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Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin
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Published: Aug 6, 2013
Author: Glenda Wells
Post Date: 2013-08-06 00:10:23 by James Deffenbach
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Ms Fulton, Mr Martin I mourn your loss more than I can possibly say but let's be clear. Your son had as much opportunity to walk away as Mr Zimmerman did but chose instead to be aggressive himself. Just as a reminder, Mr Zimmerman did not use Stand Your Ground as a defense. The facts are indisputable that your son was on top and pounding Mr Zimmerman. Your son was not stalked. Mr Zimmerman was judged in a court of law to be not guilty therefore no punishment is warranted. Your son was depicted by the media as a young boy and portrayed as an innocent but let's be honest. We know that was not a true picture. Instead we learned you're son was a drug dealer and petty thief. Where were you when he should have been learning respect? Where were you when he needed the kind of guidance that would make him a good and decent man? Your efforts now seem like the desperate reach of parents trying to make up for in death what they failed in life. To think otherwise would paint you as a crass and heartless people looking for personal gain on the grave of a soul lost too soon. I am the Florida state coordinator for Gun Rights Across America. I represent more than 2,000 law abiding citizens who believe in our God-given right to defend ourselves, our families and our property against the kind of aggression displayed by your son that awful night and by countless thugs and criminals across the nation every day. GRAA has the support of thousands of members in every state and we have the backing of millions more in hundreds of Patriot and Constitutional groups around the country. We will fight any effort designed to give thugs and criminals power over law abiding citizens. We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide. We are many. We are mighty. And we vote. Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness. Glenda Wells
Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator
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#73. To: Jethro Tull (#71)
that's all we need to know.
There are no witnesses that Zimmerman was aggressively struck first in the scenario -- just his word We aren't to the point yet that there is a camera or a drone videotaping our every move, but it seems to me you'd be an advocate for such a system, if only to capture events like this, beginning to end. Although I suspect this to be a Masonic-linked Op to stir up racial conflict, what's considered the reported evidence indicates that Martin (who had committed no "Running Man" crime that night by hurrying through his neighborhood to get home and out of the rain) was on the porch at his own home before the confrontation with Zimmerman Wrong. TM reached his condo and rather than go in, disappeared for four minutes before approaching Z at the "T" section of the development.
A yes or no answer please. Q: Would you give the police five interviews w/o representation A: No Why do you suppose he gave so many interviews w/o representation? Wanted his case tried in the court of public opinion because he thought that would be a good thing for the country? Good for him? I think his attorney(s) would have advised him not to take the stand even if he hadn't given any interviews because he contradicts himself, among the many other incredulities about this. They might have had to work harder for their fees then...and the public might have questioned whuzzup with all that?...and then they might have stopped bickering enough to give it more scrutiny...and, well, you get the gist -- yes? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The gist is that when your attorney advises you NOT TO TAKE THE STAND, you do what your attorney advises. End of story. Shit, you really think that Zimmerman wanted his case in the "court of public opinion"? Seriously, that's ridiculous. It was only public emoting that brought the charges and the trial about......because there was never the evidence to support a conviction. This is why we have grand juries, but not in Zimmerman's case because the prosecutor wanted charges based on public emoting. Everybody contradicts themselves to some extent. Have you read your posts? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
A: No Well then, if you also wouldn't take the stand, or do the unrepresented interviews, why call Z's decision odd? You realize O'Mara was w/Z on Hannity, right? You'd have to ask Zimmerman why he did it, and while you're at it, ask the countless millions of other Americans who surrender their Fifth Amendment rights and do the exact same thing daily.
Not his neighborhood, he was visiting.
#74. To: GreyLmist (#2)
#75. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
Odd? Really? Would you give the police five interviews w/o representation and then take the stand against the advice of your attorney?
#76. To: GreyLmist (#75)
Why do you suppose he gave so many interviews w/o representation? Wanted his case tried in the court of public opinion because he thought that would be a good thing for the country? Good for him? I think his attorney(s) would have advised him not to take the stand even if he hadn't given any interviews because he contradicts himself, among the many other incredulities about this. They might have had to work harder for their fees then...and the public might have questioned whuzzup with all that?...and then they might have stopped bickering enough to give it more scrutiny...and, well, you get the gist -- yes?
#77. To: GreyLmist (#75)
Q: Would you give the police five interviews w/o representation
#78. To: purplerose (#58)
On the day Martin was fatally shot, he and his father were visiting his father's fiancée and her son at **her townhome** in The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford
-Alex Kurtagic
#79. To: abraxas (#70)
Why didn't Zimmerman know the names of the streets he'd been in charge of patrolling for six months when he had lived in that neighborhood for years since 2009? Why didn't Zimmerman simply identify himself to Martin as a Neighborhood Watch patrol? It didn't matter if Martin was walking or running, according to Zimmerman himself in his statements. Martin was suspicious at first because he wasn't walking fast enough to get out of the rain and he was still suspicious for running to get out of the rain and away from being followed. Then Zimmerman changed the story in his Hannity interview to Not running - more like skipping/going quickly but not in fear. Even Hannity thought that didn't sound right and reminded him of his earlier version. He was on the phone with the cops when he got out of the car to provide details as to where Martin had run. Why was Martin running? Why didn't he just run home like his buddy told him to do? If Martin felt so much threat why wasn't he on the phone with the cops instead of Zimmerman?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#80. To: GreyLmist (#79)
He patrolled his neighborhood for six months, eh? Please tell us what a typical day on patrol was like for Zimmerman. Also explain how you reached this conclusion. Why didn't Zimmerman know the names of the streets he'd been in charge of patrolling for six months when he had lived in that neighborhood for years since 2009?
#81. To: christine (#69)
In my mind, there is nothing accidental in the way the details of this case were twisted and spun. "Happy go lucky black kid with a soda and candy accosted by mean white guy with a gun." The "news" purveyors were champing at the bit, ready to roll out the robes & hoods when they found out Zimmerman was "hispanic." Now he coulda been a Kraut and his daddy was with the SS. That would have been a field day. They'd have to hire a drum majorette for the parade. Call in the Office of Special Investigations.
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#82. To: GreyLmist (#79)
Perhaps he isn't good with street names. Is that so difficult to believe? Hell, I don't remember the names of all the streets in my neighborhood either. Why is recall of street names such an important conspiracy theory aspect? Also it was dark and raining, so he couldn't simply see the street signs. He wanted to give the cop on the phone the correct information...wouldn't you want to do the same? Why didn't Zimmerman know the names of the streets he'd been in charge of patrolling for six months when he had lived in that neighborhood for years since 2009?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#83. To: X-15 (#78) (Edited)
So if I were black and visiting my family members in an ethnically mixed neighborhood, and I venture over to a convenience store, when it is dark outside, to get some candy and soda, I now have be concerned about being pursued by an armed citizen following me around? Note here: Ethnically mixed also applies to black people too. I've lived in Los Angeles for 22 years and I have lived with Iranians/Iraqs, Israelians, Lebanese, Syrians, Asians, Blacks and Mexicans. I learned how to live peacefully with them all. This thing about "Not his neighborhood, he was visiting" is a misnomer of speech.
#84. To: purplerose (#83) (Edited)
No, I stated fact. It matters not, Saint Trayvon is no longer a junior thug and he won't be stealing jewelry or waving around pistols to show his "street cred". This thing about "Not his neighborhood, he was visiting" is a misnomer of speech.
-Alex Kurtagic
#85. To: purplerose (#83)
Do you want a medal? I don't see the relevance of inserting your personal experience in LA to the case under discussion. Unless you are suggesting that Zimmerman is trouble seeking racist, who did not "learn to live peacefully" in an "ethnically mixed neighborhood" as you have done so admirably. I learned how to live peacefully with them all.
#86. To: Jethro Tull (#77)
A: No Well then, if you also wouldn't take the stand, or do the unrepresented interviews, why call Z's decision odd? I'm not going to be able to catch up on this thread today and keep up if I have to split hairs too and unjumble stuff like that. I'm not even seeing how one thing follows the other in your question. I said, "No" - I would not give the police five interviews w/o representation. I didn't say anything about not taking the stand. I call Z's decision odd because that's just the kind of a hairpin I am, see? That was a James Cagney impression, in case you didn't know. Yes. I'm just going to reword my sentence here with a bracketed insert for correctness: Odd how he gave so many lawyer free interviews to the police and [even went] on TV too but didn't want to testify in court. I'm one person. That's more busywork than I can manage even if I took him off the list. Mark Dice might do it. He likes to roam around and ask the public questions. Q: Would you give the police five interviews w/o representation
You realize O'Mara was w/Z on Hannity, right?
You'd have to ask Zimmerman why he did it, and while you're at it, ask the countless millions of other Americans who surrender their Fifth Amendment rights and do the exact same thing daily.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#87. To: GreyLmist (#86)
So you would take the stand against the advice of your attorney? Yes or no please. I didn't say anything about not taking the stand.
#88. To: GreyLmist (#86)
When you have a father who is a retired judge and possibly giving you advice to plead the fifth in court, as well as pull some strings for you, then you're home free. Odd how he gave so many lawyer free interviews to the police and [even went] on TV too but didn't want to testify in court.
#89. To: abraxas (#72) (Edited)
Yes, open carry may have prevented Trayvon from assaulting an armed man. Yes, Trayvon would not have then been surprised to find he assaulted an armed man. His father wasn't there at the time. Maybe he was trying to act like a protector of the home by keeping a lookout in case Zimmerman was a dangerous stalker. What excuses? It's just a fact that he committed no crime that night to be pursued. There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assaulted by Martin. Edited for spelling. If he was on his own porch why the hell didn't he just go inside? Why do you make excuses for his running off the porch to confront and assault Zimmerman if this is what you believe to be true?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#90. To: GreyLmist (#89)
It's just a fact that he committed no crime that night to be pursued. 1) You protect the home IN THE HOME, not by running out and assaulting "creepy ass crackas" on the street. 2) There is no evidence to support the "stalking" charge, this is more emoting. Neighborhood watch folks watch the neighborhood, this is why they are referred to as neighborhood watch. No, it isn't a fact as you claim. The evidence supports and substantiates the claim that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman. Assault of "creepy ass cracka" is a crime. Maybe he was trying to act like a protector of the home by keeping a lookout in case Zimmerman was a dangerous stalker.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#91. To: purplerose (#88)
Oy Vey. The grasping at straws (aka the hail Mary pass) rebuttal when losing a debate. When you have a father who is a retired judge and possibly giving you advice to plead the fifth in court, as well as pull some strings for you, then you're home free.
#92. To: GreyLmist (#89)
It's just a fact that he committed no crime that night to be pursued. And you could also say that Zimmerman committed no crime that night in surveilling Martin, which is what Zimmerman contends he was doing and which BTW he had every right to do. There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assulted by Martin. That statement is patently and demonstrably false. The evidence presented at trial that Zimmerman assaulted by Martin is in great degree responsible for Zimmerman's acquittal. Lord, I don't know why you try so hard, GreyLmist, but you do make some folks here do their homework. The more homework they do, the worse it looks for Martin's actions and reputation.
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#87)
Yes or no please. Maybe. So you would take the stand against the advice of your attorney?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#94. To: GreyLmist (#93)
So, your rationale for not speaking to the police regarding a shooting investigation, but then taking the stand on a murder 2 charge, against the advice of your attorneys, would be what? Maybe.
#95. To: abraxas (#90)
Which is exactly the point that opponents of "stand your ground" have been trying to make. 1) You protect the home IN THE HOME, not by running out and assaulting "creepy ass crackas" on the street.
#96. To: strepsiptera (#95)
Stand your ground WAS NOT a defense in this case. This case was determined strictly on self defense and the evidence supported the acquittal. Why do you keep harping about Stand Your Ground when it isn't even pertinent to this case? When Stand Your Ground isn't relevant to the case, your point is MOOT! Which is exactly the point that opponents of "stand your ground" have been trying to make.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#97. To: strepsiptera (#95)
The bug is back!
#98. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#64)
JT Post #36: Never happened. Z expresses surprise TM had died during his first police interview some hours after the incident, but he never once suggested the shooting was accidental. GreyLMist - I don't understand why you think the raw video you link to proves that what JT said is wrong. I watched the video. Zimmerman says he didn't realize his shot hit and mortally wounded Trayvon. Because Travyon initially was getting up saying something like "Okay, okay you got me." Zimmerman thought Trayvon was indicating to him that now he knew that Zimmerman had a gun. Zimmerman did not say the shooting was "accidental". It's just that initially Zimmerman did not realize that his gun shot killed Trayvon because Trayvon was strong enough to attempt to get up off Zimmerman and talk to him. That's why Zimmerman tried to restrain restrain Trayvon after he fell to the ground by holding arms his arms apart on the ground. One thing that that shouted out to me as I watched this video reanactment by Zimmerman was what a small statured man Zimmerman was at the time of the shooting. I did not realize that fact because most of the photos MSM had published of Zimmerman's face during the trail was of a big fat faced person, implying that Zimmerman was a big man, while Trayvon's photos showed a young 12 year old looking little "kid." In fact, the reverse was true. Zimmerman was a very small guy. I'm definitely much taller than Zimmerman and Zimmerman didn't look too heavy either. Travyon was 5'11" and 155/160 lbs. Big difference between Trayvon and Zimmerman in stature. Raw Video: George Zimmerman reenacts incident for Sanford Police - at 12 minutes 54 seconds, says he didn't think he hit Trayvon when he shot him.
#99. To: abraxas (#96)
We are many. We are mighty. And we vote. Respectfully and with heartfelt sadness. Glenda Wells Gun Rights Across America, Florida State Coordinator "We have no duty to retreat" is an explicit reference to stand your ground. Stand your ground eliminates duty to retreat and extends the castle defense to wherever you may happen to be on the planet. You pretty much stated in your own post that you think that Trayvon had a duty to retreat. That can be a legitimate argument but it is a rejection of stand your ground. If stand your ground is irrelevant, then why is Glenda Wells bringing it up in her open letter to Trayvon's parents? We have no duty to retreat. We will not run and hide.
#100. To: scrapper2 (#98)
The photo you are talking about was one year out of date, which would make him 16, not 12.
#101. To: scrapper2 (#46)
In that interview, Rachel Jeantel says that she thinks Trayvon threw a punch in response to Z grabbing him. If Jeantel's theory were correct, that would still make Z guilty of assault and Trayvon's punch would be thrown in self defense.
#102. To: scrapper2, GreyLmist (#98)
GreyLmist is the only person I know that connected the word accidental to the shooting. No proof has been offered because none exists.
#103. To: randge, All (#92)
randge: That statement is patently and demonstrably false. The evidence presented at trial that Zimmerman assaulted by Martin is in great degree responsible for Zimmerman's acquittal. Lord, I don't know why you try so hard, GreyLmist, but you do make some folks here do their homework. The more homework they do, the worse it looks for Martin's actions and reputation. People claiming to have seen a fight in process with Trayvon hitting Zimmerman at the time is not the same thing as evidence that the fight was started by Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. I think people haven't done enough homework if we can't at least agree about that much without a ruckus. So, here's a study-link to my TM-GZ Evidence Archive, currently for Me: There simply is no evidence except Zimmerman's word that he was assulted by Martin.
Grades Posts 1-12. :) Btw, The Martin Family and Associates didn't get a free pass from me either there.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#104. To: strepsiptera (#101)
Absurd and inadmissible in any court of law. What Rachel Jeantel *thinks* is of no consequence and has no traction beyond giving Nancy Grace another orgasm when she shrieks "Breaking Development!!". Rachel Jeantel says that *she thinks* Trayvon threw a punch in response to Z grabbing him. If *Jeantel's theory* were correct
-Alex Kurtagic
#105. To: strepsiptera, 4 (#101)
Let's take your unsupported example as true. Z instigates the fight. TM gets to use necessary force to stop the assault. According to John Good, a neighbor who witnessed the assault from 20' away, and Zimmerman, TM pinned Zimmerman on the ground and pummeled him MMA style, while causing his head to repeatedly strike the cement walkway. This removes TMs actions from the realm of self-defense into deadly physical force, a force which can be terminated by equal force. If Jeantel's theory were correct, that would still make Z guilty of assault and Trayvon's punch would be thrown in self defense.
#106. To: GreyLmist (#103)
Saint Skittles had a track-record of physical violence, George Zimmerman has a track-record of helping people and NO record of physical violence. People claiming to have seen a fight in process with Trayvon hitting Zimmerman at the time is not the same thing as evidence that the fight was started by Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman.
-Alex Kurtagic
#107. To: X-15 (#104)
Then any speculation on her part that Trayvon threw the first punch is equally inadmissable. She is only a witness to what she heard on the phone; nothing more.
#108. To: strepsiptera (#107)
But of course, she wasn't there and only heard some noise on a cell-phone. Her total involvement in George Zimmerman's trial was a farce, at most she was only a character-witness for Crayon's budding 'thug-fo-lyfe' lifestyle.
-Alex Kurtagic
#109. To: X-15 (#106)
Z had a record of being arrested for assaulting a police officer. He also had a restraining order issued against him after being accused of domestic violence by his fiancee.
#110. To: strepsiptera (#109)
By golly you're right, that slipped my mind. I stand corrected.
-Alex Kurtagic
#111. To: strepsiptera (#100)
Reading comprehension issues? Here's what I stated: "while Trayvon's photos showed a young 12 year old looking little "kid."" I did not say it was a photo of Trayvon at age 12. The photo you are talking about was one year out of date, which would make him 16, not 12.
#112. To: strepsiptera (#109)
Sorry, but "being arrested" and "being accused" does not = being found guilty as charged/as accused. Please provide the url links to the legal decisions that determined Zimmerman was guilty as charged/as accused. Z had a record of being arrested for assaulting a police officer. He also had a restraining order issued against him after being accused of domestic violence by his fiancee.
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