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Title: John McCain and Lindsey Graham criticise US-Russia deal on Syria
Source: The Guardian
URL Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/20 ... lindsey-graham-syria-statement
Published: Sep 14, 2013
Author: Martin Pengelly
Post Date: 2013-09-15 20:20:48 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 1394
Comments: 22

The Republican senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham have criticised the deal struck by the US and Russia regarding the destruction of Syria's chemical weapons stockpile. In a statement released on Saturday, McCain and Graham said the deal would give the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, time "to delay and deceive" while the country's civil war continued.

The statement said: "It requires a willful suspension of disbelief to see this agreement as anything other than the start of a diplomatic blind alley, and the Obama administration is being led into it by Bashar Assad and [Russian president] Vladimir Putin."

The agreement, which is the result of three days of talks in Geneva between the US secretary of state, John Kerry, and Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, was announced on Saturday morning. It requires Syria to provide a list of its chemical weapons within a week, to allow inspectors into the country by November and to help ensure the removal and destruction of all chemical weapons by the middle of 2014.

In their joint statement, however, McCain and Graham – who two weeks ago were invited to the White House, to discuss the administration's attempts to win Congressional support for military strikes in Syria – said: "What concerns us most is that our friends and enemies will take the same lessons from this agreement – they see it as an act of provocative weakness on America's part. We cannot imagine a worse signal to send to Iran as it continues its push for a nuclear weapon."

They added: "Assad will use the months and months afforded to him to delay and deceive the world using every trick in Saddam Hussein's playbook."

The statement concluded: "The only way this underlying conflict can be brought to a decent end is by significantly increasing our support to moderate opposition forces in Syria. We must strengthen their ability to degrade Assad's military advantage, change the momentum on the battlefield, and thereby create real conditions for a negotiated end to the conflict."

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Why do they publish the blatherings of a fool and a sissy?

Lod  posted on  2013-09-15   20:31:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why do they publish the blatherings of a fool and a sissy?

Examples of more such blatherings here:

U.S. Public-Elite Disconnect Emerges Over Syria - BlackListedNews.com

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-09-15   22:55:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why do they publish the blatherings of a fool and a sissy?

Examples of more such blatherings here:

U.S. Public-Elite Disconnect Emerges Over Syria - BlackListedNews.com

Definitely blathering. In a nutshell the American Public has become aware that offishul Washington lies with great regularity, and that there are no good reasons for us to become involved in the plunder of another country for someone else's benefit.

Simply put - the rationales for yet another pointless war are lies to cover up the real reasons and more and more people are aware of that - even if not on an active level.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-09-15   23:01:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Definitely blathering.

It gets even worse here:

If History Is Any Measure, the Clock Is Ticking - nytimes.com excerpts

When Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi had to convince the world 10 years ago that he was serious about giving up his chemical weapons, he dragged warheads and bombs into the desert and flattened them with bulldozers.

When Saddam Hussein, defeated in the Persian Gulf war of 1991, had to demonstrate that he was giving up his chemical arsenal, Iraqis protected by little more than tattered cloths over their faces poured some of the agents into ditches and set them on fire — to the shock of inspectors watching in heavy “moon suits.”

Weapons experts and diplomats say that if President Bashar al-Assad is serious about complying with the landmark agreement announced in Geneva on Saturday, he will have to take similarly dramatic action in the coming weeks.

the destruction of chemical agents is a painstaking process that, to be done safely and securely, can easily take decades ... But if Mr. Assad does not put on “a big, demonstrable show” to prove to the Syrian military that he is “giving up the crown jewels,” [one senior administration] official said, “this isn’t going to work.”

the immediate destruction of empty warheads and bombs “serves to reinforce that point.”

American officials say they expect Mr. Assad to balk at the destruction of missile warheads or bombs, which can be used for conventional and unconventional arms.

Mr. Hussein and Colonel Qaddafi were both deposed and ultimately executed years after giving up their weapons.

the United States’ effort to get rid of its own stockpile has now taken 28 years and $35 billion — and it is not yet over. Over the years, the United States has led the world in developing special furnaces that scrub out dangerous waste products, and it has created methods to react the material with water and other chemicals to permanently undo the toxic structures. It has built seven destruction plants across the world, including at Johnston Atoll in the Pacific and the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland, and it is in the process of building two more, at Richmond, Ky., and Pueblo, Colo. Mr. Obama has made it clear to his staff that no one has time for a painstakingly slow process in Syria, and the Geneva agreement reflects that urgency.

The [Syria] agreement calls for the destruction of chemical agent mixing equipment by November and, perhaps most ambitious, for Syria to completely rid itself of chemical weapons and production facilities in less than a year, a timetable that would set a speed record and one that many experts doubt could be completed even with Syria’s full cooperation.

At the core of the debate over how to test Mr. Assad are two conflicting strategies to getting rid of chemical arms: the slow, safe and costly, versus the quick and dirty. When the United States had to get rid of Nazi Germany’s chemical weapons, it dumped them into the Baltic Sea; Japan’s ended up in the Pacific.

Iraq after the gulf war is a prime example of the quick-and-dirty approach. The chemical arsenal was destroyed, and at fire-sale prices compared with the costly American approach, said Charles A. Duelfer, a top United Nations official in the elimination of Iraq’s chemical arsenal.

“We gathered stuff from all over and destroyed it for under $10 million,” he recalled in an interview. Some leaky munitions were too dangerous to move, Mr. Duelfer said. “So we’d dig a pit, put in diesel fuel, and blow the stuff up.”

chemical experts would get up early to beat the desert heat, donning full-body protective suits that protected them from hazardous fumes at sites where lethal toxins were being incinerated in open pits.

“They’d supervise the Iraqis,” he said of the United Nations inspectors. But the local workers themselves, he added, wore sandals and “put rags over their faces.”

Libya was a different case. ... two years after Colonel Qaddafi’s death ... The United States is paying much of the bill for destroying what remains.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-09-15   23:26:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This chemical weapon stuff is hard to deal with. The Versailles Treaty that ended WW I, outlawed the use of chemical weapons. But still they are widespread and used occasionally. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-09-16   7:57:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This chemical weapon stuff is hard to deal with. The Versailles Treaty that ended WW I, outlawed the use of chemical weapons. But still they are widespread and used occasionally. ;)

From the archived 4um-list of references here:

List of chemical arms control agreements | Chemical weapon | Geneva Protocol | Customary international law

I could be wrong but think the Treaty of Versailles [1919] just prohibited Germany from poison gas. Maybe you're thinking of the [1925] Geneva Protocol? -- which was a general ban on chemical and biological warfare for all signatories to it. However, that was a League of Nations instrument of control and the League of Nations was dissolved in 1946. Germany was a signatory of the Geneva Protocol and America was too. Nevertheless (this example is from the Chemical Weapon link above):

An unintended chemical weapon release occurred at the port of Bari. A German attack on the evening of December 2, 1943, damaged U.S. vessels in the harbour and the resultant release of mustard gas inflicted a total of 628 casualties.

For one way that Globalists have been trying to get around the Geneva Protocol, etc., becoming defunct when the League of Nations did, see the link above for Customary international law, which basically abolishes the sovereignty of nations and forces compliance with so-called "norms" and rules they haven't agreed to.

Edited for spelling and bracketed date-inserts at sentences 1 and 2.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-09-16   9:14:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

the [1925] Geneva Protocol? -- which was a general ban on chemical and biological warfare for all signatories to it. However, that was a League of Nations instrument of control and the League of Nations was dissolved in 1946. Germany was a signatory of the Geneva Protocol and America was too.

For one way that Globalists have been trying to get around the Geneva Protocol, etc., becoming defunct when the League of Nations did, see the link above for Customary international law, which basically abolishes the sovereignty of nations and forces compliance with so-called "norms" and rules they haven't agreed to.

Cross-referencing 4um Title Obama's War on Syria Delayed, Not Deterred:

[Syria is] a 1925 Geneva Protocol signatory. It prohibits chemical and biological weapons use.

Geneva Protocol

It prohibits the use of "asphyxiating, poisonous or other gases, and of all analogous liquids, materials or devices" and "bacteriological methods of warfare". This [Protocol] is now understood [i.e. "customarily"] to be a general prohibition on chemical weapons and biological weapons, but has nothing to say about production, storage or transfer. Later treaties did cover these aspects — the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) and the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).

A number of countries submitted reservations when becoming parties to the Geneva Protocol, declaring that they only regarded the non-use obligations as applying to other parties and that these obligations would cease to apply if the prohibited weapons were used against them.

The main elements of the protocol are now considered by many to be part of customary international law.

If the Geneva Protocol was really still binding after the League of Nations dissolved, it could simply be amended for production, storage or transfer issues and all of this bellicose hoopla over Syria would be more "customarily understood" as maniacally redundant.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-09-16   10:45:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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