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Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin
Source: [None]
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Published: Aug 6, 2013
Author: Glenda Wells
Post Date: 2013-08-06 00:10:23 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 3513
Comments: 237

Ms Fulton, Mr Martin I mourn your loss more than I can possibly say but let's be clear. Your son had as much opportunity to walk away as Mr Zimmerman did but chose instead to be aggressive himself.

Just as a reminder, Mr Zimmerman did not use Stand Your Ground as a defense. The facts are indisputable that your son was on top and pounding Mr Zimmerman. Your son was not stalked. Mr Zimmerman was judged in a court of law to be not guilty therefore no punishment is warranted.

Your son was depicted by the media as a young boy and portrayed as an innocent but let's be honest. We know that was not a true picture. Instead we learned you're son was a drug dealer and petty thief. Where were you when he should have been learning respect? Where were you when he needed the kind of guidance that would make him a good and decent man?

Your efforts now seem like the desperate reach of parents trying to make up for in death what they failed in life. To think otherwise would paint you as a crass and heartless people looking for personal gain on the grave of a soul lost too soon.

I am the Florida state coordinator for Gun Rights Across America. I represent more than 2,000 law abiding citizens who believe in our God-given right to defend ourselves, our families and our property against the kind of aggression displayed by your son that awful night and by countless thugs and criminals across the nation every day.

GRAA has the support of thousands of members in every state and we have the backing of millions more in hundreds of Patriot and Constitutional groups around the country. We will fight any effort designed to give thugs and criminals power over law abiding citizens.

We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide.

We are many. We are mighty. And we vote.

Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness.

Glenda Wells
Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator

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#2. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#0)

let's be honest.

This author is not being honest, imo. Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict, what's considered the reported evidence indicates that Martin (who had committed no "Running Man" crime that night by hurrying through his neighborhood to get home and out of the rain) was on the porch at his own home before the confrontation with Zimmerman. There are no witnesses that Zimmerman was aggressively struck first in the scenario -- just his word. That someone claimed it appeared to them that Zimmerman was being beaten while pinned to the ground doesn't mean they might not be mistaken or lying. Zimmerman's clothing did not look in film footage like he'd been on the wet ground, he requested help to restrain someone who most likely wouldn't even have been moving at that point and he tried to stop that person who had arrived with a flashlight from calling the police for help. That Zimmerman was reportedly in charge of patrolling the area for months and didn't know the names of the streets indicates he may have been motivated more by vigilantism than his safety duties. I think a good case could be made, though, for open carry instead of concealed carry by Neighborhood Watch patrols because that might prevent others being similarly shot by surprise during what was seemingly to them an unarmed fight with a probable stalker.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-06   7:30:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: GreyLmist (#2)

was on the porch at his own home before the confrontation with Zimmerman

I think a good case could be made, though, for open carry instead of concealed carry by Neighborhood Watch patrols because that might prevent others being similarly shot by surprise

If he was on his own porch why the hell didn't he just go inside? Why do you make excuses for his running off the porch to confront and assault Zimmerman if this is what you believe to be true?

Yes, open carry may have prevented Trayvon from assaulting an armed man. Yes, Trayvon would not have then been surprised to find he assaulted an armed man.

abraxas  posted on  2013-08-08   10:56:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: abraxas (#72) (Edited)

If he was on his own porch why the hell didn't he just go inside? Why do you make excuses for his running off the porch to confront and assault Zimmerman if this is what you believe to be true?

Yes, open carry may have prevented Trayvon from assaulting an armed man. Yes, Trayvon would not have then been surprised to find he assaulted an armed man.

His father wasn't there at the time. Maybe he was trying to act like a protector of the home by keeping a lookout in case Zimmerman was a dangerous stalker.

What excuses? It's just a fact that he committed no crime that night to be pursued. There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assaulted by Martin.

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-08   14:50:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: GreyLmist (#89)

It's just a fact that he committed no crime that night to be pursued.

And you could also say that Zimmerman committed no crime that night in surveilling Martin, which is what Zimmerman contends he was doing and which BTW he had every right to do.

There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assulted by Martin.

That statement is patently and demonstrably false. The evidence presented at trial that Zimmerman assaulted by Martin is in great degree responsible for Zimmerman's acquittal.

Lord, I don't know why you try so hard, GreyLmist, but you do make some folks here do their homework. The more homework they do, the worse it looks for Martin's actions and reputation.

randge  posted on  2013-08-08   15:07:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: randge, All (#92)

Me: There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assulted by Martin.

randge: That statement is patently and demonstrably false. The evidence presented at trial that Zimmerman assaulted by Martin is in great degree responsible for Zimmerman's acquittal.

Lord, I don't know why you try so hard, GreyLmist, but you do make some folks here do their homework. The more homework they do, the worse it looks for Martin's actions and reputation.

People claiming to have seen a fight in process with Trayvon hitting Zimmerman at the time is not the same thing as evidence that the fight was started by Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. I think people haven't done enough homework if we can't at least agree about that much without a ruckus. So, here's a study-link to my TM-GZ Evidence Archive, currently for Grades Posts 1-12. :) Btw, The Martin Family and Associates didn't get a free pass from me either there.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-08   17:36:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: GreyLmist (#103)

It doesn't matter who started the fight.

There is ample evidence that however the tussle developed at some point Martin put Zimmerman in fear of great bodily harm or death.

How did Zimmerman get that dislocated nose and all those cuts on the back of his head? You've got to bang someone's head pretty hard to get those kind of cuts contusions. Do you think Zimmerman did it to himself? No one else was observed in the area at the time. It's apparent that Martin was assaulting Zimmerman in a serious way.

It's at that point that self-defense kicks in.

randge  posted on  2013-08-08   23:53:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: randge (#132) (Edited)

It doesn't matter who started the fight.

It most certainly does and especially so when one who actually started the fight did so on foot with a gun! Now, had Trayvon been armed chances are he could have saved his own life. Believe me, were some punk following me on foot with a gun, I'd go crazy on their ass. And I mean it! No fucking joke here at all.

purplerose  posted on  2013-08-09   1:41:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#134. To: purplerose (#133)

It most certainly does and especially so when one who actually started the fight did so on foot with a gun! Now, had Trayvon been armed chances are he could have saved his own life. Believe me, were some punk following me on foot with a gun, I'd go crazy on their ass. And I mean it! No fucking joke here at all.

a. Jeantel - after the trial decision - said she believed Trayvon started the fight.

b.Trayvon didn't know Zimmerman was armed. There is no evidence that suggests Trayvon had any knowledge of Zimmerman being armed before the shooting took place.

Conceal and carry must be a familiar phrase to lawyers, as you insinuate, you are.

Or are you the physician persona? I forget. There has been a few faux "professionals" passing thru 4um while Obama/Holder/Big Sis have been at the helm of Titanic America.

c. I thought you were the get-along gal who posted a few messages up. "I'd go crazy on their ass" doesn't sound very peace seeking, "I'm ok you're ok" per the persona you presented in message #83:

snip

"I've lived in Los Angeles for 22 years and I have lived with Iranians/Iraqs, Israelians, Lebanese, Syrians, Asians, Blacks and Mexicans. I learned how to live peacefully with them all. This thing about "Not his neighborhood, he was visiting" is a misnomer of speech. "

d. God I hope you're not a gooobment DHS/FBI/facsimile dept "I have no skills or talent so I applied & got hired for a gov't job" plant. Because if so, my taxpayer $ is being seriously mis-spent.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-09 02:43:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: purplerose (#133)

It doesn't matter who started the fight.

It most certainly does

It most certainly does as a civil matter I think.

If A and B get into a tussle that A started and there are damages and claims and counterclaims, A might be held more responsible than B.

If B escalates the situation however, and presents A with deadly force, A is still within his or her right to self-defense and to respond in kind, notwithstanding how the fight got started.

randge  posted on  2013-08-09 07:57:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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