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Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin
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Published: Aug 6, 2013
Author: Glenda Wells
Post Date: 2013-08-06 00:10:23 by James Deffenbach
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Ms Fulton, Mr Martin I mourn your loss more than I can possibly say but let's be clear. Your son had as much opportunity to walk away as Mr Zimmerman did but chose instead to be aggressive himself. Just as a reminder, Mr Zimmerman did not use Stand Your Ground as a defense. The facts are indisputable that your son was on top and pounding Mr Zimmerman. Your son was not stalked. Mr Zimmerman was judged in a court of law to be not guilty therefore no punishment is warranted. Your son was depicted by the media as a young boy and portrayed as an innocent but let's be honest. We know that was not a true picture. Instead we learned you're son was a drug dealer and petty thief. Where were you when he should have been learning respect? Where were you when he needed the kind of guidance that would make him a good and decent man? Your efforts now seem like the desperate reach of parents trying to make up for in death what they failed in life. To think otherwise would paint you as a crass and heartless people looking for personal gain on the grave of a soul lost too soon. I am the Florida state coordinator for Gun Rights Across America. I represent more than 2,000 law abiding citizens who believe in our God-given right to defend ourselves, our families and our property against the kind of aggression displayed by your son that awful night and by countless thugs and criminals across the nation every day. GRAA has the support of thousands of members in every state and we have the backing of millions more in hundreds of Patriot and Constitutional groups around the country. We will fight any effort designed to give thugs and criminals power over law abiding citizens. We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide. We are many. We are mighty. And we vote. Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness. Glenda Wells
Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator
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#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
What better witness could the defense have had, if they could have chosen anyone at all, than the states "star witness," Rachel Jeantel? Paul Craig Roberts
Bingo JD, in fact I can't think of one prosecution witness that hurt Zimmerman's consistent recantation at all.
The issue was who struck first. What you provided does not indicate anywhere that anyone ever witnessed Martin doing that. Good indicated that a fight was already in process before he saw anything. That is a fact in evidence and not Martin-apologetics. Because the "Good guy" claims to have seen Zimmerman being pounded on the ground at the time he looked doesn't mean that the fight couldn't have started with Martin the one being pounded to the ground at first. Establishing what's actually factual or not in this case doesn't seem to be as imporatant to many as a "Saint Zimmerman" narrative. I'd like to think real jurors would be more diligent but, from the recoil tensions witnessed in this case, it looks like the chances of that are slim to none.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You are making an assumption that is not in evidence. While your speculation could, possibly, maybe be true there is no evidence to support that assumption. You are trying to read into the events your preferred spin on them. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha lol! i wouldnt put such things past the masons. ive read several books on them & for ex., documents from the US library of congress alone outlining the masons admitted schemes would shock you. See BEHIND THE LODGE DOOR, PAUL FSHER. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
oh, i thought Grey was saying that this op-ed article may be a masonic plot, not the shooting incident itself. There is indeed a judeo masonic conspiracy/plot in many regards.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
And the facts are pretty clear from the eyewitness testimony - Trayvon Martin was on top and beating George Zimmerman's head into the ground. Trayvon Martin was a violent and out of control young man who suffered from piss-poor parenting. It is unfortunate that Mr. Zimmerman was forced to shoot him in self defense, but the facts are clear that IT was self defense. The fact of the matter is that there's only Zimmerman's word that Martin started the fight and no other witnesses at that point. You have a different opinion but it's not factually verifiable. Zimmerman himself didn't claim in his reenactment video that he shot Martin in self-defense. Reference here. He claimed that he didn't know he had shot him and that is another fact. There's probably more, I think, to the issues of self defense than whoever happens to be armed at the point of their losing a fight but doubt it can be debated peacefully enough in this issue to pursue that further. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Thanks for your input and info on the possible Masonic-linked Op aspect, Artisan.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I think it'd be the height of stupidity for one slightly out of shape guy to start a scrap with a healthy 17 year old male with a pistol in the older guy's belt. One good punch from the kid and he could be out of it and be disarmed. Then what? Not a likely scenario. Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
I think they might have had some involvement, not that it's exclusively a Masonic Op. I'm even willing to consider to some extent that they might have been framed with evidence pointing to them but you apparently aren't willing to review any of that evidence -- just render callous judgements about me. I don't think brutal honesty would help you to be more receptive and balanced so am moving on... ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I think it'd be the height of stupidity for one slightly out of shape guy to start a scrap with a healthy 17 year old male with a pistol in the older guy's belt. One good punch from the kid and he could be out of it and be disarmed. Then what? Not a likely scenario. Good points. Consider, too, that Zimmerman said he didn't know the names of the streets he'd been in charge of patrolling for months and, evidently, didn't think carefully enough to have a map handy with those names in case he had to call the police in an emergency, which he reportedly did but couldn't give them directions except vaguely and that could have delayed them from arriving in time to prevent the shooting before it happened. On the issues of how stupid he is or not and whether he was intentionally vague to slow them down because of vigilante motives, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on that for now and go with a lesser charge of extremely stupid. Edited last sentence and to include the quoted section. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I dare you to call up the state prosecutor's office in Florida and tell them that they need to look into this, then count the milliseconds until the phone is slammed down in your ear. Nobody will buy what you're selling, including lawyers/prosecutor's/police/judges/news reporters/etc. Good's testimony blew me away. I'd love to know what the prosecution was thinking when they put him up there. He made a wonderful witness for the defense.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#19. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
#20. To: scrapper2 (#11)
#21. To: GreyLmist, scrapper2, all (#20)
Because the "Good guy" claims to have seen Zimmerman being pounded on the ground at the time he looked doesn't mean that the fight couldn't have started with Martin the one being pounded to the ground at first.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
straaight into the Land of Crackpottery
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
#24. To: Original_Intent (#17)
(Edited)
No, not just his word. You are welcome to your own opinion, but not your own FACTS.
#25. To: Artisan (#23)
#26. To: GreyLmist (#20)
The issue was who struck first.
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
For you to suggest that what happened in Sanford was a staged op by the Masons is pure insanity. I wish I could say that in a kinder, gentler way, but brutal honesty has been known to help some.
#28. To: randge (#26)
(Edited)
The issue was who struck first.
#29. To: GreyLmist (#2)
Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict
-Alex Kurtagic
#30. To: GreyLmist (#20)
Who struck first has zero to do with the use of necessary force to defend oneself from deadly physical force. To be clearer, let's assume Z struck Martin first. If TM responded by beating Z to the point he feared for his life, Z was within his rights to use necessary force to stop the attack. It's called self defense. The issue was who struck first
#31. To: Original_Intent (#21)
You are making an assumption that is not in evidence. While your speculation could, possibly, maybe be true there is no evidence to support that assumption. You are trying to read into the events your preferred spin on them. The difference is that I am fully aware that it hasn't been proven who started the fight. The assumption of preferred spin that's repeatedly being made in this case and adamantly read as if factual evidence (when there is no supporting corroboration at all for Zimmerman's claim that he was aggressively struck first) is that Trayvon started the fight. If an agreement could be reached that we can't know for sure who started the fight just by Zimmerman's say so, that would be my current preference. I don't understand why that's been so much like an implacable sticking-point of contention despite the facts in evidence which indicate exactly that "Uncertainty Principle". How critical is it to the narrative for you and others that Trayvon be declared the aggressive initiator of the fight rather than Aggressor Unknown? Because the "Good guy" claims to have seen Zimmerman being pounded on the ground at the time he looked doesn't mean that the fight couldn't have started with Martin the one being pounded to the ground at first.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#32. To: GreyLmist (#31)
Even Trayvon's girl friend, Jeantel, said she believed Trayvon struck first. Jeantel was not an eye witness but she was the one who Trayvn called and talked to through the course of "the event." Check "The Google." I think the major problem with assigning blame to a cult/oligarchy/outside secret society for every violent event that takes place is summed up in a childhood parable about the consequences of crying wolf. You can become your own worst enemy by reading a deus ex machina into tragedies too often.
#33. To: X-15 (#29)
I dare you to call up the state prosecutor's office in Florida and tell them that they need to look into this, then count the milliseconds until the phone is slammed down in your ear. Nobody will buy what you're selling, including lawyers/prosecutor's/police/judges/news reporters/etc. I presume this means I've been parolled from your bozo filter over the Rigby issue, at least temporarily. Yaay. I'd only be surprised if they didn't act as if they can't be bothered about it and there's no such thing as staged Ops or Masonic shenanigans. I could have left the phrase "Masonic-linked" out of my initial statement here and just said that I suspected this to be a staged Op to some extent. I posted on those aspects in a different topic and I didn't mention that here to make it a focal point in this discussion -- just to indicate upfront that I'm not debating these issues because I'm entirely convinced too that it happened, although I'm not 100% convinced either that it didn't. Whether it did or not, the regressive impact on Americans and America has been basically the same. That's my main concern at this point in trying to address what I think is misleading, inaccurate and overly intensive or under inspected about the matter. When discussing things like someone did this or that in the context of a report/scenario/narrative/storyline that I think could be fictional to some degree, I'd rather it be understood that is where I'm at on this -- even though it would probably have been more convenient for me to say nothing or be vaguer about my Op suspicions. Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#34. To: scrapper2 (#32)
Jeantel was not an eye witness but she was the one who Trayvn called and talked to through the course of "the event." Check "The Google." I think the major problem with assigning blame to a cult/oligarchy/outside secret society for every violent event that takes place is summed up in a childhood parable about the consequences of crying wolf. You can become your own worst enemy by reading a deus ex machina into tragedies too often. People tend to believe that her testimony is credible when they want to and not when they don't. I understand that the rest of what you're saying is the "conventional wisdom" on the subject of staged Ops, thanks. I don't assign every violent event to a cult/oligarchy/outside secret society. This is one of the times that I think the evidence pointed very obviously in the direction of a Masonic connection somehow. Trayvon's father is even reportedly a Master Mason himself. Debating and presenting what I suspect to be Op evidence that most others don't and seeing it that way more often than seems reasonable to many -- or differently than they do -- surely has been problematic for me and isolating to the detriment, maybe, of other issues of importance to more than me. I do what I can to discuss other issues without a stigmatism over Op topics skewing people's opinions but try to look at it from the vantage point of Op stagers and shadowy secret societies and such. You're effectively signaling to them that the more Op evidence there is (beyond a "standard" limit) that they're moving deceptively and damagingly against us, the more apt they are to get a pass as Non-Suspects from those thinking like you and the less people like me will be believed who happen to notice evidence of more than a few Op stagings, past and present. Sort of a win-win situation for them that penalizes investigative researchers without a sound basis to do so, really, imo -- like it's mostly about Surplus Supply and Demand or something and not facts in evidence that indicate Op complicity. Sheesh. That gave me pause to think about all the funner things there are to do than this. Decided to stay on-task here instead. Even Trayvon's girl friend, Jeantel, said she believed Trayvon struck first.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
I don't have a problem agreeing with that. Ok. I suppose so except that what he described to the police in his reenactment video was not self defense so much as an accidental shooting that he wasn't even aware had happened to hit TM. There are serious oddities after that point and at least one of those examples that could perhaps be considered a criminal attempt to prevent a call to the police for emergency help by the man with a flashlight who couldn't have been sure that Z had already called them, as he claimed, or whether Martin had been shot in self defense/unintentionally or might have been murdered by Z. In addition to that, by Z's own account in the video, he not only did nothing himself to try and help Martin and didn't ask the man if he was able to help Martin or would get help for him, Z bizarrely insisted that he needed help from the man to restrain Martin who was likely not moving. If those examples were in evidence in a case that wasn't this one, wouldn't you think the attempted obstruction of a call to the police for help was at least indicative of reckless disregard for the life of someone who had used no weaponry against him? Who struck first has zero to do with the use of necessary force to defend oneself from deadly physical force.
To be clearer, let's assume Z struck Martin first.
If TM responded by beating Z to the point he feared for his life, Z was within his rights to use necessary force to stop the attack. It's called self defense.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#36. To: GreyLmist (#35)
Never happened. Z expresses surprise TM had died during his first police interview some hours after the incident, but he never once suggested the shooting was accidental. I suppose so except that what he described to the police in his reenactment video was not self defense so much as an accidental shooting that he wasn't even aware had happened to hit TM.
#37. To: James Deffenbach (#3) (Edited)
I actually do think, if it happened, that it largely happened the way Zimmerman said it did in his reenactment video -- except details, for example, like his claim that he was struck first by Martin, which is unverifiable and not a critical issue anyway, afaik, on the question of self defense. I don't think I'm being an apologist for Martin by saying that the way Zimmerman said it happened [in that video] doesn't sound very exonerating or like self defense to me. I think if people listened attentively to his statements [there], they might not be so quick to insist this is a simple matter of self defense. What do you think, though, about the issue of Open Carry for Neighborhood Watch patrollers being a better safety measure than Concealed Carry? I'm currently of the opinion that Open Carry would be the better option to deter others from getting shot by surprise during a fight they thought to be unarmed. Edited for bracketed inserts. the available evidence shows that it happened the way Zimmerman said it did, not the way the apologists for Martin said.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#38. To: GreyLmist (#37)
Several years ago a black gang tortured a couple for hours in an apartment and killed them. A week after the incident in Sanford which we’re discussing here just blocks from Zimmerman’s house two “Black Hebrews” beat a white man, Mark Slavin, near to death with a hammer and stole his van. (This case is so heavily under wraps BTW that you can’t find a news story about it under a year old. The Zimmerman judge is handling the case of one of the perps.) More recently, a black 17 year old shot a toddler in a stroller to between the eyes because his mother couldn’t fork up any cash in a robbery. Half the perp’s family is in jail because they backed up a fake alibi or helped destroy evidence. Point here is that there have been some shocking stories the past couple of years that went completely under the radar. They didn’t receive a fraction of the attention that the Zimmerman case did. It was all “ . . . and then the big bad WHITE MAN killed the handsome, sweet, innocent colored boy.” This case was tailor made to be spun the way some in the media wanted because crucial parts of the events took place under four eyes (two of them no longer with us) and the conventional press ran with its version of the shooting. Here’s the conspiracy, GreyLmist: This a case that many white folks terrified by urban crime see as a case of self-defence, while a large proportion of blacks look at this shooting as a racist attack, and it’s inflamed their ready sense of racial paranoia. IMHO, this case, in the way that it was portrayed by the press, was promoted to divide people and ignite enmity and hatred. WHO DECIDED THAT THIS SHOOTING WAS PAGE ONE NEWS?? Someone (more than one person) made that decision. There’s your effin’ conspiracy.
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#39. To: GreyLmist (#37)
Personally, open carry is fine with me. I think everyone has the right to bear arms unless there is something in their background that would disqualify them (like being provably dangerous to other people). And whether they carry concealed or openly would make no difference to me. Your assumption should always be that if you are thinking about starting $#it with someone, or maybe putting a beat down on some "creepy ass cracker" that said "creepy ass cracker" might blow you away with the gun he is carrying. Civilized people don't go around sucker punching other people like Saint Skittles did. What do you think, though, about the issue of Open Carry for Neighborhood Watch patrollers being a better safety measure than Concealed Carry? I'm currently of the opinion that Open Carry would be the better option to deter others from getting shot by surprise during a fight they thought to be unarmed.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#40. To: James Deffenbach (#39)
Especially in Florida where gun ownership is quite high, no? putting a beat down on some "creepy ass cracker" that said "creepy ass cracker" might blow you away with the gun he is carrying.
#41. To: randge (#38)
Excellent observation. Black teens and children get murdered every day in America ( typically at the hand of other Blacks). But with how many of them has the President personally and publicly identified? Only one - Obama said at a presser that Trayvon looked like he could have been his son. The trial was happening at a time when Obama and his Administration were under the gun regarding a number of scandals - Benghazi, the IRS, phone tapping of the press, the NSA's domestic snooping, Obamacare costs, etc etc.... The Dem Rats needed a story on the Front Pages of newspapers and Google that was not a scandal about Obama and Company. WHO DECIDED THAT THIS SHOOTING WAS PAGE ONE NEWS?? Someone (more than one person) made that decision. There’s your effin’ conspiracy.
#42. To: scrapper2 (#40)
I believe it is. And where gun ownership is high the crime rate is low. And if the idiots who push gun control would use their heads they would know that if guns were inherently dangerous in and of themselves--which is what they seem to think--no one would ever leave a gun show alive. Especially in Florida where gun ownership is quite high, no?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#43. To: randge, 4 (#38)
Who decided TM was page one news worthy? The same folks who buried this, and stories like this, with regularity.
#44. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
The reverend "begs to differ" and they drag in the hoary swastika. 'Bout what you'd expect & you can expect no less in this sclerotic republic of moral paralytics.
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#45. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
This story has been posted on my fridge for 5 years to remind myself and others of the need for eternal vigilance. Even without the mutilations the crime was much more horrific than portrayed in that video.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#46. To: GreyLmist (#34)
1. Regarding your claim about Jeantel's testimony being presented as Truth only when it's a convenient to do so... if I'm not mistaken, Jeantel volunteered this information in a talk show interview AFTER the verdict in the trial was announced. She was not on the stand anymore. She was not presenting a phony story that the Prosecution had scripted and coached her to say. After the trial was done, Jeantel had nothing to gain or lose with her admission about Trayvon throwing the first punch. For this reason, I find her post-trial remarks about Trayvon throwing the "first punch" believable. 2.You don't always interject Staged Ops into discussions about violent events in the news. That is true. But because you have done it and continue to do it in such a frequent and predictable manner, it seems like you always do it more often than not. 3. Re: your comment: "Trayvon's father is even reportedly a Master Mason himself" - yes, Tracy Martin is a Grand Master in District #006. www.renfordpbrowngl.org/district_006.html That incidental fact does not make the Zimmerman-Trayvon shooting tragedy a Masonic Staged Op. One of my physicians is a Mason. My brother-in-law is a Knight of Columbus. Fyi, there's hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of Masons and KOC's in America. So what? People tend to believe that her testimony is credible when they want to and not when they don't. I understand that the rest of what you're saying is the "conventional wisdom" on the subject of staged Ops, thanks. I don't assign every violent event to a cult/oligarchy/outside secret society. This is one of the times that I think the evidence pointed very obviously in the direction of a Masonic connection somehow. Trayvon's father is even reportedly a Master Mason himself.
#47. To: GreyLmist (#2) (Edited)
Right on cue. How am I not surprised by the stance you've chosen to take. This author is not being honest, imo. Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict, what's considered the reported evidence indicates that Martin (who had committed no "Running Man" crime that night by hurrying through his neighborhood to get home and out of the rain) was on the porch at his own home before the confrontation with Zimmerman.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: scrapper2 (#40)
Years ago Florida did not have CC and had the highest murder rate in the country,not anymore. Especially in Florida where gun ownership is quite high, no?
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#49. To: randge, GreyLmist (#38)
Exactly, and to be blind to that indicates someone isn't looking very clearly. WHO DECIDED THAT THIS SHOOTING WAS PAGE ONE NEWS?? Someone (more than one person) made that decision. There’s your effin’ conspiracy.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: Jethro Tull, randge, 4 (#43)
In the case you refer to, the guy was gang raped prison style in front of his girlfriend, then they cut off his penis, set him on fire outside, then shot him. As far as the girlfriend, they gang raped her for two DAYS, then cut her breasts off, poured bleach down her mouth (while still ALIVE and CONSCIOUS), and ended up stuffing her into a trash can to let her die slowly. And as you say, this never made front page news. Who decided TM was page one news worthy? The same folks who buried this, and stories like this, with regularity.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: scrapper2 (#46)
Indeed. Whether Tracy Martin is actually a Grand Master Mason or not, I find it difficult to believe that he could have staged an event like this which began with the random act of a teenager purchasing an Arizona fruit drink & a bag of Skittles. So what?
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#52. To: scrapper2, GreyLmist (#46)
yes, Tracy Martin is a Grand Master in District #006. He's a Prince Hall 'mason', not a real Mason. Huge difference. Masons won't let Prince Hall 'masons' enter their lodge. It's the last corner of America that Whites are allowed to openly discriminate against negro's without one word of protest from the MSM. I'm not a Mason, btw. Trayvon's father is even reportedly a Master Mason himself.
-Alex Kurtagic
#53. To: GreyLmist (#2)
How long had Zimmerman been living in that area? Normally when one is appointed to patrol an area, they are not only fully familiar with their area (including their neighbors) but most of the neighbors also participate in neighborhood watch whether they live in apartment domiciles or own their homes. Another thing that bothers me is this: The moment that Zimmerman got out of his car was the moment he opened himself up to personal danger. Normally, when a resident is patrolling their neighborhood and they see suspicious activity, even if they are armed, they DO NOT EVER get out of their car. They call the cops. And even cops knows this when they see suspicious activity, they do not even get out of their car. Instead, they assess the situation to see of possible danger and then they follow the suspect in the car (not on foot). And I'm all for open carry! That Zimmerman was reportedly in charge of patrolling the area for months and didn't know the names of the streets indicates he may have been motivated more by vigilantism than his safety duties. I think a good case could be made, though, for open carry instead of concealed carry by Neighborhood Watch patrols because that might prevent others being similarly shot by surprise during what was seemingly to them an unarmed fight with a probable stalker.
#54. To: GreyLmist (#8)
How unfortunate that you can't appeal Zimmerman's exoneration and try him again with facts more to your liking, but that would be double jeopardy and is forbidden. Your twisting of the evidence is the best example of why the founders erected a constitutional bar to it.
#55. To: purplerose (#53)
I think you just indirectly called Saint Skittles a dangerous criminal?? Zimmerman had every right to get out of his vehicle in HIS neighborhood. It was NOT Saint Skittles neighborhood. The moment that Zimmerman got out of his car was the moment he opened himself up to personal danger.
-Alex Kurtagic
#56. To: GreyLmist (#37)
Of all the retired and off duty LEOs I know, 100% carry their weapons concealed. Way too many reasons to mention why this is, but safety would be at the top of the list. What do you think, though, about the issue of Open Carry for Neighborhood Watch patrollers being a better safety measure than Concealed Carry? I'm currently of the opinion that Open Carry would be the better option to deter others from getting shot by surprise during a fight they thought to be unarmed.
#57. To: GreyLmist, jethro tull (#25)
youre welcome. Paul fisher was a congressional aide & had access to endless documents. His book & bibligraphy is amazing.military docunmets, govt reports ad infinitum. Its a must read for anyone wanting cold hard FACTS about masons.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#58. To: X-15 (#55)
On the day Martin was fatally shot, he and his father were visiting his father's fiancée and her son at her townhome in The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, a multi-ethnic gated community, where the shooting occurred. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin Zimmerman and his wife had moved into the Retreat at Twin Lakes in 2009. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin Trayvon had just as every much right to be in that Retreat neighborhood just as Zimmerman. Trayvon had family there. It was NOT Saint Skittles neighborhood.
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