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Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin
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Published: Aug 6, 2013
Author: Glenda Wells
Post Date: 2013-08-06 00:10:23 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 1948
Comments: 237

Ms Fulton, Mr Martin I mourn your loss more than I can possibly say but let's be clear. Your son had as much opportunity to walk away as Mr Zimmerman did but chose instead to be aggressive himself.

Just as a reminder, Mr Zimmerman did not use Stand Your Ground as a defense. The facts are indisputable that your son was on top and pounding Mr Zimmerman. Your son was not stalked. Mr Zimmerman was judged in a court of law to be not guilty therefore no punishment is warranted.

Your son was depicted by the media as a young boy and portrayed as an innocent but let's be honest. We know that was not a true picture. Instead we learned you're son was a drug dealer and petty thief. Where were you when he should have been learning respect? Where were you when he needed the kind of guidance that would make him a good and decent man?

Your efforts now seem like the desperate reach of parents trying to make up for in death what they failed in life. To think otherwise would paint you as a crass and heartless people looking for personal gain on the grave of a soul lost too soon.

I am the Florida state coordinator for Gun Rights Across America. I represent more than 2,000 law abiding citizens who believe in our God-given right to defend ourselves, our families and our property against the kind of aggression displayed by your son that awful night and by countless thugs and criminals across the nation every day.

GRAA has the support of thousands of members in every state and we have the backing of millions more in hundreds of Patriot and Constitutional groups around the country. We will fight any effort designed to give thugs and criminals power over law abiding citizens.

We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide.

We are many. We are mighty. And we vote.

Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness.

Glenda Wells
Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator

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#2. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#0)

let's be honest.

This author is not being honest, imo. Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict, what's considered the reported evidence indicates that Martin (who had committed no "Running Man" crime that night by hurrying through his neighborhood to get home and out of the rain) was on the porch at his own home before the confrontation with Zimmerman. There are no witnesses that Zimmerman was aggressively struck first in the scenario -- just his word. That someone claimed it appeared to them that Zimmerman was being beaten while pinned to the ground doesn't mean they might not be mistaken or lying. Zimmerman's clothing did not look in film footage like he'd been on the wet ground, he requested help to restrain someone who most likely wouldn't even have been moving at that point and he tried to stop that person who had arrived with a flashlight from calling the police for help. That Zimmerman was reportedly in charge of patrolling the area for months and didn't know the names of the streets indicates he may have been motivated more by vigilantism than his safety duties. I think a good case could be made, though, for open carry instead of concealed carry by Neighborhood Watch patrols because that might prevent others being similarly shot by surprise during what was seemingly to them an unarmed fight with a probable stalker.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-06   7:30:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GreyLmist (#2) (Edited)

This author is not being honest, imo. Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict

With this opening comment you stumble straight into the Land of Crackpottery.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-08-06   15:06:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

This author is not being honest, imo. Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict

With this opening comment you stumble straight into the Land of Crackpottery, thereby rendering anything else you state unworthy of serious debate.

Reference: Post #5 of 4um Title: Raw Video: George Zimmerman reenacts incident for Sanford Police

A number of things about this controversy make no logical sense but there is more checkable evidence to suspect Masonic involvement in a staged Op than there is for the insistent narrative that this happened from an aggressive first-strike against Zimmerman by Martin, for which there are no actual witnesses whatsoever to that in the scenario other than the claims of Zimmerman who killed him. I don't take it for granted that his statements about that must be deemed unquestionable due to Martin not being wounded instead to survive and dispute them himself and don't think it's my perspective there that's unreasonable.

I've seen it asserted in discussions about this that it doesn't matter who struck first in the fight, just that Zimmerman feared for his life -- except that it seems to matter for the purposes of convincing people that it means nothing if Martin was fighting in fear of a stalker; that his killing was completely justifiable (even though he wasn't being pursued because Zimmerman had been alerted to any criminal acts in the area that night) on the grounds that he was imperfect (Zimmerman's imperfections dismissable) and because Zimmerman claims that he was hit first. If that's the type of "reasoning" you consider worthy of serious debate, I can't agree but am not perplexed, then, if you aren't interested in seriously discussing the safety merits of the Open Carry issue for Neighborhood Watch patrollers and those they serve v. Concealed Carry.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-06   19:02:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#8)

A number of things about this controversy make no logical sense but there is more checkable evidence to suspect Masonic involvement in a staged Op than there is for the insistent narrative that this happened from an aggressive first-strike against Zimmerman by Martin, for which there are no actual witnesses whatsoever to that in the scenario other than the claims of Zimmerman who killed him.

No actual witnesses whatsoever to that scenario? Say what?

Here's the transcript of John Good's testimony. John Good was the Prosecution's witness btw...

legalinsurrection.com/201...mixed-martial-arts-style/

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...the longer the State’s witness was in the stand, the more damage he did to the State’s theory of the case. The continually growing climax was realized at the very end of the testimony, when O’Mara held a copy of Good’s initial statement to then-lead Investigator Chris Serino (a transcript of is provided below):

O’Mara: Just to clarify what was actually talked about with Chris Serino, Investigator Serino, during this, we’re going to call it for the moment the Ground-and-Pound conversation. We have a rule called completeness, so what I want to do is put it in context for you, ask you if this is what you said to Chris Serino. OK?

“Yeah I pretty much heard somebody yelling outside. I wasn’t sure if it was, you know, a fight or something going wrong. So I opened my blinds and I see kind of like a person out there. I didn’t know if it was a dog attack or something. So I open my door. It was a black man with a black hoodie on top of the other, either a white guy or now I found out I think it was a Hispanic guy with a red sweatshirt on the ground yelling out help! And I tried to tell them, get out of here, you know, stop or whatever, and then one guy on top in the black hoodie was pretty much just throwing down blows on the guy kind of MMA-style.”

Is that the context in which that happened?

Good: Yes.

O’Mara: And then Investigator Serino said, a word that I have, and the transcripts may differ, ground, couldn’t figure it, maybe he said Ground-and-Pound, and then you said:

“Yeah, like a Ground-and-Pound on the concrete at this point, so at this point I told him I’m calling 911.”

AND

legalinsurrection.com/201...ideo-of-states-witnesses/

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Once again, it was simply not a very good day at all for the prosecution. The primary State witnesses today were Rachel Jeantel, Jenna Lauer, and Selma Mora. The first had her credibility substantively destroyed, the second was powerfully–almost humiliatingly–co-opted by the defense, and the third provided testimony entirely consistent with the defense’s theory of lawful self-defense.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-06   19:56:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#11)

The issue was who struck first. What you provided does not indicate anywhere that anyone ever witnessed Martin doing that. Good indicated that a fight was already in process before he saw anything. That is a fact in evidence and not Martin-apologetics. Because the "Good guy" claims to have seen Zimmerman being pounded on the ground at the time he looked doesn't mean that the fight couldn't have started with Martin the one being pounded to the ground at first. Establishing what's actually factual or not in this case doesn't seem to be as imporatant to many as a "Saint Zimmerman" narrative. I'd like to think real jurors would be more diligent but, from the recoil tensions witnessed in this case, it looks like the chances of that are slim to none.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-06   21:20:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: GreyLmist, scrapper2, all (#20)

Because the "Good guy" claims to have seen Zimmerman being pounded on the ground at the time he looked doesn't mean that the fight couldn't have started with Martin the one being pounded to the ground at first.

You are making an assumption that is not in evidence. While your speculation could, possibly, maybe be true there is no evidence to support that assumption. You are trying to read into the events your preferred spin on them.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-08-06   21:28:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#21)

Because the "Good guy" claims to have seen Zimmerman being pounded on the ground at the time he looked doesn't mean that the fight couldn't have started with Martin the one being pounded to the ground at first.

You are making an assumption that is not in evidence. While your speculation could, possibly, maybe be true there is no evidence to support that assumption. You are trying to read into the events your preferred spin on them.

The difference is that I am fully aware that it hasn't been proven who started the fight. The assumption of preferred spin that's repeatedly being made in this case and adamantly read as if factual evidence (when there is no supporting corroboration at all for Zimmerman's claim that he was aggressively struck first) is that Trayvon started the fight. If an agreement could be reached that we can't know for sure who started the fight just by Zimmerman's say so, that would be my current preference. I don't understand why that's been so much like an implacable sticking-point of contention despite the facts in evidence which indicate exactly that "Uncertainty Principle". How critical is it to the narrative for you and others that Trayvon be declared the aggressive initiator of the fight rather than Aggressor Unknown?

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-07   0:15:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GreyLmist (#31)

Even Trayvon's girl friend, Jeantel, said she believed Trayvon struck first.

Jeantel was not an eye witness but she was the one who Trayvn called and talked to through the course of "the event."

Check "The Google."

I think the major problem with assigning blame to a cult/oligarchy/outside secret society for every violent event that takes place is summed up in a childhood parable about the consequences of crying wolf.

You can become your own worst enemy by reading a deus ex machina into tragedies too often.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-07   2:26:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: scrapper2 (#32)

Even Trayvon's girl friend, Jeantel, said she believed Trayvon struck first.

Jeantel was not an eye witness but she was the one who Trayvn called and talked to through the course of "the event."

Check "The Google."

I think the major problem with assigning blame to a cult/oligarchy/outside secret society for every violent event that takes place is summed up in a childhood parable about the consequences of crying wolf.

You can become your own worst enemy by reading a deus ex machina into tragedies too often.

People tend to believe that her testimony is credible when they want to and not when they don't. I understand that the rest of what you're saying is the "conventional wisdom" on the subject of staged Ops, thanks. I don't assign every violent event to a cult/oligarchy/outside secret society. This is one of the times that I think the evidence pointed very obviously in the direction of a Masonic connection somehow. Trayvon's father is even reportedly a Master Mason himself. Debating and presenting what I suspect to be Op evidence that most others don't and seeing it that way more often than seems reasonable to many -- or differently than they do -- surely has been problematic for me and isolating to the detriment, maybe, of other issues of importance to more than me. I do what I can to discuss other issues without a stigmatism over Op topics skewing people's opinions but try to look at it from the vantage point of Op stagers and shadowy secret societies and such. You're effectively signaling to them that the more Op evidence there is (beyond a "standard" limit) that they're moving deceptively and damagingly against us, the more apt they are to get a pass as Non-Suspects from those thinking like you and the less people like me will be believed who happen to notice evidence of more than a few Op stagings, past and present. Sort of a win-win situation for them that penalizes investigative researchers without a sound basis to do so, really, imo -- like it's mostly about Surplus Supply and Demand or something and not facts in evidence that indicate Op complicity. Sheesh. That gave me pause to think about all the funner things there are to do than this. Decided to stay on-task here instead.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-07   4:52:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: GreyLmist (#34)

People tend to believe that her testimony is credible when they want to and not when they don't. I understand that the rest of what you're saying is the "conventional wisdom" on the subject of staged Ops, thanks. I don't assign every violent event to a cult/oligarchy/outside secret society. This is one of the times that I think the evidence pointed very obviously in the direction of a Masonic connection somehow. Trayvon's father is even reportedly a Master Mason himself.

1. Regarding your claim about Jeantel's testimony being presented as Truth only when it's a convenient to do so... if I'm not mistaken, Jeantel volunteered this information in a talk show interview AFTER the verdict in the trial was announced. She was not on the stand anymore. She was not presenting a phony story that the Prosecution had scripted and coached her to say. After the trial was done, Jeantel had nothing to gain or lose with her admission about Trayvon throwing the first punch. For this reason, I find her post-trial remarks about Trayvon throwing the "first punch" believable.

2.You don't always interject Staged Ops into discussions about violent events in the news. That is true. But because you have done it and continue to do it in such a frequent and predictable manner, it seems like you always do it more often than not.

3. Re: your comment: "Trayvon's father is even reportedly a Master Mason himself" - yes, Tracy Martin is a Grand Master in District #006.

www.renfordpbrowngl.org/district_006.html

That incidental fact does not make the Zimmerman-Trayvon shooting tragedy a Masonic Staged Op. One of my physicians is a Mason. My brother-in-law is a Knight of Columbus. Fyi, there's hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of Masons and KOC's in America. So what?

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-07   14:16:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: scrapper2 (#46)

In that interview, Rachel Jeantel says that she thinks Trayvon threw a punch in response to Z grabbing him. If Jeantel's theory were correct, that would still make Z guilty of assault and Trayvon's punch would be thrown in self defense.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-08-08   17:27:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: strepsiptera (#101)

Rachel Jeantel says that *she thinks* Trayvon threw a punch in response to Z grabbing him. If *Jeantel's theory* were correct

Absurd and inadmissible in any court of law. What Rachel Jeantel *thinks* is of no consequence and has no traction beyond giving Nancy Grace another orgasm when she shrieks "Breaking Development!!".

X-15  posted on  2013-08-08   17:38:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: X-15 (#104)

Then any speculation on her part that Trayvon threw the first punch is equally inadmissable.

She is only a witness to what she heard on the phone; nothing more.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-08-08   17:45:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#108. To: strepsiptera (#107)

But of course, she wasn't there and only heard some noise on a cell-phone. Her total involvement in George Zimmerman's trial was a farce, at most she was only a character-witness for Crayon's budding 'thug-fo-lyfe' lifestyle.

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