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Title: New Mural In Florida’s Capitol Building Shows Zimmerman Shooting Trayvon Martin
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URL Source: http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/ ... -in-floridas-capitol-building/
Published: Aug 11, 2013
Author: Kristin Tate
Post Date: 2013-08-11 08:56:15 by James Deffenbach
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A huge new mural called “We Are All Trayvon Martin” was unveiled in the Florida State Capitol. It was created by a Miami artist who is clearly very sympathetic towards Martin. Artist Huong unveiled the creation during a sit-in to protest Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law. (Stand your ground had absolutely nothing to do with this case. Effin' idiot). Poster Comment: Alternate title: George Zimmerman now set for another defamation suit against an alleged "artist" who has to know better. At least if she had paid any attention at all to the trial she would have. The man was found NOT GUILTY and for good reason. He was attacked and defended himself. Case closed. George Zimmerman should sue the "artist" as well as whoever approved putting this pos in the Capitol Building. I hope he sues their asses and breaks them from doing stuff like this. Titled, “We Are All Trayvon Martin,” the painting shows Zimmerman firing a gun at a hoodie-wearing figure. The painting features a mirror to signify that the shooting could have happened to anyone. There is also an image of Martin Luther King Jr. with blood trickling down his head.
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#66. To: GreyLmist, purplerose (#63)
Miranda isn't required when detention is brief and voluntary.
TM was unarmed. Zimmerman was not. And not every neighborhood watch program endorses their citizens to patrol with concealed weapons.
Zs neighborhood watch didn't patrol. The Sanford PD had a separate program for people who wanted to patrol. It was called Citizens on Patrol (COP). Z declined an offer to participate in that program, odd for a man who was painted as a cop "wannabe."
This is not true! Just because an officer directs you to the police station to "brief" you concerning a criminal matter does not mean you waive your Constitutional Rights per the Fifth Amendment and especially where you are being "detained" for a brief period. This is where all cops lie to citizens. NEVER NEVER NEVER "volunteer" information when you are being "detained". You as a citizen have every right to remain quiet because anything you say or do will be held against you in a court of law. Cops are officers of the courts. Anything you say, they record on you. Unless you have been charged with a crime, you are free to go and if the cop is asking you information relating to the crime (and you personally), you ask the cop, "Am I being charged with a crime?" If the cop does not answer you but insist on further questioning you without charging you, then they wish to detain you. This means they are unlawfully holding you against your will without being formally charged. Let them throw your ass in jail because you refuse to cooperate with providing them information. You can sue them later. The only person one should be talking to is a lawyer!
In order to be entitled to be read their Miranda rights, the individual must be in custody of and about to be interrogated by the police. However, even where Miranda rights are required, several exceptions exist rendering Miranda violations by police inconsequential. Custody “Custody” is a limitation on an individual’s freedom of action by virtue of a lawful process or authority. With regard to criminal procedure, whether a person has officially been placed in police custody is determined on an objective test basis. The test generally measures whether a “reasonable person” would believe that officer in some way suggested that they were not free to leave and custody is therefore not limited to formal arrests. The determination of what does and does not constitute custody can be subtle. It is more likely that an individual is in custody where: There is a traditional arrest and constraint (handcuffs, closed room, etc.) Detention is long and involuntary An individual is placed in hostile and unfamiliar surroundings It is less likely that an individual is in custody where: There is a routine traffic stop Detention is brief and voluntary (as in a brief field interview) The police call an individual on the telephone (since the individual is free to hang up)
And furthermore....... Suspects can waive their right to remain silent or their right to an attorney either expressly or implicitly. To expressly waive Miranda rights, the suspect would state (or sign something stating) that he or she waives the right to remain silent or the right to have an attorney present. Implied waiver means that the suspect behaves in a way that indicates a knowing and voluntary waiver of Miranda rights.
I wouldn't have done what Z did, nor would I suggest that anyone do it, however it is what he did nonetheless.
The true story of the martyrdom of Trayvon Martin For those who did not follow the trial, here is a brief summary, compiled from CBS, CNN, and MSNBC news reports: Eighth grade honor student Trayvon Martin is walking home from church, eager to do his homework. Aryan Nation member George Zimmerman is driving around in his pickup truck with Confederate flag license plate and decals. Zimmerman spots Martin in the dark by the light glowing from the little boy’s halo. The Klansman takes chase, hunting Trayvon down like a dog. The budding football star nearly outruns the racist, but he stops when he comes to a “Do Not Enter” sign. Unwilling to disobey a lawful sign, he turns to face his attacker. The child attempts to reason with his attacker, but the illiterate power-mad cop-wannabe is not inclined to listen to reason, or pleas for compassion. Despite numerous specific orders from police officers to not leave his vehicle, Zimmerman exits his truck and says, “Any last words, n****r?” “Praise Jesus. God bless you, Sir,” replies the helpless youngster. Zimmerman drags the future Nobel Peace Prize winner on top of him. A witness sees the youngster repeatedly swinging his arms, apparently attempting to make the sign of the cross. “White-Hispanic Power!” screams Zimmerman, as he empties the high-capacity clip loaded with armor-piercing hollow-point bullets from his semi-automatic assault gun with the shoulder thingy that goes up into the body. Zimmerman then fiendishly punches himself in the face, breaking his nose, and repeatedly bangs his head on the sidewalk while screaming “Help me! Help me!” which obviously is a secret racist code for “Heil Hitler.” When he is finished murdering Martin, Zimmerman gets back into his gas- guzzling, globe-warming pickup truck and makes his escape. http://www.lsrebellion.blogspot.com/ One of the problems I noticed in the Officer Smith testimony was that there was no mention of Miranda Rights when he was being taken into police custody. That's not proof that Miranada Rights were denied, just making note of it here as questionable
#67. To: Dead Culture Watch (#60)
No wonder you think TM was an innocent little child skipping home with some skittles in his hand and a song in his heart....
#68. To: purplerose (#67)
And not every neighborhood watch program endorses their citizens to patrol with concealed weapons.
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
(Edited)
Miranda isn't required when detention is brief and voluntary.
#70. To: purplerose (#69)
www.tlgattorneys.com/2012...anda-warning-is-required/
#71. To: purplerose (#69)
http://criminal.findlaw.com/crim...iving-miranda-rights.html
#72. To: purplerose (#69)
This is not true! Just because an officer directs you to the police station to "brief" you concerning a criminal matter does not mean you waive your Constitutional Rights per the Fifth Amendment and especially where you are being "detained" for a brief period. This is where all cops lie to citizens. NEVER NEVER NEVER "volunteer" information when you are being "detained". You as a citizen have every right to remain quiet because anything you say or do will be held against you in a court of law. Cops are officers of the courts. Anything you say, they record on you. Unless you have been charged with a crime, you are free to go and if the cop is asking you information relating to the crime (and you personally), you ask the cop, "Am I being charged with a crime?" If the cop does not answer you but insist on further questioning you without charging you, then they wish to detain you. This means they are unlawfully holding you against your will without being formally charged. Let them throw your ass in jail because you refuse to cooperate with providing them information. You can sue them later. The only person one should be talking to is a lawyer!
#73. To: Dead Culture Watch, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, randge, Esso, Horse (#60)
-Alex Kurtagic
#74. To: X-15 (#73)
Damn, my stomach is hurting from all that laughing.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#75. To: X-15, JD (#73)
We also have this very real possibility.... More likely than that, since there's scant evidence of a struggle on the hands of either one of them, would be GZ rendering TM unconcious somehow where he stood as he spoke to him and all the one-sided hollering heard with TM allegedly witnessed pinning him down and pummeling him during a supposed fracas a staged show as a cover-story for Z, with the point-blank gunfire the "grand finale". http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=157244&Disp=221#C221
#76. To: purplerose (#69)
Thanks for your judicious input on the Miranda Rights issue. Officer Smith's testimony did not mention any waiver signed by Zimmerman and he was handcuffed as officially "detained"/arrested. Maybe Smith thought that aspect was so routine he needn't say anything about it. Doubtful, though, since there are other oddities about his testimony. Just because an officer directs you to the police station to "brief" you concerning a criminal matter does not mean you waive your Constitutional Rights per the Fifth Amendment and especially where you are being "detained" for a brief period. This is where all cops lie to citizens. NEVER NEVER NEVER "volunteer" information when you are being "detained". You as a citizen have every right to remain quiet because anything you say or do will be held against you in a court of law. Cops are officers of the courts. Anything you say, they record on you. Unless you have been charged with a crime, you are free to go and if the cop is asking you information relating to the crime (and you personally), you ask the cop, "Am I being charged with a crime?" If the cop does not answer you but insist on further questioning you without charging you, then they wish to detain you. This means they are unlawfully holding you against your will without being formally charged. Let them throw your ass in jail because you refuse to cooperate with providing them information. You can sue them later. The only person one should be talking to is a lawyer!
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#77. To: randge (#64)
Interesting and another good reason for the State Militias to be our Neighborhood Watch officials. They're already authorized by the Constitution to do their security duties. Anyone carrying openly in FL would need a peace officer certification and would have to be in the line of duty in order to avoid a citation and/or arrest, if I'm not mistaken.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#78. To: purplerose (#65)
Since Zimmerman wasn't on-duty, the Neighborhood Watch questions of no carry/concealed carry/open carry are tangential to this case, imo, but still important to consider in that bigger group-picture. What Zimmerman did is more the picture of Janet Napalitano's "See Something, Say Something" spy/vigilante brigade but expanded to "See Something, Say Something, Do Something Else". Good point. You certainly shouldn't have to go to jail for being sensible. A Homeowners Association with a Neighborhood Watch group, though, probably has more financial concerns about liability over concealed carry. I don't know how a lawsuit was able to be filed last year against the community HOA as if they were responsible for Zimmerman's off-duty actions but it was. Agreed on all that. I grew up on firearms and living in Florida it is not unusual for residents to carry them. But this thing you mention about the Neighborhood Watch Training Program not endorsing fire arms for their patrol officers is important to consider and especially in this case.
Like I said in one of my posts, I'm all for open carry. I don't believe in getting permits. If you have to get permission from the State to carry a fire-arm, then you don't have any rights to bear arms.
But again back to the issue on this community watch, this issue about them not endorsing concealed carry is almost a joke. Just like this case is a joke. If I am following some suspect for alleged suspicious activity, and that individual turns on me and jumps on me, on a public sidewalk, I will fend them off as best I can, and if I have the chance, I'll draw out my piece and point it at them and call the cops right away. I will not shoot them because they are not in my home as this took place on a public sidewalk (which means the castle doctrine would not apply to my defense), but I will hold the gun on them until the cops get here. That's how I would have done it. I would probably go to jail charged with assault with a deadly weapon for this but at least I did not kill the individual.
The way I see this is just because you have a gun does not give you the right to abuse your rights. You take responsibility for your actions. And people like Zimmerman are giving gunowners a very bad image.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#71) (Edited)
Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police? Implied waiver means that the suspect behaves in a way that indicates a knowing and voluntary waiver of Miranda rights.
#80. To: purplerose (#79)
What does this have to do w/Zimmerman & Miranda? Wasn't that what we were discussing? Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police?
#81. To: Jethro Tull (#80)
GreyLmist mentioned the issue of Zimmerman not being read his Miranda Rights at the time he was arrested and then I discussed how police intentionally get a citizen to "volunteer" information (which also includes deadly force). I'm definitely not trying to stray away from the Zimmerman subject. Zimmerman acted like a police officer out of control of an unarmed citizen. The question I asked was legitimate as it relates to the issue concerning mis-construed implied behavior of a citizen when in an unfortunate situation and forced to comply with another person who happens to be armed with a deadly weapon and is trying to get that citizen to "volunteer" information. Instead I got a non-response. What does this have to do w/Zimmerman & Miranda? Wasn't that what we were discussing?
#82. To: purplerose (#81) (Edited)
You're entitled to your opinion, but it isn't supported by the facts that were entered into evidence. Zimmerman acted like a police officer out of control of an unarmed citizen
#83. To: purplerose (#81)
I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to say. The question I asked was legitimate as it relates to the issue concerning mis-construed implied behavior of a citizen when in an unfortunate situation and forced to comply with another person who happens to be armed with a deadly weapon and is trying to get that citizen to "volunteer" information. Instead I got a non-response.
#84. To: Jethro Tull (#83)
Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police?
#85. To: purplerose (#84)
I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police?
#86. To: purplerose, GreyLMist (#81)
have you watched this ?
#87. To: christine (#86)
(. . . crickets . . .) heh-heh have you watched this ?
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#88. To: christine (#86) (Edited)
Yes, I watched it. This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker. And if the parents have any sense in how those journalists are painting their son Trayvon, they'd sue the hell out of them for defamation of character. This video did not convince me of any new facts or anything that I do not already know about yellow journalism. Common sense dictates to my reasoning that when I see suspicious activity in my neighborhood, I am not going to go after them like some dumbass trying to be a hero even if I am armed. And I am still of the opinion that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car, he would not have been pounced on by TM. He should have stayed in his car and kept in contact with the police dispatcher and laid his ass low so that TM could not see him. Chances are the police would have arrived and sent out several spotters as backup to search the area and possibly even send in a K-9 unit and they would have caught up with TM and arrested him on suspicious activity. At least he'd still be alive and Zimmerman would still be safe from harms way.
#89. To: purplerose, christine (#88)
Da' Nile is not just a river in Egypt. ...This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker. ...
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#90. To: christine (#86) (Edited)
Yes, I have and watched it again. I think it is speculative and misleading about the Lean issue. If Trayvon had bought any soft drink like millions/billions of other people do (especially carbonated and/or caffeinated, which I don't think Arizona Watermelon drink is in either case or not much), he likely would have still been accused as a Lean Fiend by people like Whittle if he also happened to buy any hard candy. If he was trying to get buzzed up, he evidently didn't buy the optimal beverage. Afaik, Lean was originally made in Houston, Texas with Sprite and Jolly Ranchers. The candy is basically just for flavoring and a metabolism booster in conjunction with the carbonation and caffeine in soda-type soft drinks and teas or whatever (not fruit juice). DXM is a cough suppressant in numerous OTC/Over-The-Counter cough syrups. The alleged "missing ingredient" is not OTC cough syrup like Robitussin DM or Robitussin in general, as Whittle depicts at 4:09 and 4:22, but Codeine that requires a prescription. All that Trayvon's toxicology report showed was traces of THC/marijuana, probably from days before - that substance so many people (here too) want decriminalized. It is Zimmerman who stated himself in his CVSA Interview at 15:27 that he was on prescribed medications - the narcotics Aderall and Temazepam - and exhibited like "under the influence" disorientation that night before the confrontation and shooting when he claimed to the dispatcher that he had forgotten the street name. Edited sentence 3 of paragraph 1 + last sentence and punctuation. have you watched this ?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#91. To: purplerose (#88)
Good point. His online account could have been manipulated too. This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#92. To: All (#90) (Edited)
A comment about Whittle at the YouTube site: Another comment there: And some from a discussion here: "It’s basically drawing a line “Skittles=criminal=ok to put to death.” "Assuming that every black kid that buys a watermelon fruit drink is actually buying the ingredients for a cheap high is as ridicul[ou]s as assuming that white guy buying corn on the cob at the grocery store must be buying the ingredients to make moonshine." "Listen: I’m a bio major that minored in biochemistry…and whatever drug or intoxicant you think you can make with Skittles, let me assure you; you’re wrong. You could maybe, and I do mean maybe, make alcohol with it if you had a still, months, and were willing to spend many times what beer costs. That’s it." "I work at Rite Aid. It is illegal to sell anyone under the age of 18 and without proper identification, cough syrup or any medical medication of any kind. Children can not purchase cough syrup at a pharmacy..this isn’t a state law it’s a federal law and if your child is able to get their hands on cough syrup from ANY store without being carded then that store needs to be reported." "So we’ve officially established in this country that if you don’t like someone, for whatever reason, just stalk and provoke them until they punch you (out of their own self defense) and then shoot them. Good to know." Edited first line after 2nd link. Whittle
"I used to snort cocaine in a three piece suit......Bill Whittle has HALF of the things needed to snort cocaine."
"Lysol is used in Crystal Meth but I dont see anyone attacking Soccer Moms for it"
"The Skittles are 100% irrelevant. This is slander of the worst sort."
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#93. To: purplerose, 4 (#88) (Edited)
He should have stayed in bed and ate Fritos all day, but court cases aren't tried on 'should haves.' Instead, trials are decided on admitted evidence and part of that evidence is what you acknowledge in your #88; TM pounced on Z, an act which set in motion the final moments of life. This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar toolsHe should have stayed in his car and kept in contact with the police
#94. To: purplerose (#88)
GZ claimed he was pounced on by TM but there is no actual evidence of that -- just GZ's story. I am still of the opinion that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car, he would not have been pounced on by TM.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#95. To: GreyLmist (#92)
No, it's the White guy buying a 50 lb bag of sugar that is making moonshine, especially if he's loading it into a ratty old pickup truck. That's called PROFILING. assuming that white guy buying corn on the cob at the grocery store must be buying the ingredients to make moonshine."
-Alex Kurtagic
#96. To: Original_Intent, purplerose (#89)
Ain't that the truth!?!? Rose, seek help before you climb a tower somewhere and start shooting indiscriminately. Some of the comments you have made about this case make it seem that the sun on your home planet may not be the same color as ours. Da' Nile is not just a river in Egypt.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#97. To: GreyLmist (#92)
Yeah, sure thing. And people under 21 never get to buy any beer or cigarettes and never, ever get into nightclubs. No way, no how, because that would be illegal and no one does anything illegal. Uh huh. I work at Rite Aid. It is illegal to sell anyone under the age of 18 and without proper identification, cough syrup or any medical medication of any kind. Children can not purchase cough syrup at a pharmacy...
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar tools Good points. And they have seen all that about why Saint Skittles wasn't charged with the stolen property and have chosen to overlook it because it does not fit their fairy tale of the innocent young black "child" who was murdered by a racist "white Hispanic." They have to know that their arguments are bs and just keep on and on but for what? He should have stayed in bed and ate Fritos all day, but court cases aren't tried on 'should haves.' Instead, trials are decided on admitted evidence and part of that evidence is what you acknowledge in your #88; TM pounced on Z, an act which set in motion the final moments of life.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#98)
Lack of quality psychotropic meds? They have to know that their arguments are bs and just keep on and on but for what?
#100. To: Jethro Tull (#99)
That explanation would be about as good as any I guess. Apparently some folks have to get the shit beat out of them by some thug like Saint Skittles before they understand that you can't reason with them and pretend they will stop being thugs if you just ask them nicely.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#101. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
When some TM defenders float the preposterous conspiracy theories we both have read, an increase in meds is a legitimate suggestion. I'm talking mental illness on full display. No other disconnect to reality makes sense to me.
#102. To: Jethro Tull (#101)
Yeah, like that about how Saint Skittles was rendered unconscious by Zimmerman and I asked, and never got any reply, if Zimmerman used the Vulcan Death Grip on him to render him unconscious. And other ludicrous things that otherwise sane people wouldn't even entertain for the few seconds it would take to say them. When some TM defenders float the preposterous conspiracy theories we both have read,
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#103. To: James Deffenbach (#102)
LOL! Yep, TM was rendered unconscious by Z, then dragged to the staging area, propped up on top of Z by Z, as Z screamed for help. This, incidentally, was done with such skill that a neighbor, John Good, couldn't detect the ruse from 20' away. You can't make this stuff up, but obviously I'm wrong. Vulcan Death Grip
#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)
We have been subjected to much bs in the name of Saint Skittles.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#105. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#97) (Edited)
And juries always get it right, huh? Not. Why are people acting as if Zimmerman's aquittal is some sort of race contest trophy? He made a point of distancing himself from "Whites" as a Hispanic-American towards the end of his Hannity interview. I don't think the verdict was correct but, even if it were, it couldn't do anything to undo all the other judicial and media injustices. Which reminds me on account of the fruit juice issue in this case that the nickname of Trayvon's dad is "Juice", like O.J. Simpson's. Just making note of that here. Edited for an apostrophe correction + 1st sentence of last paragraph. that would be illegal and no one does anything illegal. Uh huh.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#106. To: Jethro Tull (#93) (Edited)
And the reason why TM pounced on Zimmerman was because Zimmerman was following TM. Why do you and others like James insist on omitting this very important fact? If somebody were following me with a loaded pistol, I'm going to kill them! You do realize there are a lot of perverts running loose on our streets and that child kidnapping happens quite frequently?
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