstantial supports Zimmerman's account. The one eyewitness testified that the person on top fit Trayvon's description. Again, you can have your own opinion but you cannot have your own facts. You have produced NOT 1, none, zero, nada, not any facts which support your "feelings". Because that is what they are, feelings not facts. You evidently have decided that St. Trayvon was a poor innocent babe and Zimmerman was an aggressive ogre despite all of the evidence to the contrary. That is why the Persecution had to bring to the stand such stellar witnesses as Jeantel - whose statement was in cursive but on the stand she admitted that she cannot read cursive. What doesn't fit and why? You know this how? Based on what evidence? My problem with the way you and others are looking at this is that you are accepting Zimmerman's word as some kind of absolute truth on issues on which there is no way of knowing for certain what happened.
Had Zimmerman testified and been cross examined it is very likely that at least some parts of his story would have fallen apart.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#49. To: Artisan (#1)
Other way around; people in the neighborhood already knew she was on the jury. So who knows what she really thinks. now that she was stupid enough to give her name, face,career, & family details.
"If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'"
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#50. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
She comes off better in the video, IMO. Remember the media IS trying to stir things up.
"If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'"
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#51. To: strepsiptera (#15)
There is evidence. He was black. Blacks will attack from behind. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon sucker punched anyone.
"If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'"
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#52. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#51)
So will Whites, Asians, Turks, Poles, Mexicans, Guatamalens, Lithuanians, Texans, Aborigines, ... It depends upon the individual, not the color of their skin.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
He was not defending himself from a kid begging for help. The sound of the tape is running around shouting for help in different places.. Unless yelling for help can kill someone St Zimmerman is the one with the dirty deed. I don't blame Zimmerman one iota for defending himself.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#54. To: Turtle (#2)
Yeah but you hate all women turtle. She should have never been on the jury. I doubt her IQ is over 100.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#55. To: Original_Intent (#48)
I have seen the original pictures OI... UNless the paramedic cleaned out his nostrols, and washed out his beard , jews have been at work here. NO grass on his back here Here is a little bloody and no black eyes...and that weird dot nose blood drip. Let us look at a cleaned up picture of him from the same night. His mustache and nostrols have been wiped out... OK so this only proves that zimm might of used a netty pot to clean out his nose before the interview about the murder began... I can run with that. Here is the picture of trayvons pants... Note the grass stains on his knees... I doubt he died on his feet. 
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#56. To: titorite (#55)
Just reviewing the evidence: Which would be consistent with the eyewitness description of Trayvon straddling Zimmerman, who was on his back on the lawn, while he pummeled him. Given that per the reports he was attended to, at the Police Station, by the Paramedics who arrived on the scene that is not surprising. It just shows that he was cleaned up. However, the photos you don't have here are the ones of the back of his head before he was cleaned up. That ridge of red on his nose is consistent with his nose having been broken as is the bloody one above. Having had my own nose broken I can assure you that while it is painful it does not show a lot after the intitial bloody mess has been cleaned up. (I can still feel a ridge where it was broken and then later re-set by the Reconstructive Surgeon who patched me up. My nose was broken in 7 places - ouch.) I cannot entirely account for the back of his jacket. I wish the photo showed his hind end better as that would be more telling. Denim would hold a grass stain better than a nylon shell. Here is the picture of trayvons pants... Note the grass stains on his knees...
His mustache and nostrols have been wiped out...
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#57. To: Original_Intent (#56)
That is because he did not clean up his back... those pictures were taken with in 45 minutes of the incident.. Zimmerman did not throw his cloths in the wash machine. Those are the cloths he was wearing. He never got his jacket dirty. However, the photos you don't have here are the ones of the back of his head before he was cleaned up.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#58. To: titorite (#57)
Do we even know whether he was wearing the jacket when Trayvon jumped him? He could have put it on after the fact and thus any grass stains would be on his shirt. Not enough data to resolve it one way or the other. The shots of the back of his head were, if I recall correctly, taken at the scene. So, 45 minutes later, after he had been attended to and cleaned up, it is not surprising that they are gone. I'm sorry but I remain unconvinced. Everything I am seeing, with the exception of a few picked nits, points in the direction of Trayvon having been the aggressor and Zimmerman the defender.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#59. To: Horse (#0)
Eight children? Really? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. And don't anyone give me B.S. about Catholicism. Re: modified rhythm birth control www.scientificamerican.co...ural-family-planning-stm- as-effective-as-the-contraceptive-pill snip A new German study, however, has found that, when practiced correctly, a method of periodic abstinence known as the sympto-thermal method (STM) leads to an unintended pregnancy rate of only 0.6 percent annually. This rate is comparable with that of unintended pregnancies in women who use birth control pills, the most popular method of contraception in the U.S. For the sympto-thermal method to work, women must keep track of three things: their core body temperature, the fertile days of their cycle as measured by a calendar, and their cervical secretions. Using this information, women are able to abstain from sex during their fertile period, which includes several days prior to and after the day of ovulation.
#60. To: titorite (#53)
Trayvon took the homophobic advice of his gal pal and decided to teach a*s cracker, Zimmerman, a lesson. He picked the wrong cracker. Why are you supporting a homophobic drug dealing thief, anyhow? St Zimmerman is the one with the dirty deed.
#61. To: Horse (#0)
This broad is typical of what passes for a juror these days. Stupid and ignorant.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
– Plato (429-347 BC)
#62. To: titorite (#45)
Another POS coward with gun that would rather put a bullet in you than shake your hand. True, not even St. Trayvon. If you assault a person, expect that person to defend themselves. I would do the same. It isn't tryanny (sic) or injustuce (sic)...it is self defense. Do you think that Trayvon would have assaulted the "creepy ass cracker" if he knew that he was armed? Trayvon didn't want to shake the "creepy as cracker" hand. He wanted to beat the shit out of the "creepy ass cracker" but that didn't work out as he planned. Nobody gets a free pass. Not even you. Tryanny is tyranny. Injustuce is injustice.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#63. To: Original_Intent (#58)
Yes, because eye witnesses identified the person in the red jacket as the person on the bottom getting beaten by the person in the hoodie. Grass marks were found on Zimmerman's jacket and none were found on Trayvon's jacket. Trayvon had grass marks on his knees only. Do we even know whether he was wearing the jacket when Trayvon jumped him?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#64. To: titorite (#57)
Evidence presented to the jury shows grass marks on the back of Zimmerman's jacket....also eye witness testimony from detectives substantiate this. Did you even bother to look at any of the evidence presented in this case? Are you still harping about fingerprints on the gun when none, not even Zimmerman's, were found? He never got his jacket dirty.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#65. To: strepsiptera (#43)
If Zimmerman's version of events is so airtight that it is beyond question then why didn't he testify and why was he afraid of being cross examined? No, it isn't likely. Seven times Zimmerman gave up his right to the 5th and provided statements to the police.......SEVEN TIMES. All of which were presented at trial. Isn't that enough telling of the story? The story was consistent every time. When an attorney advises a client not to take the stand, a smart defendant takes the advice. It has nothing to do with fear of being cross examined. This is another straw man because you didn't get the result you wanted. Sheesh, the prosecution in this case was a bunch of boobs, nothing to fear. Did you see how they handled their own star witness? lol Had Zimmerman testified and been cross examined it is very likely that at least some parts of his story would have fallen apart.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#66. To: Original_Intent (#56)
Also, it was raining that night. Wet jackets actually dry in 45 minutes. I cannot entirely account for the back of his jacket. I wish the photo showed his hind end better as that would be more telling. Denim would hold a grass stain better than a nylon shell.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#67. To: titorite (#57)
Nylon dries quickly. Detectives on the scene testified that Zim's jacket was wet and had grass on it when they arrived. They took photos. These photos were presented in court. Are you now claiming that the detectives gave false testimony and false pictures? those pictures were taken with in 45 minutes of the incident..
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#68. To: titorite (#53)
Well, the only actual witness said it was Zimmerman. The black lady who testified from home (or the hospital or wherever she was) said that it was a white male who was calling for help. But you were there and you know better I guess. He was not defending himself from a kid begging for help.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#69. To: Original_Intent (#41)
It is hard to believe that St. Trayvon has all these people who are willing to ignore any and all evidence which tends to show their hero was not the innocent child they want so desperately to believe in. They sound like people who might still believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. Exactly. I am willing to admit I could be wrong, BUT based upon the available evidence it is consistent with St. Trayvon having "gone off on the Crazy ass Cracka'" and as a result got himself killed in self defense when the "Crazy ass Cracka" defended himself.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#70. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#48)
Some folks don't need facts and evidence, they have feewings. You know this how? Based on what evidence?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#71. To: titorite (#53)
That sounds somewhat insane. Why would someone on top of another person and beating the crap out of them be calling for help unless he was trying to get some of his homies to come and help him finish off the "creepy ass cracker"? People who believe they are winning a fight never holler for help, at least I have never heard of anyone who did. He was not defending himself from a kid begging for help.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#72. To: titorite (#54)
No, I don't. Many women, however, need to be spanked once a day and twice on Sundays. I'll say this, though: when people act like normal people, I act like a normal guy. On the other hand, when they do not, they are always surprised at what a psycho I am. That includes women, since in these days of women thinking they are equal to men except when they don't want to be, I treat them as men whether they want it or not. Yeah but you hate all women turtle.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
#73. To: James Deffenbach (#71)
So now you are hallucinating an entire gang of homies lurking somewhere in the shadows? and you are the one accusing me of magical thinking?
#74. To: Original_Intent (#44)
The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood, which Zimmerman chose to subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia. Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. Zimmerman was not a neutral person trying to investigate the situation. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape.
#75. To: Original_Intent (#32)
I have to take issue with your definition of circumstantial evidence both in this post and a later post. Here is the wikipedia definition of circumstantial evidence: Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact— like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference. On its own, it is the nature of circumstantial evidence for more than one explanation to still be possible. Inference from one piece of circumstantial evidence may not guarantee accuracy. Circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection, so that the pieces then become corroborating evidence. Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more valid as proof of a fact when the alternative explanations have been ruled out. Circumstantial evidence allows a trier of fact to deduce a fact exists.[1] In criminal law, the inference is made by the trier of facts in order to support the truth of assertion (of guilt or absence of guilt). Testimony can be direct evidence or it can be circumstantial. If the witness claims they saw the crime take place, this is considered direct evidence. For instance, a witness saying that the defendant stabbed the victim is direct evidence. By contrast, a witness who says that she saw the defendant enter a house, that she heard screaming, and that she saw the defendant leave with a bloody knife gives circumstantial evidence. It is the necessity for inference, and not the obviousness of a conclusion, that determines whether or not evidence is circumstantial. Forensic evidence supplied by an expert witness is usually circumstantial evidence. A forensic scientist who testifies that ballistics proves the defendant’s firearm killed the victim provides circumstantial evidence from which the defendant’s guilt can be inferred. (Note that an inference of guilt could be incorrect if the person who actually fired the weapon was somebody else.) On the other hand, the additional circumstantial evidence of the defendant's fingerprint on the trigger would dovetail with this piece to provide corroborating evidence. Circumstantial evidence is especially important in civil and criminal cases where direct evidence is lacking. Zimmerman's injuries are circumstantial evidence, not direct evidence, because more than one explanation is possible. Physical evidence can be circumstantial and in this case is. The witness testimony is direct evidence, but it is very weak direct evidence because the witnesses did not have a clear view and chose to stay indoors talking to the cops on the phone rather than stepping outside and clearly observing what was going on. Zimmerman's cuts to the back of his head do not prove that he was having his skull beaten into the concrete. They could be interpretted to support the claim that Zimmerman was on the bottom during some part of the fight but even that is an inference based on circumstantial evidence. There is no medical evidence of Zimmerman having a broken nose. The picture of Zimmerman with a bloody nose is circumstantial physical evidence. Zimmerman could have gotten a bloody nose any number of ways and a bloody nose does not prove a broken nose or a sucker punch or even a punch at all. there is nothing circumstantial about it
#76. To: strepsiptera (#75)
Martin might have stolen Zimmerman's gun and shot himself accidently. It's all circumstantial and relative.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: strepsiptera (#74)
Zimmerman's job as neighborhood watch captain was to patrol the neighborhood watching for suspicious activity. He noticed Martin peeking in windows of several houses, called police, and kept an eye on him till police arrived. Martin, instead of proceeding to his father's house, decided to circle back around and jump Zimmerman. Could you elaborate on your allegation that Zimmerman was somehow "extremely beligerent and hostile" while on the phone with the 911 operator? Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. Zimmerman was not a neutral person trying to investigate the situation. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#78. To: strepsiptera (#75)
Trayvon has this to say to all of you "creepy ass crackas" out there... 
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#79. To: strepsiptera (#74)
subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape. Circumstantial.......you have no proof what so ever that this was all he was doing. You do not know what he was doing. You only have your opinions about what he was doing. You are subjectively interpreting what Zimmerman was doing. You do not know what it was based on.....or you ignore what it was based on. You insert paranoia when you have nothing to base this on. What we do know is that Zimmerman was a neighborhood watchman. He watched the neighborhood. He called the police to report his suspicion. Show me hard evidence that Trayvon wasn't up to anything suspicious. Define suspicious. He calmly answered the questions posed by the police respectfully. What are you calling belligerent? What is hostile? I didn't hear it. Again, you are subjectively interpreting the data. The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#80. To: strepsiptera (#73)
I never said there was "an entire gang of homies lurking somewhere in the shadows," now did I? You are making $#it up as you go along. Here is what I actually said---"Why would someone on top of another person and beating the crap out of them be calling for help unless he was trying to get some of his homies to come and help him finish off the "creepy ass cracker"? Did you catch that word "unless"? I don't know if he had any of his gang around or not but I do know that no one who is beating the shit out of someone else is going to be hollering for help. Not your Saint Trayvon or anyone else. So now you are hallucinating an entire gang of homies lurking somewhere in the shadows? and you are the one accusing me of magical thinking?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#81. To: strepsiptera (#75)
Wrong, they're direct evidence. Zs neighbor, Jonathan Good, a witness for the prosecution no less, witnessed Skittles on top of Z punching him in the face "MMA" style. Zimmerman's injuries are circumstantial evidence, not direct evidence,
#82. To: James Deffenbach (#71)
....a kid begging for help....
#83. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach, strepsiptera (#79)
subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape. Ol' "twisted-winged parasites" head is going to explode with anger about this news... nationalreport.net/george...ed-by-their-juvenile-son/ snip George Zimmerman filed a civil suit today just before 5PM EST at the Seminole County, Florida, Courthouse. The suit alleges the parents of Trayvon Martin, failed to control their minor-age son on the evening of February 26, 2012, when Martin repeatedly assaulted Zimmerman, placing him in imminent fear for his life and resulting in the death of Martin. The civil action specifies that Zimmerman acted in self defense resulting in the case being ruled a justifiable homicide by a jury trial that ended on Saturday with a verdict of not guilty. Desperate state prosecutors charged the victim with 2nd degree murder though they had no evidence of a crime and hoping to stay off more violence and having Florida put to the torch at the criminal hands of rioters months before the start of the state’s tourist season. The complaint further specifies Zimmerman shares “zero-liability” in the death of Martin as he acted without malice and solely in self-defense. The amount of damages Zimmerman is seeking are unspecified. The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood
#84. To: scrapper2, abraxas, , James Deffenbach, strepsiptera, titorite (#83) (Edited)
It was interesting reading through the comments on the thread that you linked to. The argument seems to come down to four primary categories: Those who assume Trayvon is innocent because he was black. Those who assume Zimmerman is guilty because he is NOT black. There is a small leavening of White Racists, but most of the real racism evident is Blacks assuming Zimmerman had to be guilty because he is NOT black. Then there is the group which is looking at the actual evidence and asking, "What does the evidence show?" In other words for those who are on the "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" side of the argument it is ALL about race, and the assumption that because Zimmerman IS NOT black that he has to be guilty of stalking "Poooooooooooor St. Trayvon" regardless of what the evidence seems to show. As well is the factor of media bias where the images presented in the major media (over and over and over again) are all several years old showing Trayvon as a 13 or 14 year old kid. That imagery stuck. The major lamestream media has focused on those photos as opposed to more recent ones showing "Poooooooooooor St. Trayvon" with his "Grillwork", his comments on smoking dope, his highly sexualized violent streak, and his search for the ingredients to make "lean". Lean is an important element here as it, per users comments online, tends to induce psychoses and violent behavior. Of course acknowledging that is inconvenient to the "Pooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" Crowd so they attempt to ignore it or evade it by calling people rayciss for daring to notice those facts. The other side is looking at the evidence, which includes "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon's known, and proven, drug use, his own online comments that he likes fighting, that he was trained as a Martial Artist, had a history of criminality such as being kicked out of school for picking fights, and having stolen property found in his locker at school. As well we have the eyewitness testimony placing "Pooooooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" on top applying a serious beat down of George Zimmerman combined with the physical evidence of the beat down. The "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" crowd keeps trying to divert from the facts, invent facts and suppositions that are either not relevant or not in evidence (such as assuming and arguing contrary to the evidence that "Pooooooooor St. Trayvon who appeared to be casing the neighborhood actually was just walking nonchalantly down the street and assuming without any evidence to support the contention that Zimmerman initiated contact with "Poooooooooooor St. Trayvon, and appear to have reached a conclusion based on their own prejudices and suppositions rather than on the available facts). It is unfortunate that the young MAN (he was a 5' 11" Football Player not a little defenseless child) made some poor judgements and, by the evidence, apparently made an unprovoked attack on an armed man. I would also point out to the "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" crowd that "Billy the Kid" was 16 when he killed his first man. Billy, by the way, was white.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#85. To: scrapper2 (#83)
And the Kenyan in the White House will be "all tore up from the floor up" over these developments. Ol' "twisted-winged parasites" head is going to explode with anger about this news...
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#86. To: Original_Intent (#84)
Great post.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#87. To: James Deffenbach (#86)
Merci'. 
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#88. To: Original_Intent (#84)
I believe the autopsy report said 5'11" 156 Lbs.. Just saying. It is unfortunate that the young MAN (he was a 6'3" Football Player not a little defenseless child)
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#89. To: Hmmmmm (#88)
If so I stand corrected. I did not check the source on that physical size datum so I could be in error. However, the rest stands. He was a Football Player, a trained Martial Artist, drug user, and had a history of violent behavior which had gotten him kicked out of school on multiple occasions.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#90. To: Hmmmmm, all (#88)
I did check and you are substantially correct. Per the autopsy (pdf here: media.cmgdigital.com/shar...rayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf ) he was 71 inches (5' 11", 158 pounds) and 158 pounds. Still not the size of a "child".
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#91. To: Turtle (#72)
Many women, however, need to be spanked once a day and twice on Sundays. I'll say this, though: when people act like normal people, I act like a normal guy. On the other hand, when they do not, they are always surprised at what a psycho I am. You know Justin Carter was arrested for less than what you have typed there.... Thank god we don't have many Canadians here. And yes you belittle women and blacks and everything that is not your old ugly ass so Ima haveta say you just an ol dirty hater :p No, I don't.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#92. To: Original_Intent (#90)
160 and 5'11' .. I could kick his ass.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#93. To: Original_Intent (#89)
Where have you got all this information? please link me. However, the rest stands. He was a Football Player, a trained Martial Artist, drug user, and had a history of violent behavior which had gotten him kicked out of school on multiple occasions.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#94. To: Original_Intent (#90)
I'd dig him up and shoot'em again as a warning. I just didn't think you'd want that discrepancy out there. Still not the size of a "child".
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#95. To: titorite, James Deffenbach, abraxas, strepsitera, Lod, Jethro Tull, FormerLurker, christine, all (#93)
There are multiple accounts about his background. Just run a quick search on it. There have even been articles posted on 4um with the basic facts. If people would just examine the facts before they jump to conclusions we would all be engaging in a bit more rational discussion. Witness: Trayvon Martin Attacked George Zimmerman 'MMA Style' Link: www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov.../Trayvon-MMA-style-attack Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George ...: www.thesmokinggun.com/bus...-zimmerman-witness-758903 Media Bias: TrayvonMartin Glorified, Baby Antonio Santiago: victorygirlsblog.com/?p=12909 Trayvon texted about fighting, marijuana & guns | HLNtv.com: www.hlntv.com/article/201...ghting-marijuana-and-guns -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By John Dewar Gleissner Trayvon Martin claimed in a text message to be a gangsta. We should take him at his word and see if that had any role in his death. Was Trayvon Martin a Gangsta? Trayvon Martin was a gangsta. How do we know? That’s a title he claimed for himself in a text message. Trayvon Martin fit the profile of a gangsta fairly well. A “gangsta” or perhaps “wannabe gangsta” in the case of Trayvon Martin is variously defined by the following factors, characteristics or criteria: Wannabe thug : Trayvon Martin talked about fighting in some of his last text messages and according to the evidence at the Zimmerman trial was acting like a thug on the night of his death, because he attacked George Zimmerman after Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon Martin. Age : At age 17, Martin had entered the age and gender cohort, with high testosterone levels, that commits a disproportionate share of the violent, theft and drug crimes in America. Zimmerman had reached age 28, the age at which the human brain on the average reaches maximum development, at the end of that same crime-prevalent cohort. Male Gender : Gangstas are young men. 93% of incarcerated prisoners in America are male. George Zimmerman was male, of course, and had demonstrated some of the same aggressive tendencies that ended up getting them both in trouble. Less Education : Martin had disciplinary problems in high school, was not an enthusiastic student, and was well on his way to being a high school dropout. At the time of his death, Trayvon Martin was serving his third school suspension, because they found a marijuana pipe and a bag with marijuana residue in it. Statistically, an African American male who drops out of high school has a 60% chance of winding up in prison. Anti-Social : A screwdriver and ladies jewelry were found in Trayvon Martin’s back-pack by school authorities, suggesting he was involved in theft or burglary offenses. One of the most significant factors correlated with a lower crime rate is being married. Zimmerman was married and had a job; Trayvon Martin was unmarried, did not have a job and was suspended from school. Zimmerman was in communication with the police; previous to his death, Trayvon Martin complained about the police. Gangs : Hangs around gangs. We do not know if Trayvon Martin was in a gang, but he had tattoos. Immediately before his death, Trayvon Martin’s mother kicked him out of her house and made him go live with his father. Neither parent was sure where he was the night of the shooting, nor did they file any missing person reports. They found out the next day. African-American subculture : Trayvon Martin was an African American aspiring to or reaching the gangsta subculture. Places graffiti on buildings : This is one reason why Trayvon Martin was suspended from school on one occasion. Macho & “Bad” Image : Trayvon Martin referred to women by the “b” word and otherwise demonstrated a gangsta image. His Facebook and other internet photos showed someone shooting birds at the camera, not smiling, with his shirt off, smoking, and otherwise posing in the macho-man bad-ass role. Trayvon Martin appears to have acted in response to the status challenge of Zimmerman, a typical scenario for shootings and deaths involving young men. Violent : Trayvon Martin’s cell phone texts revealed a history of fighting and a propensity for violence. The prosecution objected to the text messages and they were excluded. Martin admitted in a text message that he’s a “gangsta.” Martin’s older half-brother wanted Trayvon Martin to teach him, the older half-brother, how to fight. All the physical evidence shows that Martin was the aggressor, as does the account of George Zimmerman. Martin did not retreat to his father’s residence as he could have, but instead went back to look for trouble. Zimmerman of course should have stayed in his car. George Zimmerman’s nose and head showed signs of being struck by an enraged, physically developed Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman was diagnosed with a closed fracture of his nose, two black eyes, lacerations to the back of his head, a minor back injury, and bruising in his upper lip and cheek. (Emphasis mine) Other than the bullet hole, Martin’s corpse only had a small abrasion on his left ring finger below the knuckle, the exact place where an injury would be on a fighting fist. By all accounts, there was fighting before the gunshot that killed Trayvon Martin. An escalating series of events characterizes most fist-fights and assaults and many homicides. Absence of Religion : This absence runs like a thread through gangsta rap, gangsta culture and gangsta behavior. This is something the ministers who praise his character ought to consider. Owns or admires weapons : Trayvon Martin articulated an interest in obtaining a gun. A picture of a gun was found on Trayvon Martin’s cell phone. According to Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin said he would use Zimmerman’s gun on Zimmerman. In one text message, when Trayvon Martin said he was a gangsta, his friend advised him not to take a bullet in his chest – and of course that’s exactly what ended up happening to Trayvon Martin. Trayvon Martin did not have every characteristic of a gangsta, but he was well on his way at the time of his death. These gangsta leanings help explain his death, as do the actions of George Zimmerman. The escalating series of events on the night of this death, involving two aggressive young men, was unfortunately more typical of shooting deaths than Trayvon Martin’s cause celebre status suggests. The Zimmerman Trial generates debate about the social ills of our country. One thing is clear: The death of Trayvon Martin was about much more than mere skin color. The protestations of racism conceal deeper social problems we see clearly in the gangsta culture. Read more: www.digitaljournal.com/article/354769#ixzz2aBvAUfS4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, I would think the evidence is pretty clear IF people are willing to put aside their preconceptions, and prejudices, and simply look at the facts objectively and let them speak for themselves instead of emoting and assuming that "Pooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" had to be innocent because the horrible "Rayciss" George Zimmerman (Who was Hispanic, black, and Jewish) just had to be as it is the "only" thing that 'splains how "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" met his untimely end. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just to add another: Jack Cahill at WorldNetDaily: www.wnd.com/2013/07/judge-tosses-trayvons-mma-texts/ In still one more of her prosecution-friendly rulings in the second degree murder trial Florida v. George Zimmerman, Judge Debra Nelson ruled on Wednesday that the jury will not see the many texts and photos on Trayvon Martin’s phones dealing with guns and fighting. The ruling followed a lengthy, televised presentation by phone expert Richard Connor Tuesday night on the contents of Martin’s phone. Although the jury was not present, the media were and have no excuse for not reporting what Connor revealed. As the texts made clear, the Martin family attorneys knew what they were doing when they moved to seal Martin’s school records even before the story went public. This exchange between Martin and a female friend on Nov. 21, 2011, three months before his death, spoke to where his life was heading. After he told her he was “tired and sore” from a fight, she asked him why he fought. “Bae” is shorthand for “babe.” MARTIN: Cause man dat nigga snitched on me FRIEND: Bae y you always fightinqq man, you got suspended? MARTIN: Naw we thumped afta skool in a duckd off spot FRIEND: Ohh, Well Damee MARTIN: I lost da 1st round :( but won da 2nd nd 3rd . . . . FRIEND: Ohhh So It Wass 3 Rounds? Damn well at least yu wonn lol but yuu needa stop fighting bae Forreal MARTIN: Nay im not done with fool….. he gone hav 2 see me again FRIEND: Nooo… Stop, yuu waint gonn bee satisified till yuh suspended again, huh? MARTIN: Naw but he aint breed nuff 4 me, only his nose The fight followed the mixed martial arts (MMA) format. A day later, he would tell a friend that his opponent “got mo hits cause in da 1st round he had me on da ground nd I couldn’t do ntn.” As his girlfriend complained, Martin was “always” fighting. He was also something of a sadist. His opponent, after all, did not bleed enough. Why might this be relevant? Jonathan Good, the closest of the eyewitnesses to the shooting, testified last week that a there was a “black man in a black hoodie on top of either a white guy … or an Hispanic guy in a red sweater on the ground yelling out help,” and that black man on top was “throwing down blows on the guy MMA [mixed martial arts] style.” On Nov. 22, the day after the MMA-style fight, Martin told a friend that his mother “just kicked me out” and that he had to move in with his father. When the friend asked why, Martin answered, “Da police caught me outta skool.” Said the friend, “U a hoodlum.” “Naw,” said Martin. “I’m a gangsta.” On Dec. 21, 2011, Martin told a friend, “dam I just got in trouble 4 sum sh** I aint even do.” His mother, Sybrina Fulton, was dismayed. “Pack up your clothes now,” she texted him. On Dec. 22, Martin confided to a girlfriend, “I got in trouble.” She asked, “What did you do now.” As was typical, Martin took no responsibility. “I aint do ntn . . . . call me.” On the day before Christmas, his mother texted Martin, “I’m concerned about u but I’m praying for u and I want U to pray for yourself EVERYDAY, ok.” She was texting the son she used to know. On Jan. 6, 2012, Martin got into trouble at school again. When asked why, he told a friend, “Caus I was watcn a fight nd a teacher say I hit em.” Said the friend, “Idk how u be getting in trouble an sh**.” By this time, Martin’s mother had thrown him out of the house for “fightn,” and he had moved in with his aunt and uncle. The multiple texts about “weed” and the photos of marijuana plants confirmed Martin’s interests in drugs. On Feb. 21, five days before the shooting, “Weedhead” – as a friend called Martin – took the bus for Orlando to stay with his father’s girlfriend, Brandy Green. Martin was free to travel because his school had suspended him again, this time for possession of marijuana and a pipe. The bust did little to sober him up. “I hid m weed,” he confided to a girlfriend, afraid that he might have been searched before the trip. He texted later that day, “I got weed nd I get money Friday.” The text and photos pointed to an even more dangerous new hobby, namely guns. Indeed, one of the photos of Trayvon Martin’s showed a hand, likely Martin’s own, on a pistol. Guns excited him. “U got heat??” he enthused upon learning that a friend had access to a gun. On the bus trip to Orlando, Martin was negotiating to buy a handgun with a friend. “U wanna share a .380?” he asked. Upon leaving Miami, Martin seemed to be growing angrier. On Feb. 21, he texted a girlfriend who was pouting about another girl, presumably in Sanford. Wrote Martin, “f***z u cuz I neva text ha 2 day I made dat sh** up so u leav me df alone bout it.” Two days later, on Feb. 23, a friend tried to warn Martin off some behavior that troubled even the friend. “I ain’t ya parent,” he texted him, “but gsh** thro it away.” Martin was not in the mood to be lectured to. “Y u gotta knock my hustle??” he shot back. One of the more indicative messages revealed by Connor came from Martin’s younger half-brother, Demetrius Martin. Last seen in the media crying as he remembered his brother during a “March for Peace,” this message had Demetrius asking Martin when he was “going to teach me to fight.” If Zimmerman is convicted, insiders think Nelson’s ruling so inappropriate that it will get the conviction overturned and perhaps even get the case dismissed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I could continue to pile it on, but I am not interested in offending but in making my point. Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was neither a saint nor without a record to show that he was inclined toward violent behavior. Op-Ed: Was Trayvon Martin a Gangsta?
Uses and/or sells drugs : His text messages praised marijuana smoking and THC metabolites were found in his body during the autopsy.
Two of the items he purchased at the grocery store the night of his death were considered ingredients for Purple Drank, a dangerous concoction made with cough syrup, Arizona Tea and Skittles (or other candy). He was interested in codeine. Trace elements of other drugs were also found in the toxicological analysis.
A photo of a small potted marijuana plant was found on Trayvon Martin’s cell phone. Trayvon Martin may or may not have been smoking marijuana in his posted photographs. As stated above, one of his school suspensions was for having a marijuana pipe and a bag with marijuana residue in it.
This opinion article was written by an independent writer. The opinions and views expressed herein are those of the author and are not necessarily intended to reflect those of DigitalJournal.com Judge tosses Trayvon's MMA texts
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#96. To: Hmmmmm (#94)
I'd dig him up and shoot'em again as a warning. I just didn't think you'd want that discrepancy out there. Thanks. And ping to my above. Still not the size of a "child".
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#97. To: Original_Intent, titorite (#95)
Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was neither a saint nor without a record to show that he was inclined toward violent behavior. If that fat leftie menopausal hag Judge had permitted Zimmerman's defense lawyers to admit Travyon's texts and photos to the jury, there wouldn't be so much mis-informed anger in black communities or false lionizing of the violent drug addled punk or uninformed posters like titorite. "In still one more of her prosecution-friendly rulings in the second degree murder trial Florida v. George Zimmerman, Judge Debra Nelson ruled on Wednesday that the jury will not see the many texts and photos on Trayvon Martin’s phones dealing with guns and fighting. The ruling followed a lengthy, televised presentation by phone expert Richard Connor Tuesday night on the contents of Martin’s phone. Although the jury was not present, the media were and have no excuse for not reporting what Connor revealed. As the texts made clear, the Martin family attorneys knew what they were doing when they moved to seal Martin’s school records even before the story went public. I could continue to pile it on, but I am not interested in offending but in making my point.
#98. To: scrapper2 (#97)
Yes, the Judge's mis-ruling was one of the more egregious ploys to try to ensure a conviction when the evidence clearly showed self-defense. Despicable.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#99. To: FormerLurker (#78)
It is possible that he didn't mean to kill Zimmerman, just beat him up, but Zimmerman had no way of knowing that at the time. Civilized people don't go around attacking other people like that when they have not done anything to them.
God is always good!
#100. To: RickyJ (#99)
When you have someone with the IQ of a grape on top of you their intent doesn't matter,as you said Civilized people don't go around attacking other people like that when they have not done anything to them. It is possible that he didn't mean to kill Zimmerman, just beat him up,
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#101. To: Original_Intent (#96)
Thanks for the ping, this damn bozo filter relieves of suffering through idiocy I used to endure. I think I've said before that I did not follow the (show) trial but that does not mean that I didn't examine the available facts of the case. How many of these "conflicted" jurors would be in that state if they had been presented with the exculpatory evidence suppressed by the prosecution and the judge, or if the verdict had been different it seems this trial was bound to be overturned. I did watch the video of the lovely Miss Dee Dee, and I've got to tell ya I do admire Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon's taste in wimmen. I also must admit to having the sympathy of a parent of a child for Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon's parents until today when I learned of them concealing facts in the case. (although I did know the prosecutor had) With the law and evidence presented you'd have to be a retard to conclude that Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was "murdered"
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#102. To: Original_Intent (#98)
Anyone who watched that trial could see, or should have been able to see, that that idiot judge was pro prosecution all the way and it didn't matter what the facts were. Yes, the Judge's mis-ruling was one of the more egregious ploys to try to ensure a conviction when the evidence clearly showed self-defense. Despicable.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#103. To: Original_Intent, abraxas (#56)
great job on this thread, you two.
#104. To: scrapper2 (#60)
really Why are you supporting a homophobic drug dealing thief, anyhow?
#105. To: James Deffenbach (#70)
LOL Some folks don't need facts and evidence, they have feewings.
#106. To: FormerLurker (#76)
It's all circumstantial and relative. good one Martin might have stolen Zimmerman's gun and shot himself accidently.
#107. To: Original_Intent (#84)
A+ outstanding summation
#108. To: Original_Intent, titorite (#95)
is that enough for you,titorite?????????
#109. To: scrapper2 (#97)
lmbo! you go, girl. If that fat leftie menopausal hag Judge
#110. To: Hmmmmm (#100)
lololol ;P When you have someone with the IQ of a grape on top of you
#111. To: christine, abraxas (#103)
Merci' Madame bon. :-)
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#112. To: christine (#107)
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#113. To: christine (#110)
I'm almost sorry I missed the dumbshit on this thread, but I finally had to use the Bozo filter. What I missed in discussion and collaboration I made up for in peace of mind.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#114. To: abraxas (#65)
The "prosecution's" witnesses sealed the not guilty verdict. This was no accident. The prosecutor's were pissed off and wanted Zimmerman to walk because he hadn't committed a crime in the 1st place. The prosecution threw the case because they wanted to send the political race baiters a message. That message was "fucketh you" ! Sheesh, the prosecution in this case was a bunch of boobs, nothing to fear. Did you see how they handled their own star witness?
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
– Plato (429-347 BC)
#115. To: James Deffenbach, All (#69)
Yeah, like fucking taxpayers that think they need to finance companies like Xe (blackwater) or Total Intelligence Solutions that are huge conscience-free mercenary companies that are orchestrating world-wide genocide. Funding the U.S. Inc. is tantamount to hiring a hitman only on a larger scale. Ya know, it's funny to hear asshats like Sean Hannity discuss congress cutting off funding for Obamacare but they never mention why Americans can't cut-off the funding of D.C. King George was a piker when compared to our modern day monstrosity. They sound like people who might still believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
– Plato (429-347 BC)
#116. To: strepsiptera, All, All cry-babies supporting the nigger thug (#24)
Look man, the nigger's dead and can no longer show up and tell us lies. They "found" stolen items in his locker at school, his own tweets detail his gang banger mentality ... Trayvon fucked up. Every neighborhood needs a George Zimmerman or two or even a hundred. End of story.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
– Plato (429-347 BC)
#117. To: Hmmmmm, James Deffenbach, abraxas, christine (#101)
It was a show trial - a "Dog & Pony" show. There was more going on here than the This is best viewed as a PsyOp. Oh'bummer's stupid commentary was only to throw gasoline on the fire. Whether it was to draw attention away from his own criminality and scandals, to plant a deep seed that opposition to his criminality is based on race, or to foment rioting to provide a pretext for Martial Law is indeterminate from the available data set. However, that there was some hidden agenda at play I have no doubt. I just do not have enough data to get a clearer reading. With the law and evidence presented you'd have to be a retard to conclude that Poooooooooooooooooor Trayvon was "murdered"
prosecution persecution of George Zimmerman. I don't know whether the intent was to create a race war with this event, to just add another log to the fire, or what? The Persecution had to know in advance that they had no case, and despite repeated questionable rulings, in the Persecution's favor, by da Judgette, Zimmerman was still exonerated. The blatherings of the weepy jurors after the fact really proves nothing, and, as you said, if the Jury had been allowed possession of all of the relevant facts the outcome would have been even more clear cut, and the media might have been forced to at least give lip service to reporting the relevant background data showing this young man's warped mindset.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#118. To: all (#0)
Zimmerman... the hispanic jew.... he has you way too many of you under his spell. fucking jews.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#119. To: Jethro Tull (#81)
The witnesses are direct. The injuries are circumstantial. Saying "I saw Trayvon hit Zimmerman" or "I saw Zimmerman shoot Trayvon" is direct evidence. Zimmerman has a bloody nose which could have been caused by Trayvon punching him is circumstantial evidence.
#120. To: FormerLurker (#78)
Snopes debunked the alleged gangbanger photos of Trayvon Martin which were actually of a different guy with the same name.
#121. To: FormerLurker (#77)
I would consider the line, "these assholes they always get away" to be highly belligerent.
#122. To: Original_Intent (#84)
No one on the prosecution side has ever claimed that Trayvon was a saint, but when you and others who agree with you engage in vicious character assassination in order to justify the murder of a child, you force those of us who have problem with how he was killed to defend him. Why is it unreasonable of me to attempt to defend Trayvon? Am I obligated to say that he was scum and deserved what happened to him just because that is how others choose to see it? You are using a phony condescending straw man argument. poooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorooooooooooooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon
#123. To: strepsiptera (#122) (Edited)
Funny how you choose to defend this 17 year old gang banging "child", yet fail to do the same for some OTHER children who were maliciously and needlessly murdered by your chosen "people"... The Murder of 12-Year-Old Emily Haddock: Ignored in the Press Are you going to agonize over HER death, or are you going to tell us the poor little boys were just defending themselves against this wicked white girl? No one on the prosecution side has ever claimed that Trayvon was a saint, but when you and others who agree with you engage in vicious character assassination in order to justify the murder of a child, you force those of us who have problem with how he was killed to defend him.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#124. To: strepsiptera (#120)
www.snopes.com/photos/politics/martin.as p Now you are REALLY pulling strawmen out of your ass. A COUPLE of images might have been fake, but there were plenty of REAL images that show the same thing. The one I posted was NOT included in Snopes debunking nor is it present on their website. So go ahead and show us how the image that I posted is "fake". Snopes debunked the alleged gangbanger photos of Trayvon Martin which were actually of a different guy with the same name.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#125. To: strepsiptera (#121)
Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "belligerent". Let me help you out... Zimmerman felt that Martin was acting in a manner which would make it highly likely that he was one of those burglars, thus made the comment. That is not being belligerent. Being belligerent would have been more like "get your f'in ass down here now so that you can catch this little bastard in the act before I shoot his nasty black ass". Now if he had said something like that then you'd have a leg to stand on. I would consider the line, "these assholes they always get away" to be highly belligerent.
1) waging war; specifically : belonging to or recognized as a state at war and
protected by and subject to the laws of war
2) inclined to or exhibiting assertiveness, hostility, or combativeness
Stating that "these assholes they always get away" is in reference to the burglars that had been breaking into homes in the neighborhood and getting away with it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#126. To: FormerLurker, strepsiptera (#124)
FL - you are right on both counts. The photo you posted in #78 is legit and it has nothing to do with the snopes-dust-throwing-trick by strepsiptera. Even ABC News ( a leftie icon) had an article with damaging photos of Saint Trayvon down loaded from his own friggin' cell phone. abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon...d-judge/story?id=19271093 And here's one with Saint Trayvon holding a gun. FL: Now you are REALLY pulling strawmen out of your ass... The one I posted was NOT included in Snopes debunking nor is it present on their website.
#127. To: scrapper2 (#126)
Seems like several people here are choosing to ignore facts and common sense, and instead are waving the "big bad Jew murders unarmed child" BS flag. Wonder what motivates them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#128. To: strepsiptera (#122)
a. Trayvon was a minor. Not a child. legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/child child n. 1) a person's natural offspring. 2) a person 14 years and under. A "child" should be distinguished from a "minor" who is anyone under 18 in almost all states. b. vicious character assassination has been inflicted on Zimmerman not on Martin. Please get the wronged party right. vicious character assassination in order to justify the murder of a child
#129. To: titorite (#118) (Edited)
he has you way too many of you under his spell. fucking jews. Noticed you defending Martin as if he were your "brother" so to speak prior to logging in. As usual, you're on the wrong side of the fence here. Equally not surprising that you're trying to make this a "jew thing". You apparently have some serious obsession with Jews. Did a Jew steal your candy when you were a wee lad? To have maniacal hatred of someone just because of their religion or heritage, when all indications are that this person was a genuinely decent guy who loves to help people, well that's just a tad beyond sick and twisted. So whose spell are YOU under I wonder... If Martin had been a Jew and Zimmerman a black guy, I'm sure we would have never heard of this case, and if we did, you'd be on Zimmerman's side because he killed a Jew. Zimmerman... the hispanic jew....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#130. To: strepsiptera, scrapper2, abraxas, , James Deffenbach, titorite, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, all (#122)
A. He was NOT A CHILD. He was a 5'11" 17 year old wannabe gangsta', trained in martial art style fighting, which by his own posts we know he liked doing, and he liked to, sadistically, make other people bleed. B. His background is not used to "justify" the murder of a It is regrettable that this young man lost his life. However, in examining the situation and likely chain of events it is the EVIDENCE, not the prejudices and petty bigotries, that must be examined. It is the LIE and false portrayal of "Poooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" as some innocent "babe" that necessitates exposing his less than innocent past in order to demonstrate that the false portrayal IS FALSE. In the pursuit of the truth of the matter the false portrayal of this little wannabe gangsta' as an "innocent young babe" is a LIE, AND IT IS A KNOWING LIE, by the people seeking to lynch George Zimmerman for the crime of defending his life against the irrationally predatory behavior of an out of control young thug. Had that been done he might well still be alive today. It seems to me in examining all of the arguments of "Pooooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon's" apologists that the one thing that is paramount in their consideration of how this young thug got himself killed is his race, and the race of the man who had to defend against this predator. First George Zimmerman was portrayed as "white" by a media that knew better, then the media (ABC Snooze) made an edited propaganda tape of his 911 call, and then the race pimps got involved. Despite all of the evidence which stands unrefuted the people bearing "Poooooooooor St. Trayvon's" banner keep coming back to "he had to be innocent cuz' he was black, and Zimmerman had to be guilty because he wasn't. That "Poooooooooor St. Trayvon" was a predator is made abundantly clear by his own postings and his having been found in possession of what was most likely stolen jewelry. Bringing into evidence his past behavior is very much valid in assessing what we are most likely dealing with and the truth runs directly contrary to the false image portrayed in the media, by the Race Pimps, and those who unthinkingly, invincible to evidence, jump in with their racist assumptions. I have no more "tolerance" for black racists than I do of any other variety. They all share one common denominator irrational hatred of anyone who looks different than they. The real crime here is that he was not turned over to the police for that probable loot from a burglary because the school did not want to make the black crime statistics in the schools look worse. Had that been done, instead of trying to hide the likely crime, the young man might still be alive as we would have been pulled up short. However, that is speculation not fact. So, take your petulant excuses, false perceptions, and racist assumptions, and please to stick them where the sun does not shine. No one on the prosecution side has ever claimed that Trayvon was a saint, but when you and others who agree with you engage in vicious character assassination in order to justify the murder of a child
child young thug, but to make the point that the lynch mob chasing George Zimmerman bearing the banner of St. Trayvon are the real racists here. That they are trying to excuse his behavior in order to condemn and lynch a man who, by all of the available EVIDENCE, was attacked and put, by St. Trayvon, in the position of having to defend his life. While there are pieces that suggest that George Zimmerman could have followed a more prudent course of action that does not JUSTIFY "Pooooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon" attacking "the nasty ass "Cracka".
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#131. To: FormerLurker (#127) (Edited)
Haven't read that but wouldn't be surprised if it's come up in pro-Trayvon posts (Zimmerman might seem to be a Jewish sounding name to some folks) because although Jewish activists organized the black civil rights marches, it's always been an uneasy alliance between the 2 groups. eg. Al Sharpton Zimmerman's Mom, Gladys, was a devout Catholic. Zimmerman's Dad, Robert, was a Baptist. As is often the case in many families, the main caretaker - Mom Zimmerman - raised the Zimmerman children in the Catholic faith. George Zimmerman served as an altar boy for 10 years. www.reuters.com/article/2...man-idUSBRE83O18H20120425 snip Robert and Gladys met in January 1975, when George Mesa brought along his army buddy to his sister's birthday party. She was visiting from Peru, on vacation from her job there as a physical education teacher. Robert was a Baptist, Gladys was Catholic. They soon married, in a Catholic ceremony in Alexandria, and moved to nearby Manassas. Gladys came to lead a small but growing Catholic Hispanic enclave within the All Saints Catholic Church parish in the late 1970s, where she was involved in the church's outreach programs. Gladys would bring young George along with her on "home visits" to poor families, said a family friend, Teresa Post. "It was part of their upbringing to know that there are people in need, people more in need than themselves," said Post, a Peruvian immigrant who lived with the Zimmermans for a time. Post recalls evening prayers before dinner in the ethnically diverse Zimmerman household, which included siblings Robert Jr., Grace, and Dawn. "It wasn't only white or only Hispanic or only black - it was mixed," she said. Zimmerman's maternal grandmother, Cristina, who had lived with the Zimmermans since 1978, worked as a babysitter for years during Zimmerman's childhood. For several years she cared for two African-American girls who ate their meals at the Zimmerman house and went back and forth to school each day with the Zimmerman children. "They were part of the household for years, until they were old enough to be on their own," Post said. Zimmerman served as an altar boy at All Saints from age 7 to 17, church members said. "He wasn't the type where, you know, 'I'm being forced to do this,' and a dragging-his-feet Catholic," said Sandra Vega, who went to high school with George and his siblings. "He was an altar boy for years, and then worked in the rectory too. He has a really good heart." George grew up bilingual, and by age 10 he was often called to the Haydon Elementary School principal's office to act as a translator between administrators and immigrant parents. At 14 he became obsessed with becoming a Marine, a relative said, joining the after-school ROTC program at Grace E. Metz Middle School and polishing his boots by night. At 15, he worked three part-time jobs - in a Mexican restaurant, for the rectory, and washing cars - on nights and weekends, to save up for a car. After graduating from Osbourn High School in 2001, Zimmerman moved to Lake Mary, Florida, a town neighboring Sanford. His parents purchased a retirement home there in 2002, in part to bring Cristina, who suffers from arthritis, to a warmer climate. On his own at 18, George got a job at an insurance agency and began to take classes at night to earn a license to sell insurance. He grew friendly with a real estate agent named Lee Ann Benjamin, who shared office space in the building, and later her husband, John Donnelly, a Sanford attorney. "George impressed me right off the bat as just a real go-getter," Donnelly said. "He was working days and taking all these classes at night, passing all the insurance classes, not just for home insurance, but auto insurance and everything. He wanted to open his own office - and he did." In 2004, Zimmerman partnered with an African-American friend and opened up an Allstate insurance satellite office, Donnelly said. instead are waving the "big bad Jew murders unarmed child" BS flag.
#132. To: scrapper2 (#131)
Check out titorite's post #118. Haven't read that anywhere
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#133. To: strepsiptera (#122)
Actually I would not say unreasonable, but invincibly ignorant. Time and again you have evaded and avoided the facts only to substitute unsubstantiated assignment of a set of motives and behaviors to George Zimmerman which are NOT in evidence. In fact everything that is public about the man is that he was a good neighbor with a kind heart. Hardly the profile of someone who stalks someone and kills them, and it is in stark contrast to "Poooooooooooooooor St. Trayvon's" profile as a wannabe' gangsta' given to violence, and enjoying it. Why is it unreasonable of me to attempt to defend Trayvon?
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#134. To: scrapper2, titorite (#131)
Zimmerman's Dad, Robert, was a Baptist. As is often the case in many families, the main caretaker - Mom Zimmerman - raised the Zimmerman children in the Catholic faith. George Zimmerman served as an altar boy for 10 years. Don't tell titorite or he might just have to admit he was being a maniacal racist. That or he'll accuse you of being a lying Jew yourself. Zimmerman's Mom, Gladys, was a devout Catholic.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#135. To: FormerLurker (#132)
Thanks...I guess...now I am forced to edit my post...
#136. To: strepsiptera (#120)
So now you use snopes for your references? LOL! That photo, if I remember correctly, was on his own facebook page. And there are screen captures of him talking to his homies about finding some codeine and making some "fire ass lean." You are trying to defend the indefensible and it makes you look and sound foolish. Snopes debunked the alleged gangbanger photos of Trayvon Martin which were actually of a different guy with the same name.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#137. To: FormerLurker (#129)
You apparently have some serious obsession with Jews. Did a Jew steal your candy when you were a wee lad?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#138. To: FormerLurker (#129) (Edited)
The Jews are the devil's children, you would be wise to not underestimate their ability to lie, cheat, steal and kill, because they are masters at all of them. I am not talking about someone being born a "Jew", but rather the ones that follow the Talmud which is most of them. No one is born a Jew, Christian, or even a Muslim, you just don't inherit such religions, you choose them. You apparently have some serious obsession with Jews. Did a Jew steal your candy when you were a wee lad?
God is always good!
#139. To: titorite (#118) (Edited)
he has you way too many of you under his spell. fucking jews. His history does not show any record of his family following the Jewish faith and he has no record of belonging to the Jewish faith. Yes, he has a last name that some Jews have, but Jews have many different last names and like to choose last names that hide their religion so they can better fit in with the society they are living in. By last name alone you cannot tell with certainty if someone is a Jew or not. All indications seem to show that Zimmerman's family believes in Christ as the Son of God. Now I could be wrong, this may be an elaborate cover for their worship of the Talmud. However just going on the known evidence and eye-witness testimony, there is no way I could convict him of murder, even if he was an open Jew. Zimmerman... the hispanic jew....
God is always good!
#140. To: FormerLurker (#123)
Why should Trayvon be held responsible for crimes committed by other black people?? How is this even relevant??
#141. To: James Deffenbach (#136)
So are you claiming that snopes is wrong and he is responsible for the facebook pages of all people on earth with the same or similar names to him?
#142. To: Original_Intent (#133)
I don't claim that Zimmerman was a monster or even a racist in every situation. I do think he was a loose cannon and I think that Trayvon was racially profiled based on minimal to non-existent evidence.
#143. To: scrapper2 (#128)
Even if I grant you the point that there may be a legal distinction between 14 year olds and 17 year olds, he was still not an adult.
#144. To: Original_Intent (#133)
There is no such offense as being a "wannabe gangsta." Either document some evidence of gang activity or membership or drop the accusation. Etiher he was in a gang or he wasn't. Stop creating a department of precrime. This isn't minority report.
#145. To: strepsiptera, scrapper2, abraxas, , James Deffenbach, titorite, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, all (#142)
Based on what? There was a "Neighborhood Watch" formed in the neighborhood. Every burgler, break-in artist observed was a black youth. You might find that uncomfortable to contemplate but it happens to be true. George Zimmerman observed a young man who was behaving suspiciously - peering into windows of dark houses late at night. So, he called 911 and went to keep tabs on the possible criminal. So, are you saying then that the Captain of the local Neighbohood Watch formed because of a rash of crimes should have just closed his eyes and gone back to watching the Idiot Box? Thus being derelict in his duties? Give me a break! I think that Trayvon was racially profiled based on minimal to non-existent evidence.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#146. To: strepsiptera, scrapper2 (#143)
And your point? Again you are trying to excuse "Poooooooooooooor St. Trayvon's" behavior by playing semantics. 18 is an arbitrary number for adulthood. On the frontier it was not uncommon for what we would consider kids to marry and establish a new family farm. At 17 he was old enough to know better and you are simply trying to excuse his behavior by playing word games. Even if I grant you the point that there may be a legal distinction between 14 year olds and 17 year olds, he was still not an adult.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#147. To: strepsiptera (#141)
Frequently. I will put it this way--if I were making a bet with someone I would not depend on snopes for the answer to whatever the question was. So are you claiming that snopes is wrong
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#148. To: strepsiptera (#144)
I never said there was. However, and I already posted the links which you seem to have ignored, that demonstrated his behavior and attitudes, and they were not the behaviors and attitudes of an "Altar Boy". He, by his own profession, considered himself a gangsta' and considered it something "worthy" of aspiring to. Again and again you evade and ignore the documented evidence. There is no such offense as being a "wannabe gangsta."
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#149. To: Original_Intent (#148)
He don't need no steenkin' evidence, he has feewings. Again and again you evade and ignore the documented evidence.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#150. To: James Deffenbach, strepsiptera (#147)
I wouldn't count on snopes for a reliable report of what day of the week it is. Snopes consists of two people, husband and wife, who are flaming liberal O'bots. They have been caught on more than one occasion jiggering the facts. Another Snopes Lie
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#151. To: James Deffenbach (#149)
He don't need no steenkin' evidence, he has feewings. An attitude typical of liberals, ideologues, the intellectually dishonest, and shills. 8 Traits of a Disinformationist: 1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility. 6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up. Again and again you evade and ignore the documented evidence.
"Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world." ~ H. Michael Sweeney
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#152. To: Original_Intent (#146)
And some countries terrorist militia groups use ten year olds as soldiers. Should we therefore eliminate all legal protections for children and say killing ten year olds is O.K.?
#153. To: Original_Intent (#151)
Show me one post where I have made an emotional non-rational argument. All you and Mr. Deffenbach have done is vent your spleens and call names. Show me the proof that Trayvon was committing a crime on the night he was murdered. Show me the proof that Trayvon initiated physical violence without provocation. You have no substantive arguments whatsoever.
#154. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach (#150) (Edited)
I am not interested in your opinion of the website. Prove that the photo you posted of Trayvon Martin is an actual photo of the boy killed by Zimmerman or admit that you are lying.
#155. To: James Deffenbach (#147)
You are being deliberately evasive. You posted an alleged photo of Trayvon and were called out on it. Put up or shut up.
#156. To: strepsiptera (#140) (Edited)
Your rationale seems to be since he was black and "only" 17 years old he must be innocent, and Zimmerman must be guilty since he isn't black. So I was simply wondering why you're not all over that other incident like you are on this one. Why should Trayvon be held responsible for crimes committed by other black people?? How is this even relevant??
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#157. To: RickyJ (#138)
A) Zimmerman isn't even a Jew. B) Not all Jews agree with the politics of Zionism. As far as the Talmud, not all Jews take it literally if they give it any credence at all. It's like saying all Christians take the Bible literally, some do and some don't. But besides all that, it's one thing to exercise caution and yet another to froth at the mouth.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: RickyJ (#138)
PS: According the Bible, we are ALL God's Children. So no, the Jews are not the "children of the devil". Hatred, suffering, cruelty, and various other things are the FRUIT of the "devil" perhaps, but the "devil" has no "children". The Jews are the devil's children
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#159. To: strepsiptera, James Deffenbach, all (#154)
Now I know you are very likely a paid shill. Thanks for the confirmation. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation You have, minimally, used the following disinformation ploys in this thread. Whether intentional or not your tactics mirror that of a professional disinformationist. 2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit. 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact. 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues. 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. 15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place. 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues. 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance. I am not interested in your opinion of the website. Prove that the photo you posted of Trayvon Martin is an actual photo of the boy killed by Zimmerman or admit that you are lying.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#160. To: FormerLurker (#156)
Where did I say either of those things? Zimmerman admits he shot Trayvon. Trayvon was a minor. You are claiming Zimmerman was justified in murdering a minor. You are asking me to blame Trayvon for totally unrelated crimes committed by other black people. You have posted a sinister looking photo which you claim is Trayvon. You refuse to submit any documentation for this. Your pals on this thread then resort to the freerepublic like tactic of saying that only right wing websites may be used to refute right wing lies.
#161. To: Original_Intent (#159)
Who am paid by? Do you care to submit any evidence for this paranoid delusion or do you prefer to rely on cut and paste?
#162. To: strepsiptera (#160) (Edited)
Zimmerman admits he shot Trayvon. Many people defend themselves with deadly force. So? Trayvon was a minor. A good number of minors commit robbery, rape, and murder. So? You are claiming Zimmerman was justified in murdering a minor. Yep. So? You are asking me to blame Trayvon for totally unrelated crimes committed by other black people. No, YOU are insisting that he MUST be innocent because he was a 17 year old black male, and Zimmerman wasn't.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: strepsiptera (#160)
So you're trying to claim that it isn't, and insist that Martin never posted any sort of "sinister" images of himself or posted any gangster related material, ever. Is that correct? You have posted a sinister looking photo which you claim is Trayvon. You refuse to submit any documentation for this.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#164. To: FormerLurker (#163)
I know for a fact that people have posted "gangsta" photos of Trayvon that were photos of someone else. I am not going to accept any photo without valid documentation. There actually is a photo on gawker of Trayvon's body on the night he died. I consider that photo to be accurate.
#165. To: strepsiptera (#160)
The Trayvon photos are what he uploaded to social media and what he had on his phone. You have posted a sinister looking photo which you claim is Trayvon. You refuse to submit any documentation for this.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#166. To: strepsiptera (#164)
I know for a fact that people have posted "gangsta" photos of Trayvon that were photos of someone else. One or two images may have been of someone else. MOST of them come from Martin's cellphone, facebook, or twitter pages. So what would you require, a signed certified letter from his mom telling you it's really him?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: strepsiptera (#164)
BTW, do you have equal concerns about the images of him at a young age being portrayed as his current appearance in order to draw more sympathy? Do you have any issues with the doctored image of him in his hoodie making him appear more "angelic", removing his harder features? You know, the one that keeps getting plastered all over the television... 
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#168. To: strepsiptera, FormerLurker, abraxas (#164)
Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation Your demand is basically a variation on these two disinformation tactics. 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance. I know for a fact that people have posted "gangsta" photos of Trayvon that were photos of someone else. I am not going to accept any photo without valid documentation.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#169. To: FormerLurker (#166)
I am getting vibrations that are reminiscent of Ninpo or AGAviator. Birds of a feather anyway.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#170. To: strepsiptera (#161)
Your comments are enough evidence that you are using false logic and disinformation tactics. The references are simply for reference to illustrate the point. As for the rest of your diversion - Go fish. Who am paid by? Do you care to submit any evidence for this paranoid delusion or do you prefer to rely on cut and paste?
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#171. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#169)
Being that the "discussion" hinges on ignoring the facts and playing on emotion on the part of Miss/Mr/Ms strepsiptera, playing dumb, and simply regurgitating the talking points being spewed by our own versions of the Soviet Pravda, I'm sure you're on the right track.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#172. To: FormerLurker (#171)
Merci'. :-)
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#173. To: strepsiptera (#155)
No, I have posted ACTUAL photos of Saint Trayvon. As for you telling me to shut up I don't take orders from whackadoodles. And anyone who believes that Trayvon Martin was an innocent lamb who had done nothing wrong and didn't initiate the beating that cost him his life is a whackadoodle. You are being deliberately evasive. You posted an alleged photo of Trayvon and were called out on it. Put up or shut up.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#174. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#168)
Sadly enough, I am afraid he ain't playing. 9. Play Dumb.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#175. To: James Deffenbach (#174)
Sadly enough, I am afraid he ain't playing. 9. Play Dumb.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#176. To: FormerLurker (#167)
The features are exactly the same. How is that doctored? It's just a lighter exposure of the same photo. Is paler skin angelic?
#177. To: James Deffenbach (#173)
Prove that it is an actual photo. I am not obligated to take your word for it, especially when right wing websites have been caught lying about it in the recent past.
#178. To: FormerLurker (#171)
I have not made any emotional claims. You have been caught lying and are calling me names because you don't like being called out on it.
#179. To: Original_Intent (#168)
So in you paranoid fantasy world asking for verification of a photograph being used to paint someone as a criminal is a disinformation tactic?????
#180. To: strepsiptera (#179)
Where have I relied on any photos you dispute the validity of in making my case? Nowhere of course. Most of my arguments have relied upon logic. I know that is kind of old fashioned but it has been a tried and true method of arriving at the truth for a number of centuries now, but then you have not seriously contested any of my fact based arguments with contrary facts. As for the photographs they are widely available, they were used in the video I posted way back, and they are available in multiple articles online. Which photos are you saying are not valid? The ones that were of a St. Trayvon 3 or 4 years ago before he got into drugs and playing gangsta'? I long ago learned not to play "go be my research librarian" for shills as you have exactly zero interest in valid photographs (that's not in your "playbook"). In fact I believe you have looked as you made, undocumented of course, reference to "some" photos "somewhere" that you "knew" were not valid from that wonderful bastion of All Knowledge (and disinformation) Snuffy Snopes. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that you are not really interested in valid photos, just in disputing any and all photos from whatever source.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#181. To: strepsiptera, James Deffenbach (#177)
You keep making that "assertion" but I have yet to see YOU back it up with any valid references. Funny 'bout that. Of course that is not in your "playbook" either. especially when right wing websites have been caught lying about it in the recent past.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#182. To: strepsiptera (#153)
Trayvon's gal pal said - tah dah!- Trayvon hit first. Jeantel was the prosecutor's key witness. Case closed. See ya'. Please don't remember to vote. dailycaller.com/2013/07/1...-trayvon-hit-first-video/ snip In an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan on Monday, Jeantel revealed that she thought Martin had just “whooped ass” on George Zimmerman, which ultimately led to Zimmerman discharging his firearm and killing Martin. Show me the proof that Trayvon initiated physical violence without provocation.
#183. To: strepsiptera, Shoonra (#143)
Right. Trayvon was still sucking on his mommy's tit. Got it. What kind of a dumb a*s lame brain are you anyway? God I hope you're not some DHS intern or probationary hire on training wheels who is supposed to "infiltrate and provoke" political forums because then I'd really feel ripped off as a taxpayer. Shoon knows what I'm talking about. She's had to fire a lot of your kind. Even if I grant you the point that there may be a legal distinction between 14 year olds and 17 year olds, he was still not an adult.
#184. To: scrapper2 (#182)
Jeantel was the prosecutor's key witness. Case closed. That's the same gal pal who claimed to have heard people rolling around on wet grass over the phone: Trayvon Martin's 'Friend' Rachel Jeantel 'WET GRASS' Question - YouTube - 1 minute Trayvon's gal pal said - tah dah!- Trayvon hit first.
-------
"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#185. To: scrapper2 (#182)
She didn't witness the fight directly. She is guessing what may have happened based on being on the other end of a phone conversation. In the interview you linked, she says that she believes Trayvon swung after Zimmerman tried to grab him. Grabbing somebody is assault. Punching someone who has grabbed you is legally self defense. That is quite different from the "sucker punch" you keep insisting on.
#186. To: scrapper2 (#183)
So killing kids is O.K. With you so long as they are 15, 16, or 17?
#187. To: strepsiptera (#119)
I’ve never read a more illogical, tortured comment in my life. The laws of evidence prohibit your explanation. Circumstantial Evidence encompasses all evidence that is not direct evidence, or, if you like, direct evidence encompasses all evidence that is not circumstantial. Since you agree eyewitness testimony described TM giving Z an MMA style beat down, that would be direct evidence as would the resulting injuries. The judge saw it this way, there was no objection by the prosecution, and most importantly, the jury found Z Not Guilty as a result of such testimony. The witnesses are direct. The injuries are circumstantial.
#188. To: strepsiptera (#186)
what a stupid question. you know very well that is not what scrapper was implying. did you watch this video?
#189. To: All (#188)
why would George Zimmerman repeatedly call for help if he were PLANNING on killing Trayvon Martin?
#190. To: christine (#189)
Why wouldn't he have shot him as soon as he saw him, instead of stalking him all around a development and waiting to get beat up?
#191. To: christine (#189)
Why bother calling the police to report a person you simply want to kill in cold blood?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#192. To: GreyLmist (#184)
lol..she also claimed that Trayvon was giving Zimmerman an "ass whoopin'" when he was fatally shot.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#193. To: strepsiptera (#178)
I have not made any emotional claims. You keep jerking on the "but he was just a child minding his own business" chain. So that's an emotional statement rather than a factual comment. You have been caught lying and are calling me names because you don't like being called out on it. Oh really? Point out where I've lied, or apologize for making a false accusation. As far as names, what name have I called you?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#194. To: strepsiptera (#176)
Are you blind? The harder features of his face have been removed, the skin tone is several shades lighter, and he appears more feminine in the doctored image. The features are exactly the same. How is that doctored? It's just a lighter exposure of the same photo. Is paler skin angelic?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#195. To: strepsiptera (#177)
You have been shown proof, and plenty of it, by those of us who do not worship at the altar of Saint Trayvon. Yet you ignore all the facts presented to you and pretend that none of those facts are relevant and keep insisting that Zimmerman just killed Trayvon in cold blood and for no reason. I haven't used the clown filter in a long time but you certainly have me considering availing myself of it. Prove that it is an actual photo. I am not obligated to take your word for it, especially when right wing websites have been caught lying about it in the recent past.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#196. To: FormerLurker (#158)
Dude, Jesus Christ himself called them the devil's children. PS: According the Bible, we are ALL God's Children. So no, the Jews are not the "children of the devil".
God is always good!
#197. To: RickyJ (#196) (Edited)
Jesus Himself was born Jewish. Was his father the devil? You can't believe everything you read, especially when it was written by the very people you despise, or those who twisted those writings to say whatever they wanted them to say. Dude, Jesus Christ himself called them the devil's children.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#198. To: FormerLurker (#197)
The father of Jesus was/is God. The Jewish part of his lineage was through Mary who descended from King David.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#199. To: FormerLurker (#197)
don't you and shoonra work for the same ADL organization?
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#200. To: scrapper2 (#182)
Jeantel was the prosecutor's key witness. Jeantel is also mental retarded. So her testamony is of no value. You know why she was the "key" super star wittness? because the outcome was rigged and the case was thrown before it began... Just how does Jeantel know trayvon hit first when she wasn't there? she didn't. Jeantel perjured herself alot that day trying to be helpful... the retard cow should pay the price for it but the perjury laws do not seem to apply to anyone in the zimmerman trial.... funny that. Gods honest truth is that nobody knows who threw the first punch. But we do know one voice was running around screaming for help. And standing your ground does not run from door to door in screaming for help only to be silenced at the end of a gun shot. Trayvon's gal pal said - tah dah!- Trayvon hit first.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#201. To: titorite (#200)
And according to the eyewitness closest to the scene it was the man on the bottom who was screaming for help. The eyewitness's physical description of the man on the bottom fits George Zimmerman, and only George Zimmerman. But we do know one voice was running around screaming for help.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#202. To: titorite (#200)
There was no case. That's why the outcome was not guilty. Black white blue purple green - whatever color the young thug might be - he should not have attacked and tried to cause grave bodily injury to another human being. Trayvon got what he brought on himself. The person whose head he tried to smash into concrete defended himself and rightfully so. Wake up. because the outcome was rigged and the case was thrown before it began...
#203. To: abraxas (#192)
In polite circles, she's been dubbed aka Eliza Doolittle. Sounds like she might have had different versions on different days: news.yahoo.com: Trayvon Martin's friend describes final phone call: MIKE SCHNEIDER and KYLE HIGHTOWER | June 26, 2013 | SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — A friend who was on the phone with 17-year-old Trayvon Martin moments before he was fatally shot by George Zimmerman testified that she heard the Miami teen shout, "Get off! Get off!" before his telephone went dead. ... she heard Martin ask: "What are you following me for?" She then heard what sounded like Martin's phone earpiece drop into the grass and she heard him say, "Get off! Get off!" The phone then went dead, she said. she also claimed that Trayvon was giving Zimmerman an "ass whoopin'" when he was fatally shot.
-------
"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#204. To: titorite (#200)
Are these your self deluded "facts"? NOBODY claims that EITHER party was "running around door to door screaming for help". The eyewitnesses state Martin was on top of Zimmerman and that Zimmerman was yelling for help as Martin was trying to kill him. Wake up and stop making things up. You provide ample insight as to how these "no-planes" stories are born. And standing your ground does not run from door to door in screaming for help only to be silenced at the end of a gun shot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#205. To: James Deffenbach (#198) (Edited)
We are all the children of God. I was however conversing with Ricky who claims all Jewish people are the children of the devil. Since Jesus was not a Muslim nor even a Christian, and followed Jewish Scripture, he was in fact a Jew in terms of belief system. He is in fact claimed to be the Jewish Messiah, hence why people believe him to be God Himself. The father of Jesus was/is God
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#206. To: titorite (#199) (Edited)
So are you still spray painting swastikas all over town these days as you run around in your white sheet? Do you still want to crucify Zimmerman, since he's a Catholic, who I've heard the KKK despise as much as they hate Jews? don't you and shoonra work for the same ADL organization?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#207. To: Original_Intent, titorite, strepsiptera (#201)
Why would anyone, other than someone who was severely retarded, claim that someone on top of someone else and beating the crap out of the other person be screaming for help? Makes no sense whatsoever. I do believe that titorite and his agitatin' buddy, strepsiptera, belong on the clown filter and that is where they are going (at least for me). I am tired of people making bs claims that they have to know aren't true. And according to the eyewitness closest to the scene it was the man on the bottom who was screaming for help. The eyewitness's physical description of the man on the bottom fits George Zimmerman, and only George Zimmerman.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#208. To: FormerLurker (#205)
There would have been no Christian religion without Jesus. I believe him to be a part of the Godhead along with the Holy Spirit (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit). Since Jesus was not a Muslim nor even a Christian
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#209. To: James Deffenbach (#208)
Of course. He was born and raised as a Jew however, following Jewish Scripture. My point is that those who profess that the Jews are children of the devil would by extension be saying that God is really the devil. It's just a logical point that in reality can't be denied. Religious bias may cause some to disagree, but those are the facts. There would have been no Christian religion without Jesus
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#210. To: James Deffenbach (#208) (Edited)
This is a debate I intend to stay out of. However, here is an interesting historical text that might shed some light: Jesus An Essene, by E. Planta Nesbit, [1895], at sacred-texts.com
Jesus An Essene, by E. Planta Nesbit
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#211. To: FormerLurker (#210)
Ping to my above.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#212. To: Original_Intent (#211)
The Essene connection is the most historically valid and correct viewpoint, IMHO.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#213. To: FormerLurker (#209) (Edited)
You are confusing the Torah with the Talmud. The Torah is the first 5 books of the old Testament, the Talmud is sayings from Rabbis. Judaism today follows the Talmud almost exclusively and gives it higher priority than the Torah. Jesus called those that followed the "traditions of men" which is what is contained in the Talmud today, "children of the devil." Most that follow Judaism today follow the Talmud and are thus "children of the devil" according to Jesus Christ. He was born and raised as a Jew however, following Jewish Scripture.
God is always good!
#214. To: FormerLurker (#209)
That is not something I have ever said and certainly don't agree with it. I am familiar with the passage in the Bible where Jesus said to those listening to him that they were children of the devil (John 8:44). In context it appears that he was speaking directly to the Pharisees, not all Jews. And rightly so, there are good and bad in all groups of people. My point is that those who profess that the Jews are children of the devil
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#215. To: titorite (#200)
Huh? What are saying here? And standing your ground does not run from door to door in screaming for help only to be silenced at the end of a gun shot.
#216. To: christine (#215) (Edited)
He's our Gabby Johnson. Huh? What are saying here?
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#217. To: christine (#215)
Looks like English may not be his (or her) first language. Huh? What are saying here?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#218. To: Jethro Tull (#187)
There is nothing illogical about it. You simply do not understand the legal definittion of the term circumstantial evidence. The fact that you consider the evidence to be credible or that you think it proves what you believe is true does not change the legal definition. I think that the eyewitness testimony is very weak because the witnesses did not have a clear view of what was happening, but it fits the legal definition of direct evidence because the witnesses claim to have directly observed the fight. The circumstantial evidence is circumstantial because more than one explanation is possible.
#219. To: FormerLurker (#194)
The only difference I see is that the photo on the left is much darker and grainier. The proportions and shape of all of the facial features look exactly the same. Wasn' t there a dark versus light photo controversy during the O.J. Trial?
#220. To: christine (#215)
I am saying on one of those 911 calls you can clearly hear a voice screaming for most of the first half of the call.. You can hear the husband in the back round and the wife is on the phone with 911 and she is calling about the screaming and commotion. In the back round of that 911 call a voice a screamng for help and that voice moves alot. It changes in echo, volume, clarity, who ever the voice belonged too it was on the move jumping from spot to spot. Then their is a single gun shot when the screaming is loudest. Then their is no more screaming for help.... One does not stand ones ground by running around from porch to porch of the place screaming for help. George zimmerman was not running from porch to porch screaming for help... Trayvon Martin was not chasing down an armed zimmerman from porch to porch. IT was the other way around. A pissy Zimmerman sour over the fact that "they always get away" just wanted to get him one... and he did. and florida is ok with it... In no way was he standing his ground. Not from the sound of the 911 call... Their was no fight.. nobody was being punched in the mouth MMA style as they yelled for help. No teeth got knocked loose. Zimmerman has a past of bragging on his myspace page about getting away with crime. .... HE did not need to follow anyone... following someone is not standing your ground.... But trayvon might of stood up to zimmerman... and that was proly a fatal mistake. He could not of known about Zimmermans jewish roots by looking at him. Huh? What are saying here?
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#221. To: strepsiptera (#218)
To the clown filter with ye!
#222. To: Jethro Tull (#221)
If you don't wish to talk to me that is your prerogative, but I interpret your fleeing this discussion as an indication that you can't back up any off the things you are claiming and have therefore lost the argument.
#223. To: titorite (#220)
running around from porch to porch of the place screaming for help. Their was no fight.. nobody was being punched in the mouth MMA style as they yelled for help. It is not that background scream that is moving, it is the person on the phone moving while on the phone. There is not a shred of evidence to substantiate this "running around from porch to porch" scenario. Not one witness. This is a scenario that only lives in your imagination. The evidence substantiates the claim of a fight--the bleeding nose, the wounds to the back of the head, the wounds to Trayvon's knuckles, the grass on Zimmerman's back. However, there is no evidence to substantiate the claim that "their (sic) was no fight." How can you completely disregard the evidence when you make these claims? In the back round of that 911 call a voice a screamng for help and that voice moves alot. It changes in echo, volume, clarity, who ever the voice belonged too it was on the move jumping from spot to spot.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#224. To: abraxas (#223)
That one and strepsiptera are perfect examples of the need for the clown filter. People like them don't need any facts, they have their feewings and that is good enough for them. How can you completely disregard the evidence when you make these claims?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#225. To: strepsiptera (#222)
your interpretation, like your uninformed opinion on this case, is fullabulla. but I interpret your fleeing this discussion as an indication that you can't back up
#226. To: James Deffenbach (#224)
Like
#227. To: titorite (#220)
their=there of=have sorry, but your version of the events isn't accurate.
#228. To: christine (#225) (Edited)
I'll see your fullabulla, and raise you one fluffernutter.www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6gljDcLrvQ
#229. To: strepsiptera, Jethro Tull, christine, James Deffenbach, abraxas, ALL (#222)
More likely it is that once you have pounded your head against the wall enough times it may seem that there is a point where it becomes pointless. It long ago became obvious that you have a certain "hurdy gurdy" that you are either paid to push or that you lack the objectivity, and intellectual acumen, to actually examine the facts that are actually in evidence. Instead, at every turn, you have consistently either ignored facts which are contradictory to your preferred fairy tale of "St. Trayvon and the Wicked Ogre", or twisted them to your preferred "story". If you don't wish to talk to me that is your prerogative, but I interpret your fleeing this discussion as an indication that you can't back up any off the things you are claiming and have therefore lost the argument.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#230. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#229)
I watched the entire trial on HLN. I also watched the post shows where the guests kicked around the days events. The slop that is being pitched by the Twins is inaccurate to the point of being hallucinatory. It's one thing not knowing what evidence was entered into the trial, but quite another to toss gross inaccuracies into the mix and then stand firm on top of them. I hope it's simple ignorance & stubbornness on their part.
#231. To: Original_Intent (#229)
You can get paid to post messages on this website??? Would you care to elaborate?
How much are they paying you?
Does it come with health benefits?
Is it covered by Obamacare?
#232. To: Jethro Tull (#230)
From what I've seen simple ignorance & stubbornness on their part simply cannot explain their conclusions or actions. We're talking gross, compound, ignorance & stubbornness probably backed with a medical condition. Disclaimer: I am not a Doctor. (although I have taken alot of prescription medication) I hope it's simple ignorance & stubbornness on their part.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#233. To: Hmmmmm (#232)
Doctor, am I to conclude the Twins are terminally fucked?
#234. To: christine (#225)
So strep throat is now claiming that he and his evil twin titornot have won the "discussion" and those of us they have beaten have "fled the discussion"? That would be funny if it weren't so lame. Speaking only for myself, I get tired of people who can't be swayed by the facts in evidence and stick to their story no matter how many times they have been shown their story is just that and should start with "once upon a time." Whoever is paying them should reconsider because they are not getting their money's worth.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#235. To: Original_Intent (#229)
Indeed. That is the conclusion I came to. My only regret is that I tried to explain things to them over and over when it should have been clear that they were going to stick to their stupid story no matter what and that St. Trayvon could never be blamed for any part of what happened the night he assaulted someone and happened to pick the wrong person. More likely it is that once you have pounded your head against the wall enough times it may seem that there is a point where it becomes pointless.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#236. To: christine (#226)
Like
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#237. To: abraxas (#223)
That is such the apologist remark. You are saying that because it fits what you want to believe. Truth be told Both were moving. And that was never in question by any party anywhere. Only the brainwashed say that martin and zimmerman were standing still as they were" ALLEGEDLY" fighting. Even martin says their was movement and chase. Not enough to match all the screams for help mind you... but you are ignoring what you want in favor of a version you the media have programmed you to believe... Cause what you say contradicts Zimmerman But whatever. I can't free yall from the fucking jewish spell. I want too... I can see through it so clearly. But it is a jewish owned media... and Zimmerman is one of those crypto jews whos daddy and grand daddy were jews... but him.. no. no no no TV says he is catholic their fore he is... TV says he is white... their for he is... TV says he is innocent... fuck we live in tyranny. It is not that background scream that is moving, it is the person on the phone moving while on the phone.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#238. To: abraxas (#223)
And if you are wondering why I don't believe Zimmermans about the fight it is because I have been in fights before.. MANY! in fact. I have broken noses. Zimmermans wounds are not consistent with fists. And he had no hair to grab onto the head slam... Zimmerman would have to of been a limp passed out pussy to be head slammed like that... Cause he does have the lines in the back of his head... but the are singular and sharp... not the kind of stiking you you see from blunt force pressure ripping them open... .... what I am saying is that those where some very clean cuts. NOt the kind of thing we normally see from firsts ripping open flesh through mulitple strikes.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#239. To: All (#238)
This mans nose is not broken,... but he found a doctor feel good (proly a fellow jew) that was all to happy to say it was broken. Here the following is a picute of a real white man with a real broken nose. compare that to zimmermans the latin jew 
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#240. To: titorite (#238)
And he had no hair to grab onto the head slam... what I am saying is that those where some very clean cuts. NOt the kind of thing we normally see from firsts ripping open flesh through mulitple strikes. This may come as a complete shock to you. But every situation in the world is not measured by your personal experiences. lol The hair/head slam angle is of what relevance? Bald folks cannot have their head slammed into concrete because it breaks what specific law of physics? At least you are acknowledging the physical evidence of Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. How many strikes do you think an armed man should take prior to using the firearm for self defense? What is the magic number? And if you are wondering why I don't believe Zimmermans about the fight it is because I have been in fights before.. MANY! in fact. I have broken noses. Zimmermans wounds are not consistent with fists.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#241. To: abraxas (#240)
If every situation in our lives is not measured by our personal experiences then what IS it measured by? In my experience I live in a jew controled tyranny. Not sure about your experience But every situation in the world is not measured by your personal experiences. lol
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#242. To: titorite (#237)
You stated that the screams were moving from porch to porch. I wasn't personally there but the evidence is consistent that Trayvon Martin was on top of George Zimmerman and assaulting him at the time that the screams were heard in the back ground of the phone call. Nobody is claiming no movement. Simply limited movement. It is you who has lost your point in the argument again. You are the only person ranting and raving about screams moving from porch to porch without an iota of evidence or logic to support your inconsistent rants. I am not for or against Zimmerman or Martin. I think this is a sad loss of life for a teenage kid who like so many others admired the thug life that goes nowhere. I feel for Trayvon's parents. I think Zimmerman suffers from this incident. Not enough to match all the screams for help mind you... but you are ignoring what you want in favor of a version you the media have programmed you to believe...
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#243. To: titorite (#241)
In my experience I live in a jew controled tyranny. I said by YOUR personal experience which has nothing to do with the Zimmerman/Martin incident. In this instance your experience is irrelevant. I know that is painful to hear, but it is the truth. Your overuse of the term tyranny is causing the term to diminish in value. If every situation in our lives is not measured by our personal experiences then what IS it measured by?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#244. To: titorite (#241)
You missed a few pertinent questions tit: The hair/head slam angle is of what relevance? Bald folks cannot have their head slammed into concrete because it breaks what specific law of physics? At least you are acknowledging the physical evidence of Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. How many strikes do you think an armed man should take prior to using the firearm for self defense? What is the magic number?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#245. To: abraxas (#240)
I acknowledge the fact that he has wounds. How he got those wounds I very much contest images.digitalmedianet.co..._USA-FLORIDA-SHOOTING.JPG cause those are not the wounds made from fists.... a rock ball fist did not cut the tip of that mans nose. And look how clean the insides of his nostrols are... pretty good for being broken and what not eh? At least you are acknowledging the physical evidence of Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#246. To: abraxas (#243)
I do not over use the term tyranny. IT only seems that way to those beguiled by it. Your overuse of the term tyranny is causing the term to diminish in value.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#247. To: titorite (#245)
Geez, let it go, man. The kid was a little punk that was high on lean (a ghetto get high using Robitussin) and was searching for a house to burglarize. He got caught, got anxious, and got killed. Not guilty, Zimmerman walks.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
– Plato (429-347 BC)
#248. To: abraxas (#244)
To slam Zimmermans head. Martin would of either of been punching in the forhead area with zimmermans head over the corner of the concrete side walk there... not the flat pavement but the corner.... cause that cut on the back of his head is an even cut. TWO If trayvon grabed zimmermans by the ears and sides of the head, DIGGING his fingers and nails into zimmerman to smash his head repeatedly.... the damage to zim would of been alot worse... and tary would of need to be alot stronger... Zimmer would of over powered him. Sigh,,, The truth is plane to those that have ears to listen and eyes to see. The hair/head slam angle is of what relevance? Bald folks cannot have their head slammed into concrete because it breaks what specific law of physics?
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#249. To: noone222 (#247)
Not guilty, Zimmerman walks. I have not exactly been a heavy commenter on these threads. and you can not get high on robbitussen. That is a lie. The key ingredient in lean is promethazen you can mix it with anything and say that is lean... but robbatussen is NOT lean... Jewish media has sold this lie. Jewish medai Geez, let it go, man. The kid was a little punk that was high on lean (a ghetto get high using Robitussin) and was searching for a house to burglarize. He got caught, got anxious, and got killed.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#250. To: titorite (#237)
Please link to the information source that proves Zimmerman's Dad and Grandfather were Jews. What I've read is that Zimmerman's father is a Baptist. Baptist is not a church I'd choose to join if I were a "crypto" Jew, that's for sure. And fyi - it's Zimmerman's mother who is the Catholic, not Zimmerman's Dad. If you are going to spin a tall tale about Zimmerman's Dad and Grandfather being crypto Jew Catholics, at least get a couple of facts right to sound somewhat credible. Sheesh. Idiot. As for Jewish owned media - that's no secret - but if Zimmerman were a "crypto" Jew, as you claim, you'd think the Jewish owned media would protect one of their own, no? Instead the MSM has tarred and feathered Zimmerman with innuendo and out and out lies and treachery ( releasing doctored 911 tapes). MSM has been sanitizing Trayvon Martin's actions and character from the get go. Once again your version of logic shows no logical sequential thought whatsoever. But it is a jewish owned media...and Zimmerman is one of those crypto jews whos daddy and grand daddy were jews... but him.. no. no no no TV says he is catholic their fore he is.
#251. To: scrapper2 (#250)
www.cryptojews.com/Ornish.htm I believe the fucker was puller over out side of dallas today.. HOld on let me find you something more tangible.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#252. To: All (#251)
Oh fuck... I cant find my references right now..... and I got shit to do.... but fuck. I have no idea how yall listen to the same 911 tape I do and come to yalls conclusion of it all being just fine.... From there , their is just a whole mountain of evidence against the guilty/innocent party. Domestic violence, purjury, Hell did yall watch zimmerman instruct his wife on how to hide the money while he was in jail? The fucker was on camera knew he was being recorded and just went on balls to the walls like the fucking snake that his kind are. AND JEANTEL? Why the fuck wasn't Jeantel ejected from the court for being disrespectful to the court? The judge? That judge needs to be brought up on charges and kicked out of judge duties for swearing in Zim against his constitutional rights!! The whole fucking things sucked. tyranny.... fight it!!!!
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#253. To: titorite (#248)
Kinda like Englishman Lee Rigby being killed by those two imported-moolies in London and you went on and on and on, crowing that It Did Not Happen and it was a *false-flag event!!* but you couldn't provide ONE shred of believable evidence to back up your frantic proclamation??? Do tell...... The truth is plane to those that have ears to listen and eyes to see.
-Alex Kurtagic
#254. To: X-15 (#253)
What? Rigby, with the red tint hands that you can't see X-15... Do you use a CRT moniter? is that why you could not see the clear tint? IT was square for crying out loud.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#255. To: titorite (#237)
You are delusional.
#256. To: titorite (#252)
This is really shocking. lol Oh fuck... I cant find my references right now..... and I got shit to do....
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#257. To: titorite (#237)
I don't want to hurt your feelings, but "their for"?? There isn't even a meme for that one. 😉
#258. To: titorite (#252) (Edited)
Would that be Baptist or Catholic? Or do you mean his Peruvian heritage? BTW, perhaps you should have the doc change your meds, whatever it is you're on isn't making you better. Since it's so "obvious" to you that Zimmerman was chasing Martin around the neighborhood from house to house, and poor little Trayvon was screaming for help the entire time, can you find any links to ANY source that confirms or alludes to what you are alledging? I mean there HAS to be SOMEONE out there who agrees with you and can confirm what you are stating here, if you aren't just making this up that is. like the fucking snake that his kind are
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#259. To: abraxas, titorite (#240)
The question is still on the table, I do believe. How many strikes do you think an armed man should take prior to using the firearm for self defense? What is the magic number?
-Alex Kurtagic
#260. To: FormerLurker (#258)
Before I read your post I was thinking "is this person on meth or what" ??? Glad I'm not the only one. BTW, perhaps you should have the doc change your meds, whatever it is you're on isn't making you better.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
– Plato (429-347 BC)
#261. To: titorite (#252)
Because she was the prosecution's star witness. The same prosecution that went forward with no grand jury. The same prosecution that railroaded the police chief who didn't file charges against Zimmerman because there was NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE to substantiate charges and bring about a conviction. This is why public emoting is not a valid reason to take a case to trial. Isn't it time you question your own emoting over this case? Why the fuck wasn't Jeantel ejected from the court for being disrespectful to the court?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#262. To: noone222 (#260) (Edited)
Glad I'm not the only one. Meth, crack, Sterno, Lean, Prozac, Thorazine, Jim Beam, perhaps all combined into one big punch bowl. Before I read your post I was thinking "is this person on meth or what" ???
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#263. To: FormerLurker (#262)
You forgot that old standby, Ripple (is that still sold?) :)
-Alex Kurtagic
#264. To: X-15 (#263)
Haven't seen it around for quite some time... I can't decide what gave me worse hangovers, that or Boon's Farm. Ripple (is that still sold?) :)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#265. To: FormerLurker (#262)
Glad I'm not the only one. Meth, crack, Sterno, Lean, Prozac, Thorazine, Jim Beam, perhaps all combined into one big punch bowl. If he was doing all of that then I doubt he would even be posting on this forum. He fits the M.O. of a troll, so I assume he is one. Before I read your post I was thinking "is this person on meth or what" ???
God is always good!
#266. To: christine, 4 (#257)
#267. To: RickyJ (#265)
I thought that of him a year ago. My opinion hasn't changed one bit. He fits the M.O. of a troll, so I assume he is one.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#268. To: noone222 (#260)
Glad I'm not the only one. Well that was just freaking rude. I expect that kind of shit from his kind (former lurker is the shill) but not you noone. Fuck me if I did anything to wrong you to merit such foul thoughts. Before I read your post I was thinking "is this person on meth or what" ???
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#269. To: X-15 (#259)
The question is still on the table, I do believe. George bush would say zero . That pre-emptively striking your opponent because he was About to strike you (maybe) is justified. I would say one. Once you crossed the line it is crossed. But the menance should be real... Not just a woman slapping you one time... I don't think trayvon got a hit in on zimm. I think zimm fucked himself up so he could sell that self defense bullshit. I just do not see any evidence for a four finger knuckle sandwich anywhere on his face. The holes in his nose tip look like pin needle pricks. Like he had a corn cob holder handy and stabbed his nose with it. How many strikes do you think an armed man should take prior to using the firearm for self defense? What is the magic number?
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#270. To: christine (#255)
No. I am not delusional. In fact I refuse to drink from the crazy well. You are delusional.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#271. To: FormerLurker (#258)
I think you should make yourself more familiar with the subject matter you are speaking on. IT was a duplex condo community. And you will have to forgive the lie about trayvon hiding from the rain. It was not raining that night. Their was no rain on the cop cars when they took in Zimmerman. Zimmermans coat was not wet. The blood was not washed off the back of his head because their was no rain . It was not raining that night. The rain is a lie.... like many things in thsi foul case. So learn more about it government operative. Nah I'm just kidding lurker... I know you know all about it and I know what your job here in this thread is... I just wish you wouldn't do it... your job I mean. Since it's so "obvious" to you that Zimmerman was chasing Martin around the neighborhood from house to house, and poor little Trayvon was screaming for help the entire time
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#272. To: titorite (#268)
Often times our anger causes us to forget that disciplined responses are required of us rather than vitriolic outbursts.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
– Plato (429-347 BC)
#273. To: titorite, christine (#270)
No. I am not delusional. hahahahahahaha .... You are delusional.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
– Plato (429-347 BC)
#274. To: noone222 (#272)
It's cool, lord knows I have been guilty myself. Often times our anger causes us to forget that disciplined responses are required of us rather than vitriolic outbursts.
______________________________________
Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
#275. To: titorite, abraxas (#269)
!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nobody, anywhere, has suggested that George Zimmerman faked his injuries, including the Sanford Police who interviewed him afterwards.I don't think trayvon got a hit in on zimm. I think zimm fucked himself up so he could sell that self defense bullshit.
-Alex Kurtagic
#276. To: X-15 (#275)
You have to know by now that titorite and strepsiptera are gone and ain't coming back. Although it is probably a safe bet that the men in the white coats are hunting them to take them back to The Home.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#277. To: titorite (#271)
So learn more about it government operative. Nah I'm just kidding lurker... I know you know all about it and I know what your job here in this thread is... I just wish you wouldn't do it... your job I mean. So what are you hoping to "prove" with that image? It doesn't have anything to do with your claims that Martin was going door to door screaming for help, and there is NOT any evidence or even claims by ANYONE (other than you) that ever happened. As far as the story about rain, it was probably made up to cover for Martin being seen lurking in someone's yard. So why are you so worked up over this that you have to lie and fabricate wild assed tales which NOBODY but you are spinning? And why would the "government" want to have someone such as me post information contradictory to what THEY are saying, where your idol Obama made this a racial thing where in reality it had nothing at all to do with race? Why are YOU siding with THEM? It was not raining that night. The rain is a lie.... like many things in thsi foul case.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#278. To: James Deffenbach (#276)
Have they been banned? You have to know by now that titorite and strepsiptera are gone and ain't coming back.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#279. To: X-15, titorite, abraxas (#275)
Let's see, according to titorite, Zimmerman (a guy who has helped out people regardless of skin color) all of a sudden decided he was going to chase an angelic little black kid all around his neighborhood with a gun, while the kid is screaming for help while going door to door, then he executes him and fakes some injuries so that he can get away with it. And oh yeah, he did all that because he's an evil Jew (where in reality he is Catholic and his parents were Baptist and Catholic). Yeah, I guess with enough Sterno, Lean, and whatever he can dig up out of his medicine cabinet, that might all make sense. Nobody, anywhere, has suggested that George Zimmerman faked his injuries, including the Sanford Police who interviewed him afterwards.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#280. To: FormerLurker (#278)
Oh no, when I said they were gone and ain't coming back I meant that (imo) they are nuts. I guess I banned them in a sense because I put them on my clown filter. You know that old saying about how some folks don't suffer fools gladly? The older I get the more I think that is a wise course because life is too short to banter much with folks who have to know they are arguing bs. Have they been banned?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#281. To: James Deffenbach (#280)
I had the psycho on filter for quite some time but decided to respond to one of his more off the wall comments after seeing it when not logged in. Might be an idea to put him back on, there's certainly nothing he'll ever have to say that would be worth listening to.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#282. To: FormerLurker (#281)
While it is possible that one or the other of them might, at some future date, have a coherent thought that would be worth the time it took to read I have yet to see evidence of it on the threads having to do with the Martin/Zimmerman case.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#283. To: titorite (#271)
Stop with your delusions, you're just nuts: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSFB/2012/2/26/DailyHistory.html? req_city=Sanford&req_state=FL&req_statename=Florida Weather History for Sanford, FL Sunday, February 26, 2012 Precipitation Precipitation 0.20 in Sea Level Pressure Sea Level Pressure 30.31 in Wind Wind Speed 7 mph (ENE) Max Wind Speed 17 mph Max Gust Speed 22 mph Visibility 8 miles Events RainIt was not raining that night. The rain is a lie.... like many things in thsi foul case.
-Alex Kurtagic
#284. To: X-15 (#283)
Don't be surprised if he or one of his cohorts tells you that the Weather Underground is a terrorist site. They've done it to me in the past on a different matter... http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSFB/2012/2/26/DailyHistory.html? req_city=Sanford&req_state=FL&req_statename=Florida
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest