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Title: Zimmerman juror from Chicago speaks out: He 'got away with murder'
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Published: Jul 25, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-07-25 15:38:33 by Horse
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A juror in the George Zimmerman trial who had recently moved to Florida from Chicago said today that Zimmerman "got away with murder" for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology to Martin's parents. "You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," the woman, identified only as Juror B29 during the trial, told ABC's "Good Morning America. "We had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence." She said the evidence, under Florida law, did not prove murder. The court has sealed the jurors' identities. While she allowed her face to be shown during the interview, she used only a first name of Maddy. The woman is a nursing assistant and mother of eight children. She was living in Chicago when Martin was killed and was selected as a juror five months after moving to Seminole County, Fla. She is 36 and Puerto Rican, the only minority among the five women on the jury. Zimmerman, 29, is Hispanic and Martin, 17, was black. But Maddy insisted that the case was never about race, at least to her. "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with," Maddy told the show. When the jury began deliberations, Maddy said she favored convicting Zimmerman of second-degree murder, which could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. The jury was also allowed to consider manslaughter, a lesser charge. "I was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. I fought to the end," she said. But on the second day of deliberations, Maddy said she realized there wasn't enough proof to convict Zimmerman of murder or manslaughter under Florida law. Zimmerman admitted he shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, but maintained he fired in self-defense. "That's where I felt confused, where if a person kills someone, then you get charged for it," Maddy said. "But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty." The juror said she has had trouble adjusting to life after the verdict, and has wrestled with whether she made the right decision. "I felt like I let a lot of people down, and I'm thinking to myself, 'Did I go the right way? Did I go the wrong way?'" she said. "As much as we were trying to find this man guilty. . .they give you a booklet that basically tells you the truth. And the truth is that there was nothing that we could do about it," she said. "I feel the verdict was already told." She said she believes she owes Trayvon Martin's parents an apology because she feels "like I let them down." "It's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I'm hurting as much Trayvon's Martin's mother because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain," she said. Maddy is the second juror to speak in a televised interview, and the first to show her face. Juror B37, whose face and body were hidden, appeared last week on Anderson Cooper's CNN show, and said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" when he became suspicious of Martin and that the teenager probably threw the first punch. Since then, four other jurors distanced themselves from B37's remarks and released a statement saying B37's opinions were "not in any way representative" of their own. Poster Comment: Zimmerman is not white. He could not be convicted because there was no evidence. But I wonder why they had an all woman jury. Maybe they were looking for people like this woman.
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#35. To: strepsiptera (#20)
Wha-wha-what? St. Trayvon smoked weed? And how do you know it was a few days earlier? Your evidence is ...? Strawman argument. The two are not equivalent and you know it. Trayvon went to the store and the only two things he purchased were 2 of the 3 ingredients required to make "lean". And we know from his online postings that he was a "lean" user as there are screen captures of his postings (along with quite few others that were dramatizing his violent inclinations). Does that prove that he bought those 2 of 3 ingredients for the purpose of making lean? No. However, it is interesting to note that the persecution kept insisting upon calling it iced tea when it was not. Evidently they likely thought that is what it was for. Again you are clutching at Strawmen. The eyewitness observed what could only be trayvon on top of Zimmerman raining blows down upon his face with Zimmerman, on the bottom, calling out for help. A sucker punch from behind does not guarantee that the person attacked is going to land on his face. It is entirely possible that Zimmerman's nose was broken when Trayvon sucker punched him, but I can only reconstruct things from what the observed evidence is. I was not there, AND neither were you. Yet, you seem to have mounted your crystal ball and read Zimmerman's mind while your fancies carried you back to the night that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman. I operate on evidence, NOT supposition. I can reconstruct what probably occurred based upon the available evidence, but I was not there to observe exactly how things went down. However, Zimmerman's account along with the eyewitness and physical evidence seems to clearly indicate that St. Trayvon initiated the aggression and Zimmerman defended himself. In your preconceptions and prejudices you may want to believe otherwise, but the evidence does not support you. Stalking someone with a gun is aggressive behavior. Trayvon doesn't need to be injured for Zimmerman to be guilty of assault. If Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon then Zimmerman would be guilty of assault and Trayvon's punch would be self defense. Robitussin is the only one of those ingredients which is even a drug. The other two things do nothing. A drug without the active ingredient is not a drug.
FYI: Saint Trayvon had pot in his blood AND liver damage typical of overdosing (at 17!!).
No evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was under the influence of drugs a few days earlier.
The purple drank theory is equivalent to saying that because I have purchased sudafed within the past year that proves that I am on meth.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#36. To: strepsiptera (#34)
So if this alleged sucker punch was from behind then why did Zimmerman have a bloody nose? A punch coming from behind would strike the back or side of the head.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#37. To: Original_Intent (#32)
#38. To: strepsiptera (#37)
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#39. To: strepsiptera (#37)
And your proof that Zimmerman was stalking pooooooooor Trayvon, is? Zimmerman was the local Neighborhood Watch Captain in a mixed neighborhood that had been subject to multiple break ins and burglaries over the preceding months. He had already, in earlier incidents, shown a willingness to help and defend neighbors some of which were elderly and black. In all cases where the criminals conducting the break-ins and burglaries were observed they were black youths. Trayvon, from Zimmerman's 911 call, WAS behaving suspiciously; peering into unlit houses and appearing to be casing the neighborhood. That is consistent with prior events, and Trayvon, if not for political correctness, should have already been reported to the police as a locker search at school yielded stolen property and what was described as a burglary tool. Oh, and the Jury was not allowed to be told that, or the multiple times Trayvon had been ejected from school for his violent behavior, but they nevertheless did not see enough evidence to convict. Even without knowing Trayvon's criminal history. You seem addicted to strawman arguments. Your argument is logically equivalent to saying that finding someone with Hydrosulfuric acid and Glycerin does not mean that they had no intention of acquiring some nice Nitric Acid in order to finish making a batch of Nitroglycerin. No, having 2 of the 3 ingredients for making a drug is not clear proof of intent. However, again if you go and look at Trayvon's online postings he clearly knew what the ingredients required were, had used it in the past (remember the autopsy found liver damage i.e., deposits not normally found on the liver of a healthy clean and sober 17 year old), and his postings show at least one attempt to "score" some codeine online. Again you are clutching at straws and trying to absolve pooooooooor St. Trayvon who by all records and accounts was a violent little thug who used drugs. Sorry, but all you can do at this point is try to obfuscate and evade. Unfortunately, all modesty aside, I am too schooled in logic to fall prey to such tactics. Stalking someone with a gun is aggressive behavior.
"Robitussin is the only one of those ingredients which is even a drug. The other two things do nothing. A drug without the active ingredient is not a drug. "
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#40. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#39)
strepsiptera seems to be under the impression that you are entitled to your own opinon as well as your own facts. But the known facts of the case, not just supposition in the minds of people who weren't there, are consistent with the story Zimmerman told.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#40)
That reminds me of a favorite quote of Daniel Patrick Moynihan (one of the few liberals I actually respected): Exactly. I am willing to admit I could be wrong, BUT based upon the available evidence it is consistent with St. Trayvon having "gone off on the Crazy ass Cracka'" and as a result got himself killed in self defense when the "Crazy ass Cracka" defended himself. While by the neighborhood watch guidelines Zimmerman should not have been packing heat, he appears to have needed it to defend his life. While Zimmerman's behavior can be questioned - as to whether he should have withdrawn more quickly he nevertheless appears to have been disengaging when the poor sainted Trayvon jumped him. There is absolutely NO evidence that Zimmerman initiated the contact, and that is the one fact that the people trying to turn this into the big bad not-so-white guy who grew up with other black kids, was himself part black, was just following poooooooooooor St. Trayvon at night in a neighborhood that had experienced multiple burglaries and break-ins because he was a rayciss. Give me A break! "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts."
But the known facts of the case, not just supposition in the minds of people who weren't there, are consistent with the story Zimmerman told.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#42. To: Original_Intent (#39)
Being the same race as someone who committed a crime does not make you a criminal. Zimmerman jumped to the conclusion that Trayvon was a criminal based primarily on his race. That is why race is an issue in this case. Zimmerman sounds paranoid and delusional on the 911 tape. There is no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was doing anything criminal or even suspicious on the night that he was killed. In all cases where the criminals conducting the break-ins and burglaries were observed they were black youths.
#43. To: James Deffenbach (#40)
My problem with the way you and others are looking at this is that you are accepting Zimmerman's word as some kind of absolute truth on issues on which there is no way of knowing for certain what happened. You have no evidence for a sucker punch, no evidence that the escalation from words to violence was done by Trayvon, no evidence that Trayvon was engaged in criminal behavior on the night he was killed, and no proof that Zimmerman was getting his head bashed into the cement. If Zimmerman's version of events is so airtight that it is beyond question then why didn't he testify and why was he afraid of being cross examined? The prosecution made a stupid mistake in allowing the video re-enactment tape. Had Zimmerman testified and been cross examined it is very likely that at least some parts of his story would have fallen apart.
#44. To: strepsiptera (#42)
No it does not, but when you are in a neighborhood at night "casing" houses it is reasonable, and prudent, to ask if that suspicious person is up to no good. Zimmerman did not try to arrest him, he merely kept tabs on him while he called 911. There is nothing aggressive in that and given the history of the neighborhood, and Trayvon's behavior, it was not unreasonable to question what he was doing. Again you can't have "your own" "facts". What we can observe and draw from conclusions from is what is in evidence. Zimmerman was the Neighborhood Watch Captain and so it was entirely reasonable for him to keep tabs on suspicious behavior. I've been on the Neighborhood Watch and I have had a couple of incidents where I did have to call 911. So, was my keeping a watch on the neighborhood an aggressively criminal offense? Did my keeping watch entitle the people I was keeping tabs on to attack me? Just remember: "When seconds count the Police are only minutes away." And again Zimmerman did not draw a conclusion that Trayvon was behaving suspiciously because of his race, it was because he was behaving suspiciously. Remember the 911 tape? Zimmerman was not even sure of the race of the person he was following until the 911 Operator asked him and he looked. Even then he was not sure - his answer to the question was, "I think he's black." That is also the reason for Zimmerman's defamation lawsuit as ABC Snooze edited the tape and cut out all of the intervening words thus creating a false impression in their reporting. Gee, that sure sounds like Klan material to me. /sarcasm Oh, really? Pray do tell? Given that Zimmerman called 911 and the description of suspicious behavior is on the tape perhaps you can pull out your crystal ball and decipher it for us. And again it was SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR that, from the 911 tape, caught Zimmerman's eye, not the color of Trayvon's hide which he was not sure of till the 911 Operator asked him to look. Again, you are welcome to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Being the same race as someone who committed a crime does not make you a criminal.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon was doing anything criminal or even suspicious on the night that he was killed.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#45. To: abraxas (#10)
Nobody gets a free pass. Not even you. Tryanny is tyranny. Injustuce is injustice. That fucker sounds as guilty as zimmerman. This aint about white guilt... Thats stupid. It is just about justice and their aint none... So their is another example of a waste of life. Another POS coward with gun that would rather put a bullet in you than shake your hand. Whats the point?
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#46. To: Original_Intent (#44) (Edited)
Zimmermans myspace page refers to mexicans as thugs, beaners and the like... Self loathers are the worst.
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#47. To: RickyJ (#7) (Edited)
No, I want to avoid joining you on your path. I can not judge a mans soul and woe to the fool that tries to play God. rayvon is in hell now, do you want to join him by supporting him?
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#48. To: strepsiptera, James Deffenbach (#43)
No. That is NOT a true statement. The evidence both physical and circumstantial supports Zimmerman's account. The one eyewitness testified that the person on top fit Trayvon's description. Again, you can have your own opinion but you cannot have your own facts. You have produced NOT 1, none, zero, nada, not any facts which support your "feelings". Because that is what they are, feelings not facts. You evidently have decided that St. Trayvon was a poor innocent babe and Zimmerman was an aggressive ogre despite all of the evidence to the contrary. That is why the Persecution had to bring to the stand such stellar witnesses as Jeantel - whose statement was in cursive but on the stand she admitted that she cannot read cursive. What doesn't fit and why? You know this how? Based on what evidence? My problem with the way you and others are looking at this is that you are accepting Zimmerman's word as some kind of absolute truth on issues on which there is no way of knowing for certain what happened.
Had Zimmerman testified and been cross examined it is very likely that at least some parts of his story would have fallen apart.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#49. To: Artisan (#1)
Other way around; people in the neighborhood already knew she was on the jury. So who knows what she really thinks. now that she was stupid enough to give her name, face,career, & family details.
"If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'"
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#50. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
She comes off better in the video, IMO. Remember the media IS trying to stir things up.
"If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'"
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#51. To: strepsiptera (#15)
There is evidence. He was black. Blacks will attack from behind. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Trayvon sucker punched anyone.
"If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'"
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#52. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#51)
So will Whites, Asians, Turks, Poles, Mexicans, Guatamalens, Lithuanians, Texans, Aborigines, ... It depends upon the individual, not the color of their skin.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
He was not defending himself from a kid begging for help. The sound of the tape is running around shouting for help in different places.. Unless yelling for help can kill someone St Zimmerman is the one with the dirty deed. I don't blame Zimmerman one iota for defending himself.
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#54. To: Turtle (#2)
Yeah but you hate all women turtle. She should have never been on the jury. I doubt her IQ is over 100.
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#55. To: Original_Intent (#48)
I have seen the original pictures OI... UNless the paramedic cleaned out his nostrols, and washed out his beard , jews have been at work here. NO grass on his back here Here is a little bloody and no black eyes...and that weird dot nose blood drip. Let us look at a cleaned up picture of him from the same night. His mustache and nostrols have been wiped out... OK so this only proves that zimm might of used a netty pot to clean out his nose before the interview about the murder began... I can run with that. Here is the picture of trayvons pants... Note the grass stains on his knees... I doubt he died on his feet. 
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#56. To: titorite (#55)
Just reviewing the evidence: Which would be consistent with the eyewitness description of Trayvon straddling Zimmerman, who was on his back on the lawn, while he pummeled him. Given that per the reports he was attended to, at the Police Station, by the Paramedics who arrived on the scene that is not surprising. It just shows that he was cleaned up. However, the photos you don't have here are the ones of the back of his head before he was cleaned up. That ridge of red on his nose is consistent with his nose having been broken as is the bloody one above. Having had my own nose broken I can assure you that while it is painful it does not show a lot after the intitial bloody mess has been cleaned up. (I can still feel a ridge where it was broken and then later re-set by the Reconstructive Surgeon who patched me up. My nose was broken in 7 places - ouch.) I cannot entirely account for the back of his jacket. I wish the photo showed his hind end better as that would be more telling. Denim would hold a grass stain better than a nylon shell. Here is the picture of trayvons pants... Note the grass stains on his knees...
His mustache and nostrols have been wiped out...
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#57. To: Original_Intent (#56)
That is because he did not clean up his back... those pictures were taken with in 45 minutes of the incident.. Zimmerman did not throw his cloths in the wash machine. Those are the cloths he was wearing. He never got his jacket dirty. However, the photos you don't have here are the ones of the back of his head before he was cleaned up.
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#58. To: titorite (#57)
Do we even know whether he was wearing the jacket when Trayvon jumped him? He could have put it on after the fact and thus any grass stains would be on his shirt. Not enough data to resolve it one way or the other. The shots of the back of his head were, if I recall correctly, taken at the scene. So, 45 minutes later, after he had been attended to and cleaned up, it is not surprising that they are gone. I'm sorry but I remain unconvinced. Everything I am seeing, with the exception of a few picked nits, points in the direction of Trayvon having been the aggressor and Zimmerman the defender.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law)
#59. To: Horse (#0)
Eight children? Really? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. And don't anyone give me B.S. about Catholicism. Re: modified rhythm birth control www.scientificamerican.co...ural-family-planning-stm- as-effective-as-the-contraceptive-pill snip A new German study, however, has found that, when practiced correctly, a method of periodic abstinence known as the sympto-thermal method (STM) leads to an unintended pregnancy rate of only 0.6 percent annually. This rate is comparable with that of unintended pregnancies in women who use birth control pills, the most popular method of contraception in the U.S. For the sympto-thermal method to work, women must keep track of three things: their core body temperature, the fertile days of their cycle as measured by a calendar, and their cervical secretions. Using this information, women are able to abstain from sex during their fertile period, which includes several days prior to and after the day of ovulation.
#60. To: titorite (#53)
Trayvon took the homophobic advice of his gal pal and decided to teach a*s cracker, Zimmerman, a lesson. He picked the wrong cracker. Why are you supporting a homophobic drug dealing thief, anyhow? St Zimmerman is the one with the dirty deed.
#61. To: Horse (#0)
This broad is typical of what passes for a juror these days. Stupid and ignorant.
Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.
– Plato (429-347 BC)
#62. To: titorite (#45)
Another POS coward with gun that would rather put a bullet in you than shake your hand. True, not even St. Trayvon. If you assault a person, expect that person to defend themselves. I would do the same. It isn't tryanny (sic) or injustuce (sic)...it is self defense. Do you think that Trayvon would have assaulted the "creepy ass cracker" if he knew that he was armed? Trayvon didn't want to shake the "creepy as cracker" hand. He wanted to beat the shit out of the "creepy ass cracker" but that didn't work out as he planned. Nobody gets a free pass. Not even you. Tryanny is tyranny. Injustuce is injustice.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#63. To: Original_Intent (#58)
Yes, because eye witnesses identified the person in the red jacket as the person on the bottom getting beaten by the person in the hoodie. Grass marks were found on Zimmerman's jacket and none were found on Trayvon's jacket. Trayvon had grass marks on his knees only. Do we even know whether he was wearing the jacket when Trayvon jumped him?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#64. To: titorite (#57)
Evidence presented to the jury shows grass marks on the back of Zimmerman's jacket....also eye witness testimony from detectives substantiate this. Did you even bother to look at any of the evidence presented in this case? Are you still harping about fingerprints on the gun when none, not even Zimmerman's, were found? He never got his jacket dirty.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#65. To: strepsiptera (#43)
If Zimmerman's version of events is so airtight that it is beyond question then why didn't he testify and why was he afraid of being cross examined? No, it isn't likely. Seven times Zimmerman gave up his right to the 5th and provided statements to the police.......SEVEN TIMES. All of which were presented at trial. Isn't that enough telling of the story? The story was consistent every time. When an attorney advises a client not to take the stand, a smart defendant takes the advice. It has nothing to do with fear of being cross examined. This is another straw man because you didn't get the result you wanted. Sheesh, the prosecution in this case was a bunch of boobs, nothing to fear. Did you see how they handled their own star witness? lol Had Zimmerman testified and been cross examined it is very likely that at least some parts of his story would have fallen apart.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#66. To: Original_Intent (#56)
Also, it was raining that night. Wet jackets actually dry in 45 minutes. I cannot entirely account for the back of his jacket. I wish the photo showed his hind end better as that would be more telling. Denim would hold a grass stain better than a nylon shell.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#67. To: titorite (#57)
Nylon dries quickly. Detectives on the scene testified that Zim's jacket was wet and had grass on it when they arrived. They took photos. These photos were presented in court. Are you now claiming that the detectives gave false testimony and false pictures? those pictures were taken with in 45 minutes of the incident..
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#68. To: titorite (#53)
Well, the only actual witness said it was Zimmerman. The black lady who testified from home (or the hospital or wherever she was) said that it was a white male who was calling for help. But you were there and you know better I guess. He was not defending himself from a kid begging for help.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#69. To: Original_Intent (#41)
It is hard to believe that St. Trayvon has all these people who are willing to ignore any and all evidence which tends to show their hero was not the innocent child they want so desperately to believe in. They sound like people who might still believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. Exactly. I am willing to admit I could be wrong, BUT based upon the available evidence it is consistent with St. Trayvon having "gone off on the Crazy ass Cracka'" and as a result got himself killed in self defense when the "Crazy ass Cracka" defended himself.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#70. To: Original_Intent, strepsiptera (#48)
Some folks don't need facts and evidence, they have feewings. You know this how? Based on what evidence?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#71. To: titorite (#53)
That sounds somewhat insane. Why would someone on top of another person and beating the crap out of them be calling for help unless he was trying to get some of his homies to come and help him finish off the "creepy ass cracker"? People who believe they are winning a fight never holler for help, at least I have never heard of anyone who did. He was not defending himself from a kid begging for help.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#72. To: titorite (#54)
No, I don't. Many women, however, need to be spanked once a day and twice on Sundays. I'll say this, though: when people act like normal people, I act like a normal guy. On the other hand, when they do not, they are always surprised at what a psycho I am. That includes women, since in these days of women thinking they are equal to men except when they don't want to be, I treat them as men whether they want it or not. Yeah but you hate all women turtle.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
#73. To: James Deffenbach (#71)
So now you are hallucinating an entire gang of homies lurking somewhere in the shadows? and you are the one accusing me of magical thinking?
#74. To: Original_Intent (#44)
The only thing Trayvon was doing is walking through the neighborhood, which Zimmerman chose to subjectively interpret as suspicious behavior based on his own paranoia. Show me hard objective evidence that Trayvon was doing anything suspicious prior to Zimmerman pursuing him. Zimmerman was not a neutral person trying to investigate the situation. He is extremely belligerent and hostile on the 911 tape.
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