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Title: Pope Signals Openness to Gay Priests
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WSJ
URL Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100 ... 4354704578635401320888608.html
Published: Jul 29, 2013
Author: Stacy Meightry
Post Date: 2013-07-29 13:54:43 by scrapper2
Keywords: gay priests, Pope Francis
Views: 264
Comments: 10
ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE— Pope Francis opened the door on Sunday to greater acceptance of gay priests inside the ranks of Roman Catholicism as he returned to the Vatican from his maiden trip overseas. Fielding questions from reporters during the first news conference of his young papacy, the pontiff broached the delicate question of how he would respond to learning that a cleric in his ranks was gay, though not sexually active. For decades, the Vatican has regarded homosexuality as a "disorder," and Pope Francis' predecessor Pope Benedict XVI formally barred men with what the Vatican deemed "deep-seated" homosexuality from entering the priesthood. "Who am I to judge a gay person of goodwill who seeks the Lord?" the pontiff said, speaking in Italian. "You can't marginalize these people." Never before had a pope spoken out in defense of gay priests in the Catholic ministry, said Vatican analysts. Past popes have traditionally treated homosexuality as an obstacle to priestly celibacy, and the Vatican has sent extensive instructions to Catholic seminaries on how to restrict gay candidates from the priesthood. Still, Pope Francis referred to homosexual acts as a sin, reaffirming church teaching. Pope Francis "is showing a deep respect for the human condition as it is instead of approaching things in a doctrinal way," said Alberto Melloni, a church historian. Women, the pope said, couldn't be ordained as priests, because the issue had been "definitively" settled by Pope John Paul II. However, he wanted to develop a "theology of the woman," in order to expand and deepen their involvement in the life of the church. The 80-minute news conference was wide-ranging and hastily arranged aboard an overnight flight that returned the pontiff to Rome Monday from a weeklong trip to Brazil, where millions of people flocked to see him, including three million at a Mass Sunday on the beach in Rio de Janeiro. The rock-star reception, analysts say, is likely to strengthen the pope's hand as he confronts myriad challenges awaiting him at the Vatican, including corruption at the Vatican bank to the long-running sexual-abuse crisis. Pope Francis' remarks on homosexuality came as he mused at length on one scandal that erupted on his predecessor's watch: a secret Vatican report leaked to the Italian media purporting that a clique of homosexual Vatican clerics had formed a "gay lobby" that was secretly pulling the strings inside the Holy See. The Argentine pontiff said he had discussed the findings of the internal Vatican report with Pope Benedict XVI, who resigned in early February. The German pope emeritus, Pope Francis said, had given him a box full of documentation and testimony from the internal report prepared by three octogenarian cardinals before he stepped down. In a nuanced yet candid reflection, the pope carefully drew a distinction between the possibility of pressure groups existing inside the Vatican—which he defined as a "problem"—and the potential presence of gay priests within Vatican ranks. "You have to distinguish between the fact of a person being gay, and the fact of a lobby," the pope said. "The problem isn't having this orientation. The problem is making a lobby." The comments cut to the core of one of the most challenging issues facing the Catholic priesthood. Bishops who run local dioceses have long been divided over whether to accept gay priests who are chaste. While some bishops are tolerant of homosexuality, the Vatican's ban on gay men entering the priesthood has forced many clerics to keep their sexuality hidden from superiors who are likely to crack down. For bishops, the issue boils down to if "you got a priest you know is gay but is not active is that a problem for you or not?" said John L. Allen, a Vatican analyst with the National Catholic Reporter. "For this pope the answer is 'no.'" The pontiff waded into the issue after a reporter asked him to comment on a report in an Italian magazine purporting that a Vatican monsignor named Battista Ricca promoted by Pope Francis engaged in gay sexual relationships years ago when he was posted overseas at a Vatican embassy in Latin America. The monsignor hasn't commented publicly on the media scrutiny, and he remains in good standing with the pope, said a senior Vatican official. Msgr. Ricca declined to comment on Monday. The media scrutiny of the monsignor's personal life is a delicate matter for Pope Francis. In one of his first moves as pope, he appointed Msgr. Ricca as interim overseer of the Vatican's bank while a special commission weighs the bank's future. For years, the bank has faced allegations from Italian prosecutors and regulators that its internal controls weren't strong enough to guard against money laundering. On Sunday, Pope Francis suggested he was keeping all options on the table, from transforming the bank into a charitable fund to shutting it. "I don't know how this story is going to end," the pope said. The monsignor under media scrutiny is tasked with acting as Pope Francis' eyes and ears while the commission forges ahead. The pontiff said he ordered a preliminary investigation of the monsignor after rumors began to swirl about the cleric's purported sex life. The inquiry "found nothing," the pope said without elaborating on the investigation or its findings. "Many times in the church one goes in search of the sins of youth, and this gets published," the pope said. While criminal conduct—such as the sexual abuse of minors—should be punished, sins should be forgiven once a person confesses, the pope said. "When the Lord forgives, He forgets," Pope Francis said. The pope, who had declined to take questions on his way to Brazil, on the return flight dispensed reading advice and discussed his plans to visit Jerusalem on his next overseas trip. Through it all, he maintained a Zen-like state of calm, even as the plane hit turbulence and the seat-belt lights flashed. Corrections & Amplifications The photo caption on an earlier version of this article incorrectly stated that the pope left Rio de Janiero Monday. The flight left Sunday. Poster Comment: "You have to distinguish between the fact of a person being gay, and the fact of a lobby," the pope said. "The problem isn't having this orientation. The problem is making a lobby." No, numb nuts. The problem is having "this orientation" and being in a position of authority over adolescent altar boys. What did the Catholic Church's previous investigation into the sexual abuse inflicted by priests scandal show? Answer: 85% of the sexual abuse was male on young male.
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#1. To: scrapper2 (#0)
Love thy neighbor, and fellow noviciate, eh, Francis? Effing disgraceful.
I'm speechless. This truly has become an evil infested world.
Um, doesn't the Bible forbid Homosexuality? I have no malice against Gays unless they want privileges. This story just seems so odd and surreal.
Just another nail in the coffin of the Catholick Church. "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Maybe not so odd, eh? Consider the fact that ol' Jorge Mario Bergoglio came out of nowhere and got picked over 7 front runners like Francis Arinze from Nigeria, who is a social and theological conservative on subjects like celibacy, women priests, homosexuality. www.zerohedge.com/news/20...ins-meet-papal-candidates Bergoglio's position on homosexuality was actually quite conservative BEFORE he was elected Pope. hmmm... makes you wonder... www.zerohedge.com/news/20...glio-elected-pope-francis snip A surprising pick for Pope, Argentina's 76 year old Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who was not among the front-runners, is now the Pope of the Catholic Church. His chosen name is Pope Francis. He is the first non-European pope since 741...Upon the death of Pope John Paul II, Bergoglio, considered papabile himself, participated in the 2005 papal conclave as a cardinal elector, the conclave that selected Pope Benedict XVI. A widespread theory says that he was in a tight fight with Ratzinger until he himself adviced crying not to be voted. He [Bergoglio] has affirmed church teaching on homosexuality, though he teaches the importance of respecting individuals who are gay. He strongly opposed legislation introduced in 2010 by the Argentine Government to allow same-sex marriage. In a letter to the monasteries of Buenos Aires, he wrote: "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God." He has also insisted that adoption by gays and lesbians is a form of discrimination against children. This position received a rebuke from Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who said the church's tone was reminiscent of "medieval times and the Inquisition"...
God will not be mocked. The Pope is raking coals upon his own head.
#2. To: scrapper2 (#0)
#3. To: scrapper2 (#0)
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#4. To: scrapper2 (#0)
"I don't know how this story is going to end," the pope said.
#5. To: Americans 1st (#3)
This story just seems so odd and surreal.
#6. To: scrapper2 (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#7. To: scrapper2 (#0)
Really?? Children are the result of the expression of love between a man and a woman in the Sacrament of Marriage. What is the end result of sexual intercourse between two men? Syphillis? Gonorrhea? Their fake 'love' has no purpose other than sexual gratification. There is no creation of life in homosexual relationships and the sexual act is one of pure gratification without there being a higher purpose like the creation of life. His Holiness is an unholy fraud. "Who am I to judge a gay person of goodwill who seeks the Lord?" the pontiff said, speaking in Italian. "You can't marginalize these people."
-Alex Kurtagic
#8. To: X-15 (#7)
Methinks you are right. His Holiness is an unholy fraud.
#9. To: scrapper2, x-15 (#0)
scrapper2, dont let this weaken your faith. Yes there has been corruption among Papacy historically. St Bridget wrote of this harshly. Also look up Pope Innocent spending a century in purgatory.But this doesnt detract from the truth of the catholic church
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#10. To: X-15 (#7)
Very nicely put. What a breath of fresh air it would have been had his holiness said something similar. Children are the result of the expression of love between a man and a woman in the Sacrament of Marriage. What is the end result of sexual intercourse between two men? Syphillis? Gonorrhea? Their fake 'love' has no purpose other than sexual gratification. There is no creation of life in homosexual relationships and the sexual act is one of pure gratification without there being a higher purpose like the creation of life.
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
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