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Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin
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Published: Aug 6, 2013
Author: Glenda Wells
Post Date: 2013-08-06 00:10:23 by James Deffenbach
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Ms Fulton, Mr Martin I mourn your loss more than I can possibly say but let's be clear. Your son had as much opportunity to walk away as Mr Zimmerman did but chose instead to be aggressive himself. Just as a reminder, Mr Zimmerman did not use Stand Your Ground as a defense. The facts are indisputable that your son was on top and pounding Mr Zimmerman. Your son was not stalked. Mr Zimmerman was judged in a court of law to be not guilty therefore no punishment is warranted. Your son was depicted by the media as a young boy and portrayed as an innocent but let's be honest. We know that was not a true picture. Instead we learned you're son was a drug dealer and petty thief. Where were you when he should have been learning respect? Where were you when he needed the kind of guidance that would make him a good and decent man? Your efforts now seem like the desperate reach of parents trying to make up for in death what they failed in life. To think otherwise would paint you as a crass and heartless people looking for personal gain on the grave of a soul lost too soon. I am the Florida state coordinator for Gun Rights Across America. I represent more than 2,000 law abiding citizens who believe in our God-given right to defend ourselves, our families and our property against the kind of aggression displayed by your son that awful night and by countless thugs and criminals across the nation every day. GRAA has the support of thousands of members in every state and we have the backing of millions more in hundreds of Patriot and Constitutional groups around the country. We will fight any effort designed to give thugs and criminals power over law abiding citizens. We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide. We are many. We are mighty. And we vote. Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness. Glenda Wells
Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator
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#99. To: abraxas (#96)
We are many. We are mighty. And we vote. Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness. Glenda Wells Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator "We have no duty to retreat" is an explicit reference to stand your ground. Stand your ground eliminates duty to retreat and extends the castle defense to wherever you may happen to be on the planet. You pretty much stated in your own post that you think that Trayvon had a duty to retreat. That can be a legitimate argument but it is a rejection of stand your ground. If stand your ground is irrelevant, then why is Glenda Wells bringing it up in her open letter to Trayvon's parents?
The photo you are talking about was one year out of date, which would make him 16, not 12.
In that interview, Rachel Jeantel says that she thinks Trayvon threw a punch in response to Z grabbing him. If Jeantel's theory were correct, that would still make Z guilty of assault and Trayvon's punch would be thrown in self defense.
GreyLmist is the only person I know that connected the word accidental to the shooting. No proof has been offered because none exists.
randge: That statement is patently and demonstrably false. The evidence presented at trial that Zimmerman assaulted by Martin is in great degree responsible for Zimmerman's acquittal. Lord, I don't know why you try so hard, GreyLmist, but you do make some folks here do their homework. The more homework they do, the worse it looks for Martin's actions and reputation. People claiming to have seen a fight in process with Trayvon hitting Zimmerman at the time is not the same thing as evidence that the fight was started by Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. I think people haven't done enough homework if we can't at least agree about that much without a ruckus. So, here's a study-link to my TM-GZ Evidence Archive, currently for ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Absurd and inadmissible in any court of law. What Rachel Jeantel *thinks* is of no consequence and has no traction beyond giving Nancy Grace another orgasm when she shrieks "Breaking Development!!". We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide.
#100. To: scrapper2 (#98)
#101. To: scrapper2 (#46)
#102. To: scrapper2, GreyLmist (#98)
#103. To: randge, All (#92)
Me: There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assulted by Martin.
Grades Posts 1-12. :) Btw, The Martin Family and Associates didn't get a free pass from me either there.
#104. To: strepsiptera (#101)
Rachel Jeantel says that *she thinks* Trayvon threw a punch in response to Z grabbing him. If *Jeantel's theory* were correct
-Alex Kurtagic
#105. To: strepsiptera, 4 (#101)
Let's take your unsupported example as true. Z instigates the fight. TM gets to use necessary force to stop the assault. According to John Good, a neighbor who witnessed the assault from 20' away, and Zimmerman, TM pinned Zimmerman on the ground and pummeled him MMA style, while causing his head to repeatedly strike the cement walkway. This removes TMs actions from the realm of self-defense into deadly physical force, a force which can be terminated by equal force. If Jeantel's theory were correct, that would still make Z guilty of assault and Trayvon's punch would be thrown in self defense.
#106. To: GreyLmist (#103)
Saint Skittles had a track-record of physical violence, George Zimmerman has a track-record of helping people and NO record of physical violence. People claiming to have seen a fight in process with Trayvon hitting Zimmerman at the time is not the same thing as evidence that the fight was started by Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman.
-Alex Kurtagic
#107. To: X-15 (#104)
Then any speculation on her part that Trayvon threw the first punch is equally inadmissable. She is only a witness to what she heard on the phone; nothing more.
#108. To: strepsiptera (#107)
But of course, she wasn't there and only heard some noise on a cell-phone. Her total involvement in George Zimmerman's trial was a farce, at most she was only a character-witness for Crayon's budding 'thug-fo-lyfe' lifestyle.
-Alex Kurtagic
#109. To: X-15 (#106)
Z had a record of being arrested for assaulting a police officer. He also had a restraining order issued against him after being accused of domestic violence by his fiancee.
#110. To: strepsiptera (#109)
By golly you're right, that slipped my mind. I stand corrected.
-Alex Kurtagic
#111. To: strepsiptera (#100)
Reading comprehension issues? Here's what I stated: "while Trayvon's photos showed a young 12 year old looking little "kid."" I did not say it was a photo of Trayvon at age 12. The photo you are talking about was one year out of date, which would make him 16, not 12.
#112. To: strepsiptera (#109)
Sorry, but "being arrested" and "being accused" does not = being found guilty as charged/as accused. Please provide the url links to the legal decisions that determined Zimmerman was guilty as charged/as accused. Z had a record of being arrested for assaulting a police officer. He also had a restraining order issued against him after being accused of domestic violence by his fiancee.
#113. To: strepsiptera (#109) (Edited)
BS. If he were arrested for assaulting a police officer he never would have been a gun owner or issued a carry permit. Z was in a bar with a friend and some alcohol enforcement officer snatched said friend w/o showing ID and dragged him outside. Z got between them (the kid was summonsed for under age) and the faux "police officer" did what all know to be true; he arrested Z for obstruction. The charge was tossed at the earliest opportunity. So much for your assault on a PO. And double BS on the domestic violence. He and his g/f took out dueling orders of protection on each other before they broke up. Congratulations, your continued ignorance regarding this matter remains intact. Z had a record of being arrested for assaulting a police officer. He also had a restraining order issued against him after being accused of domestic violence by his fiancee.
#114. To: strepsiptera (#99)
I didn't say anything about duty. An iota of good sense would have kept the angelic youth in his home. Sadly, the angelic youth opted not to go home but rather to find the "creepy ass cracka" and pull out his big can of whoop ass on him. This is substantiated by star witness Jeantel. Assault can get you killed, especially when you opt to assault an armed "creepy ass cracka" and assault is a reason to protect yourself without invoking the Stand Your Ground defense.....which is what happened in this case. You pretty much stated in your own post that you think that Trayvon had a duty to retreat.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#115. To: strepsiptera (#99)
Because Trayvon's parents are on the Al Sharpton crazy bus to abolish Stand Your Ground even though Stand Your Ground had NOTHING to do with this case. If stand your ground is irrelevant, then why is Glenda Wells bringing it up in her open letter to Trayvon's parents?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#116. To: strepsiptera (#99)
If stand your ground is irrelevant, then why is Glenda Wells bringing it up in her open letter to Trayvon's parents?
#117. To: scrapper2 (#112)
I will do that when you provide links to the legal decisions convicting Trayvon of ANYof the numerous crimes you and others accuse him of. When was Trayvon ever convicted of anything?? Please provide the url links to the legal decisions that determined Zimmerman was guilty as charged/as accused.
#118. To: Jethro Tull (#116)
How's that gun ban working out in Chicago Rahm? How many sitting ducks died last week end in the cross fire?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#119. To: strepsiptera (#117)
I will do that when you provide links to the legal decisions convicting Trayvon of ANY of the numerous crimes you and others accuse him of. When was Trayvon ever convicted of anything?? Please provide the url links to the legal decisions that determined Zimmerman was guilty as charged/as accused.
#120. To: abraxas (#118)
Ping to #119, A...
#121. To: scrapper2, purplerose (#91)
The grasping at straws (aka the hail Mary pass) rebuttal when losing a debate. That's how it looks. I don't get it with people coming to the defense of Saint Skittles, given the fact that he assaulted someone apparently because he was white (or Hispanic) and most likely would have killed him if Zimmerman had not been armed. Oy Vey.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#122. To: All (#120)
So, Tracy Martin, upon learning Trayvon is missing, first calls the juvenile detention center, then the sheriff's office and finally the Sanford PD. I find the pecking order of his calls very interesting.... Tracy Martin's phone call to non-emergency the day AFTER Trayvon went missing. Tracy had Brandy call the juvenile detention center where she is employed to ask if Trayvon had been picked up. He then called the Sheriff's office non-emergency to ask if they had picked Trayvon up. He finally calls SPD to file a missing persons report.www.re-newsit.com/2012/08...ls-to-report-trayvon.html
#123. To: abraxas (#96)
Why do you keep harping about Stand Your Ground when it isn't even pertinent to this case? When Stand Your Ground isn't relevant to the case, your point is MOOT!
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#124. To: X-15 (#104)
LOL! It would be a "breaking development" if Rachel Jeantel or Nancy Grace actually had a thought. As my friend Twodees used to say, "One of my thoughts would bust their heads wide open!" Absurd and inadmissible in any court of law. What Rachel Jeantel *thinks* is of no consequence and has no traction beyond giving Nancy Grace another orgasm when she shrieks "Breaking Development!!".
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#125. To: abraxas, scrapper2, James Deffenbach, X-15 (#122)
ping to #122
#126. To: Jethro Tull (#125)
What is it with all these people defending Saint Skittles? Hell, there is no telling how many people's lives George Zimmerman saved when he killed that wannabe thug. Maybe even some of those who are so vociferously defending Saint Skittles.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#127. To: Jethro Tull (#125) (Edited)
Lolololol!!!!! Mother already knew the score with her satanic offspring...... So, Tracy Martin, upon learning Trayvon is missing, first calls the juvenile detention center
-Alex Kurtagic
#128. To: X-15 (#127)
A lot better than all these people who are dead set on defending the little thug. Lolololol!!!!! Mother already knew the score with her satanic offspring......
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#129. To: James Deffenbach (#123)
Lol........I'm not the Jackass whisperer? : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#130. To: abraxas (#129)
Nope. And at some point, even though your intentions are good, you have to decide that there is just no help for some folks. They will argue that up is down and black is white all day long and there is no getting through to them.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#131. To: abraxas (#129)
Sometimes she's the Smartass Whisperer ;-)
-Alex Kurtagic
#132. To: GreyLmist (#103)
It doesn't matter who started the fight. There is ample evidence that however the tussle developed at some point Martin put Zimmerman in fear of great bodily harm or death. How did Zimmerman get that dislocated nose and all those cuts on the back of his head? You've got to bang someone's head pretty hard to get those kind of cuts contusions. Do you think Zimmerman did it to himself? No one else was observed in the area at the time. It's apparent that Martin was assaulting Zimmerman in a serious way. It's at that point that self-defense kicks in.
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#133. To: randge (#132) (Edited)
It most certainly does and especially so when one who actually started the fight did so on foot with a gun! Now, had Trayvon been armed chances are he could have saved his own life. Believe me, were some punk following me on foot with a gun, I'd go crazy on their ass. And I mean it! No fucking joke here at all. It doesn't matter who started the fight.
#134. To: purplerose (#133)
a. Jeantel - after the trial decision - said she believed Trayvon started the fight. b.Trayvon didn't know Zimmerman was armed. There is no evidence that suggests Trayvon had any knowledge of Zimmerman being armed before the shooting took place. Conceal and carry must be a familiar phrase to lawyers, as you insinuate, you are. Or are you the physician persona? I forget. There has been a few faux "professionals" passing thru 4um while Obama/Holder/Big Sis have been at the helm of Titanic America. c. I thought you were the get-along gal who posted a few messages up. "I'd go crazy on their ass" doesn't sound very peace seeking, "I'm ok you're ok" per the persona you presented in message #83: snip "I've lived in Los Angeles for 22 years and I have lived with Iranians/Iraqs, Israelians, Lebanese, Syrians, Asians, Blacks and Mexicans. I learned how to live peacefully with them all. This thing about "Not his neighborhood, he was visiting" is a misnomer of speech. " d. God I hope you're not a gooobment DHS/FBI/facsimile dept "I have no skills or talent so I applied & got hired for a gov't job" plant. Because if so, my taxpayer $ is being seriously mis-spent. It most certainly does and especially so when one who actually started the fight did so on foot with a gun! Now, had Trayvon been armed chances are he could have saved his own life. Believe me, were some punk following me on foot with a gun, I'd go crazy on their ass. And I mean it! No fucking joke here at all.
#135. To: strepsiptera (#117)
I haven't accused Trayvon of numerous crimes. It was you who accused Zimmerman of 2 crimes. Zimmerman is an adult. If he were found guilty of the 2 criminal charges/accusations you mentioned, it would be public record. You'd be able to find these records. Please stay on point, Bug. Psssst - just trying to help you out... If you get shot down, your fall back position is: "When you have a father who is a retired judge and possibly giving you advice to plead the fifth in court, as well as pull some strings for you, then you're home free." I will do that when you provide links to the legal decisions convicting Trayvon of ANYof the numerous crimes you and others accuse him of. When was Trayvon ever convicted of anything??
#136. To: purplerose (#133)
It most certainly does It most certainly does as a civil matter I think. If A and B get into a tussle that A started and there are damages and claims and counterclaims, A might be held more responsible than B. If B escalates the situation however, and presents A with deadly force, A is still within his or her right to self-defense and to respond in kind, notwithstanding how the fight got started. It doesn't matter who started the fight.
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#137. To: Jethro Tull (#122)
You are actually proviing my point. How is any of that a conviction? Whare is the court action? Why do you have one standard for accusing Trayvon of things and another for Zimmerman?
#138. To: scrapper2 (#135)
Trayvon has been called a gangster, a thug, a wannabe thug, a criminal, a drug addict, and everything else under the sun on every one of these threads. Where are the legal convictions? Why is throwing shit against a wall to see what sticks O.K. in the case of defaming Martin, but only a conviction is acceptable when it comes to Z?
#139. To: James Deffenbach, scrapper2 (#126)
This is exactlty what I am talking about in my post to scrapper 2 There is no such crime as wanting to be a thug. We don't have a department of precrime. Either he is a thug or he isn't. Show me the convictions. Hell, there is no telling how many people's lives George Zimmerman saved when he killed that wannabe thug.
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