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Title: New Mural In Florida’s Capitol Building Shows Zimmerman Shooting Trayvon Martin
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URL Source: http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/ ... -in-floridas-capitol-building/
Published: Aug 11, 2013
Author: Kristin Tate
Post Date: 2013-08-11 08:56:15 by James Deffenbach
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A huge new mural called “We Are All Trayvon Martin” was unveiled in the Florida State Capitol. It was created by a Miami artist who is clearly very sympathetic towards Martin. Artist Huong unveiled the creation during a sit-in to protest Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law. (Stand your ground had absolutely nothing to do with this case. Effin' idiot). Poster Comment: Alternate title: George Zimmerman now set for another defamation suit against an alleged "artist" who has to know better. At least if she had paid any attention at all to the trial she would have. The man was found NOT GUILTY and for good reason. He was attacked and defended himself. Case closed. George Zimmerman should sue the "artist" as well as whoever approved putting this pos in the Capitol Building. I hope he sues their asses and breaks them from doing stuff like this. Titled, “We Are All Trayvon Martin,” the painting shows Zimmerman firing a gun at a hoodie-wearing figure. The painting features a mirror to signify that the shooting could have happened to anyone. There is also an image of Martin Luther King Jr. with blood trickling down his head.
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#88. To: christine (#86)
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Yes, I watched it. This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker. And if the parents have any sense in how those journalists are painting their son Trayvon, they'd sue the hell out of them for defamation of character. This video did not convince me of any new facts or anything that I do not already know about yellow journalism. Common sense dictates to my reasoning that when I see suspicious activity in my neighborhood, I am not going to go after them like some dumbass trying to be a hero even if I am armed. And I am still of the opinion that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car, he would not have been pounced on by TM. He should have stayed in his car and kept in contact with the police dispatcher and laid his ass low so that TM could not see him. Chances are the police would have arrived and sent out several spotters as backup to search the area and possibly even send in a K-9 unit and they would have caught up with TM and arrested him on suspicious activity. At least he'd still be alive and Zimmerman would still be safe from harms way.
Da' Nile is not just a river in Egypt. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Yes, I have and watched it again. I think it is speculative and misleading about the Lean issue. If Trayvon had bought any soft drink like millions/billions of other people do (especially carbonated and/or caffeinated, which I don't think Arizona Watermelon drink is in either case or not much), he likely would have still been accused as a Lean Fiend by people like Whittle if he also happened to buy any hard candy. If he was trying to get buzzed up, he evidently didn't buy the optimal beverage. Afaik, Lean was originally made in Houston, Texas with Sprite and Jolly Ranchers. The candy is basically just for flavoring and a metabolism booster in conjunction with the carbonation and caffeine in soda-type soft drinks and teas or whatever (not fruit juice). DXM is a cough suppressant in numerous OTC/Over-The-Counter cough syrups. The alleged "missing ingredient" is not OTC cough syrup like Robitussin DM or Robitussin in general, as Whittle depicts at 4:09 and 4:22, but Codeine that requires a prescription. All that Trayvon's toxicology report showed was traces of THC/marijuana, probably from days before - that substance so many people (here too) want decriminalized. It is Zimmerman who stated himself in his CVSA Interview at 15:27 that he was on prescribed medications - the narcotics Aderall and Temazepam - and exhibited like "under the influence" disorientation that night before the confrontation and shooting when he claimed to the dispatcher that he had forgotten the street name. Edited sentence 3 of paragraph 1 + last sentence and punctuation. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Good point. His online account could have been manipulated too. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
A comment about Whittle at the YouTube site: Another comment there: And some from a discussion here: "It’s basically drawing a line “Skittles=criminal=ok to put to death.” "Assuming that every black kid that buys a watermelon fruit drink is actually buying the ingredients for a cheap high is as ridicul[ou]s as assuming that white guy buying corn on the cob at the grocery store must be buying the ingredients to make moonshine." "Listen: I’m a bio major that minored in biochemistry…and whatever drug or intoxicant you think you can make with Skittles, let me assure you; you’re wrong. You could maybe, and I do mean maybe, make alcohol with it if you had a still, months, and were willing to spend many times what beer costs. That’s it." "I work at Rite Aid. It is illegal to sell anyone under the age of 18 and without proper identification, cough syrup or any medical medication of any kind. Children can not purchase cough syrup at a pharmacy..this isn’t a state law it’s a federal law and if your child is able to get their hands on cough syrup from ANY store without being carded then that store needs to be reported." "So we’ve officially established in this country that if you don’t like someone, for whatever reason, just stalk and provoke them until they punch you (out of their own self defense) and then shoot them. Good to know." Edited first line after 2nd link. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
He should have stayed in bed and ate Fritos all day, but court cases aren't tried on 'should haves.' Instead, trials are decided on admitted evidence and part of that evidence is what you acknowledge in your #88; TM pounced on Z, an act which set in motion the final moments of life. This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar tools
GZ claimed he was pounced on by TM but there is no actual evidence of that -- just GZ's story. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
No, it's the White guy buying a 50 lb bag of sugar that is making moonshine, especially if he's loading it into a ratty old pickup truck. That's called PROFILING.
#89. To: purplerose, christine (#88)
...This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker. ...
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#90. To: christine (#86)
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have you watched this ?
#91. To: purplerose (#88)
This video relays on account that TM had burglary tools in his locker but TM was never charged with burglary. And who's to say that somebody didn't plant them in Trayvon's locker.
#92. To: All (#90)
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Whittle
"I used to snort cocaine in a three piece suit......Bill Whittle has HALF of the things needed to snort cocaine."
"Lysol is used in Crystal Meth but I dont see anyone attacking Soccer Moms for it"
"The Skittles are 100% irrelevant. This is slander of the worst sort."
#93. To: purplerose, 4 (#88)
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He should have stayed in his car and kept in contact with the police
#94. To: purplerose (#88)
I am still of the opinion that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car, he would not have been pounced on by TM.
#95. To: GreyLmist (#92)
assuming that white guy buying corn on the cob at the grocery store must be buying the ingredients to make moonshine."
-Alex Kurtagic
#96. To: Original_Intent, purplerose (#89)
Ain't that the truth!?!? Rose, seek help before you climb a tower somewhere and start shooting indiscriminately. Some of the comments you have made about this case make it seem that the sun on your home planet may not be the same color as ours. Da' Nile is not just a river in Egypt.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#97. To: GreyLmist (#92)
Yeah, sure thing. And people under 21 never get to buy any beer or cigarettes and never, ever get into nightclubs. No way, no how, because that would be illegal and no one does anything illegal. Uh huh. I work at Rite Aid. It is illegal to sell anyone under the age of 18 and without proper identification, cough syrup or any medical medication of any kind. Children can not purchase cough syrup at a pharmacy...
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar tools Good points. And they have seen all that about why Saint Skittles wasn't charged with the stolen property and have chosen to overlook it because it does not fit their fairy tale of the innocent young black "child" who was murdered by a racist "white Hispanic." They have to know that their arguments are bs and just keep on and on but for what? He should have stayed in bed and ate Fritos all day, but court cases aren't tried on 'should haves.' Instead, trials are decided on admitted evidence and part of that evidence is what you acknowledge in your #88; TM pounced on Z, an act which set in motion the final moments of life.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#98)
Lack of quality psychotropic meds? They have to know that their arguments are bs and just keep on and on but for what?
#100. To: Jethro Tull (#99)
That explanation would be about as good as any I guess. Apparently some folks have to get the shit beat out of them by some thug like Saint Skittles before they understand that you can't reason with them and pretend they will stop being thugs if you just ask them nicely.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#101. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
When some TM defenders float the preposterous conspiracy theories we both have read, an increase in meds is a legitimate suggestion. I'm talking mental illness on full display. No other disconnect to reality makes sense to me.
#102. To: Jethro Tull (#101)
Yeah, like that about how Saint Skittles was rendered unconscious by Zimmerman and I asked, and never got any reply, if Zimmerman used the Vulcan Death Grip on him to render him unconscious. And other ludicrous things that otherwise sane people wouldn't even entertain for the few seconds it would take to say them. When some TM defenders float the preposterous conspiracy theories we both have read,
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#103. To: James Deffenbach (#102)
LOL! Yep, TM was rendered unconscious by Z, then dragged to the staging area, propped up on top of Z by Z, as Z screamed for help. This, incidentally, was done with such skill that a neighbor, John Good, couldn't detect the ruse from 20' away. You can't make this stuff up, but obviously I'm wrong. Vulcan Death Grip
#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)
We have been subjected to much bs in the name of Saint Skittles.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#105. To: James Deffenbach, 4 (#97) (Edited)
And juries always get it right, huh? Not. Why are people acting as if Zimmerman's aquittal is some sort of race contest trophy? He made a point of distancing himself from "Whites" as a Hispanic-American towards the end of his Hannity interview. I don't think the verdict was correct but, even if it were, it couldn't do anything to undo all the other judicial and media injustices. Which reminds me on account of the fruit juice issue in this case that the nickname of Trayvon's dad is "Juice", like O.J. Simpson's. Just making note of that here. Edited for an apostrophe correction + 1st sentence of last paragraph. that would be illegal and no one does anything illegal. Uh huh.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#106. To: Jethro Tull (#93) (Edited)
And the reason why TM pounced on Zimmerman was because Zimmerman was following TM. Why do you and others like James insist on omitting this very important fact? If somebody were following me with a loaded pistol, I'm going to kill them! You do realize there are a lot of perverts running loose on our streets and that child kidnapping happens quite frequently?
#107. To: GreyLmist (#105)
If you can find it within yourself, pay close attention. The evidence presented during the trial showed that Zimmerman shot Saint Skittles AFTER said saint was beating the $#it out of him, including beating his head on a concrete sidewalk. Now if you don't believe that could be life threatening, try a little experiment. Go to your nearest patch of concrete, or even asphalt, and beat your own head over it a few times. I would suggest that you not do it as hard as you can but maybe about half as hard. Then come and give us all the result of your experiment and let us know if it was painful and if it felt like it MIGHT kill you if someone else was doing it and not taking it easy on you. Why are people acting as if Zimmerman's aquittal is some sort of race contest trophy?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#108. To: purplerose (#106)
Omit it? It was the crux of Zs self-defense argument; he was assaulted by TM. Following someone = legal. Pouncing on someone = assault, a crime. And the reason why TM pounced on Zimmerman was because Zimmerman was following TM. Why do you and others like James insist on omitting this very important fact?
#109. To: purplerose (#106)
It is NOT a crime to follow someone! Do you just blaze away at everyone who might be walking behind you down the street? No? Why not, they are "following" you, aren't they? It makes not one whit of difference that Zimmerman was following Saint Skittles. If Saint Skittles had gone on home and not attacked Zimmerman there is a fair chance he would, or might, still be alive today. That is unless someone caught the "innocent young black child" in their house stealing their stuff or unless he attacked someone else who didn't think they had to just take it and let him beat on them until he got tired. And the reason why TM pounced on Zimmerman was because Zimmerman was following TM. Why do you and others like James insist on omitting this very important fact?
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#110. To: GreyLmist (#91)
Actually, both Martin and Zimmerman are crisis actors. Martin is working on his next act as a school shooting victim, and Zimmerman will be a cop investigating the incident. Now go find some YouTube videos to put it all together, I know you can do it. Good point. His online account could have been manipulated too.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#111. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, 4 (#102) (Edited)
YouTube link set to start at 19:13-19:36 about Zimmerman's Army service, Virginia: George Zimmerman Sanford Police Interview [Lie Detector/Polygraph] (February 27, 2012) Cross-referencing Post #221 at 4um Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin In addition to the malicious misrepresentations of my post #221 (especially on the issue of Z's Army training, in counter-response to an impression of him being in a precarious situation with a superior opponent), these are the high-priority issues of evidence discussed there that keep getting avoided with no answers and truncated deviously when referencing that posting: "he talked about his Army service in Virginia early on in his CVSA interview, so I'm not someone under the impression that he wouldn't know how to disable TM quickly." Why anyone would want to pretend that his Army Training is a Star Trek joke, I don't know, but if you two want to sound absurdly reading impaired, suit yourselves. These are 2 articles in that thread in reference to John Good's testimony: abcnews.go.com: George Zimmerman Was Beaten, Two Prosecution Witnesses Say - ABC News This is a video of Good's full courtroom testimony that I haven't seen all of yet: If he ever describes in that video what he means by MMA/Mixed Martial Arts style blows and what that looks like, please point me to it. These are excerpts from those reports: abcnews.go.com So far no witness has testified about who started the fight and there have been conflicting accounts about who was on top during the fight. Selma Mora, another witness, testified Thursday that Zimmerman was on top of Martin in the moments before a gunshot ended the fight. cbsnews.com "The person you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top, correct?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara. "He was the one raining blows down on George Zimmerman, correct?" "That's what it looked like," Good answered. Later, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked whether it was possible a police officer could have used the term "ground and pound" before he did. "It's possible," Good said. De la Rionda honed in on Good's earlier statement that he couldn't confirm the person on top was hitting the other person. "Correct," Good said. Edited for spacing, spelling, punctuation and 1st video link correction + timestamping. like that about how Saint Skittles was rendered unconscious by Zimmerman and I asked, and never got any reply, if Zimmerman used the Vulcan Death Grip on him to render him unconscious. And other ludicrous things that otherwise sane people wouldn't even entertain for the few seconds it would take to say them.
"How on earth was GZ even able to get to his gun if TM was straddling him then as he says? Where was TM's leg at the time on that side? GZ's story about his jacket moving up doesn't adequately explain that away."
cbsnews.com: George Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gunshot
YouTube: John Good FULL Testimony. George Zimmerman Trial -- 2+ hours
Good testified that he did not see Martin banging Zimmerman's head on the concrete.
He said he saw "arm movements going downward," though he couldn't be certain the person on top was striking the person on the bottom.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#112. To: James Deffenbach (#107)
Your reply has nothing to do with the question of why people are acting as if Zimmerman's aquittal is some sort of race contest trophy. There is no evidence except Z's story that he was attacked by Trayvon, nor that he had his head bashed on the cement by him either. References on that at Post #111.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#113. To: FormerLurker (#110)
Yeah, that must be it! And of course Zimmerman banged his own head on the sidewalk because he is such a good actor and wanted it all to look realistic. And Saint Skittles didn't really attack him and bust his nose, it just seemed that way. Actually, both Martin and Zimmerman are crisis actors. Martin is working on his next act as a school shooting victim, and Zimmerman will be a cop investigating the incident.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#114. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull (#111)
So now JT and I are the ones who can't read or don't understand what we read? LOL! I can tell you one thing, I know bs when I see it and there have been truck loads of that posted about how the racist George Zimmerman hunted down that poor innocent child, Trayvon Martin, and murdered him. Not to put too fine a point on it that is bullshit. Why anyone would want to pretend that his Army Training is a Star Trek joke, I don't know, but if you two want to sound absurdly reading impaired, suit yourselves.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#115. To: GreyLmist (#112)
There is no evidence except Z's story that he was attacked by Trayvon, nor that he had his head bashed on the cement by him either. You still haven't gone and tried that little experiment I mentioned to you, have you? I am waiting for you to get back to us with your results. Until you do go and beat your head on the nearest sidewalk and tell us whether it hurt or not I am not interested in reading anything more about how the racist white Hispanic hunted down the poor innocent black child and murdered him. Your reply has nothing to do with the question of why people are acting as if Zimmerman's aquittal is some sort of race contest trophy.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#116. To: James Deffenbach, Former Lurker, 4um (#115)
Between us and the Star Trek contingent, the evidence that TM attacked Z is the unanimous not guilty verdict returned by the jury. The jury arrived at that verdict based on the circumstantial evidence provided to the jury by the prosecution no less. I still contended O'Mara could rested after the prosecution's last witness took the stand. There is no evidence except Z's story that he was attacked by Trayvon, nor that he had his head bashed on the cement by him either.
#117. To: Jethro Tull (#116)
I agree with that. He could have probably not said another word after they got through destroying that MENSA candidate and friend of Saint Skittles, Rachel Jeantel, and got the not guilty verdict. Just about all the prosecution witnesses were better witnesses for the defense.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#118. To: James Deffenbach (#113)
Hell, it was all stage makeup and fake blood, and Martin was just faking being dead. The witnesses were all actors too, in fact they're the ones who helped Zimmerman stage the event along with Martin. C'mon James, this was just another FALSE FLAG... Yeah, that must be it! And of course Zimmerman banged his own head on the sidewalk because he is such a good actor and wanted it all to look realistic. And Saint Skittles didn't really attack him and bust his nose, it just seemed that way.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, 4um (#116)
JT, did you not consider the possibility that the jurists were all CRISIS ACTORS????? Between us and the Star Trek contingent, the evidence that TM attacked Z is the unanimous not guilty verdict returned by the jury.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#120. To: FormerLurker, JD (#119)
That is an excellent point! In fact, the entire three week trial could have been one well developed hologram designed to distract us as they ready their underwater FEMA camps. JT, did you not consider the possibility that the jurists were all CRISIS ACTORS?????
#121. To: Jethro Tull, FormerLurker (#120)
I am glad you guys came up with the real explanation. This $#it of Vulcan Death Grips and people beating their own heads on the sidewalk was about to wear me out and give me a headache.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#122. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
My friend, it's too bad that he stopped his truck at a stoplight when a riot was in progress, and perhaps more importantly that he failed to routinely lock his doors. (My duties in LA required two trips to LAX daily and my doors were always locked) Perhaps he expected to be judged on the content of his character (after a skilled field interview by would be attackers) and not simply brain injured because of his color and his callously availing himself of white skin privilege by working, both punishable offenses when a certain urban demographic knew that the police wouldn't intervene. He'd have done better to roll on through the intersection with his air horn warning that any who blocked his escape would be ignored. The rioters would have had no reason to assume that a trucker would hold their lives in higher regard than they did his. Of course most whites in LA are weak and easy to intimidate and plunder. But the nig...I mean, African Americans would also have known about people like "Charlie Chuckles" Manson, "Bobby" Beausoleil, Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono. Who would bet their lives that the aforementioned would stop a vehicle to avoid hitting one or more excitable homies in the hood during a spontaneous support rally for Rodney King? It's too bad he didn't have a street sweeper shotgun or an AK or SKS in his truck. Or a 357 magnum handgun. If he had and shot the first one that tried to open his door the rest of them would probably have heard mama calling them and run right on home to see what mama needed.
#123. To: HOUNDDAWG (#122)
An excellent post DAWG. I agree with every jot and tittle of that. He still suffers to this day from what they did to him. I would have run over a bunch of homeboys if it had been me in that truck, either that or shot one of them and watch the rest beating feet to urgent bidness elsewhere. My friend, it's too bad that he stopped his truck at a stoplight when a riot was in progress, and perhaps more importantly that he failed to routinely lock his doors. (My duties in LA required two trips to LAX daily and my doors were always locked)
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#124. To: James Deffenbach, christine, Jethro Tull (#123)
Years ago a man in Portsmouth, VA told me something that validates your scenario. The man was legally transporting his 9mm pistol, having placed it on his dashboard in plain sight without the mag, which was on the seat next to him. He stopped at a traffic signal and was suddenly set upon by a group of predators. They surrounded him and tried all of his doors which were locked, then one yewt tried to stomp the windscreen out as the others banged on the car body, which would for most folks (and me) create a climate of extreme fear. The would be victim reached for his pistol and inserted the magazine. He looked around and then asked himself, "Where did they go?" Yes my friend, in the time it took for him to look down for the mag and slam it home the the high spirited lads vanished as if in a heavily promoted David Copperfield event! Needless to say his theory about personal empowerment was validated that day and without firing a shot. Now, for the benefit of the 4nicators who insist on projecting evil intentions on Zimmerman, allow me to write a paragraph detailing what I know happened before Zimmerman fired his sidearm: Beginning here:[ ] The end. I don't know diddly about the events that led to a fatal shooting because I wasn't there. And those who wish to conjure their own facts would not want to be judged by jurors who discard facts in evidence then substitute their own prejudices. As I said before, this may be one of the worst examples of justifiable homicide I know of. And, like it or not, even a nigger hatin' son of a bitch has the right to defend his life, even if the dead man recognized that he was being monitored by a racist who "deserved a ass whuppin' for not lovin us!". LET'S ALL SING! We're non violent niggas, we're peace luvin' bruthas...dem white folks better luv us OR WE'RE GONNA KILL DEM ROTTEN MUTHAS!" Whites in America are so beaten down with guilt (a remnant of post Civil War Reconstruction) that it paralyzes them. And many not too intelligent blacks believe they can summarily punish whites for our skin color. Some blacks are so stupid that they don't know that under certain circs they can forfeit their lives, which is exactly what Trayvon Martin did. The simple truth that no one has yet said is, (1) even a nigger hatin' son of a bitch can volunteer for Neighborhood Watch, and any black who instinctively senses that a watch volunteer is wise to blacks' predisposition to crime should not assume that he can punish that white volunteer, because it could result in the death of the black. (2) If Martin attacked Zimmerman in the mistaken belief that Reconstruction never ended, then he foolishly and fatally validated the fact that he had criminal tendencies in general and a propensity for violence against whites in particular, right? "How so?", some will incredulously ask. There was only one surviving witness and no one to dispute his statement, and no physical evidence to contradict his account. To those who wish to retry the case here at 4 I say, I feel your pain I really really do. But the two conclusions above would not be unreasonable for a jury to agree upon, especially if any jurors were also wise to the threat that blacks represent to any white caught in dangerous circs. This includes the simple misfortune of blowing a tire near the wrong neighborhood at the time of day when creatures of the night awaken, looking for the means to burn off the sugars they consumed (COCO PUFFS, LUCKY CHARMS, etc.,.) before crashing at the end of their shift at 4 AM or thereabout. He still suffers to this day from what they did to him. I would have run over a bunch of homeboys if it had been me in that truck, either that or shot one of them and watch the rest beating feet to urgent bidness elsewhere.
#125. To: HOUNDDAWG (#124)
Beginning here:[ ] The end. I don't know diddly about the events that led to a fatal shooting because I wasn't there. I'm thinking you oughta get a Nobel Peace Prize nomination for your honesty there. Right and I don't think I've done that. If you do, please point me to it. A Vulcan Death Grip joke was invented but not by me -- to discard relevant facts in evidence as to Zimmerman's Military service/training per his own statements. Projecting evil intentions and actions that night onto Trayvon for which there is no evidence amounts to substituting prejudice for facts and lots of people have been ok with that while objecting to any reservations about Zimmerman as bias and such. Scrutiny, skepticism and assessing motives of the defendant charged with killing someone isn't the same as that, imo. It's par for the judicial course. Disagreeing with the verdict based on the evidence isn't a denial of societal and racial problems here and conflating this case as if it's a microcosm of all that to divide Americans against one another further is not helping matters. It is making them worse and wantonly endangering others more in the process over misplaced faith, pride, retribution, etc. What we can know happened by research verification is that Zimmerman's story has been marketed as if fact and insistently substituted as evidence but even his own recitals don't support it. allow me to write a paragraph detailing what I know happened before Zimmerman fired his sidearm:
And those who wish to conjure their own facts would not want to be judged by jurors who discard facts in evidence then substitute their own prejudices.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#126. To: Jethro Tull (#93)
This is why TM wasn't charged with stolen property and possession of burglar tools This is an extension of Clinton's request for help from big city police chiefs and administrators. He asked that the locals (mostly minorities and Democrats) fail to write up as many crimes as possible so they wouldn't be included in the FBI's year end Uniform Crime Report. Clinton wanted to realize a miraculous cultural paradigm shift in the cities in less than six months since the passage of The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 which Clinton described as, "the toughest, largest and smartest federal attack on crime in the history of...[the country]," As you know, there is no law that punishes such policies, and the likelihood of any being passed is slim now that crime stats are manipulated at the national level for political gain. It's interesting that the Florida school system police chief started a manhunt for the criminal insider who did him in. And according to a retired teacher friend of mine the same treatment may be expected by any teacher here who refuses to push blacks through the grades. When my friend was confronted by angry black parents after their son (who didn't even bring a pencil to class) failed, the parents' response to the fact that the kid never turned in any homework and flunked every test was, "The other teachers pass him!" We're slowly reaching the point where we'll have to admit that it's just plain wrong to hold American blacks to European standards. Our laws, our educational curricula and our means of testing aptitude simply don't suit the creatures that many wish to believe are our "eekwals". And the media war on Zimmerman is the opening volley against the shall issue laws that have passed. Sooner or later the MSM will have to explain why so many states have been pressured into passing these laws, which traditionally are not supported by politicians. And those who control the printing presses and electronic media know that legally armed citizens will force violent offenders to carefully select their targets, and bow tied liberals with briefcases are as horrified at the thought of buying and wearing plaid shirts and CAT POWER ball caps as they are at the thought of being stomped to death after surrendering their valuables and accompanying their attackers to the nearest ATM.
#127. To: HOUNDDAWG, 4 (#126)
A powerful post, and this a powerful comment. National crime stats are as accurate as the deficit/debt leger compiled by the Feds. Normal people reject both as political bullshit; a jump ball for the Ds and Rs to bicker over. And don't you just love those who toss in their personal anecdotes about the good and decent friends of color they know and love? What a surprise it will be to that clueless bunch when they become a statistic. As obvious as the Zimmerman agenda was to us, it has already become a distant memory to newer, nastier Black on White crimes. The only logical end to this mess is one side dominating the other. As long as whites maintain their weapons, we'll be fine. The ongoing attack on our 2nd is about to take a new leap when Obamacare is fully implemented. If a person is taking meds, or has a medical condition they deem dangerous to gun ownership, they will come a knocking. The choice will then be to surrender them and risk becoming a victim, or to resist what has become a tyrannical government. And the media war on Zimmerman is the opening volley against the shall issue laws that have passed. Sooner or later the MSM will have to explain why so many states have been pressured into passing these laws, which traditionally are not supported by politicians. And those who control the printing presses and electronic media know that legally armed citizens will force violent offenders to carefully select their targets, and bow tied liberals with briefcases are as horrified at the thought of buying and wearing plaid shirts and CAT POWER ball caps as they are at the thought of being stomped to death after surrendering their valuables and accompanying their attackers to the nearest ATM.
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