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Title: Overpasses For Obama's Impeachment, Two Patriots Arrested
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyV_8BKwrlc
Published: Aug 18, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-08-18 23:25:46 by Horse
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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Bow down before the Head Nigger In Charge: Obama

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-08-18   23:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#0) (Edited)

for failing to obey an order from the officer

You know, because we are subjects.

Or we are rebel insurgents.

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titorite  posted on  2013-08-19   0:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Horse (#0)

...and of course all charges will be dropped, with a "You're free to go." ain't America great.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

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Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-08-19   0:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse (#0)

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-08-19   1:35:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Horse (#0)

Video: St. Charles, Missouri

From the Description: Oh, and one more thing, they never read us our Miranda Rights.

Missouri again -- like the rodeo clown targeting by Obama's Commie comrades feewing tuff, I gess.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-19   2:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Horse, Greymist (#0)

1st off, Fuck Obama and EVERYONE ELSE IN D.C.

OK, just in case anyone was wondering, THERE AIN'T NO CONSTITUTION AT THE BANK.

The bank (FEDERAL RESERVE) owns the FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY and you. All events are taking place within the bank and NOT THE ORGANIC place called America.

Try to comprehend that the so-called Constitution was set up under an honest monetary system of gold and silver coinage, which comes from the earth (land) and wherever this system operates there is common law (supreme law of the land) and potential for a Constitution. It's called CHOICE OF LAW. Choice of law is dependent upon the MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE employed by the parties. The commercial paper we call money dictates the usage of commercial law. (Greymist, the CON sti-stupid is a red herring to some degree and keeps patriots from actually refusing to cooperate with the criminal motherfuckers in D.C.)

As long as the population uses FRNs and FEDERAL CREDIT or takes benefits from the FEDERAL (reserve) GOVERNMENT - get used to being told what to do or not do by assholes like the cops in this video because you are a fucking slave to the conveniences and niceties provided to you by the nigger - Uncle Sambo !

Look in the mirror to locate the REAL PROBLEM !

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-19   7:03:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Horse (#0)

"I DIDN'T CITE NO LAW", the trooper says. HA! That is a GREAT video and this is a case that even the aclu will take for free.

they cannot tell the people that they must leave because of some allegaed boogeyman that might occur.

and in reality, police themselves with 5 cars there on the overpass is what is more likely to cause a backup or distraction wreck than a few signs.

ive seen more than one wreck caused by backups and distractions which police cause.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-08-19   8:01:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Horse, lod (#0)

By the way, I am familiar with St Charles Missouri and it is a very nice place. Missouri in general is a very nice place and one which stands out to me as a very nice and pleasant area of the u.s. I am there quite often.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-08-19   8:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: noone222 (#6)

et used to being told what to do or not do by assholes like the cops in this video because you are a fucking slave

No.. Mist ain't no slave. And neither am I.

Some of us are awake and aware.

Some of us do more than just post here.

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titorite  posted on  2013-08-19   12:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: titorite (#9)

If you're still in their system then you are a wide awake and aware slave. Not only that, you're supporting them.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-19   13:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#6)

Look in the mirror to locate the REAL PROBLEM !

There's got to be something we can do besides that. Do you have a Plan B?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-19   21:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GreyLmist (#11) (Edited)

Most people think the (constitution or better stated lack of it) problem that we must address is political. It's not at all political. It's commercial. If we want a constitutional / common-law form of government we have to stop doing business with criminals. (The system that has so many trapped is a commercial bank that acts in some matters like government by providing some services but is no less A BANK. This bank has the ability to rule over us (and most others on earth temporarily) through its ability to create fictional money and credit that we Americans are addicted to because armed forces are employed to insure it. People pretend that they have no responsibility for the mass slaying of women and children all over the world necessary to provide them their conveniences yet most refuse to accept that their lifestyle or standard of living REQUIRES IT. The BANK pretending to be government steals the wealth of other nations by force and lets a few crumbs be spread amongst those that support it, Americans.

It truly is that simple but most people are either afraid to leave the system or refuse to address the problem because they're dependent on it or somewhat comfortable with it. People like to bitch about the way things are but refuse to actually do that which is necessary to correct it.

The constitution itself even provides the liberty to decide for ourselves by stating plainly that we have the right to contract without interference. FEDERAL enslavement is by contract.

EDIT: Stop and think for a moment, FRNs are an internal bank (accounting) device. What people fail to notice (or refuse to admit) is that they've been dragged INTO THE BANK (and away from their constitution) through any of a myriad of agreements / licenses / contracts.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-20   3:05:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: noone222 (#12) (Edited)

Before we came along, the system was changed from people gathering food and water for survival in shelters they could build to gathering FRNs first or they can't have what they need of food and shelter to survive or survive well. Can't afford land or other shelter necessities or even a license to hunt and fish, can't have that except by the "largesse" of those in the system. The predatory have even tried to outlaw collecting rainwater and irrigating crops (like in Klamath). If people can't survive or barely so, how will the system be changed? They don't need a guilt trip. They need alternatives but where are the alternatives for at least the next generations to survive better? Time is usually being spent instead on discussing everything but what needs to be done, except in terms of a shooting Civil War, and as if the meaning of Freedom is for each of us to struggle alone the best we can without bothering others about support lines and teamwork and such.

Stomping down the Constitution -- that we and the next generations need to comprehend for the Republic to flourish -- so that there can be almost exclusive focus on the dictatorial Commerical Banking system governmentally, which we haven't managed to challenge much ourselves, will do what besides make people more detached from their duties to guard the Constitution and our Republic? The commercial banking system does not have the right to replace our form of government by contracting with a majority of others who don't see that happening or don't care if it does. Our Military's job is to prevent our Constitutional form of government from being overthrown, by displacement contractually or otherwise. If you want them, as well, to think there's no Constitution to protect unless we have gold and silver supplies to transact with, then what do you expect people to do besides shrug at the announcement of the banksters and their paper devices as acting superiorly? It reminds me of a Paper/PM Rock/Scissors game and you have it arranged like the scissors are only for shredding the Constitution or as a tool to mine metals instead of separating disloyalists from our system.

Edited for spacing + last 2 sentences of 1st paragraph and the 1st of paragraph 2.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-20   10:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: noone222 (#12) (Edited)

Stop and think for a moment, FRNs are an internal bank (accounting) device. What people fail to notice (or refuse to admit) is that they've been dragged INTO THE BANK (and away from their constitution) through any of a myriad of agreements / licenses / contracts.

So, you're saying there that the bank is holding Americans hostage through their faux agreements / licenses / contracts -- or maybe you think those are valid devices. I don't think the capture of our people, our economy and our nation is valid. The question is: How do we free them?

Edited sentence 1.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-20   10:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GreyLmist (#14)

or maybe you think those are valid devices.

Doesn't matter much what I think. What does matter is how courts rule.

How do we free them?

I guess we could go to war with them (bad idea) or just quit participating in their financial system, don't apply for their permission to do anything, work for cash as an independent contractor, quit all so-called government programs. For some this will be very difficult. We do have choices. We can continue to finance the military industrial murdering complex or not. Sure, there may have to be sacrifices made - but what about all of those people that are having their lives destroyed or ended ?

Truth is no one should accept FRNs for wages. They're "debt" instruments.

It's going to take time, determination and a lot of patience to turn the country around but conducting business as usual ain't gonna get it done.

Once one becomes accustomed to being out of the system it becomes second nature and not difficult at all.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-20   18:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: noone222 (#15) (Edited)

Me: How do we free them?

You: I guess we could go to war with them (bad idea) or just quit participating in their financial system, don't apply for their permission to do anything, work for cash as an independent contractor, quit all so-called government programs. For some this will be very difficult. We do have choices. We can continue to finance the military industrial murdering complex or not. Sure, there may have to be sacrifices made - but what about all of those people that are having their lives destroyed or ended ?

Truth is no one should accept FRNs for wages. They're "debt" instruments.

It's going to take time, determination and a lot of patience to turn the country around but conducting business as usual ain't gonna get it done.

Once one becomes accustomed to being out of the system it becomes second nature and not difficult at all.

Sorry for the delay in checking my pings. Without an alternative system, there are many people like the elderly and handicapped who couldn't make it in your model. Even people who are able to work can barely survive now as it is. What do you think about this Alaska model of provisions as a start but in an alternative currency? I think some Native Americans have a similar system apportioned by total revenues:

America needs a basic income guarantee

a guaranteed income -- or Basic Income Guarantee -- is not discussed much anymore. But it remains, as the late economist Milton Friedman always maintained, the most practical and sensible way to end poverty in America and provide economic security to all Americans.

Today we have more than 14 million Americans unemployed with no evidence to back up the claim that we can create jobs for everyone who wants one. Machines are doing work people used to do. Jobs are not coming back. Some families are six months from poverty.

To rely on jobs and economic growth does not work. Job creation is a completely wrong approach because the world doesn't need everyone to have a job in order to produce what is needed. We need to rethink the concept of having a job. When we say we need more jobs, what we really mean is we need more money to live on.

Indeed, the state of Alaska has given an annual cash grant to its people for the past 30 years of between $800 and $2000.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-23   13:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#15)

You, and our man Doug from Bastrop, are the two most non-participatory people that I know, and I salute you both.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-08-23   14:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: noone222 (#15)

Having a small business at a flea market is another great idea. It is highly profitable and very difficult for them to tax.

"The Best Way to Control the Opposition is to Lead it." Vladimir Lenin "I am not a Marxist." Karl Marx

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2013-08-23   19:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod (#17)

Doug from Bastrop

It would surely help if EVERYONE quit participating all at the same time. Some folks couldn't make it because they depend on SS and I believe they deserve it. It's a situation where we as a people need to work to remedy this crooked monetary system.

I haven't heard a peep from Doug since Peter Schenk had a radio show. Man, he was funny to listen to especially when he got shit faced out in his truck.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-24   6:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dead Culture Watch (#18)

Having a small business at a flea market is another great idea. It is highly profitable and very difficult for them to tax.

Any way that people can work together to decrease the control of the FED RES and the FED GOV (same ownership) is a step in the right direction. The good people of this country need to stand together and let the FEDS know we're not putting up with their shit anymore. They're liars, thieves, and murderers without conscience that use us like slave laborers, or grunts to fight their bullshit wars. Enuf !

Flea markets, day labor, or some other services for cash only are great ideas. Here in Texas many of the larger ranches provide shelter, food, a vehicle and cash for their ranch hands. It's too bad that the people have bent over to such a degree for Uncle Sambo. The ever expanding reach of the feds must be curtailed and the people educated towards independence and freedom.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-24   6:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lod (#17)

Sometimes I get so pissed off that I run my mouth about exiting the system. I realize everyone can't do it nor should they have to do it. The lies that have been FED to us and our ancestors about everything are tantamount to criminal fraud and actually tend to make us accomplices in their genocidal attacks upon little kids internationally.

Lod, when I see those litle kids being gassed to death I really want to scream in anguish for them and their families. If I were an arab at this point in time I'd be a serious threat to those wishing to harm my children.

God I hope America wakes up ! Did they give the head nigger the Nobel Peace Prize in order to determine how fucking stupid we are ??? Ya can'tmake this shit up.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-24   6:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GreyLmist (#16)

Your post made me think about the conditions that we have as opposed to what we need to have. I'm not one for supporting a free lunch. However, a society that works together towards a goal of self sufficiency and independence for all of the people should be able to share in the wealth they help create. I honestly think Hitler did this and the shylocks had to kill him for it, before the entire world shook the kike bankers off their asses like dingle berries.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-24   7:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: noone222 (#22)

I honestly think Hitler did this and the shylocks had to kill him for it, before the entire world shook the kike bankers off their asses like dingle berries.

That's correct. As I recall, "The Greatest Story Never Told" details that. We fought on the wrong side in WWII.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2013-08-24   7:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: noone222, 4 (#21)

God I hope America wakes up ! Did they give the head nigger the Nobel Peace Prize in order to determine how fucking stupid we are ??? Ya can't make this shit up.

No ya can't.

I remind myself daily that this bizarro-world is Satan's playground until Christ returns in order to retain my sanity.

KTSA is prolly Doug's night-time station for 40's consumption and kitty-feeding in his truck...I'll let him know you miss his call-in wisdom.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-08-24   10:43:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: noone222 (#22) (Edited)

Your post made me think about the conditions that we have as opposed to what we need to have. I'm not one for supporting a free lunch. However, a society that works together towards a goal of self sufficiency and independence for all of the people should be able to share in the wealth they help create.

That's great news at sentence 3 and the part at #20, too, about Americans standing together. :)

To help educate people towards independence and freedom (like you also said at #20) by thinking BIG/Basic Income Guarantee without confusing it as a "free lunch", I'd say that we need to not just rethink the concept of having a job (as the article at #16 said) but also the concept of what a job is in terms of what's needed for a well-functioning Societal Economy, rather than just a Business Economy of dependency and scarcity for profiteering motives. For instance, in a Societal Economy, everybody could participate in contributing to the maintenance and advancement of it -- even children, the elderly and handicapped because their needs and participation provides many jobs for others. So, a Basic Income Guarantee for them should not be considered like a "free lunch". In order for other people to work best at their jobs for the benefit of society, they should not be in distress about survival needs, so a Basic Income Guarantee for those able to work should not be considered a "free lunch" either but like the tools needed to be optimally and positively productive for society. Also, instead of doing nothing, if someone can churn butter by hand even though a machine could do it more efficiently but that's not available, then at least they would be doing something constructive which could keep costs down in other areas like Crime-Policing and such.

Years ago and somewhere else, I suggested something like a dividend-sharing plan among Constitutionalits based on America's estimated resources with the object being for the shares to grow smaller as more people joined in as loyalists to the Constitution. As the membership grew, the resource dividend would be less but a societal dividend would greatly increase. Wasn't much interest in that as an option but we've discussed others here with alternative currencies and even precious metals eventually that I think are workable. What say you on which way we should go from here?

Edited last sentence of paragraph 1.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-24   20:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GreyLmist, noone222, Esso, 4 (#25)

What say you on which way we should go from here?

If we don't awaken a bunch more people here, many will be headed to FEMA camps, graveyards, and other not so pleasant destinations.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-08-24   21:41:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Lod (#26)

If we don't awaken a bunch more people here, many will be headed to FEMA camps, graveyards, and other not so pleasant destinations.

Waking people up before there's something in place that they can turn to for better options with something they can do might discourage some and others might impede the process by not seeing how it could work. I think the faster we start building it, though, the faster they'll get there in droves. :)

Field of Dreams arrivals

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-24   22:16:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GreyLmist (#27)

I'm discouraged that anything more than on a personal/family level will ever yield good results...and should it begin to do so, fedgov will murder all that are involved.

You know the stories as well as I.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-08-24   22:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Lod (#28)

I'm discouraged that anything more than on a personal/family level will ever yield good results...and should it begin to do so, fedgov will murder all that are involved.

You know the stories as well as I.

We need a new economy of our own that isn't dependent on the standard Business model, which can't or won't provide the means for American society to meet its needs and flourish. I'm in favor of everybody being self-employed but, to build an economy for ourselves, we'd need to be able to trade and transact on a larger scale than our personal families. Likely people have been killed by the engineered conditions here being so inadequate. Killing people for trying to survive better would be monstrous but also extremely stupid, since the more self-sufficient we can be, the more financial savings there'd be for the fedgov to direct towards things like budget matters and infrastructure improvements.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-25   3:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)

I'd like to see a tri-metal backed currency. Gold, silver and copper (others might work as well) with established values based upon long term estimates and not the current manipulated artificially low values. (A legitimate currency wouldn't necessarily require metal backing at all. It would require that we as a nation produce products that other nations need or want to buy.

Since there wasn't any inflation in the US prior to issuance of the credit based fiat currency we could expect the same. This concept would likely have to operate concurrently with the fiat system for awhile ... in the end real money would replace the usury based currency.

"MORE IMPORTANT" than the operation of transactions free of debt based interest payments is the fact that we would automatically return to common law and the Constitution. As long as we remain tied to the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM it's as if we all work for the bank, use their internal paper (FRNs) / negotiable instruments to transact business, and collect our wages in FRNs.

Think about: How can a silver liberty (one dollar) or a gold double eagle (20 dollars) co-exist at face value within the same system when it takes 28 FRNs to obtain a silver dollar or 1400 FRNs to obtain a 20 dollar gold coin ? They do not exist in the same legal jurisdiction. The FRNs and those choosing to use them exist within the bank or FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM.

In all likelihood the FED (which really means all of those complicit elites or the PTB) will refuse to give up their free money monopoly without witnessing a few of their colleagues strung up and de-nutted.

A civil war is something that I believe the PTB think will finally solidify their total control.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-25   6:20:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: noone222 (#30)

I'd like to see a tri-metal backed currency. Gold, silver and copper (others might work as well) with established values based upon long term estimates and not the current manipulated artificially low values. (A legitimate currency wouldn't necessarily require metal backing at all. It would require that we as a nation produce products that other nations need or want to buy.

Since there wasn't any inflation in the US prior to issuance of the credit based fiat currency we could expect the same. This concept would likely have to operate concurrently with the fiat system for awhile ... in the end real money would replace the usury based currency.

"MORE IMPORTANT" than the operation of transactions free of debt based interest payments is the fact that we would automatically return to common law and the Constitution. As long as we remain tied to the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM it's as if we all work for the bank, use their internal paper (FRNs) / negotiable instruments to transact business, and collect our wages in FRNs.

Think about: How can a silver liberty (one dollar) or a gold double eagle (20 dollars) co-exist at face value within the same system when it takes 28 FRNs to obtain a silver dollar or 1400 FRNs to obtain a 20 dollar gold coin ? They do not exist in the same legal jurisdiction. The FRNs and those choosing to use them exist within the bank or FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM.

In all likelihood the FED (which really means all of those complicit elites or the PTB) will refuse to give up their free money monopoly without witnessing a few of their colleagues strung up and de-nutted.

A civil war is something that I believe the PTB think will finally solidify their total control.

I'd like to see an economy that is focused on America first and global trade only if we have surpluses.

There's been a movement for years to take copper pennies out of circulation because the metal is worth more a penny. There's also been some concern about copper linked to Alzheimer's. Just saying. Then there's the competition problem to consider about precious metals (which are already scarce for us to obtain) being used industrially and commercially. This video that I saw at rumormillnews.com speaks around the 15 minute point on the problem of commodity pricing of gold and silver versus currency pricing: YOU ARE THE SOVEREIGN. We need set values for coinage that aren't alterable by market values.

This site, referenced at that video, speaks of legal action, if necessary (like an injunction/restraining order - under Required Reading there and also discussed in the above video), to try and protect us from being harmed by the current rogue-imposed systems: YOU ARE THE SOVEREIGN - YouTube. My favorite part was where it was said in the first few minutes that the Consitution is the government. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-26   10:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: All (#31)

We need set values for coinage that aren't alterable by market values.

Or maybe the values of our coinage should increase above their base rates when market prices go up so that we have more purchasing power then.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-26   10:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GreyLmist (#31)

My favorite part was where it was said in the first few minutes that the Constitution is the government. :)

Truly, I always thought that the Constitution was the law of the land (it is) and that it created the government. I still think that martial law is the end of the authorization for legitimate government authority other than what can be imposed by force of arms.

We only have as many rights as we're capable of enforcing. I've watched a ton of these "Sovereign" videos. Some of them are very accurate while others are not so much.

I'm viewing this one now.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-27   4:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: GreyLmist (#31)

This guy, Zeke, is saying many of the same things other "patriots" and "sovereigns" have said, but he almost "gets it right" about the money and law.

Most (somewhat concerned) people are so stuck on their faith (belief) in the Constitution that they have cognitive dissonance relative to other law. It's a sad shortcut to prison for many that have let themselves fall under the hypnotic spell cast by the Constitution. That's why I continue to seemingly preach the FACT that the "medium of exchange" dictates the "CHOICE of law" and the fact that we're in commerce 24/7 by choice. In commerce the Constitution is just a piece of paper.

However, the controllers don't want to let the cat out of the money bag. That's why they promote bullshit supporting "constitutional law / decisions" which ultimately put patriots in jail. So, most of the time simply using FRNs won't subject you or me to commercial law, but signing up to vote, for SSNs, get a bank account, have a mail box, etc., will subject you to FEDERAL authority. When you sign up for anything that exists in the "FICTIONAL WORLD OF COMMERCE" you have joined THEIR CLUB ! [Keep it real and survive].

When the FEDERAL RESERVE (Rothschild Bank) became the owner/monopoly of the medium of exchange (creator of money/policy) they also dictate the "CHOICE" of law.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood’s school. And the one man who dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.

– Plato (429-347 BC)

noone222  posted on  2013-08-27   4:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: noone222, All (#31)

There's been a movement for years to take copper pennies out of circulation because the metal is worth more [than] a penny.

Wanted to correct that sentence with the bracketed insert and post some examples of that movement:

1. 4um Title: "Farmers' Almanac" predicts a "bitterly cold" winter [from the last 4 paragraphs of the opening article]

in this year's edition [of the Maine-based Farmers' Almanac], editor Peter Geiger is leading a campaign to get people to ditch the penny, like Canada is doing. ... He wants people to donate pennies to charity and then lobby Congress to stop making them.

"They don't get used very much. They get tossed. The only real use of a penny is if you save tens of thousands of them, then you can use them to help someone," he said.

2. Videos: Holocaust Penny Campaign since 1999 - religion-based project in public schools, as well as communities:

RIHOPE PENNY DRIVE - 2 minutes

RIHOPE has gathered together with the Virginia Holocaust Museum to help raise 6 million pennies to represent the 6 million jewish souls that were lost during the [holocaust]

penny drive - 2 minutes

NBC12 News: 6 million Jews lost their lives in the Holocaust. This summer, the Virginia Holocaust Museum is working to honor them with their penny campaign. Sherrie Moore of the Richmond International House of Prayer spoke about the drive on NBC12 News at Noon with Heather Sullivan

Holocaust Pennies Project - 5.5 minutes

WREG-TV/CBS Memphis, Tennessee [reporting about Desoto County school project, Horn Lake, Mississipi?]

Some discussion at the 4um topic on how taking pennies out of circulation and rounding prices upward benefits tax collection. Might make them collector items too.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-27   9:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: All (#31)

This video that I saw at rumormillnews.com speaks around the 15 minute point on the problem of commodity pricing of gold and silver versus currency pricing: YOU ARE THE SOVEREIGN. We need set values for coinage that aren't alterable by market values.

This site, referenced at that video, speaks of legal action, if necessary (like an injunction/restraining order - under Required Reading there and also discussed in the above video), to try and protect us from being harmed by the current rogue-imposed systems: Power Politics | Exercising Judicial Power.

My favorite part [of the video] was where it was said in the first few minutes that the Consitution is the government. :)

That was a rushed mess. Corrected the site title at the 2nd link and moved the last sentence down with bracketed insert for reference clarification.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-27   10:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: All (#35)

Post #31: There's also been some concern about copper linked to Alzheimer's. Just saying. Then there's the competition problem to consider about precious metals (which are already scarce for us to obtain) being used industrially and commercially.

I'd like to keep pennies in our monetary system but maybe make them with something besides copper, especially if handling them much could pose a possible health risk. Not sure if it does but here's a 4um reference on that aspect potentially: Copper linked to Alzheimer's disease

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-27   10:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: noone222 (#34) (Edited)

Posts by noone222 at #33 and #34

Have to do some errands. Grouping for reply when I can get back here.

Edited sentence 2.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-27   10:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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