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Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin
Source: [None]
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Published: Aug 6, 2013
Author: Glenda Wells
Post Date: 2013-08-06 00:10:23 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 3305
Comments: 237

Ms Fulton, Mr Martin I mourn your loss more than I can possibly say but let's be clear. Your son had as much opportunity to walk away as Mr Zimmerman did but chose instead to be aggressive himself.

Just as a reminder, Mr Zimmerman did not use Stand Your Ground as a defense. The facts are indisputable that your son was on top and pounding Mr Zimmerman. Your son was not stalked. Mr Zimmerman was judged in a court of law to be not guilty therefore no punishment is warranted.

Your son was depicted by the media as a young boy and portrayed as an innocent but let's be honest. We know that was not a true picture. Instead we learned you're son was a drug dealer and petty thief. Where were you when he should have been learning respect? Where were you when he needed the kind of guidance that would make him a good and decent man?

Your efforts now seem like the desperate reach of parents trying to make up for in death what they failed in life. To think otherwise would paint you as a crass and heartless people looking for personal gain on the grave of a soul lost too soon.

I am the Florida state coordinator for Gun Rights Across America. I represent more than 2,000 law abiding citizens who believe in our God-given right to defend ourselves, our families and our property against the kind of aggression displayed by your son that awful night and by countless thugs and criminals across the nation every day.

GRAA has the support of thousands of members in every state and we have the backing of millions more in hundreds of Patriot and Constitutional groups around the country. We will fight any effort designed to give thugs and criminals power over law abiding citizens.

We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide.

We are many. We are mighty. And we vote.

Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness.

Glenda Wells
Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator

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#2. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#0)

let's be honest.

This author is not being honest, imo. Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict, what's considered the reported evidence indicates that Martin (who had committed no "Running Man" crime that night by hurrying through his neighborhood to get home and out of the rain) was on the porch at his own home before the confrontation with Zimmerman. There are no witnesses that Zimmerman was aggressively struck first in the scenario -- just his word. That someone claimed it appeared to them that Zimmerman was being beaten while pinned to the ground doesn't mean they might not be mistaken or lying. Zimmerman's clothing did not look in film footage like he'd been on the wet ground, he requested help to restrain someone who most likely wouldn't even have been moving at that point and he tried to stop that person who had arrived with a flashlight from calling the police for help. That Zimmerman was reportedly in charge of patrolling the area for months and didn't know the names of the streets indicates he may have been motivated more by vigilantism than his safety duties. I think a good case could be made, though, for open carry instead of concealed carry by Neighborhood Watch patrols because that might prevent others being similarly shot by surprise during what was seemingly to them an unarmed fight with a probable stalker.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-06   7:30:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: GreyLmist (#2)

was on the porch at his own home before the confrontation with Zimmerman

I think a good case could be made, though, for open carry instead of concealed carry by Neighborhood Watch patrols because that might prevent others being similarly shot by surprise

If he was on his own porch why the hell didn't he just go inside? Why do you make excuses for his running off the porch to confront and assault Zimmerman if this is what you believe to be true?

Yes, open carry may have prevented Trayvon from assaulting an armed man. Yes, Trayvon would not have then been surprised to find he assaulted an armed man.

abraxas  posted on  2013-08-08   10:56:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: abraxas (#72) (Edited)

If he was on his own porch why the hell didn't he just go inside? Why do you make excuses for his running off the porch to confront and assault Zimmerman if this is what you believe to be true?

Yes, open carry may have prevented Trayvon from assaulting an armed man. Yes, Trayvon would not have then been surprised to find he assaulted an armed man.

His father wasn't there at the time. Maybe he was trying to act like a protector of the home by keeping a lookout in case Zimmerman was a dangerous stalker.

What excuses? It's just a fact that he committed no crime that night to be pursued. There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assaulted by Martin.

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-08   14:50:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: GreyLmist (#89)

It's just a fact that he committed no crime that night to be pursued.

And you could also say that Zimmerman committed no crime that night in surveilling Martin, which is what Zimmerman contends he was doing and which BTW he had every right to do.

There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assulted by Martin.

That statement is patently and demonstrably false. The evidence presented at trial that Zimmerman assaulted by Martin is in great degree responsible for Zimmerman's acquittal.

Lord, I don't know why you try so hard, GreyLmist, but you do make some folks here do their homework. The more homework they do, the worse it looks for Martin's actions and reputation.

randge  posted on  2013-08-08   15:07:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: randge, All (#92)

Me: There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assulted by Martin.

randge: That statement is patently and demonstrably false. The evidence presented at trial that Zimmerman assaulted by Martin is in great degree responsible for Zimmerman's acquittal.

Lord, I don't know why you try so hard, GreyLmist, but you do make some folks here do their homework. The more homework they do, the worse it looks for Martin's actions and reputation.

People claiming to have seen a fight in process with Trayvon hitting Zimmerman at the time is not the same thing as evidence that the fight was started by Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. I think people haven't done enough homework if we can't at least agree about that much without a ruckus. So, here's a study-link to my TM-GZ Evidence Archive, currently for Grades Posts 1-12. :) Btw, The Martin Family and Associates didn't get a free pass from me either there.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-08   17:36:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: GreyLmist (#103)

People claiming to have seen a fight in process with Trayvon hitting Zimmerman at the time is not the same thing as evidence that the fight was started by Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman.

Saint Skittles had a track-record of physical violence, George Zimmerman has a track-record of helping people and NO record of physical violence.

X-15  posted on  2013-08-08   17:41:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: X-15 (#106)

Z had a record of being arrested for assaulting a police officer. He also had a restraining order issued against him after being accused of domestic violence by his fiancee.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-08-08   17:51:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: strepsiptera (#109)

Z had a record of being arrested for assaulting a police officer. He also had a restraining order issued against him after being accused of domestic violence by his fiancee.

Sorry, but "being arrested" and "being accused" does not = being found guilty as charged/as accused.

Please provide the url links to the legal decisions that determined Zimmerman was guilty as charged/as accused.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-08   18:08:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: scrapper2 (#112)

Please provide the url links to the legal decisions that determined Zimmerman was guilty as charged/as accused.

I will do that when you provide links to the legal decisions convicting Trayvon of ANYof the numerous crimes you and others accuse him of. When was Trayvon ever convicted of anything??

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-08-08   19:38:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#119. To: strepsiptera (#117)

Please provide the url links to the legal decisions that determined Zimmerman was guilty as charged/as accused.

I will do that when you provide links to the legal decisions convicting Trayvon of ANY of the numerous crimes you and others accuse him of. When was Trayvon ever convicted of anything??

“I was arrested in July of 2005 for assault on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence. Both charges were immediately dropped to resisting arrest without violence, and then dropped all together.

“I was in an altercation with an undercover officer that was taking part in an ATF sting for underage drinking in UCF. He never told me he was an officer and assaulted me first. Shortly after that, in September 2005, the same unit was conducting a sting at UCF and an officer was killed by an OPD officer because he discharged his weapon and did not identify himself.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-08-08 19:50:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: strepsiptera (#117)

I will do that when you provide links to the legal decisions convicting Trayvon of ANYof the numerous crimes you and others accuse him of. When was Trayvon ever convicted of anything??

I haven't accused Trayvon of numerous crimes.

It was you who accused Zimmerman of 2 crimes.

Zimmerman is an adult.

If he were found guilty of the 2 criminal charges/accusations you mentioned, it would be public record. You'd be able to find these records.

Please stay on point, Bug.

Psssst - just trying to help you out...

If you get shot down, your fall back position is:

"When you have a father who is a retired judge and possibly giving you advice to plead the fifth in court, as well as pull some strings for you, then you're home free."

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-09 03:56:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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