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Title: Do you refrain from saying certain things, since we humans now have no privacy whatsoever?
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Published: Sep 13, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-09-13 18:45:33 by Artisan
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all humans have conversations which are inherently private & intimate. we are entitled to this privacy as an inherent natural human right. But since the evil govt is now known to potentially listen, monitor & record all human interactions, has that changed the very nature of human communication & undermined peace, dignity, & confidence itself? where are the clergymen condemning this outrage?
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#1. To: Artisan (#0)
out in public i do, but not at home.
Yes, I now use known euphemisms or abbreviations of certain topics in my communications; absolutely, I do.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
tor me this isnt about political views but rather, way beyond that. its mind boggling that we live in a world with no expectation of privacy anywhere. cellphones & devices recording you when turned off etc. i cant properly describe how much an outrageous affront this is.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Well, I can't say that I do. ~~~~~~~~ Not when discussing issues with the voices in my head with the exception of that one asshole in there.... However, I don't tweet or facebook or social media at all because I simply do not wish to monitor my own expression or question it continually to determine if it's all PC enough for the lot of the listeners. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Yes, in this police state, I don't want to draw unwanted attention to myself. Of course, it sucks, but it is what it is. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I expect it. It's their system. They also own the airwaves all data is exchanged on.
Support bacteria. (The world needs more culture)
Those creating the devices used to monitor everyone's every move are just as unamerican as those using them and should be subject to harsh disciplinary treatment. If ya get my drift.
But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Bastiat
I can honestly say all this snooping comes as no surprise and no it hasn't stopped me from communicating differently.
Totalitarian regimes are like that. They live in a psychotic world where even a hint of disagreement feels threatening to the rulers of such a system. Totalitarianism, by definition, is total control over not just action but speech and thought as well. Why do you think the Psychs are so heavily involved? It is because the psychotic control freaks at the top of the power pyramid operate under a mania and despite outward appearances to the contrary are quite insane. It is a measure of their insanity that any disagreement, no matter how slight, is regarded as a threat, and under the materialistic paradigm of Psychiatry, and Psychology, there is no existence beyond the material and therefore man is an animal and you can do whatever you want to an animal. So, for individuals who are screaming psychotics, they simply must know what all of the serfs are thinking and saying. How else do you prevent people from thinking for themselves and developing an inclination to fight back against the predation of the Banksters and their Psych Overseers? While it would take me a couple of days to write this out with adequate footnotes it can be summed up as at this moment in time we live in a psychotic dominated governmental system (not that all of them are psychotic, but the ones in key positions are) incapable of accepting the notion of a free society as the thought sends them into a psychotic frenzy of fear. Given that the long list of vile and unspeakable crimes that can be laid at their feet it drives them even deeper into psychosis as they seek to evade a just comeuppance for their crimes. In their distorted universe everyone is a threat. Look at how they have created all manner of documents and descriptions classifying all manner of ordinary well meaning people as potential terrorists. That it IS all in their distorted fear filled minds is witnessed, and supported, by the fact that they have been committing most, if not all, of the terrorist acts they rail against and use as justification for further restrictions upon liberty. The criminal elite is sick, and dangerous. Given their sway they would turn this planet into the living incarnation of hell - one vast dungeon of unspeakable horrors ruled over by the Bankster (self-styled) elite. Dante's "Inferno" would be a Sunday "Walk in the Park" in comparison. And I see no point in being overly circumspect as the criminally insane spooks have been at this more than long enough to identify anyone who carries the spark of liberty. Spooks have their own manias, but the one in common with Bankster Criminal Elite is their fear of being held to account for their misdeeds. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha It's pure paranoia on their part, and with good reason. They've been up to some very bad shit and know that eventually they'll have to answer for it. Only this time, there won't be any Allies there to save their asses.
Support bacteria. (The world needs more culture)
Yes, it is an insane paranoia, and yes, they do have reason to be fearful of being held to account for their crimes against humanity. It is an interesting "Catch-22" in that their psychotic fear of others, and perverse desire to dominate totally, is what drives them to their criminal actions and as each crime joins the last they become even more psychotic. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha With every revelation made by Snowden, et al, the more valid is their paranoia (not insane) based on facts of reality. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I learned to swear in Greek when I worked at Mary Ann Bakery in Chicago as a young man. I do not think anyone but a Greek would understand that stuff. I will not repeat any of it here, but believe me, it gets under their skin. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
With every revelation made by Snowden, et al, the more valid is their paranoia (not insane) based on facts of reality. Yes, the crimes committed are real, but I am looking at what drove them both commit them and then the actions afterward. Sane, or reasonably so, people do not engage in mass murder, pedophelia, torture, degrading their fellow man with dope, etc., .... And then come up with inhuman and insane solutions to dilemma of how to avoid their just reward. That is why I mentioned their psychoses as a "Catch-22" or perhaps more accurately a dwindling spiral. The more crimes they commit the more psychotic they become, the more psychotic they become the more crimes they commit, etc., .... It is almost, but not quite, a "Chicken or the Egg" type of question. At some point in time their was a first crime that drove all of the rest of the dwindling spiral. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha Does it seem like I do? The Feds would have nailed me years ago if they were interested, it's groups like the SPLC haranguing my employer that worry me the most. corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
you make good points & what kind of psycho would have a job spying on peoples intimate conversations? i dont care if 'they' know my political views, but its the intrusion on private conversations that i consider an even more egregious violation. and the nsa gives it all to israel! imagine whats involved here.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
and what if it were not PC? what would the listeners do?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Keep tabs, use it against a person at a convenient time. Have you ever read how this worked in the 50's when they were hunting Commies? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
This is one of the things I lecture my son on: Pay attention and you'll see that the one who is quick to point the finger is always the one with the most to hide.
Support bacteria. (The world needs more culture)
LOLOL
yeah but unlike many today I believe that the hunt for commies & the desire to route them out was a legitimate enterprise. One look at our commie-fascist government today I think confirms this. and look at how people like father Coughlin are demonized and vilified when they were the ones warning about the fascist us govt and federal reserve banks, false flags, and warmonger dictators. He was actually a genius, but is demonized as a Nazi supporter, which he was actually the exact opposite. He explained such in great detail how americans should reject nazis and commies both, in all his books and recordings, which I have. and as far as people keeping tabs on internet posts, I understand why you may not want to post stuff. however, if its true, then how could it be 'used against you' other than to vindicate you. I once had some looney law professor write about me in a law book, and he included a post I had made anonymously under a username, on an internet forum called free republic. so even though youre 'abraxas', theoretically, there could be antagonists/obsessives that can find your posts and attribute them to your real name. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Same here. I'd have to be phony, which I hate, and if you do it for a long time and get good at it it probably messes you up. "If an angry bigot assumes this bountiful cause of Abolition, and comes to me with his last news from Barbados, why should I not say to him, 'Go love thy infant; love thy wood-chopper: be good-natured and modest; have that grace; and never varnish your hard, uncharitable ambition with this incredible tenderness for black folk a thousand miles off. Thy love afar is spite at home.'" Many tell the truth and are vilified mercilessly. People die for telling the truth or are stripped of all that they have worked for in life. Remember, some areas of work and expertise are more prone to vilification. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I don't like the phony either and I don't like the notion that self monitoring is needed constantly. Imagine what all this data could do to people who the government determines are "subversive" and such.......they have the power to sick the IRS on you at any time and they have done this many times to many people. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
oh, i see. that is a good point. i guess thats why people like helen thomas & immy carter wait until theyre old to cause a ruckus.;-) "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I admired that Helen spoke out as she did given her position.......but yes, at the time she did so her career was behind her and same for Jimmy. I very much admire Snowden because his career was ahead of him! God bless and protect Edward Snowden. IMHO, he is a true patriot and hero. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I very much admire Snowden because his career was ahead of him! God bless and protect Edward Snowden. IMHO, he is a true patriot and hero. Amen bump “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Many tell the truth and are vilified mercilessly. People die for telling the truth or are stripped of all that they have worked for in life. Remember, some areas of work and expertise are more prone to vilification. Look at Paul Craig Roberts. His old "friends" will not even speak to him for fear of being tainted with the truth. However, he has fared better than many, and like some others waited until he was past the prime of his career (and no doubt had/has a muscular bank balance) to notice the truth. "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha The Internet is public. I try not to say anything on the Internet that I wouldn't say in person. Sometimes I don't obey that rule though. The reverse though is rare, I rarely say things in person that I wouldn't say on the Internet, unless it's personal. I do get road rage from time to time, and I wish I could control that better. When someone nearly kills me by their bad driving, it tends to make me very mad. God is always good!
I tell my brother that I'll talk to him in person concerning the occasional topic I don't want Big Brother recording. I don't use social media platforms because I just don't care to join the mass of humanity that already uses them, there's no benefit to my life by doing so. Other than that, I just don't see myself as being so important that anybody from FedGov would spend any time delving into my life. My stated opinions regarding my disgust and revulsion towards FedGov are no secret, I'd tell my two U.S. Senators to their faces to fuck off and die, I'd tell Lil' Barry Soetoro that I'd personally hang him from an old oak tree given half a chance.
#2. To: Artisan (#0)
#3. To: christine, lod (#1)
#4. To: Artisan (#0)
Do you refrain from saying certain things...
Dollar DVD Project Liberty needs patriot activists
to help wake the town and tell the people. Do your
friends and family know what you know?
#5. To: Artisan (#0)
#6. To: Artisan, PSUSA2, 4 (#3)
#7. To: Artisan (#3)
#8. To: Artisan (#3)
#9. To: Artisan, 4 (#0)
#10. To: Artisan, christine, Lod, all (#3)
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tor me this isnt about political views but rather, way beyond that. its mind boggling that we live in a world with no expectation of privacy anywhere. cellphones & devices recording you when turned off etc. i cant properly describe how much an outrageous affront this is.
"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. . . Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. . . . We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electronic stimulation of the brain."
Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry at Yale University Medical School, Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118, Feb. 24, 1974. Delgado was reported as part of the "MK-Ultra" CIA mind-control program.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#11. To: Original_Intent (#10)
#12. To: Obnoxicated (#11)
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#13. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#12)
Yes, it is an insane paranoia, and yes, they do have reason to be fearful of being held to account for their crimes against humanity.
#14. To: Artisan (#0)
Do you refrain from saying certain things, since we humans now have no privacy whatsoever?
#15. To: Lod, all (#13)
Yes, it is an insane paranoia, and yes, they do have reason to be fearful of being held to account for their crimes against humanity.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#16. To: Artisan (#0)
(Edited)
Do you refrain from saying certain things, since we humans now have no privacy whatsoever?
#17. To: Original_Intent (#10)
#18. To: abraxas (#5)
#19. To: Artisan (#18)
and what if it were not PC? what would the listeners do?
#20. To: Original_Intent (#15)
#21. To: abraxas (#5)
Not when discussing issues with the voices in my head with the exception of that one asshole in there....
#22. To: abraxas (#19)
Keep tabs, use it against a person at a convenient time. Have you ever read how this worked in the 50's when they were hunting Commies?
#23. To: abraxas (#5)
However, I don't tweet or facebook or social media at all because I simply do not wish to monitor my own expression or question it continually to determine if it's all PC enough for the lot of the listeners.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance
#24. To: Artisan (#22)
however, if its true, then how could it be 'used against you' other than to vindicate you.
#25. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Artisan (#23)
#26. To: abraxas (#24)
some areas of work and expertise are more prone to villification
#27. To: Artisan (#26)
i guess thats why people like helen thomas & immy carter wait until theyre old to cause a ruckus.;-)
#28. To: abraxas, Artisan, 4 (#27)
I admired that Helen spoke out as she did given her position.......but yes, at the time she did so her career was behind her and same for Jimmy.
#29. To: abraxas, Artisan, Lod (#24)
however, if its true, then how could it be 'used against you' other than to vindicate you.
Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#30. To: christine (#1)
out in public i do, but not at home.
#31. To: Artisan (#0)
(Edited)
-Alex Kurtagic
#32. To: Artisan (#0)
Does the act of observation change the outcome. The general accept theory is yes but these entities paying attention we never know them.. never see them... And it is funny because this also means they let alot of people just get away with crime. I personally have not changed how I speak at all... then again I have been operating under the assumption that we were all being monitored since 01/
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