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Title: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.”
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Published: Aug 4, 2013
Author: marrage of Netscape and Yahoo
Post Date: 2013-08-04 11:02:03 by Itistoolate
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Comments: 61

— Israeli Prime

Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002.

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#2. To: Itistoolate (#0)

You might want to provide the source for this alleged quote. And check your history book; Ariel Sharon, not Netanyahu, was Israeli PM in 2002.

Shoonra  posted on  2013-08-04   12:12:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Shoonra (#2)

Did Benjamin Netanyahu say that or not?

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-04   12:51:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GreyLmist (#6)

I feel sure he didn't say it. The quote is a fake.

Shoonra  posted on  2013-08-04   13:12:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Shoonra, GreyMist, All (#8)

The quote is a fake.

I tend to agree with Shoonra on this particular quote.

I haven't found any proof that Sharon said this to Peres publicly.

Sharon is a brutal war criminal but he's not a stupid politician.

IMHO, arguing about a unverifiable quote is a distraction from discussion of the horrific war crimes of Ariel Sharon. Sharon's despicable murderous actions are public knowledge - they will follow him to his grave.

www.independent.co.uk/voi...y-robert-fisk-521809.html

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-04   15:34:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: scrapper2, all (#15)

I tend to agree with Shoonra on this particular quote.

I haven't found any proof that Sharon said this to Peres publicly.

It was on Israeli Radio, but the interview, debate, report was in Hebrew. I do not find it surprising that it has not received more "airing" as it was a very revealing comment, and one not intended for Goy ears.

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." ~ Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Source 1) (Source 2) (Source 3)

While the above are not definitive, and do not rise to the level of having an actual recording and transcript, it seems fairly certain that Sharon really did say what he credited with.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-08-04   15:56:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#17)

While the above are not definitive

That's my point - there's no definitive proof for that quote like a YouTube recording or transcript of Sharon saying it publicly, so folks like Shoonra can and will respond with an "It's a fake" comment and then the subsequent line of thinking will be "well, if the quote is fake, what else about sweet Ariel Sharon is fake?"

Sharon may have expressed that sentiment or a variation of it PRIVATELY to Peres and/or to other Israeli politicians.

But Sharon parlayed his terrorism into a successful military career and after that to being a very successful politician. Ariel Sharon is not a stupid man. To express that sentiment publicly on radio would be the mark of a stupid man.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-04   16:25:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: scrapper2 (#22)

To express that sentiment publicly on radio would be the mark of a stupid man.

To express that sentiment publicly on radio would be the mark of an stupid arrogant man.

By all observations Ariel Sharon was virtually the epitome of arrogance. And by his works, shall we say Sabra and Shatilla, a very vile man.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-08-04   16:34:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent, Shoonra, All (#26)

And by his works, shall we say Sabra and Shatilla, a very vile man.

Once again that's my point - see post #15.

Ariel Sharon by his actions, which are public knowledge and have been verified, is a war criminal many times over.

Sharon's contemptible war crimes should be the focus of discussions IMHO, not a hearsay meaningless quote by him.

If you want proof positive evidence of Israel's reprehensible influence on American politics and its foreign policy, Professors Mearsheimer and Walt have written a 496 page book that includes copious numbers of sourced footnotes throughout their text and an extensive ( 50+ pages) bibliography.

Why bother using an unverified Sharon quote, unless you want to make Shoonra's day happy.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-04   17:21:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: scrapper2, Shoonra (#30)

Sharon's contemptible war crimes should be the focus of discussions IMHO, not a hearsay meaningless quote by him.

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Why bother using an unverified Sharon quote, unless you want to make Shoonra's day happy.

I don't think the quote has to be attributable to Sharon simply because he was the Prime Minister in 2002. It could just be a non-standard format referencing a comment made by the current Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, in 2002 (whatever his official title was then or not) during his reported visit to Pollard. Kind of like it's confusing but not unusual here in America for politicos to be cited when not in-office by their most recent title.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-04   20:56:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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