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Title: Florida Under Fire: Should it Stand its Ground?
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New Port Richey Patch
URL Source: http://newportrichey.patch.com/grou ... d-it-stand-its-ground_9502c607
Published: Aug 7, 2013
Author: Alex Tiegen
Post Date: 2013-08-08 15:58:15 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 187
Comments: 14
Despite weeks of browbeating about the Stand Your Ground law, Florida lawmakers don’t seem to be backing down. Gov. Rick Scott has even called for an apology from the Rev. Jesse Jackson following the controversial national figure’s visit to Tallahassee on Tuesday, July 30. Scott called Jackson’s comments “reckless,” “divisive” and said he owes every Floridian an apology. He has also said he won’t call a special legislative session to address objections to Stand Your Ground. Jackson’s trip here was meant to show his support for those protesting the self-defense law. Although Stand Your Ground wasn’t used in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, it’s been oft cited in relation to the case. Since the not-guilty verdict for Zimmerman came down in July, Florida has fended off a host of attacks by those who would see the law repealed. Stand Your Ground allows the use of deadly force when a person fears for life. Black entertainer Stevie Wonder has said he won’t perform in the state as long as the law stands. Jackson, according to the Tampa Bay Times, called for an “economic boycott” of the state to "isolate Florida as a kind of (an) apartheid state given this whole stand your ground laws." During his trip here Tuesday, he likened the anti-Stand Your Ground protests to the Alabama marches during the civil rights movement. Tampa Bay’s own Will Weatherford, the Republican speaker of the state house, says questions about the law should be answered. He’s called for a special hearing on the topic this fall. While that might seem like acquiescence to the opposition, don’t be fooled. “Although it is appropriate to review our laws, we will not back down a single inch from our citizens' ability to protect themselves,” Weatherford wrote in a commentary published on TBO.com.
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#1. To: X-15, 4 (#0)
To the cowardly among us who oppose SYG, what would they suggest a disabled person do when confronted by a couple of Trayvons? If they can't run away (hey, these kids are fast) should they simply do a Reginald Denny and allow themselves to be beaten, robbed, or worse?
Yes, they need to die for the diversity & tolerance, but only if they're white. Besides, them white cripples is a burden on O'boingoCare. You get it now? Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. You get it now? But Rebbe....haven't we ovens for social burdens?
A person in that situation would be unable to retreat. Duty to retreat would not apply in that situation. A person in that situation could claim self defense even without stand your ground.
Plenty. They are currently on cold standby. Tick, tick, tick... Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Already happened: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/05/colorado-dem-to-rape-survivor-a-gun- wouldnt-have-helped-you-against-rapist-because-statistics-are-not-on-your-side/ Rape survivor Amanda Collins bravely spoke about her horrific attack during a Monday legislative hearing concerning Colorado’s proposed ban on concealed firearms on college campuses. She explained how she wished she would’ve had a firearm to defend herself from her rapist, which could have possibly prevented the attack from occurring. After calling her story “unsettling,” Democratic state Sen. Evie Hudak quickly went after Collins, saying “actually, statistics are not on your side, even if you had a gun.” “You said that you were a martial arts student, I mean person, experienced in Tae Kwon Do, and yet because this individual was so large, was able to overcome you even with your skills, and chances are that if you had had a gun, then he would have been able to get that from you and possibly use it against you,” she added. Hudak claimed that for every one woman who used a handgun to kill someone in self-defense, 83 were murdered by them. “Respectfully senator, you weren’t there,” Collins said before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday. “Had I been carrying concealed, he wouldn’t have known I had my weapon; and I was there. I know without a doubt in my mind at some point I would’ve been able to stop my attack by using my firearm.”
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
If they can't run away should they simply do a Reginald Denny and allow themselves to be beaten, robbed, or worse?
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#3. To: Esso, Shoooooooo (#2)
Yes, they need to die for the diversity & tolerance, but only if they're white. Besides, them white cripples is a burden on O'boingoCare.
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
But Rebbe....haven't we
ovens high-speed industrial incinerators for social burdens inconvenient citizens?
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
To the cowardly among us who oppose SYG, what would they suggest a disabled person do when confronted by a couple of Trayvons? If they can't run away (hey, these kids are fast) should they simply do a Reginald Denny and allow themselves to be beaten, robbed, or worse?
-Alex Kurtagic
#7. To: X-15 (#6)
That sounds like 99 44/100% pure bullshit to me. Hudak claimed that for every one woman who used a handgun to kill someone in self-defense, 83 were murdered by them.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#8. To: Esso (#7)
That sounds like 99 44/100% pure bullshit to me. Bingo! we have a winner. (What a huge, huge, Depends sagging pantload) Hudak claimed that for every one woman who used a handgun to kill someone in self-defense, 83 were murdered by them.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#9. To: Lod (#8)
It's probably accurate, but disingenuous as hell. An apples/oranges comparison. (What a huge, huge, Depends sagging pantload)
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#10. To: Esso, shooters, 2 (#9)
good information -
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#11. To: X-15 (#6)
www.theblaze.com/stories/...m-to-rape-survivor-a-gun- wouldnt-have-helped-you-against-rapist-because-statistics-are-not-on-your-side/ Rape survivor Amanda Collins bravely spoke about her horrific attack during a Monday legislative hearing concerning Colorado’s proposed ban on concealed firearms on college campuses. She explained how she wished she would’ve had a firearm to defend herself from her rapist, which could have possibly prevented the attack from occurring. After calling her story “unsettling,” Democratic state Sen. Evie Hudak quickly went after Collins, saying “actually, statistics are not on your side, even if you had a gun.” This politician deserves what they all deserve, a life sentence. Already happened:
#12. To: strepsiptera (#4)
Hey, just like a Zimmerman's claim of self defense without stand your ground. A person in that situation could claim self defense even without stand your ground.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#13. To: strepsiptera (#4) (Edited)
And the elderly strepsiptera, surely they would also be exempt? Can we toss in the morbidly obese, the terminally ill? A person in that situation would be unable to retreat. Duty to retreat would not apply in that situation.
#14. To: abraxas (#12)
Correct. SYG has no bearing whatsoever in this case. Purely self-defense, period.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
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