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Title: New Mural In Florida’s Capitol Building Shows Zimmerman Shooting Trayvon Martin
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URL Source: http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/ ... -in-floridas-capitol-building/
Published: Aug 11, 2013
Author: Kristin Tate
Post Date: 2013-08-11 08:56:15 by James Deffenbach
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Views: 1500
Comments: 127
A huge new mural called “We Are All Trayvon Martin” was unveiled in the Florida State Capitol. It was created by a Miami artist who is clearly very sympathetic towards Martin. Artist Huong unveiled the creation during a sit-in to protest Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law. (Stand your ground had absolutely nothing to do with this case. Effin' idiot). Poster Comment: Alternate title: George Zimmerman now set for another defamation suit against an alleged "artist" who has to know better. At least if she had paid any attention at all to the trial she would have. The man was found NOT GUILTY and for good reason. He was attacked and defended himself. Case closed. George Zimmerman should sue the "artist" as well as whoever approved putting this pos in the Capitol Building. I hope he sues their asses and breaks them from doing stuff like this. Titled, “We Are All Trayvon Martin,” the painting shows Zimmerman firing a gun at a hoodie-wearing figure. The painting features a mirror to signify that the shooting could have happened to anyone. There is also an image of Martin Luther King Jr. with blood trickling down his head.
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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
What meathead allowed that dreck be displayed?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
If you say so... "If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'" Would that be Thu Huong? corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
I don't know anything more about her than I posted. I think I did say she was an idiot, didn't I?
Paul Craig Roberts
I have no idea but the Z man should have his lawyers finding out who did. Paul Craig Roberts
I didn't say so. The idiot who painted the mural did. I disagree with her. I am not Trayvon Martin since I am not a thug going around looking for "creepy ass crackers" to give a beat down. Paul Craig Roberts
Well said.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I knows dat. Just thinkin' this particular meme might backfire. "If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'" Thanks, Sir Loddy.
Paul Craig Roberts
I doubt anyone hopes it will backfire on the idiot any more fervently than I do. Paul Craig Roberts
There needs to be a response to this kind of cheap demagoguery. I haven't figured out what it is yet. Maybe an animation vid of two blacks beating a white guy within an inch of his life with a hammer and stealing his car. Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
Ah, the radical left. “Stand your ground” laws, to them, should be "run away if you can" laws, or "stand put and be maimed" laws. Seriously, screw these a$$holes.
Can't we all be Reginald Denny???
#2. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
We Are All Trayvon Martin
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#3. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Artist Huong unveiled the creation during a sit-in to protest Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law.
#4. To: Dakmar (#3)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#5. To: Lod (#1)
What meathead allowed that dreck be displayed?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#6. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#2)
If you say so...
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#6)
#8. To: James Deffenbach (#6)
I didn't say so.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#9. To: Lod (#7)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#10. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#8)
I knows dat. Just thinkin' this particular meme might backfire.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#11. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#12. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Artist Huong unveiled the creation during a sit-in to protest Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law.
#13. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
“We Are All Trayvon Martin”
-Alex Kurtagic
#14. To: randge (#11)
What about a mural of those poor, innocent Trayvon's (three of the rat bastards) beating the white kid up on the bus about a month ago? Surely that deserves a mural too? I haven't figured out what it is yet. Maybe an animation vid of two blacks beating a white guy within an inch of his life with a hammer and stealing his car.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#15. To: X-15 (#13)
I doubt Reginald Denny knows where he is with the kind of beat down he got from those poor, innocent, oppressed young black males.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#16. To: James Deffenbach (#14)
There is an excess of generosity in this country to put it mildly. Reginald Oliver Denny (born January 22, 1956), 36 years old at the time, was a construction truck driver. On the first day of the rioting, Denny was attacked by four men, pulled from his truck and brutally beaten, sustaining serious head injuries and other injuries. As a result of the injuries he suffered during the attacks, Denny had to undergo years of rehabilitative therapy, and his speech and ability to walk were permanently damaged.[1] After the 1993 trial of his assailants, he appeared on the Phil Donahue Show to shake hands with one of the assailants, Henry Keith Watson, after he apologized to Denny for the attacks. Denny largely avoids the media and rarely speaks about his ordeal. As of 2007, he works independently as a boat motor mechanic in Lake Havasu City, Arizona, where he moved after an unsuccessful lawsuit against the City of Los Angeles.[1] Henry Keith "Kiki" Watson was a 27-year-old former U.S. Marine and an ex- convict who had served time for robbery. After his release from prison, he married, had children, and was working two jobs. According to Williams, Watson was known around the neighborhood as a "gentleman"[citation needed]. After he was freed from jail in 1993, he appeared on The Phil Donahue Show and apologized to Denny for the attacks. Later, he would serve three years in prison for a narcotics conviction. Fifteen years after the attacks, Watson said during an interview: "Nobody specifically sought out Reginald Denny to cause him any harm. We got caught up in the moment, just like everyone else." As of 2007, Watson still lives in Los Angeles and operates his own limousine service. [Wiki]
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#17. To: randge (#16)
Yes, and here is a good article about Reginald Denny too. www.time.com/time/special...1614084_1614511%2C00.html It's too bad he didn't have a street sweeper shotgun or an AK or SKS in his truck. Or a 357 magnum handgun. If he had and shot the first one that tried to open his door the rest of them would probably have heard mama calling them and run right on home to see what mama needed.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#18. To: James Deffenbach, randge, JT, shooters, 4 (#17)
Many times these street-rats will flee when they discover that their potential victim(s) are capable of sending them to that great rat-hole in the sky.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#19. To: James Deffenbach, Lod (#17)
All of these shocking crimes occurred in Sanford within one year of the Trayvon incident. topconservativenews.com/2...nt-underclass-in-sanford- florida/
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#20. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
They are admitting they are all thieves and assaulters? OK, nice to know.
God is always good!
#21. To: randge (#19)
Damn - what a link.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#22. To: Lod, Ricky J, randge, JD, 4um (#21)
This dude is thinking clearly, IMO.
#23. To: All, X-15 (#22)
Bump to #22.
#24. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#22)
I just concluded that had TM not been "talking" to the lovely Rachael, he prolly wouldn't have had the inspiration to attack Z.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
Jungle troop spokesperson paints a fairly accurate picture:
-Alex Kurtagic
#26. To: X-15 (#25)
Impressive shooting for anyone - thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#27. To: All (#26)
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#28. To: All (#27)
Uh-oh. I hate this.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#29. To: randge (#19)
topconservativenews.com/2...nt-underclass-in-sanford- florida/ Is this what they mean by "Justice for Trayvon?" If so then people better be prepared to fight these savages. All of these shocking crimes occurred in Sanford within one year of the Trayvon incident.
God is always good!
#30. To: Lod (#18)
Indeed. They soon enough figure out they have pressing bidness elsewhere if someone shows them the business end of the instrument that will send them to said rat hole. Many times these street-rats will flee when they discover that their potential victim(s) are capable of sending them to that great rat-hole in the sky.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#31. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#32. To: Big Meanie (#31)
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#33. To: All (#32)
Huh!?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#34. To: Big Meanie (#31) (Edited)
All these people wanting "Justice for Trayvon" are not racists, some of them might be, but many of them are only going on what they have heard in the established media and for that reason they think that Zimmerman shot Trayvon just for being black and out at night. Some of these people probably have faced real discrimination in their lives and can readily believe that Zimmerman was only following Trayvon because he was black. I highly doubt that is the case with Zimmerman, but when you only get slanted news to go by, combined with personal instances of racism directed at you, then I can understand why they would think Trayvon was murdered. The media is knowingly using propaganda combined with physiological profiling of blacks to try to cause riots. If we can't break through the lies of the media and get the truth out about many important issues, then this country is finished, if it isn't already. Lies and the ability of people to readily accept those lies from government institutions and established mass media outlets, are some of this nation's biggest threats to its survival. Blacks, Whites, Hispanics and Asians can all live together peacefully if the truth is reported instead of lies on constant basis. Those that rule over us have an incentive to keep us divided with lies, it takes the focus off of them, the number one trouble makers in this nation.
God is always good!
#35. To: James Deffenbach, Lod, All, including the Sheeple, *US INDUSTRIAL WAR MACHINE* (#0)
Edward Bernays would applaud. The next one is a little longer but carefully recounts the facts of the Martin/Zimmerman Case.
The Doors of Perception: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything (Long meaty essay)
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#36. To: X-15, James Deffenbach, all (#13)
Can't we all be Reginald Denny??? No Fair! The painting is a work of creative It's just not right! “We Are All Trayvon Martin”
PsyOps fiction, and the picture of Reginald Denny (who was just driving his truck through da 'hood) is reality.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#37. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
If I was Zimmerman I would sue the hell out of her and everyone involved.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
#38. To: RickyJ, Big Meanie (#34)
Thank you! All these people wanting "Justice for Trayvon" are not racists, some of them might be, but many of them are only going on what they have heard in the established media and for that reason they think that Zimmerman shot Trayvon just for being black and out at night.
#39. To: purplerose (#38)
In other words, uninformed, reactionary, morons who don't know a thing about the facts of the case. All these people wanting "Justice for Trayvon" are not racists, some of them might be, but many of them are only going on what they have heard in the established media and for that reason they think that Zimmerman shot Trayvon just for being black and out at night.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#40. To: Lod, GreyLmist (#39) (Edited)
Below is a piece of info that made me think there's more that we are not being told. -------------- See GreyLmist's post #157 “Turns out that he wasn't even acting as an on-duty Neighborhood Watch Patrol that night and, reportedly, the HOA/Homeowners Association stated that they aren't supposed to be armed there.” http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...tNum=157244&Disp=165#C165 In other words, uninformed, reactionary, morons who don't know a thing about the facts of the case.
#41. To: purplerose (#40)
There are so many conflicting stories out there - from "we asked GZ if he would be the (armed) watchman" to whatever, I'm losing interest in this case. Bottom line - GZ was protecting himself from a life-threatening assault. Dude is not guilty. I'm readying for the next one. Manual rapes here in Texas should get as much attention...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#42. To: Original_Intent (#36)
What, you aren't feeling any multi-generational guilt for oppressing Shitavius and Rastus and Shaniqua for the last 400 years?? Hmmph! Next thing, you'll be asking why the gas chambers of Hitler's death camps only had creaky, wooden- framed screen doors to seal in the Zyklon-B.
-Alex Kurtagic
#43. To: randge (#19)
Thanks randge. A good article for the unbelievers I guess.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#44. To: Big Meanie (#31)
Not one more black life? Saint Skittles should have asked himself what value, if any, he placed on his own life and if it was more valuable than the street cred he would have gotten for injuring or killing whitey.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#45. To: Original_Intent, Big Meanie (#35)
Those people holding the signs like the one Big Meanie posted and the ones clamoring about the stand your ground law(s) don't give a damn about any facts, they don't want to be confused. They know what they believe and that is good enough for them. The next one is a little longer but carefully recounts the facts of the Martin/Zimmerman Case.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#46. To: Turtle (#37)
You and I are in complete agreement on that one, Turtle. If I was Zimmerman I would sue the hell out of her and everyone involved.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#47. To: X-15 (#42)
What about Fried Chickenisha, Tawanda, Lavonda, Yonell and Tyrell? You left them out and I suspect did it on purpose. That bese rayciss!!! What, you aren't feeling any multi-generational guilt for oppressing Shitavius and Rastus and Shaniqua for the last 400 years??
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#48. To: Lod (#28)
I hate this. Well it's been 8 1/2 hours. Did you get one yet. Uh-oh.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#49. To: purplerose (#40)
-------------- See GreyLmist's post #157 “Turns out that he wasn't even acting as an on-duty Neighborhood Watch Patrol that night and, reportedly, the HOA/Homeowners Association stated that they aren't supposed to be armed there.” http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...tNum=157244&Disp=165#C165 The Twin Lakes Retreat Neighborhood Watch group is apparently unregistered, with HOA standards of its own, but its Homeowners Association President agrees with the Training Program not to act as the police. Some sources on that and Zimmerman being off-duty: Interactive map: The Trayvon Martin killing Your Zimmerman questions answered in 15 seconds! -- video at 1:04-1:28 | HOA rules + Training Program Zimmerman Trial Day 2 – Analysis of State’s Witnesses: Donald O’Brien, President Twin Lakes Home Owners Association - 7.5 minute YouTube of court testimony from 6:00 on the Neighborhood Watch Program (the "stucco guys" crew discussed starting at 2:50 were not part of the HOA's Neighborhood Watch group and are not said to have been armed) George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization Below is a piece of info that made me think there's more that we are not being told.
His lawyers have indicated that they will pursue a self-defense strategy, arguing that Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who was off-duty, was protecting himself in a confrontation with the teenager.
1. ...Zimmerman volunteered for his neighborhood watch group, but he was not on duty the night of Martin’s death. ...
When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman’s claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#50. To: Hmmmmm (#48)
heheh - no, I got a grip instead. But it surely is sweet.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#51. To: Lod (#41)
Bottom line - GZ was protecting himself from a life-threatening assault. Dude is not guilty. I'm readying for the next one. Manual rapes here in Texas should get as much attention... i agree.... There are so many conflicting stories out there - from "we asked GZ if he would be the (armed) watchman" to whatever, I'm losing interest in this case.
#52. To: GreyLmist (#49)
When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman’s claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon. Very very interesting information. I am well informed about neighborhood watch programs and usually when a person is involved with such a program, they are registered and recognized by that agency as well as local police departments, sheriffs, and their neighborhood. George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization
#53. To: purplerose (#52)
Dorival, a civilian with the Sanford police department, was volunteering as a coordinator because she believed in neighborhood watch programs. She would do presentations to those wanting to start such programs. She said she is still at the police department but in a different position. Dorival testified that in fall 2011, she visited Zimmerman and other residents at the housing complex to discuss setting up a watch program. During her testimony, prosecutor Guy focused on her instructions to residents about how to behave when they spotted a suspicious person. “Their duty is to be the eyes and ears. Report crime as they see it,” said Dorival, adding that she provided handouts stressing this and also explained it verbally during the meeting. Zimmerman was there as the neighborhood watch coordinator, a role he told Dorival had been assigned him by the president of the homeowners' association. articles.latimes.com/2013...ighborhood-watch-20130625
#54. To: purplerose (#52)
This case is an example of why the State Militias should be in charge of Neighborhood Watch patrols, imo. Very very interesting information. I am well informed about neighborhood watch programs and usually when a person is involved with such a program, they are registered and recognized by that agency as well as local police departments, sheriffs, and their neighborhood.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#55. To: James Deffenbach, All (#43)
You're welcome, James, belatedly. I did some digging on the Sanford hammer beating attack on Mr. Mark Slavin. I thought I'd share what I found out. The case wouldn’t leave me alone for a number of reasons, one of which was the savagery of the attack. The man's skull was fractured in 51 places. Another reason was the total press blackout on the crime and the consequences. Looking at the case information for the assailants/perps/accused Julius Bender and Yahaziel Israel, it’s revealed that these two animals were arrested on 03/30/2012. They were charged with 1) armed burglary of a dwelling/structure 2) attempted first degree murder 3) burglary of a conveyance with battery and 4) carjacking with a deadly weapon. Israel was charged with possession of more than 20 grams of cocaine at the time of his arrest and has a rap sheet that includes domestic violence, escape, battery upon a police officer, resisting an officer with viokence, criminal mischief, all within the last three and a half years in Seminole County. Israel's father is a local leader of the “Nation of Yahweh.” www.seminole clerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp? CaseNo=592012CF000953A Bender appears to have no other criminal history in Seminole County. His case was before Judge Debra S. Nelson, but both of these cases are now before Judge Marlene M. Alva. A confession by Bender was suppressed. Amazingly Israel made bond for $100,000 but was returned to custody three days later. www.seminole clerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_lookup.jsp? CaseYear=&CourtType=__&CaseSeq=&LastName=Bender&FirstName=Julius I found the comment below today at wftv.com Channel 9 dated last April. Cops: Man beaten with hammer, 2 arrested • comment (22) • Posted by smrtgrl80 at 6:33 p.m. Apr. 16, 2012 • Report Abuse This man is a former co-worker of mine who will likely die. He is a good person who has children and people who care for him...this was a horrible crime commited by 2 black males against a white male and yet there is no outcry for him!! No news conferences or special proscecutors for him! I am outraged that they have not been charged with any hate crimes!! www.wftv.com/news/news/de...-beat-another-man-hammer- sanford/nMHW6/ The case notes for May of last year say in part: 05/22/2012 PLNG (1)ATTEMPTED FIRST DEGREE PREMEDITATED MURDER - RECLASSIFIED 782.04(1)(A)(1) Looks like these cases are still at trial and a plea deal has been reached. Whatever has been hammered out in judge’s chambers is a state secret as far as the press is concerned. 782.04 of the Florida Statutes reads “Murder.—(1)(a) The unlawful killing of a human being: 1. When perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person killed or any human being.” So it appears that Mr. Slavin passed last May. There was not a word in the nightly news, not a newscrawler, no comment from the squawking heads. Nothing. There you are.
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#56. To: Jethro Tull, GreyLmist (#53)
Is this true, GreyLmist? The part about the President of the Homeowners Association assigning Zimmerman the role as Neighborhood Watch Coordinator? Does that also mean Zimmmerman had a right to carry a concealed weapon to take on that role? “Their duty is to be the eyes and ears. Report crime as they see it,” said Dorival, adding that she provided handouts stressing this and also explained it verbally during the meeting. Zimmerman was there as the neighborhood watch coordinator, a role he told Dorival had been assigned him by the president of the homeowners' association.
#57. To: randge (#55)
Of course no one was charged with any "hate crimes." Apparently only white people can commit those. At least that is what you would be led to believe if you paid much attention to the msm and the "black leaders" like Sharpton and Jackson. It's a damned shame that there is such a blatant double standard. This man is a former co-worker of mine who will likely die. He is a good person who has children and people who care for him...this was a horrible crime commited by 2 black males against a white male and yet there is no outcry for him!! No news conferences or special proscecutors for him! I am outraged that they have not been charged with any hate crimes!!
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#58. To: purplerose (#56)
Here's Wendy Dorival's court testimony. Zimmerman wasn't acting as part of a Neighborhood Watch team that Sunday evening. He was on his way to Target for groceries. He was legally armed and perfectly within his rights to get out of his truck and follow TM (especially given the recent rash of crime in his development). TM could have called 911 and reported it, but he chose not to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN0QoiSzCJQ
#59. To: randge (#55)
Thanks randge. This is an all too typical example of the racial media bias against Whites that most of us know to be true. The MSM narrative that buries these awful stories runs deep and wide and only serves to foster anger and mistrust in people with open minds.
#60. To: purplerose (#56)
Wow, your last question really shows how little you know about anything. No wonder you think TM was an innocent little child skipping home with some skittles in his hand and a song in his heart.... Is this true, GreyLmist? The part about the President of the Homeowners Association assigning Zimmerman the role as Neighborhood Watch Coordinator? Does that also mean Zimmmerman had a right to carry a concealed weapon to take on that role?
"The Best Way to Control the Opposition is to Lead it." Vladimir Lenin "I am not a Marxist." Karl Marx
#61. To: Dead Culture Watch (#60)
Not one TM supporter realizes that the Sanford PD had a Citizen on Patrol program that was far different than the Neighborhood Watch. The COP program, offered to Z and rejected by him, wore a uniform and patrolled in a marked car. The Neighborhood Watch didn't patrol and instead observed and reported. There's a link a few posts (Wendy Dorival) above if anyone cares to learn about this aspect of the case before emoting.
#62. To: Dead Culture Watch (#60)
hey there, DCW! it's great to see you again. i miss your participation. i hope all is well with you.
#63. To: purplerose (#56) (Edited)
Is this true, GreyLmist? The part about the President of the Homeowners Association assigning Zimmerman the role as Neighborhood Watch Coordinator? Does that also mean Zimmmerman had a right to carry a concealed weapon to take on that role? I think Zimmerman was called the Coordinator because he was involved with organzing the Neighborhood Watch program there from the beginning and was a block-Captain recruiter. He was referred to in a newsletter as "our Captain" to contact after the police on crime issues, etc. Zimmerman was not on duty that night so the Neighborhood Watch protocols are not pertinent to the issue. His right to be armed and carry concealed is not in question Constitutionally or according to Florida State Law. I don't know what that community's firearms/concealed carry rules were for on-duty Watch persons but that is reportedly not something that the official Neighborhood Watch Training Program endorses. I believe they should be armed for their protection but carry openly. One of the problems I noticed in the Officer Smith testimony was that there was no mention of Miranda Rights when he was being taken into police custody. That's not proof that Miranada Rights were denied, just making note of it here as questionable. Edited next to last sentence of paragraph 1. “Their duty is to be the eyes and ears. Report crime as they see it,” said Dorival, adding that she provided handouts stressing this and also explained it verbally during the meeting. Zimmerman was there as the neighborhood watch coordinator, a role he told Dorival had been assigned him by the president of the homeowners' association.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#64. To: GreyLmist (#63)
Anyone carrying openly in FL would need a peace officer certification and would have to be in the line of duty in order to avoid a citation and/or arrest, if I'm not mistaken. I believe they should be armed for their protection but carry openly.
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#65. To: GreyLmist (#63)
I grew up on firearms and living in Florida it is not unusual for residents to carry them. But this thing you mention about the Neighborhood Watch Training Program not endorsing fire arms for their patrol officers is important to consider and especially in this case. Like I said in one of my posts, I'm all for open carry. I don't believe in getting permits. If you have to get permission from the State to carry a fire-arm, then you don't have any rights to bear arms. But again back to the issue on this community watch, this issue about them not endorsing concealed carry is almost a joke. Just like this case is a joke. If I am following some suspect for alleged suspicious activity, and that individual turns on me and jumps on me, on a public sidewalk, I will fend them off as best I can, and if I have the chance, I'll draw out my piece and point it at them and call the cops right away. I will not shoot them because they are not in my home as this took place on a public sidewalk (which means the castle doctrine would not apply to my defense), but I will hold the gun on them until the cops get here. That's how I would have done it. I would probably go to jail charged with assault with a deadly weapon for this but at least I did not kill the individual. The way I see this is just because you have a gun does not give you the right to abuse your rights. You take responsibility for your actions. And people like Zimmerman are giving gunowners a very bad image. I don't know what that community's firearms/concealed carry rules were for on-duty Watch persons but that is reportedly not something that the official Neighborhood Watch Training Program endorses. I believe they should be armed for their protection but carry openly.
#66. To: GreyLmist, purplerose (#63)
Miranda isn't required when detention is brief and voluntary. One of the problems I noticed in the Officer Smith testimony was that there was no mention of Miranda Rights when he was being taken into police custody. That's not proof that Miranada Rights were denied, just making note of it here as questionable
#67. To: Dead Culture Watch (#60)
TM was unarmed. Zimmerman was not. And not every neighborhood watch program endorses their citizens to patrol with concealed weapons. No wonder you think TM was an innocent little child skipping home with some skittles in his hand and a song in his heart....
#68. To: purplerose (#67)
Zs neighborhood watch didn't patrol. The Sanford PD had a separate program for people who wanted to patrol. It was called Citizens on Patrol (COP). Z declined an offer to participate in that program, odd for a man who was painted as a cop "wannabe." And not every neighborhood watch program endorses their citizens to patrol with concealed weapons.
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#66) (Edited)
This is not true! Just because an officer directs you to the police station to "brief" you concerning a criminal matter does not mean you waive your Constitutional Rights per the Fifth Amendment and especially where you are being "detained" for a brief period. This is where all cops lie to citizens. NEVER NEVER NEVER "volunteer" information when you are being "detained". You as a citizen have every right to remain quiet because anything you say or do will be held against you in a court of law. Cops are officers of the courts. Anything you say, they record on you. Unless you have been charged with a crime, you are free to go and if the cop is asking you information relating to the crime (and you personally), you ask the cop, "Am I being charged with a crime?" If the cop does not answer you but insist on further questioning you without charging you, then they wish to detain you. This means they are unlawfully holding you against your will without being formally charged. Let them throw your ass in jail because you refuse to cooperate with providing them information. You can sue them later. The only person one should be talking to is a lawyer! Miranda isn't required when detention is brief and voluntary.
#70. To: purplerose (#69)
In order to be entitled to be read their Miranda rights, the individual must be in custody of and about to be interrogated by the police. However, even where Miranda rights are required, several exceptions exist rendering Miranda violations by police inconsequential. Custody “Custody” is a limitation on an individual’s freedom of action by virtue of a lawful process or authority. With regard to criminal procedure, whether a person has officially been placed in police custody is determined on an objective test basis. The test generally measures whether a “reasonable person” would believe that officer in some way suggested that they were not free to leave and custody is therefore not limited to formal arrests. The determination of what does and does not constitute custody can be subtle. It is more likely that an individual is in custody where: There is a traditional arrest and constraint (handcuffs, closed room, etc.) Detention is long and involuntary An individual is placed in hostile and unfamiliar surroundings It is less likely that an individual is in custody where: There is a routine traffic stop Detention is brief and voluntary (as in a brief field interview) The police call an individual on the telephone (since the individual is free to hang up) www.tlgattorneys.com/2012...anda-warning-is-required/
#71. To: purplerose (#69)
And furthermore....... Suspects can waive their right to remain silent or their right to an attorney either expressly or implicitly. To expressly waive Miranda rights, the suspect would state (or sign something stating) that he or she waives the right to remain silent or the right to have an attorney present. Implied waiver means that the suspect behaves in a way that indicates a knowing and voluntary waiver of Miranda rights.http://criminal.findlaw.com/crim...iving-miranda-rights.html
#72. To: purplerose (#69)
I wouldn't have done what Z did, nor would I suggest that anyone do it, however it is what he did nonetheless. This is not true! Just because an officer directs you to the police station to "brief" you concerning a criminal matter does not mean you waive your Constitutional Rights per the Fifth Amendment and especially where you are being "detained" for a brief period. This is where all cops lie to citizens. NEVER NEVER NEVER "volunteer" information when you are being "detained". You as a citizen have every right to remain quiet because anything you say or do will be held against you in a court of law. Cops are officers of the courts. Anything you say, they record on you. Unless you have been charged with a crime, you are free to go and if the cop is asking you information relating to the crime (and you personally), you ask the cop, "Am I being charged with a crime?" If the cop does not answer you but insist on further questioning you without charging you, then they wish to detain you. This means they are unlawfully holding you against your will without being formally charged. Let them throw your ass in jail because you refuse to cooperate with providing them information. You can sue them later. The only person one should be talking to is a lawyer!
#73. To: Dead Culture Watch, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, randge, Esso, Horse (#60)
The true story of the martyrdom of Trayvon Martin For those who did not follow the trial, here is a brief summary, compiled from CBS, CNN, and MSNBC news reports: Eighth grade honor student Trayvon Martin is walking home from church, eager to do his homework. Aryan Nation member George Zimmerman is driving around in his pickup truck with Confederate flag license plate and decals. Zimmerman spots Martin in the dark by the light glowing from the little boy’s halo. The Klansman takes chase, hunting Trayvon down like a dog. The budding football star nearly outruns the racist, but he stops when he comes to a “Do Not Enter” sign. Unwilling to disobey a lawful sign, he turns to face his attacker. The child attempts to reason with his attacker, but the illiterate power-mad cop-wannabe is not inclined to listen to reason, or pleas for compassion. Despite numerous specific orders from police officers to not leave his vehicle, Zimmerman exits his truck and says, “Any last words, n****r?” “Praise Jesus. God bless you, Sir,” replies the helpless youngster. Zimmerman drags the future Nobel Peace Prize winner on top of him. A witness sees the youngster repeatedly swinging his arms, apparently attempting to make the sign of the cross. “White-Hispanic Power!” screams Zimmerman, as he empties the high-capacity clip loaded with armor-piercing hollow-point bullets from his semi-automatic assault gun with the shoulder thingy that goes up into the body. Zimmerman then fiendishly punches himself in the face, breaking his nose, and repeatedly bangs his head on the sidewalk while screaming “Help me! Help me!” which obviously is a secret racist code for “Heil Hitler.” When he is finished murdering Martin, Zimmerman gets back into his gas- guzzling, globe-warming pickup truck and makes his escape. http://www.lsrebellion.blogspot.com/
-Alex Kurtagic
#74. To: X-15 (#73)
Damn, my stomach is hurting from all that laughing.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#75. To: X-15, JD (#73)
We also have this very real possibility.... More likely than that, since there's scant evidence of a struggle on the hands of either one of them, would be GZ rendering TM unconcious somehow where he stood as he spoke to him and all the one-sided hollering heard with TM allegedly witnessed pinning him down and pummeling him during a supposed fracas a staged show as a cover-story for Z, with the point-blank gunfire the "grand finale". http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=157244&Disp=221#C221
#76. To: purplerose (#69)
Thanks for your judicious input on the Miranda Rights issue. Officer Smith's testimony did not mention any waiver signed by Zimmerman and he was handcuffed as officially "detained"/arrested. Maybe Smith thought that aspect was so routine he needn't say anything about it. Doubtful, though, since there are other oddities about his testimony. Just because an officer directs you to the police station to "brief" you concerning a criminal matter does not mean you waive your Constitutional Rights per the Fifth Amendment and especially where you are being "detained" for a brief period. This is where all cops lie to citizens. NEVER NEVER NEVER "volunteer" information when you are being "detained". You as a citizen have every right to remain quiet because anything you say or do will be held against you in a court of law. Cops are officers of the courts. Anything you say, they record on you. Unless you have been charged with a crime, you are free to go and if the cop is asking you information relating to the crime (and you personally), you ask the cop, "Am I being charged with a crime?" If the cop does not answer you but insist on further questioning you without charging you, then they wish to detain you. This means they are unlawfully holding you against your will without being formally charged. Let them throw your ass in jail because you refuse to cooperate with providing them information. You can sue them later. The only person one should be talking to is a lawyer!
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#77. To: randge (#64)
Interesting and another good reason for the State Militias to be our Neighborhood Watch officials. They're already authorized by the Constitution to do their security duties. Anyone carrying openly in FL would need a peace officer certification and would have to be in the line of duty in order to avoid a citation and/or arrest, if I'm not mistaken.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#78. To: purplerose (#65)
Since Zimmerman wasn't on-duty, the Neighborhood Watch questions of no carry/concealed carry/open carry are tangential to this case, imo, but still important to consider in that bigger group-picture. What Zimmerman did is more the picture of Janet Napalitano's "See Something, Say Something" spy/vigilante brigade but expanded to "See Something, Say Something, Do Something Else". Good point. You certainly shouldn't have to go to jail for being sensible. A Homeowners Association with a Neighborhood Watch group, though, probably has more financial concerns about liability over concealed carry. I don't know how a lawsuit was able to be filed last year against the community HOA as if they were responsible for Zimmerman's off-duty actions but it was. Agreed on all that. I grew up on firearms and living in Florida it is not unusual for residents to carry them. But this thing you mention about the Neighborhood Watch Training Program not endorsing fire arms for their patrol officers is important to consider and especially in this case.
Like I said in one of my posts, I'm all for open carry. I don't believe in getting permits. If you have to get permission from the State to carry a fire-arm, then you don't have any rights to bear arms.
But again back to the issue on this community watch, this issue about them not endorsing concealed carry is almost a joke. Just like this case is a joke. If I am following some suspect for alleged suspicious activity, and that individual turns on me and jumps on me, on a public sidewalk, I will fend them off as best I can, and if I have the chance, I'll draw out my piece and point it at them and call the cops right away. I will not shoot them because they are not in my home as this took place on a public sidewalk (which means the castle doctrine would not apply to my defense), but I will hold the gun on them until the cops get here. That's how I would have done it. I would probably go to jail charged with assault with a deadly weapon for this but at least I did not kill the individual.
The way I see this is just because you have a gun does not give you the right to abuse your rights. You take responsibility for your actions. And people like Zimmerman are giving gunowners a very bad image.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#71) (Edited)
Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police? Implied waiver means that the suspect behaves in a way that indicates a knowing and voluntary waiver of Miranda rights.
#80. To: purplerose (#79)
What does this have to do w/Zimmerman & Miranda? Wasn't that what we were discussing? Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police?
#81. To: Jethro Tull (#80)
GreyLmist mentioned the issue of Zimmerman not being read his Miranda Rights at the time he was arrested and then I discussed how police intentionally get a citizen to "volunteer" information (which also includes deadly force). I'm definitely not trying to stray away from the Zimmerman subject. Zimmerman acted like a police officer out of control of an unarmed citizen. The question I asked was legitimate as it relates to the issue concerning mis-construed implied behavior of a citizen when in an unfortunate situation and forced to comply with another person who happens to be armed with a deadly weapon and is trying to get that citizen to "volunteer" information. Instead I got a non-response. What does this have to do w/Zimmerman & Miranda? Wasn't that what we were discussing?
#82. To: purplerose (#81) (Edited)
You're entitled to your opinion, but it isn't supported by the facts that were entered into evidence. Zimmerman acted like a police officer out of control of an unarmed citizen
#83. To: purplerose (#81)
I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to say. The question I asked was legitimate as it relates to the issue concerning mis-construed implied behavior of a citizen when in an unfortunate situation and forced to comply with another person who happens to be armed with a deadly weapon and is trying to get that citizen to "volunteer" information. Instead I got a non-response.
#84. To: Jethro Tull (#83)
Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police?
#85. To: purplerose (#84)
I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Does that same way of "behavior" apply when that unarmed individual is forced to "cooperate' by threats of M-16's and/or AK-47's pointed in their face by police?
#86. To: purplerose, GreyLMist (#81)
have you watched this ?
#87. To: christine (#86)
(. . . crickets . . .) heh-heh have you watched this ?
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#88. To: christine (#86) (Edited)
Yes, I watched it. This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker. And if the parents have any sense in how those journalists are painting their son Trayvon, they'd sue the hell out of them for defamation of character. This video did not convince me of any new facts or anything that I do not already know about yellow journalism. Common sense dictates to my reasoning that when I see suspicious activity in my neighborhood, I am not going to go after them like some dumbass trying to be a hero even if I am armed. And I am still of the opinion that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car, he would not have been pounced on by TM. He should have stayed in his car and kept in contact with the police dispatcher and laid his ass low so that TM could not see him. Chances are the police would have arrived and sent out several spotters as backup to search the area and possibly even send in a K-9 unit and they would have caught up with TM and arrested him on suspicious activity. At least he'd still be alive and Zimmerman would still be safe from harms way.
#89. To: purplerose, christine (#88)
Da' Nile is not just a river in Egypt. ...This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker. ...
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#90. To: christine (#86) (Edited)
Yes, I have and watched it again. I think it is speculative and misleading about the Lean issue. If Trayvon had bought any soft drink like millions/billions of other people do (especially carbonated and/or caffeinated, which I don't think Arizona Watermelon drink is in either case or not much), he likely would have still been accused as a Lean Fiend by people like Whittle if he also happened to buy any hard candy. If he was trying to get buzzed up, he evidently didn't buy the optimal beverage. Afaik, Lean was originally made in Houston, Texas with Sprite and Jolly Ranchers. The candy is basically just for flavoring and a metabolism booster in conjunction with the carbonation and caffeine in soda-type soft drinks and teas or whatever (not fruit juice). DXM is a cough suppressant in numerous OTC/Over-The-Counter cough syrups. The alleged "missing ingredient" is not OTC cough syrup like Robitussin DM or Robitussin in general, as Whittle depicts at 4:09 and 4:22, but Codeine that requires a prescription. All that Trayvon's toxicology report showed was traces of THC/marijuana, probably from days before - that substance so many people (here too) want decriminalized. It is Zimmerman who stated himself in his CVSA Interview at 15:27 that he was on prescribed medications - the narcotics Aderall and Temazepam - and exhibited like "under the influence" disorientation that night before the confrontation and shooting when he claimed to the dispatcher that he had forgotten the street name. Edited sentence 3 of paragraph 1 + last sentence and punctuation. have you watched this ?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#91. To: purplerose (#88)
Good point. His online account could have been manipulated too. This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#92. To: All (#90) (Edited)
A comment about Whittle at the YouTube site: Another comment there: And some from a discussion here: "It’s basically drawing a line “Skittles=criminal=ok to put to death.” "Assuming that every black kid that buys a watermelon fruit drink is actually buying the ingredients for a cheap high is as ridicul[ou]s as assuming that white guy buying corn on the cob at the grocery store must be buying the ingredients to make moonshine." "Listen: I’m a bio major that minored in biochemistry…and whatever drug or intoxicant you think you can make with Skittles, let me assure you; you’re wrong. You could maybe, and I do mean maybe, make alcohol with it if you had a still, months, and were willing to spend many times what beer costs. That’s it." "I work at Rite Aid. It is illegal to sell anyone under the age of 18 and without proper identification, cough syrup or any medical medication of any kind. Children can not purchase cough syrup at a pharmacy..this isn’t a state law it’s a federal law and if your child is able to get their hands on cough syrup from ANY store without being carded then that store needs to be reported." "So we’ve officially established in this country that if you don’t like someone, for whatever reason, just stalk and provoke them until they punch you (out of their own self defense) and then shoot them. Good to know." Edited first line after 2nd link. Whittle
"I used to snort cocaine in a three piece suit......Bill Whittle has HALF of the things needed to snort cocaine."
"Lysol is used in Crystal Meth but I dont see anyone attacking Soccer Moms for it"
"The Skittles are 100% irrelevant. This is slander of the worst sort."
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#93. To: purplerose, 4 (#88) (Edited)
He should have stayed in bed and ate Fritos all day, but court cases aren't tried on 'should haves.' Instead, trials are decided on admitted evidence and part of that evidence is what you acknowledge in your #88; TM pounced on Z, an act which set in motion the final moments of life. This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar toolsHe should have stayed in his car and kept in contact with the police
#94. To: purplerose (#88)
GZ claimed he was pounced on by TM but there is no actual evidence of that -- just GZ's story. I am still of the opinion that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car, he would not have been pounced on by TM.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#95. To: GreyLmist (#92)
No, it's the White guy buying a 50 lb bag of sugar that is making moonshine, especially if he's loading it into a ratty old pickup truck. That's called PROFILING. assuming that white guy buying corn on the cob at the grocery store must be buying the ingredients to make moonshine."
-Alex Kurtagic
#96. To: Original_Intent, purplerose (#89)
Ain't that the truth!?!? Rose, seek help before you climb a tower somewhere and start shooting indiscriminately. Some of the comments you have made about this case make it seem that the sun on your home planet may not be the same color as ours. Da' Nile is not just a river in Egypt.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#97. To: GreyLmist (#92)
Yeah, sure thing. And people under 21 never get to buy any beer or cigarettes and never, ever get into nightclubs. No way, no how, because that would be illegal and no one does anything illegal. Uh huh. I work at Rite Aid. It is illegal to sell anyone under the age of 18 and without proper identification, cough syrup or any medical medication of any kind. Children can not purchase cough syrup at a pharmacy...
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar tools Good points. And they have seen all that about why Saint Skittles wasn't charged with the stolen property and have chosen to overlook it because it does not fit their fairy tale of the innocent young black "child" who was murdered by a racist "white Hispanic." They have to know that their arguments are bs and just keep on and on but for what? He should have stayed in bed and ate Fritos all day, but court cases aren't tried on 'should haves.' Instead, trials are decided on admitted evidence and part of that evidence is what you acknowledge in your #88; TM pounced on Z, an act which set in motion the final moments of life.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#98)
Lack of quality psychotropic meds? They have to know that their arguments are bs and just keep on and on but for what?
#100. To: Jethro Tull (#99)
That explanation would be about as good as any I guess. Apparently some folks have to get the shit beat out of them by some thug like Saint Skittles before they understand that you can't reason with them and pretend they will stop being thugs if you just ask them nicely.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#101. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
When some TM defenders float the preposterous conspiracy theories we both have read, an increase in meds is a legitimate suggestion. I'm talking mental illness on full display. No other disconnect to reality makes sense to me.
#102. To: Jethro Tull (#101)
Yeah, like that about how Saint Skittles was rendered unconscious by Zimmerman and I asked, and never got any reply, if Zimmerman used the Vulcan Death Grip on him to render him unconscious. And other ludicrous things that otherwise sane people wouldn't even entertain for the few seconds it would take to say them. When some TM defenders float the preposterous conspiracy theories we both have read,
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#103. To: James Deffenbach (#102)
LOL! Yep, TM was rendered unconscious by Z, then dragged to the staging area, propped up on top of Z by Z, as Z screamed for help. This, incidentally, was done with such skill that a neighbor, John Good, couldn't detect the ruse from 20' away. You can't make this stuff up, but obviously I'm wrong. Vulcan Death Grip
#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)
We have been subjected to much bs in the name of Saint Skittles.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#105. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#97) (Edited)
And juries always get it right, huh? Not. Why are people acting as if Zimmerman's aquittal is some sort of race contest trophy? He made a point of distancing himself from "Whites" as a Hispanic-American towards the end of his Hannity interview. I don't think the verdict was correct but, even if it were, it couldn't do anything to undo all the other judicial and media injustices. Which reminds me on account of the fruit juice issue in this case that the nickname of Trayvon's dad is "Juice", like O.J. Simpson's. Just making note of that here. Edited for an apostrophe correction + 1st sentence of last paragraph. that would be illegal and no one does anything illegal. Uh huh.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#106. To: Jethro Tull (#93) (Edited)
And the reason why TM pounced on Zimmerman was because Zimmerman was following TM. Why do you and others like James insist on omitting this very important fact? If somebody were following me with a loaded pistol, I'm going to kill them! You do realize there are a lot of perverts running loose on our streets and that child kidnapping happens quite frequently?
#107. To: GreyLmist (#105)
If you can find it within yourself, pay close attention. The evidence presented during the trial showed that Zimmerman shot Saint Skittles AFTER said saint was beating the $#it out of him, including beating his head on a concrete sidewalk. Now if you don't believe that could be life threatening, try a little experiment. Go to your nearest patch of concrete, or even asphalt, and beat your own head over it a few times. I would suggest that you not do it as hard as you can but maybe about half as hard. Then come and give us all the result of your experiment and let us know if it was painful and if it felt like it MIGHT kill you if someone else was doing it and not taking it easy on you. Why are people acting as if Zimmerman's aquittal is some sort of race contest trophy?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#108. To: purplerose (#106)
Omit it? It was the crux of Zs self-defense argument; he was assaulted by TM. Following someone = legal. Pouncing on someone = assault, a crime. And the reason why TM pounced on Zimmerman was because Zimmerman was following TM. Why do you and others like James insist on omitting this very important fact?
#109. To: purplerose (#106)
It is NOT a crime to follow someone! Do you just blaze away at everyone who might be walking behind you down the street? No? Why not, they are "following" you, aren't they? It makes not one whit of difference that Zimmerman was following Saint Skittles. If Saint Skittles had gone on home and not attacked Zimmerman there is a fair chance he would, or might, still be alive today. That is unless someone caught the "innocent young black child" in their house stealing their stuff or unless he attacked someone else who didn't think they had to just take it and let him beat on them until he got tired. And the reason why TM pounced on Zimmerman was because Zimmerman was following TM. Why do you and others like James insist on omitting this very important fact?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#110. To: GreyLmist (#91)
Actually, both Martin and Zimmerman are crisis actors. Martin is working on his next act as a school shooting victim, and Zimmerman will be a cop investigating the incident. Now go find some YouTube videos to put it all together, I know you can do it. Good point. His online account could have been manipulated too.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#111. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, 4 (#102) (Edited)
YouTube link set to start at 19:13-19:36 about Zimmerman's Army service, Virginia: George Zimmerman Sanford Police Interview [Lie Detector/Polygraph] (February 27, 2012) Cross-referencing Post #221 at 4um Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin In addition to the malicious misrepresentations of my post #221 (especially on the issue of Z's Army training, in counter-response to an impression of him being in a precarious situation with a superior opponent), these are the high-priority issues of evidence discussed there that keep getting avoided with no answers and truncated deviously when referencing that posting: "he talked about his Army service in Virginia early on in his CVSA interview, so I'm not someone under the impression that he wouldn't know how to disable TM quickly." Why anyone would want to pretend that his Army Training is a Star Trek joke, I don't know, but if you two want to sound absurdly reading impaired, suit yourselves. These are 2 articles in that thread in reference to John Good's testimony: abcnews.go.com: George Zimmerman Was Beaten, Two Prosecution Witnesses Say - ABC News This is a video of Good's full courtroom testimony that I haven't seen all of yet: If he ever describes in that video what he means by MMA/Mixed Martial Arts style blows and what that looks like, please point me to it. These are excerpts from those reports: abcnews.go.com So far no witness has testified about who started the fight and there have been conflicting accounts about who was on top during the fight. Selma Mora, another witness, testified Thursday that Zimmerman was on top of Martin in the moments before a gunshot ended the fight. cbsnews.com "The person you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top, correct?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara. "He was the one raining blows down on George Zimmerman, correct?" "That's what it looked like," Good answered. Later, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked whether it was possible a police officer could have used the term "ground and pound" before he did. "It's possible," Good said. De la Rionda honed in on Good's earlier statement that he couldn't confirm the person on top was hitting the other person. "Correct," Good said. Edited for spacing, spelling, punctuation and 1st video link correction + timestamping. like that about how Saint Skittles was rendered unconscious by Zimmerman and I asked, and never got any reply, if Zimmerman used the Vulcan Death Grip on him to render him unconscious. And other ludicrous things that otherwise sane people wouldn't even entertain for the few seconds it would take to say them.
"How on earth was GZ even able to get to his gun if TM was straddling him then as he says? Where was TM's leg at the time on that side? GZ's story about his jacket moving up doesn't adequately explain that away."
cbsnews.com: George Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gunshot
YouTube: John Good FULL Testimony. George Zimmerman Trial -- 2+ hours
Good testified that he did not see Martin banging Zimmerman's head on the concrete.
He said he saw "arm movements going downward," though he couldn't be certain the person on top was striking the person on the bottom.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#112. To: James Deffenbach (#107)
Your reply has nothing to do with the question of why people are acting as if Zimmerman's aquittal is some sort of race contest trophy. There is no evidence except Z's story that he was attacked by Trayvon, nor that he had his head bashed on the cement by him either. References on that at Post #111.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#113. To: FormerLurker (#110)
Yeah, that must be it! And of course Zimmerman banged his own head on the sidewalk because he is such a good actor and wanted it all to look realistic. And Saint Skittles didn't really attack him and bust his nose, it just seemed that way. Actually, both Martin and Zimmerman are crisis actors. Martin is working on his next act as a school shooting victim, and Zimmerman will be a cop investigating the incident.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#114. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#111)
So now JT and I are the ones who can't read or don't understand what we read? LOL! I can tell you one thing, I know bs when I see it and there have been truck loads of that posted about how the racist George Zimmerman hunted down that poor innocent child, Trayvon Martin, and murdered him. Not to put too fine a point on it that is bullshit. Why anyone would want to pretend that his Army Training is a Star Trek joke, I don't know, but if you two want to sound absurdly reading impaired, suit yourselves.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#115. To: GreyLmist (#112)
There is no evidence except Z's story that he was attacked by Trayvon, nor that he had his head bashed on the cement by him either. You still haven't gone and tried that little experiment I mentioned to you, have you? I am waiting for you to get back to us with your results. Until you do go and beat your head on the nearest sidewalk and tell us whether it hurt or not I am not interested in reading anything more about how the racist white Hispanic hunted down the poor innocent black child and murdered him. Your reply has nothing to do with the question of why people are acting as if Zimmerman's aquittal is some sort of race contest trophy.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#116. To: James Deffenbach, Former Lurker, 4um (#115)
Between us and the Star Trek contingent, the evidence that TM attacked Z is the unanimous not guilty verdict returned by the jury. The jury arrived at that verdict based on the circumstantial evidence provided to the jury by the prosecution no less. I still contended O'Mara could rested after the prosecution's last witness took the stand. There is no evidence except Z's story that he was attacked by Trayvon, nor that he had his head bashed on the cement by him either.
#117. To: Jethro Tull (#116)
I agree with that. He could have probably not said another word after they got through destroying that MENSA candidate and friend of Saint Skittles, Rachel Jeantel, and got the not guilty verdict. Just about all the prosecution witnesses were better witnesses for the defense.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#118. To: James Deffenbach (#113)
Hell, it was all stage makeup and fake blood, and Martin was just faking being dead. The witnesses were all actors too, in fact they're the ones who helped Zimmerman stage the event along with Martin. C'mon James, this was just another FALSE FLAG... Yeah, that must be it! And of course Zimmerman banged his own head on the sidewalk because he is such a good actor and wanted it all to look realistic. And Saint Skittles didn't really attack him and bust his nose, it just seemed that way.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, 4um (#116)
JT, did you not consider the possibility that the jurists were all CRISIS ACTORS????? Between us and the Star Trek contingent, the evidence that TM attacked Z is the unanimous not guilty verdict returned by the jury.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#120. To: FormerLurker, JD (#119)
That is an excellent point! In fact, the entire three week trial could have been one well developed hologram designed to distract us as they ready their underwater FEMA camps. JT, did you not consider the possibility that the jurists were all CRISIS ACTORS?????
#121. To: Jethro Tull, FormerLurker (#120)
I am glad you guys came up with the real explanation. This $#it of Vulcan Death Grips and people beating their own heads on the sidewalk was about to wear me out and give me a headache.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#122. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
My friend, it's too bad that he stopped his truck at a stoplight when a riot was in progress, and perhaps more importantly that he failed to routinely lock his doors. (My duties in LA required two trips to LAX daily and my doors were always locked) Perhaps he expected to be judged on the content of his character (after a skilled field interview by would be attackers) and not simply brain injured because of his color and his callously availing himself of white skin privilege by working, both punishable offenses when a certain urban demographic knew that the police wouldn't intervene. He'd have done better to roll on through the intersection with his air horn warning that any who blocked his escape would be ignored. The rioters would have had no reason to assume that a trucker would hold their lives in higher regard than they did his. Of course most whites in LA are weak and easy to intimidate and plunder. But the nig...I mean, African Americans would also have known about people like "Charlie Chuckles" Manson, "Bobby" Beausoleil, Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono. Who would bet their lives that the aforementioned would stop a vehicle to avoid hitting one or more excitable homies in the hood during a spontaneous support rally for Rodney King? It's too bad he didn't have a street sweeper shotgun or an AK or SKS in his truck. Or a 357 magnum handgun. If he had and shot the first one that tried to open his door the rest of them would probably have heard mama calling them and run right on home to see what mama needed.
#123. To: HOUNDDAWG (#122)
An excellent post DAWG. I agree with every jot and tittle of that. He still suffers to this day from what they did to him. I would have run over a bunch of homeboys if it had been me in that truck, either that or shot one of them and watch the rest beating feet to urgent bidness elsewhere. My friend, it's too bad that he stopped his truck at a stoplight when a riot was in progress, and perhaps more importantly that he failed to routinely lock his doors. (My duties in LA required two trips to LAX daily and my doors were always locked)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#124. To: James Deffenbach, christine, Jethro Tull (#123)
Years ago a man in Portsmouth, VA told me something that validates your scenario. The man was legally transporting his 9mm pistol, having placed it on his dashboard in plain sight without the mag, which was on the seat next to him. He stopped at a traffic signal and was suddenly set upon by a group of predators. They surrounded him and tried all of his doors which were locked, then one yewt tried to stomp the windscreen out as the others banged on the car body, which would for most folks (and me) create a climate of extreme fear. The would be victim reached for his pistol and inserted the magazine. He looked around and then asked himself, "Where did they go?" Yes my friend, in the time it took for him to look down for the mag and slam it home the the high spirited lads vanished as if in a heavily promoted David Copperfield event! Needless to say his theory about personal empowerment was validated that day and without firing a shot. Now, for the benefit of the 4nicators who insist on projecting evil intentions on Zimmerman, allow me to write a paragraph detailing what I know happened before Zimmerman fired his sidearm: Beginning here:[ ] The end. I don't know diddly about the events that led to a fatal shooting because I wasn't there. And those who wish to conjure their own facts would not want to be judged by jurors who discard facts in evidence then substitute their own prejudices. As I said before, this may be one of the worst examples of justifiable homicide I know of. And, like it or not, even a nigger hatin' son of a bitch has the right to defend his life, even if the dead man recognized that he was being monitored by a racist who "deserved a ass whuppin' for not lovin us!". LET'S ALL SING! We're non violent niggas, we're peace luvin' bruthas...dem white folks better luv us OR WE'RE GONNA KILL DEM ROTTEN MUTHAS!" Whites in America are so beaten down with guilt (a remnant of post Civil War Reconstruction) that it paralyzes them. And many not too intelligent blacks believe they can summarily punish whites for our skin color. Some blacks are so stupid that they don't know that under certain circs they can forfeit their lives, which is exactly what Trayvon Martin did. The simple truth that no one has yet said is, (1) even a nigger hatin' son of a bitch can volunteer for Neighborhood Watch, and any black who instinctively senses that a watch volunteer is wise to blacks' predisposition to crime should not assume that he can punish that white volunteer, because it could result in the death of the black. (2) If Martin attacked Zimmerman in the mistaken belief that Reconstruction never ended, then he foolishly and fatally validated the fact that he had criminal tendencies in general and a propensity for violence against whites in particular, right? "How so?", some will incredulously ask. There was only one surviving witness and no one to dispute his statement, and no physical evidence to contradict his account. To those who wish to retry the case here at 4 I say, I feel your pain I really really do. But the two conclusions above would not be unreasonable for a jury to agree upon, especially if any jurors were also wise to the threat that blacks represent to any white caught in dangerous circs. This includes the simple misfortune of blowing a tire near the wrong neighborhood at the time of day when creatures of the night awaken, looking for the means to burn off the sugars they consumed (COCO PUFFS, LUCKY CHARMS, etc.,.) before crashing at the end of their shift at 4 AM or thereabout. He still suffers to this day from what they did to him. I would have run over a bunch of homeboys if it had been me in that truck, either that or shot one of them and watch the rest beating feet to urgent bidness elsewhere.
#125. To: HOUNDDAWG (#124)
Beginning here:[ ] The end. I don't know diddly about the events that led to a fatal shooting because I wasn't there. I'm thinking you oughta get a Nobel Peace Prize nomination for your honesty there. Right and I don't think I've done that. If you do, please point me to it. A Vulcan Death Grip joke was invented but not by me -- to discard relevant facts in evidence as to Zimmerman's Military service/training per his own statements. Projecting evil intentions and actions that night onto Trayvon for which there is no evidence amounts to substituting prejudice for facts and lots of people have been ok with that while objecting to any reservations about Zimmerman as bias and such. Scrutiny, skepticism and assessing motives of the defendant charged with killing someone isn't the same as that, imo. It's par for the judicial course. Disagreeing with the verdict based on the evidence isn't a denial of societal and racial problems here and conflating this case as if it's a microcosm of all that to divide Americans against one another further is not helping matters. It is making them worse and wantonly endangering others more in the process over misplaced faith, pride, retribution, etc. What we can know happened by research verification is that Zimmerman's story has been marketed as if fact and insistently substituted as evidence but even his own recitals don't support it. allow me to write a paragraph detailing what I know happened before Zimmerman fired his sidearm:
And those who wish to conjure their own facts would not want to be judged by jurors who discard facts in evidence then substitute their own prejudices.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#126. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar tools This is an extension of Clinton's request for help from big city police chiefs and administrators. He asked that the locals (mostly minorities and Democrats) fail to write up as many crimes as possible so they wouldn't be included in the FBI's year end Uniform Crime Report. Clinton wanted to realize a miraculous cultural paradigm shift in the cities in less than six months since the passage of The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 which Clinton described as, "the toughest, largest and smartest federal attack on crime in the history of...[the country]," As you know, there is no law that punishes such policies, and the likelihood of any being passed is slim now that crime stats are manipulated at the national level for political gain. It's interesting that the Florida school system police chief started a manhunt for the criminal insider who did him in. And according to a retired teacher friend of mine the same treatment may be expected by any teacher here who refuses to push blacks through the grades. When my friend was confronted by angry black parents after their son (who didn't even bring a pencil to class) failed, the parents' response to the fact that the kid never turned in any homework and flunked every test was, "The other teachers pass him!" We're slowly reaching the point where we'll have to admit that it's just plain wrong to hold American blacks to European standards. Our laws, our educational curricula and our means of testing aptitude simply don't suit the creatures that many wish to believe are our "eekwals". And the media war on Zimmerman is the opening volley against the shall issue laws that have passed. Sooner or later the MSM will have to explain why so many states have been pressured into passing these laws, which traditionally are not supported by politicians. And those who control the printing presses and electronic media know that legally armed citizens will force violent offenders to carefully select their targets, and bow tied liberals with briefcases are as horrified at the thought of buying and wearing plaid shirts and CAT POWER ball caps as they are at the thought of being stomped to death after surrendering their valuables and accompanying their attackers to the nearest ATM.
#127. To: HOUNDDAWG, 4 (#126)
A powerful post, and this a powerful comment. National crime stats are as accurate as the deficit/debt leger compiled by the Feds. Normal people reject both as political bullshit; a jump ball for the Ds and Rs to bicker over. And don't you just love those who toss in their personal anecdotes about the good and decent friends of color they know and love? What a surprise it will be to that clueless bunch when they become a statistic. As obvious as the Zimmerman agenda was to us, it has already become a distant memory to newer, nastier Black on White crimes. The only logical end to this mess is one side dominating the other. As long as whites maintain their weapons, we'll be fine. The ongoing attack on our 2nd is about to take a new leap when Obamacare is fully implemented. If a person is taking meds, or has a medical condition they deem dangerous to gun ownership, they will come a knocking. The choice will then be to surrender them and risk becoming a victim, or to resist what has become a tyrannical government. And the media war on Zimmerman is the opening volley against the shall issue laws that have passed. Sooner or later the MSM will have to explain why so many states have been pressured into passing these laws, which traditionally are not supported by politicians. And those who control the printing presses and electronic media know that legally armed citizens will force violent offenders to carefully select their targets, and bow tied liberals with briefcases are as horrified at the thought of buying and wearing plaid shirts and CAT POWER ball caps as they are at the thought of being stomped to death after surrendering their valuables and accompanying their attackers to the nearest ATM.
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