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Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin
Source: [None]
URL Source: [None]
Published: Aug 6, 2013
Author: Glenda Wells
Post Date: 2013-08-06 00:10:23 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 3582
Comments: 237

Ms Fulton, Mr Martin I mourn your loss more than I can possibly say but let's be clear. Your son had as much opportunity to walk away as Mr Zimmerman did but chose instead to be aggressive himself.

Just as a reminder, Mr Zimmerman did not use Stand Your Ground as a defense. The facts are indisputable that your son was on top and pounding Mr Zimmerman. Your son was not stalked. Mr Zimmerman was judged in a court of law to be not guilty therefore no punishment is warranted.

Your son was depicted by the media as a young boy and portrayed as an innocent but let's be honest. We know that was not a true picture. Instead we learned you're son was a drug dealer and petty thief. Where were you when he should have been learning respect? Where were you when he needed the kind of guidance that would make him a good and decent man?

Your efforts now seem like the desperate reach of parents trying to make up for in death what they failed in life. To think otherwise would paint you as a crass and heartless people looking for personal gain on the grave of a soul lost too soon.

I am the Florida state coordinator for Gun Rights Across America. I represent more than 2,000 law abiding citizens who believe in our God-given right to defend ourselves, our families and our property against the kind of aggression displayed by your son that awful night and by countless thugs and criminals across the nation every day.

GRAA has the support of thousands of members in every state and we have the backing of millions more in hundreds of Patriot and Constitutional groups around the country. We will fight any effort designed to give thugs and criminals power over law abiding citizens.

We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide.

We are many. We are mighty. And we vote.

Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness.

Glenda Wells
Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator

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#2. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#0)

let's be honest.

This author is not being honest, imo. Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict, what's considered the reported evidence indicates that Martin (who had committed no "Running Man" crime that night by hurrying through his neighborhood to get home and out of the rain) was on the porch at his own home before the confrontation with Zimmerman. There are no witnesses that Zimmerman was aggressively struck first in the scenario -- just his word. That someone claimed it appeared to them that Zimmerman was being beaten while pinned to the ground doesn't mean they might not be mistaken or lying. Zimmerman's clothing did not look in film footage like he'd been on the wet ground, he requested help to restrain someone who most likely wouldn't even have been moving at that point and he tried to stop that person who had arrived with a flashlight from calling the police for help. That Zimmerman was reportedly in charge of patrolling the area for months and didn't know the names of the streets indicates he may have been motivated more by vigilantism than his safety duties. I think a good case could be made, though, for open carry instead of concealed carry by Neighborhood Watch patrols because that might prevent others being similarly shot by surprise during what was seemingly to them an unarmed fight with a probable stalker.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-06   7:30:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: GreyLmist (#2)

was on the porch at his own home before the confrontation with Zimmerman

I think a good case could be made, though, for open carry instead of concealed carry by Neighborhood Watch patrols because that might prevent others being similarly shot by surprise

If he was on his own porch why the hell didn't he just go inside? Why do you make excuses for his running off the porch to confront and assault Zimmerman if this is what you believe to be true?

Yes, open carry may have prevented Trayvon from assaulting an armed man. Yes, Trayvon would not have then been surprised to find he assaulted an armed man.

abraxas  posted on  2013-08-08   10:56:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: abraxas (#72) (Edited)

If he was on his own porch why the hell didn't he just go inside? Why do you make excuses for his running off the porch to confront and assault Zimmerman if this is what you believe to be true?

Yes, open carry may have prevented Trayvon from assaulting an armed man. Yes, Trayvon would not have then been surprised to find he assaulted an armed man.

His father wasn't there at the time. Maybe he was trying to act like a protector of the home by keeping a lookout in case Zimmerman was a dangerous stalker.

What excuses? It's just a fact that he committed no crime that night to be pursued. There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assaulted by Martin.

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-08   14:50:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: GreyLmist (#89)

Maybe he was trying to act like a protector of the home by keeping a lookout in case Zimmerman was a dangerous stalker.

It's just a fact that he committed no crime that night to be pursued.

1) You protect the home IN THE HOME, not by running out and assaulting "creepy ass crackas" on the street.

2) There is no evidence to support the "stalking" charge, this is more emoting. Neighborhood watch folks watch the neighborhood, this is why they are referred to as neighborhood watch.

No, it isn't a fact as you claim. The evidence supports and substantiates the claim that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman. Assault of "creepy ass cracka" is a crime.

abraxas  posted on  2013-08-08   14:54:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: abraxas (#90)

1) You protect the home IN THE HOME, not by running out and assaulting "creepy ass crackas" on the street.

Which is exactly the point that opponents of "stand your ground" have been trying to make.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-08-08   15:45:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: strepsiptera (#95)

Which is exactly the point that opponents of "stand your ground" have been trying to make.

Stand your ground WAS NOT a defense in this case. This case was determined strictly on self defense and the evidence supported the acquittal.

Why do you keep harping about Stand Your Ground when it isn't even pertinent to this case? When Stand Your Ground isn't relevant to the case, your point is MOOT!

abraxas  posted on  2013-08-08   15:49:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: abraxas (#96)

We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide.

We are many. We are mighty. And we vote.

Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness.

Glenda Wells Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator

"We have no duty to retreat" is an explicit reference to stand your ground.

Stand your ground eliminates duty to retreat and extends the castle defense to wherever you may happen to be on the planet.

You pretty much stated in your own post that you think that Trayvon had a duty to retreat. That can be a legitimate argument but it is a rejection of stand your ground.

If stand your ground is irrelevant, then why is Glenda Wells bringing it up in her open letter to Trayvon's parents?

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-08-08   17:07:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: strepsiptera (#99)

If stand your ground is irrelevant, then why is Glenda Wells bringing it up in her open letter to Trayvon's parents?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-08-08   19:30:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Jethro Tull (#116)

How's that gun ban working out in Chicago Rahm? How many sitting ducks died last week end in the cross fire?

abraxas  posted on  2013-08-08   19:44:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: abraxas (#118)

Ping to #119, A...

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-08-08   19:51:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: All (#120)

www.re-newsit.com/2012/08...ls-to-report-trayvon.html

So, Tracy Martin, upon learning Trayvon is missing, first calls the juvenile detention center, then the sheriff's office and finally the Sanford PD. I find the pecking order of his calls very interesting....

Tracy Martin's phone call to non-emergency the day AFTER Trayvon went missing. Tracy had Brandy call the juvenile detention center where she is employed to ask if Trayvon had been picked up. He then called the Sheriff's office non-emergency to ask if they had picked Trayvon up. He finally calls SPD to file a missing persons report.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-08-08   20:02:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: abraxas, scrapper2, James Deffenbach, X-15 (#122)

ping to #122

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-08-08   20:06:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Jethro Tull (#125)

What is it with all these people defending Saint Skittles? Hell, there is no telling how many people's lives George Zimmerman saved when he killed that wannabe thug. Maybe even some of those who are so vociferously defending Saint Skittles.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-08-08   20:11:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: James Deffenbach, scrapper2 (#126)

Hell, there is no telling how many people's lives George Zimmerman saved when he killed that wannabe thug.

This is exactlty what I am talking about in my post to scrapper 2

There is no such crime as wanting to be a thug. We don't have a department of precrime.

Either he is a thug or he isn't. Show me the convictions.

strepsiptera  posted on  2013-08-09   10:15:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: strepsiptera (#139)

Either he is a thug or he isn't.

HERE

How a Miami School Crime Cover-Up Policy Led to Trayvon Martin’s Death

By on 7.15.13 @ 1:05AM

The February 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martion

might never have happened if school officials in Miami-Dade County

had not instituted an unofficial policy of treating crimes as

school disciplinary infractions. "http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/trayvon-martins- involvement-in-local-burglaries-covered-up-by-media-school-police- prosecutors.html">

Revelations that emerged from an internal affairs investigation

explain why Martin was not arrested when caught at school with

stolen jewelry in October 2011 or with marijuana in February 2012.

Instead, the teenager was suspended from school, the last time just

days before he was shot dead by George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin was not from Sanford, the town north of Orlando

where he was shot in 2012 and where a jury acquitted Zimmerman of

murder charges Saturday. Martin was from Miami Gardens, more than

200 miles away, and had come to Sanford to stay with his father’s

girlfriend Brandy Green at her home in the townhouse community

where Zimmerman was in charge of the neighborhood watch. Trayvon

was staying with Green after he had been suspended for the second

time in six months from Krop High School in Miami-Dade County,

where both his father, Tracy Martin, and mother, Sybrina Fulton,

lived.

Both of Trayvon’s suspensions during his junior year at Krop

High involved crimes that could have led to his prosecution as a

juvenile offender. However, Chief Charles Hurley of the Miami-Dade

School Police Department (MDSPD) in 2010 had implemented a policy

that reduced the number of criiminal reports, manipulating

statistics to create the appearance of a reduction in crime within

the school system. Less than two weeks before Martin’s death, the

school system "http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious- case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/">

commended Chief Hurley for “decreasing school-related juvenile

delinquency by an impressive 60 percent for the last six months of

2011.” What was actually happening was that crimes were not

being reported as crimes, but instead treated as disciplinary

infractions.

In October 2011, after a video surveillance camera caught Martin

writing graffiti on a door, MDSPD Office Darryl Dunn searched

Martin’s backpack, looking for the marker he had used. Officer Dunn

found 12 pieces of women’s jewelry and a man’s watch, along with a

flathead screwdriver the officer described as a “burglary tool.”

The jewelry and watch, which Martin claimed he had gotten from a

friend he refused to name, matched a description of items stolen

during the October 2011 burglary of a house on 204th Terrace, about

a half-mile from the school. However, because of Chief Hurley’s

policy “to lower the arrest rates,” as one MDSPD sergeant said in

an internal investigation, the stolen jewerly was instead listed as

“found property” and was never reported to Miami-Dade Police who

were investigating the burglary. Similarly, in February 2012 when

an MDSPD officer caught Martin with a small plastic bag containing

marijuana residue, as well as a marijuana pipe, this was not

treated as a crime, and instead Martin was suspended from

school.

Either of those incidents could have put Trayvon Martin into the

custody of the juvenile justice system. However, because of Chief

Hurley’s attempt to reduce the school crime statistics — "http://www.scribd.com/doc/135564937/Sergeant-William-Tagle-Internal-Affairs- Investigative-Report">

according to sworn testimony, officers were “basically told to

lie and falsify” reports — Martin was never arrested. And if he

had been arrested, he might never have been in Sanford the night of

his fatal encounter with Zimmerman.

In fact, the reason Zimmerman was patrolling the townhouse

community the night of the February 2012 shooting was that "http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman- idUSBRE83O18H20120425">

there had been a rash of burglaries in the neighborhood,

although there was no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved

in any of those crimes.

As for Chief Hurley’s policy, it was the controversy over

Martin’s death that accidentally exposed it. In March 2012, the

"http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at- trayvon.html">

Miami Herald "http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at- trayvon.html">

reported on Martin’s troubled history of disciplinary incidents at

Krop High. Chief Hurley then launched the internal affairs

investigation in an attempt to find out who had provided

information to the reporter. During the course of that

investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors described Chief

Hurley’s policy of not reporting crimes by students. Chief Hurley

was subsequently accused of sexually harassing two female

subordinates. He "http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/06/3270822/former-miami-dade-schools- police.html">

resigned in February, about a year after Trayvon Martin’s

death.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-08-09   10:52:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Jethro Tull, strepsiptera, James Deffenbach (#141)

strep: Either he is a thug or he isn't.

Thanks, JT.

That was very complete answer to strepsiptera's question.

James Deffenbach - I think you can drop the wannabe when referring to Trayvon as a thug.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-08-09   11:34:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#146. To: scrapper2 (#143)

James Deffenbach - I think you can drop the wannabe when referring to Trayvon as a thug.

That was kinda tongue in cheek when I called him a "wannabe." He was already a thug but not graduated yet to the level and with the street cred he would have liked to have had.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-08-09 12:08:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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