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Title: New Mural In Florida’s Capitol Building Shows Zimmerman Shooting Trayvon Martin
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URL Source: http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/ ... -in-floridas-capitol-building/
Published: Aug 11, 2013
Author: Kristin Tate
Post Date: 2013-08-11 08:56:15 by James Deffenbach
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Views: 1459
Comments: 127
A huge new mural called “We Are All Trayvon Martin” was unveiled in the Florida State Capitol. It was created by a Miami artist who is clearly very sympathetic towards Martin. Artist Huong unveiled the creation during a sit-in to protest Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law. (Stand your ground had absolutely nothing to do with this case. Effin' idiot). Poster Comment: Alternate title: George Zimmerman now set for another defamation suit against an alleged "artist" who has to know better. At least if she had paid any attention at all to the trial she would have. The man was found NOT GUILTY and for good reason. He was attacked and defended himself. Case closed. George Zimmerman should sue the "artist" as well as whoever approved putting this pos in the Capitol Building. I hope he sues their asses and breaks them from doing stuff like this. Titled, “We Are All Trayvon Martin,” the painting shows Zimmerman firing a gun at a hoodie-wearing figure. The painting features a mirror to signify that the shooting could have happened to anyone. There is also an image of Martin Luther King Jr. with blood trickling down his head.
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#31. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
All these people wanting "Justice for Trayvon" are not racists, some of them might be, but many of them are only going on what they have heard in the established media and for that reason they think that Zimmerman shot Trayvon just for being black and out at night. Some of these people probably have faced real discrimination in their lives and can readily believe that Zimmerman was only following Trayvon because he was black. I highly doubt that is the case with Zimmerman, but when you only get slanted news to go by, combined with personal instances of racism directed at you, then I can understand why they would think Trayvon was murdered. The media is knowingly using propaganda combined with physiological profiling of blacks to try to cause riots. If we can't break through the lies of the media and get the truth out about many important issues, then this country is finished, if it isn't already. Lies and the ability of people to readily accept those lies from government institutions and established mass media outlets, are some of this nation's biggest threats to its survival. Blacks, Whites, Hispanics and Asians can all live together peacefully if the truth is reported instead of lies on constant basis. Those that rule over us have an incentive to keep us divided with lies, it takes the focus off of them, the number one trouble makers in this nation.
Thank you!
In other words, uninformed, reactionary, morons who don't know a thing about the facts of the case.
Below is a piece of info that made me think there's more that we are not being told. -------------- See GreyLmist's post #157 “Turns out that he wasn't even acting as an on-duty Neighborhood Watch Patrol that night and, reportedly, the HOA/Homeowners Association stated that they aren't supposed to be armed there.” http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...tNum=157244&Disp=165#C165
-------------- See GreyLmist's post #157 “Turns out that he wasn't even acting as an on-duty Neighborhood Watch Patrol that night and, reportedly, the HOA/Homeowners Association stated that they aren't supposed to be armed there.” http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...tNum=157244&Disp=165#C165 The Twin Lakes Retreat Neighborhood Watch group is apparently unregistered, with HOA standards of its own, but its Homeowners Association President agrees with the Training Program not to act as the police. Some sources on that and Zimmerman being off-duty: Interactive map: The Trayvon Martin killing Your Zimmerman questions answered in 15 seconds! -- video at 1:04-1:28 | HOA rules + Training Program Zimmerman Trial Day 2 – Analysis of State’s Witnesses: Donald O’Brien, President Twin Lakes Home Owners Association - 7.5 minute YouTube of court testimony from 6:00 on the Neighborhood Watch Program (the "stucco guys" crew discussed starting at 2:50 were not part of the HOA's Neighborhood Watch group and are not said to have been armed) George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization
When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman’s claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon. Very very interesting information. I am well informed about neighborhood watch programs and usually when a person is involved with such a program, they are registered and recognized by that agency as well as local police departments, sheriffs, and their neighborhood.
Dorival, a civilian with the Sanford police department, was volunteering as a coordinator because she believed in neighborhood watch programs. She would do presentations to those wanting to start such programs. She said she is still at the police department but in a different position. Dorival testified that in fall 2011, she visited Zimmerman and other residents at the housing complex to discuss setting up a watch program. During her testimony, prosecutor Guy focused on her instructions to residents about how to behave when they spotted a suspicious person. “Their duty is to be the eyes and ears. Report crime as they see it,” said Dorival, adding that she provided handouts stressing this and also explained it verbally during the meeting. Zimmerman was there as the neighborhood watch coordinator, a role he told Dorival had been assigned him by the president of the homeowners' association.
Is this true, GreyLmist? The part about the President of the Homeowners Association assigning Zimmerman the role as Neighborhood Watch Coordinator? Does that also mean Zimmmerman had a right to carry a concealed weapon to take on that role?
Is this true, GreyLmist? The part about the President of the Homeowners Association assigning Zimmerman the role as Neighborhood Watch Coordinator? Does that also mean Zimmmerman had a right to carry a concealed weapon to take on that role? I think Zimmerman was called the Coordinator because he was involved with organzing the Neighborhood Watch program there from the beginning and was a block-Captain recruiter. He was referred to in a newsletter as "our Captain" to contact after the police on crime issues, etc. Zimmerman was not on duty that night so the Neighborhood Watch protocols are not pertinent to the issue. His right to be armed and carry concealed is not in question Constitutionally or according to Florida State Law. I don't know what that community's firearms/concealed carry rules were for on-duty Watch persons but that is reportedly not something that the official Neighborhood Watch Training Program endorses. I believe they should be armed for their protection but carry openly. One of the problems I noticed in the Officer Smith testimony was that there was no mention of Miranda Rights when he was being taken into police custody. That's not proof that Miranada Rights were denied, just making note of it here as questionable. Edited next to last sentence of paragraph 1.
Miranda isn't required when detention is brief and voluntary.
This is not true! Just because an officer directs you to the police station to "brief" you concerning a criminal matter does not mean you waive your Constitutional Rights per the Fifth Amendment and especially where you are being "detained" for a brief period. This is where all cops lie to citizens. NEVER NEVER NEVER "volunteer" information when you are being "detained". You as a citizen have every right to remain quiet because anything you say or do will be held against you in a court of law. Cops are officers of the courts. Anything you say, they record on you. Unless you have been charged with a crime, you are free to go and if the cop is asking you information relating to the crime (and you personally), you ask the cop, "Am I being charged with a crime?" If the cop does not answer you but insist on further questioning you without charging you, then they wish to detain you. This means they are unlawfully holding you against your will without being formally charged. Let them throw your ass in jail because you refuse to cooperate with providing them information. You can sue them later. The only person one should be talking to is a lawyer!
And furthermore....... Suspects can waive their right to remain silent or their right to an attorney either expressly or implicitly. To expressly waive Miranda rights, the suspect would state (or sign something stating) that he or she waives the right to remain silent or the right to have an attorney present. Implied waiver means that the suspect behaves in a way that indicates a knowing and voluntary waiver of Miranda rights.
Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police?
What does this have to do w/Zimmerman & Miranda? Wasn't that what we were discussing?
GreyLmist mentioned the issue of Zimmerman not being read his Miranda Rights at the time he was arrested and then I discussed how police intentionally get a citizen to "volunteer" information (which also includes deadly force). I'm definitely not trying to stray away from the Zimmerman subject. Zimmerman acted like a police officer out of control of an unarmed citizen. The question I asked was legitimate as it relates to the issue concerning mis-construed implied behavior of a citizen when in an unfortunate situation and forced to comply with another person who happens to be armed with a deadly weapon and is trying to get that citizen to "volunteer" information. Instead I got a non-response.
have you watched this ?
Yes, I watched it. This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker. And if the parents have any sense in how those journalists are painting their son Trayvon, they'd sue the hell out of them for defamation of character. This video did not convince me of any new facts or anything that I do not already know about yellow journalism. Common sense dictates to my reasoning that when I see suspicious activity in my neighborhood, I am not going to go after them like some dumbass trying to be a hero even if I am armed. And I am still of the opinion that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car, he would not have been pounced on by TM. He should have stayed in his car and kept in contact with the police dispatcher and laid his ass low so that TM could not see him. Chances are the police would have arrived and sent out several spotters as backup to search the area and possibly even send in a K-9 unit and they would have caught up with TM and arrested him on suspicious activity. At least he'd still be alive and Zimmerman would still be safe from harms way.
He should have stayed in bed and ate Fritos all day, but court cases aren't tried on 'should haves.' Instead, trials are decided on admitted evidence and part of that evidence is what you acknowledge in your #88; TM pounced on Z, an act which set in motion the final moments of life. This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar tools
This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar tools Good points. And they have seen all that about why Saint Skittles wasn't charged with the stolen property and have chosen to overlook it because it does not fit their fairy tale of the innocent young black "child" who was murdered by a racist "white Hispanic." They have to know that their arguments are bs and just keep on and on but for what?
Lack of quality psychotropic meds?
That explanation would be about as good as any I guess. Apparently some folks have to get the shit beat out of them by some thug like Saint Skittles before they understand that you can't reason with them and pretend they will stop being thugs if you just ask them nicely.
When some TM defenders float the preposterous conspiracy theories we both have read, an increase in meds is a legitimate suggestion. I'm talking mental illness on full display. No other disconnect to reality makes sense to me.
Yeah, like that about how Saint Skittles was rendered unconscious by Zimmerman and I asked, and never got any reply, if Zimmerman used the Vulcan Death Grip on him to render him unconscious. And other ludicrous things that otherwise sane people wouldn't even entertain for the few seconds it would take to say them.
YouTube link set to start at 19:13-19:36 about Zimmerman's Army service, Virginia: George Zimmerman Sanford Police Interview [Lie Detector/Polygraph] (February 27, 2012) Cross-referencing Post #221 at 4um Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin In addition to the malicious misrepresentations of my post #221 (especially on the issue of Z's Army training, in counter-response to an impression of him being in a precarious situation with a superior opponent), these are the high-priority issues of evidence discussed there that keep getting avoided with no answers and truncated deviously when referencing that posting: "he talked about his Army service in Virginia early on in his CVSA interview, so I'm not someone under the impression that he wouldn't know how to disable TM quickly." Why anyone would want to pretend that his Army Training is a Star Trek joke, I don't know, but if you two want to sound absurdly reading impaired, suit yourselves. These are 2 articles in that thread in reference to John Good's testimony: abcnews.go.com: George Zimmerman Was Beaten, Two Prosecution Witnesses Say - ABC News This is a video of Good's full courtroom testimony that I haven't seen all of yet: If he ever describes in that video what he means by MMA/Mixed Martial Arts style blows and what that looks like, please point me to it. These are excerpts from those reports: abcnews.go.com So far no witness has testified about who started the fight and there have been conflicting accounts about who was on top during the fight. Selma Mora, another witness, testified Thursday that Zimmerman was on top of Martin in the moments before a gunshot ended the fight. cbsnews.com "The person you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top, correct?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara. "He was the one raining blows down on George Zimmerman, correct?" "That's what it looked like," Good answered. Later, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked whether it was possible a police officer could have used the term "ground and pound" before he did. "It's possible," Good said. De la Rionda honed in on Good's earlier statement that he couldn't confirm the person on top was hitting the other person. "Correct," Good said. Edited for spacing, spelling, punctuation and 1st video link correction + timestamping.
#114. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#111)
So now JT and I are the ones who can't read or don't understand what we read? LOL! I can tell you one thing, I know bs when I see it and there have been truck loads of that posted about how the racist George Zimmerman hunted down that poor innocent child, Trayvon Martin, and murdered him. Not to put too fine a point on it that is bullshit.
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#34. To: Big Meanie (#31)
(Edited)
#38. To: RickyJ, Big Meanie (#34)
All these people wanting "Justice for Trayvon" are not racists, some of them might be, but many of them are only going on what they have heard in the established media and for that reason they think that Zimmerman shot Trayvon just for being black and out at night.
#39. To: purplerose (#38)
All these people wanting "Justice for Trayvon" are not racists, some of them might be, but many of them are only going on what they have heard in the established media and for that reason they think that Zimmerman shot Trayvon just for being black and out at night.
#40. To: Lod, GreyLmist (#39)
(Edited)
In other words, uninformed, reactionary, morons who don't know a thing about the facts of the case.
#49. To: purplerose (#40)
Below is a piece of info that made me think there's more that we are not being told.
His lawyers have indicated that they will pursue a self-defense strategy, arguing that Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who was off-duty, was protecting himself in a confrontation with the teenager.
1. ...Zimmerman volunteered for his neighborhood watch group, but he was not on duty the night of Martin’s death. ...
When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman’s claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.
#52. To: GreyLmist (#49)
George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization
#53. To: purplerose (#52)
articles.latimes.com/2013...ighborhood-watch-20130625
#56. To: Jethro Tull, GreyLmist (#53)
“Their duty is to be the eyes and ears. Report crime as they see it,” said Dorival, adding that she provided handouts stressing this and also explained it verbally during the meeting. Zimmerman was there as the neighborhood watch coordinator, a role he told Dorival had been assigned him by the president of the homeowners' association.
#63. To: purplerose (#56)
(Edited)
“Their duty is to be the eyes and ears. Report crime as they see it,” said Dorival, adding that she provided handouts stressing this and also explained it verbally during the meeting. Zimmerman was there as the neighborhood watch coordinator, a role he told Dorival had been assigned him by the president of the homeowners' association.
#66. To: GreyLmist, purplerose (#63)
One of the problems I noticed in the Officer Smith testimony was that there was no mention of Miranda Rights when he was being taken into police custody. That's not proof that Miranada Rights were denied, just making note of it here as questionable
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
(Edited)
Miranda isn't required when detention is brief and voluntary.
#71. To: purplerose (#69)
http://criminal.findlaw.com/crim...iving-miranda-rights.html
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#71)
(Edited)
Implied waiver means that the suspect behaves in a way that indicates a knowing and voluntary waiver of Miranda rights.
#80. To: purplerose (#79)
Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police?
#81. To: Jethro Tull (#80)
What does this have to do w/Zimmerman & Miranda? Wasn't that what we were discussing?
#86. To: purplerose, GreyLMist (#81)
#88. To: christine (#86)
(Edited)
#93. To: purplerose, 4 (#88)
(Edited)
He should have stayed in his car and kept in contact with the police
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
He should have stayed in bed and ate Fritos all day, but court cases aren't tried on 'should haves.' Instead, trials are decided on admitted evidence and part of that evidence is what you acknowledge in your #88; TM pounced on Z, an act which set in motion the final moments of life.
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#98)
They have to know that their arguments are bs and just keep on and on but for what?
#100. To: Jethro Tull (#99)
#101. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
#102. To: Jethro Tull (#101)
When some TM defenders float the preposterous conspiracy theories we both have read,
#111. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, 4 (#102)
(Edited)
like that about how Saint Skittles was rendered unconscious by Zimmerman and I asked, and never got any reply, if Zimmerman used the Vulcan Death Grip on him to render him unconscious. And other ludicrous things that otherwise sane people wouldn't even entertain for the few seconds it would take to say them.
"How on earth was GZ even able to get to his gun if TM was straddling him then as he says? Where was TM's leg at the time on that side? GZ's story about his jacket moving up doesn't adequately explain that away."
cbsnews.com: George Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gunshot
YouTube: John Good FULL Testimony. George Zimmerman Trial -- 2+ hours
Good testified that he did not see Martin banging Zimmerman's head on the concrete.
He said he saw "arm movements going downward," though he couldn't be certain the person on top was striking the person on the bottom.
Replies to Comment # 111. Why anyone would want to pretend that his Army Training is a Star Trek joke, I don't know, but if you two want to sound absurdly reading impaired, suit yourselves.
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