4um: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin

Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin
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Published: Aug 6, 2013
Author: Glenda Wells
Post Date: 2013-08-06 00:10:23 by James Deffenbach
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Views: 1935
Comments: 237

Ms Fulton, Mr Martin I mourn your loss more than I can possibly say but let's be clear. Your son had as much opportunity to walk away as Mr Zimmerman did but chose instead to be aggressive himself.

Just as a reminder, Mr Zimmerman did not use Stand Your Ground as a defense. The facts are indisputable that your son was on top and pounding Mr Zimmerman. Your son was not stalked. Mr Zimmerman was judged in a court of law to be not guilty therefore no punishment is warranted.

Your son was depicted by the media as a young boy and portrayed as an innocent but let's be honest. We know that was not a true picture. Instead we learned you're son was a drug dealer and petty thief. Where were you when he should have been learning respect? Where were you when he needed the kind of guidance that would make him a good and decent man?

Your efforts now seem like the desperate reach of parents trying to make up for in death what they failed in life. To think otherwise would paint you as a crass and heartless people looking for personal gain on the grave of a soul lost too soon.

I am the Florida state coordinator for Gun Rights Across America. I represent more than 2,000 law abiding citizens who believe in our God-given right to defend ourselves, our families and our property against the kind of aggression displayed by your son that awful night and by countless thugs and criminals across the nation every day.

GRAA has the support of thousands of members in every state and we have the backing of millions more in hundreds of Patriot and Constitutional groups around the country. We will fight any effort designed to give thugs and criminals power over law abiding citizens.

People claiming to have seen a fight in process with Trayvon hitting Zimmerman at the time is not the same thing as evidence that the fight was started by Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. I think people haven't done enough homework if we can't at least agree about that much without a ruckus. So, here's a study-link to my TM-GZ Evidence Archive, currently for ~~Grades~~ Posts 1-12. :) Btw, The Martin Family and Associates didn't get a free pass from me either there.

"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

Absurd and inadmissible in any court of law. What Rachel Jeantel *thinks* is of no consequence and has no traction beyond giving Nancy Grace another orgasm when she shrieks "Breaking Development!!".

Let's take your unsupported example as true. Z instigates the fight. TM gets to use necessary force to stop the assault. According to John Good, a neighbor who witnessed the assault from 20' away, and Zimmerman, TM pinned Zimmerman on the ground and pummeled him MMA style, while causing his head to repeatedly strike the cement walkway. This removes TMs actions from the realm of self-defense into deadly physical force, a force which can be terminated by equal force.

Saint Skittles had a track-record of physical violence, George Zimmerman has a track-record of helping people and NO record of physical violence.

Then any speculation on her part that Trayvon threw the first punch is equally inadmissable.

But of course, she wasn't there and only heard some noise on a cell-phone. Her total involvement in George Zimmerman's trial was a farce, at most she was only a character-witness for Crayon's budding 'thug-fo-lyfe' lifestyle.

Z had a record of being arrested for assaulting a police officer. He also had a restraining order issued against him after being accused of domestic violence by his fiancee.

Here's what I stated: "while Trayvon's photos showed a young 12 year old looking little "kid.""

Sorry, but "being arrested" and "being accused" does not = being found guilty as charged/as accused.

Please provide the url links to the legal decisions that determined Zimmerman was guilty as charged/as accused.

BS. If he were arrested for assaulting a police officer he never would have been a gun owner or issued a carry permit.

Z was in a bar with a friend and some alcohol enforcement officer snatched said friend w/o showing ID and dragged him outside. Z got between them (the kid was summonsed for under age) and the faux "police officer" did what all know to be true; he arrested Z for obstruction. The charge was tossed at the earliest opportunity. So much for your assault on a PO.

And double BS on the domestic violence. He and his g/f took out dueling orders of protection on each other before they broke up.

I didn't say anything about duty. An iota of good sense would have kept the angelic youth in his home. Sadly, the angelic youth opted not to go home but rather to find the "creepy ass cracka" and pull out his big can of whoop ass on him. This is substantiated by star witness Jeantel.

Assault can get you killed, especially when you opt to assault an armed "creepy ass cracka" and assault is a reason to protect yourself without invoking the Stand Your Ground defense.....which is what happened in this case.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

Because Trayvon's parents are on the Al Sharpton crazy bus to abolish Stand Your Ground even though Stand Your Ground had NOTHING to do with this case.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

I will do that when you provide links to the legal decisions convicting Trayvon of ANYof the numerous crimes you and others accuse him of. When was Trayvon ever convicted of anything??

How's that gun ban working out in Chicago Rahm? How many sitting ducks died last week end in the cross fire?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

That's how it looks. I don't get it with people coming to the defense of Saint Skittles, given the fact that he assaulted someone apparently because he was white (or Hispanic) and most likely would have killed him if Zimmerman had not been armed.

So, Tracy Martin, upon learning Trayvon is missing, first calls the juvenile detention center, then the sheriff's office and finally the Sanford PD. I find the pecking order of his calls very interesting....

Tracy Martin's phone call to non-emergency the day AFTER Trayvon went missing. Tracy had Brandy call the juvenile detention center where she is employed to ask if Trayvon had been picked up. He then called the Sheriff's office non-emergency to ask if they had picked Trayvon up. He finally calls SPD to file a missing persons report.

LOL! It would be a "breaking development" if Rachel Jeantel or Nancy Grace actually had a thought. As my friend Twodees used to say, "One of my thoughts would bust their heads wide open!"

What is it with all these people defending Saint Skittles? Hell, there is no telling how many people's lives George Zimmerman saved when he killed that wannabe thug. Maybe even some of those who are so vociferously defending Saint Skittles.

A lot better than all these people who are dead set on defending the little thug.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

Nope. And at some point, even though your intentions are good, you have to decide that there is just no help for some folks. They will argue that up is down and black is white all day long and there is no getting through to them.

There is ample evidence that however the tussle developed at some point Martin put Zimmerman in fear of great bodily harm or death.

How did Zimmerman get that dislocated nose and all those cuts on the back of his head? You've got to bang someone's head pretty hard to get those kind of cuts contusions. Do you think Zimmerman did it to himself? No one else was observed in the area at the time. It's apparent that Martin was assaulting Zimmerman in a serious way.

It most certainly does and especially so when one who actually started the fight did so on foot with a gun! Now, had Trayvon been armed chances are he could have saved his own life. Believe me, were some punk following me on foot with a gun, I'd go crazy on their ass. And I mean it! No fucking joke here at all.

a. Jeantel - after the trial decision - said she believed Trayvon started the fight.

b.Trayvon didn't know Zimmerman was armed. There is no evidence that suggests Trayvon had any knowledge of Zimmerman being armed before the shooting took place.

Conceal and carry must be a familiar phrase to lawyers, as you insinuate, you are.

Or are you the physician persona? I forget. There has been a few faux "professionals" passing thru 4um while Obama/Holder/Big Sis have been at the helm of Titanic America.

c. I thought you were the get-along gal who posted a few messages up. "I'd go crazy on their ass" doesn't sound very peace seeking, "I'm ok you're ok" per the persona you presented in message #83:

"I've lived in Los Angeles for 22 years and I have lived with Iranians/Iraqs, Israelians, Lebanese, Syrians, Asians, Blacks and Mexicans. I learned how to live peacefully with them all. This thing about "Not his neighborhood, he was visiting" is a misnomer of speech. "

d. God I hope you're not a gooobment DHS/FBI/facsimile dept "I have no skills or talent so I applied & got hired for a gov't job" plant. Because if so, my taxpayer $ is being seriously mis-spent.

If he were found guilty of the 2 criminal charges/accusations you mentioned, it would be public record. You'd be able to find these records.

"When you have a father who is a retired judge and possibly giving you advice to plead the fifth in court, as well as pull some strings for you, then you're home free."

If A and B get into a tussle that A started and there are damages and claims and counterclaims, A might be held more responsible than B.

If B escalates the situation however, and presents A with deadly force, A is still within his or her right to self-defense and to respond in kind, notwithstanding how the fight got started.

You are actually proviing my point. How is any of that a conviction? Whare is the court action? Why do you have one standard for accusing Trayvon of things and another for Zimmerman?

Trayvon has been called a gangster, a thug, a wannabe thug, a criminal, a drug addict, and everything else under the sun on every one of these threads.

Why is throwing shit against a wall to see what sticks O.K. in the case of defaming Martin, but only a conviction is acceptable when it comes to Z?

There is no such crime as wanting to be a thug. We don't have a department of precrime.

What does any of your comment have to do with why Tracy Martin's first call (his g/f called at his request) regarding his missing son was placed to the local juvenile detention center? To the rational, his call shows the first place he thought of when TM was missing x 13 hours.

How a Miami School Crime Cover-Up Policy Led to Trayvon Martin’s Death

The February 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martion

might never have happened if school officials in Miami-Dade County

had not instituted an unofficial policy of treating crimes as

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Revelations that emerged from an internal affairs investigation

explain why Martin was not arrested when caught at school with

stolen jewelry in October 2011 or with marijuana in February 2012.

Instead, the teenager was suspended from school, the last time just

days before he was shot dead by George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando

where he was shot in 2012 and where a jury acquitted Zimmerman of

murder charges Saturday. Martin was from Miami Gardens, more than

200 miles away, and had come to Sanford to stay with his father’s

girlfriend Brandy Green at her home in the townhouse community

where Zimmerman was in charge of the neighborhood watch. Trayvon

was staying with Green after he had been suspended for the second

time in six months from Krop High School in Miami-Dade County,

where both his father, Tracy Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton,

lived.

Both of Trayvon’s suspensions during his junior year at Krop

High involved crimes that could have led to his prosecution as a

juvenile offender. However, Chief Charles Hurley of the Miami-Dade

School Police Department (MDSPD) in 2010 had implemented a policy

that reduced the number of criiminal reports, manipulating

statistics to create the appearance of a reduction in crime within

the school system. Less than two weeks before Martin’s death, the

school system "http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious- case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/">

commended Chief Hurley for “decreasing school-related juvenile

delinquency by an impressive 60 percent for the last six months of

2011.” What was actually happening was that crimes were not

being reported as crimes, but instead treated as disciplinary

infractions.

In October 2011, after a video surveillance camera caught Martin

writing graffiti on a door, MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched

Martin’s backpack, looking for the marker he had used. Officer Dunn

found 12 pieces of women’s jewelry and a man’s watch, along with a

flathead screwdriver the officer described as a “burglary tool.”

The jewelry and watch, which Martin claimed he had gotten from a

friend he refused to name, matched a description of items stolen

during the October 2011 burglary of a house on 204th Terrace, about

a half-mile from the school. However, because of Chief Hurley’s

policy “to lower the arrest rates,” as one MDSPD sergeant said in

an internal investigation, the stolen jewerly was instead listed as

“found property” and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who

were investigating the burglary. Similarly, in February 2012 when

an MDSPD officer caught Martin with a small plastic bag containing

marijuana residue, as well as a marijuana pipe, this was not

treated as a crime, and instead Martin was suspended from

school.

Either of those incidents could have put Trayvon Martin into the

custody of the juvenile justice system. However, because of Chief

Hurley’s attempt to reduce the school crime statistics — "http://www.scribd.com/doc/135564937/Sergeant-William-Tagle-Internal-Affairs- Investigative-Report">

according to sworn testimony, officers were “basically told to

lie and falsify” reports — Martin was never arrested. And if he

had been arrested, he might never have been in Sanford the night of

his fatal encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was patrolling the townhouse

community the night of the February 2012 shooting was that "http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman- idUSBRE83O18H20120425">

there had been a rash of burglaries in the neighborhood,

although there was no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved

in any of those crimes.

As for Chief Hurley’s policy, it was the controversy over

Martin’s death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the

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Miami Herald "http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at- trayvon.html">

reported on Martin’s troubled history of disciplinary incidents at

Krop High. Chief Hurley then launched the internal affairs

investigation in an attempt to find out who had provided

information to the reporter. During the course of that

investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors described Chief

Hurley’s policy of not reporting crimes by students. Chief Hurley

was subsequently accused of sexually harassing two female

subordinates. He "http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/06/3270822/former-miami-dade-schools- police.html">

resigned in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin’s

death.

You are correct. What you refuse to accept is that the only crime relevant to this case is assault, not prior action by Trayvon or by Zimmerman. The evidence in this case substantiates an assault on Zimmerman by Martin which warranted self defense with a firearm. Hence, an acquittal of Zimmerman regarding the death of Trayvon Martin.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11