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Title: Victimhood and Parental Alienation Syndrome
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Published: Sep 27, 2013
Author: John
Post Date: 2013-09-27 18:17:44 by titorite
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Views: 1308
Comments: 41

Parents that try to peel a child’s love away from an ex all have something in common: they view themselves as victims in the failed marriage or relationship. A parent who is going through a divorce or just went through one can either pick up the pieces, shoulder the hurt, and move on… or they can view themselves as an aggrieved party. The former tend to keep talk about the ex to a minimum, no matter what he or she did wrong or even maliciously.

The latter, however, set the stage for hostile action against their ex which includes turning the child on him or her. Called “Parental Alienation Syndrome” by most professionals (I’ve never liked this term, as a lie that one parent is not worthy of love is abuse– not a “syndrome”).

There is a direct correlation… the more a parent sees himself or herself as a victim, the greater the possibility that he or she will go after the child’s relationship with ex. And once they do, there is often no limit to their efforts. They will falsely accuse and malign everything associated with their ex, and will manipulate the child like a puppet. In short, they have little to no boundaries. They will spill anything damning– both truths and lies– into the child’s soul. So can you blame the child, who loves this parent unconditionally, for believing the messages being heard?

Sadly, there is no short term solution to you, the alienated parent. Sitting your child down and speaking factually about yourself and what’s going on will, in fact, usually backfire (except with teenagers, but you have to be careful). Long term, instead of using words, be yourself and use your actions to allow your child to see who you are. Over the course of a few years and long summers together (especially important for noncustodial parents), all the vicious lies and stories will begin to be questioned by the child. Consciously, subconsciously, or both. But you have to be patient– this is going to take years! But once this happens, the reversal of their hardened heart towards you will begin…

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#1. To: All (#0)

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titorite  posted on  2013-09-28   16:54:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

In this world their is no worse harm you can do to a child than when you use that child to hurt the other parent. Our child is not a weapon. Not allowing us to talk or see each other is detrimental to his development. Please let me talk to my son. Please let me see my son.

titorite  posted on  2013-10-17   15:04:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: SilverStorm (#2)

So,... You have not contacted me back regarding skype or phone calls. I read where you said you did not want to give me any visitation by skype or phone because if you gave me just one then I would want more. ....

Again I am asking you to think of our son. Let HIM have visitation. Please.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-14   10:41:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: titorite (#3)

did you know silver put you on the bozo filter?

pmg  posted on  2014-05-14   11:38:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: pmg (#4) (Edited)

No, how would I know that if I am not informed?

And even so if she can forward this then maybe she can read it and maybe it will help.

Also since you live with her and my son maybe you can give me a status update upon when I can expect to speak with him?

Either of yall can privately reply if you like.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-14   13:10:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: titorite (#5)

as i said

cut the crap to a minimum and apologise in public for dragging her in to court and in the mud in public. (on this forum and else where ) and get you stuff in order. and behave like a normal person.

apologise gets a long way..You catch more flies with honey than vinegar

right now all you do is antagonise her

i do not wish to get in this any further with you.

pmg  posted on  2014-05-14   13:50:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: pmg, SilverStorm (#6) (Edited)

as i said

cut the crap to a minimum and apologise in public for dragging her in to court and in the mud in public. (on this forum and else where ) and get you stuff in order. and behave like a normal person.

apologise gets a long way..You catch more flies with honey than vinegar

right now all you do is antagonise her

i do not wish to get in this any further with you.

I do not believe you understand what is in the best interest of our son.

This is not about me and her.

It is about him.

And the only reason at all you are involved is because of these silly attention games yall are playing. My email works just fine if she cares to use it. The PM box here is fully functional. I am here only as a last resort and care solely for the welfare and wellbeing of my child. I can't be made to dance to a tune that will never be good enough. Yall Aren't gonna be satisfied ever with these silly games. So then,

Let us set these things aside and do what is best for the child which would include allowing him to have loving contact with me as best as can be maintained under the circumstances for HIS sake.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-14   14:00:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: titorite (#7)

ok

i see .....you just don't get it...sorry

pmg  posted on  2014-05-14   14:11:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: pmg (#8)

NO, I don't get it that is correct.

She has the choice to allow her child to speak with his father or deny her child this. I am at her mercy and it is her choice to harm the relationship our son has with me. You enable her.

That can end with civility. All we gotta do is bury the hatchet and do whats best for him because these games are not healthy for him or any of us. Nothing is gained by playing with my emotions here. Our toddler is not empowered by being denied his daddy.

Thats on yall.

You are making the choice.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-14   14:15:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: titorite (#9)

man your funny

not my call or my problems...

you are barking at the wrong tree

i told you what i think ..i have not say in it.

you assume a lot....if not tones of things. about me and her, your son need for you, you importance. or anyone stalking you..that is kinda freeky actually.

i give up trying ..LMAO

bye bye

pmg  posted on  2014-05-14   14:39:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: pmg, SilverStorm (#10) (Edited)

man your funny

not my call or my problems...

you are barking at the wrong tree

i told you what i think ..i have not say in it.

you assume a lot....if not tones of things. about me and her, your son need for you, you importance. or anyone stalking you..that is kinda freeky actually.

i give up trying ..LMAO

bye bye

I don't know whats funny about it.

I want to tell my son I love him. I think he deserves to hear his fathers voice of love and approval.

You and Silver think that you are playing ?hero? by denying him his fathers love. All you are really doing is acting like self centered , self concerned , self centric , inconsiderate to the childs' needs and wants.

I really Really want to speak with my son.

My son Really Really wants to speak with me.

Sickness and bitter spite and petty hatred wants to get its way by USING OUR SON as a tool to hurt me. Indifferent to the pain this causes him. It is a sickness. Child abuse. Stop it. Stop Putting yourself and your feelings before him.

If you are gonna play "Im rubber and you're glue and what ever you say about me bounces back and sticks to you" if you are gonna play that silly game, learn what a alienating narcissist is first. Read over the OP. Figure out just who has custody of whom and who is being denied access rights so that someone else can feel smug.

And if we can get past the silly smug bitterness Maybe we could do what is REALLY best for the child!

I am not the one trying to peel the love away from anybody. I am not preventing anything. I am not denying my child his loving relationships.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-15   15:33:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: titorite (#11)

ok

your on bozo filter

no more harassment from you !!

pmg  posted on  2014-05-15   22:25:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: pmg (#12) (Edited)

I am the one being harassed.

You are setting conditions and terms upon my child and his rights.

You are a low person.

My child and his rights trumps you and your abuse.

He has the right to speak with me. But you are bigger and stronger and care not for the rights of my child. But their is justice in this world and you will face it coward.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-15   22:37:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: titorite (#13)

What the hell is wrong with you!

Stop talking about YOUR CHILD.. Cause you don't give a damn shit about it ! Your only concern is making trouble to my sister.

Everything is about YOU.. YOU KNOW, THE BIG, ME, MYSELF and I.

People are so sick about your complaining.

And... ONE more thing, why are trying to contact PGM'S family and friends What's the hell is going wrong why you ? The guy is taking care of the kids. He did more in 10 months than you did in 3 years with the child !

Stop writing false stuff about my sister and PGM and move on.

NOW PLEASE, DON'T RESPOND TO HIM (TITORITE) ANYMORE, THE GUY AS A NARCISSIST PROBLEM. HE IS TRYING TO DESTROY EVERYTHING AROUND HIM, EVEN HIS OWN MOTHER. I saw this poor old woman in court, and it's not human for her to endure all that shit. Giving HIM attention is more then he deserved..

Now.. let go, and stop bugging my friend and family AND get a f@cking life

Eska  posted on  2014-05-20   22:45:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Eska (#14) (Edited)

Stop talking about YOUR CHILD.. Cause you don't give a damn shit about it ! Your only concern is making trouble to my sister.

Everything is about YOU.. YOU KNOW, THE BIG, ME, MYSELF and I.

People are so sick about your complaining.

And... ONE more thing, why are trying to contact PGM'S family and friends What's the hell is going wrong why you ? The guy is taking care of the kids. He did more in 10 months than you did in 3 years with the child !

Stop writing false stuff about my sister and PGM and move on.

NOW PLEASE, DON'T RESPOND TO HIM (TITORITE) ANYMORE, THE GUY AS A NARCISSIST PROBLEM. HE IS TRYING TO DESTROY EVERYTHING AROUND HIM, EVEN HIS OWN MOTHER. I saw this poor old woman in court, and it's not human for her to endure all that shit. Giving HIM attention is more then he deserved..

Now.. let go, and stop bugging my friend and family AND get a f@cking life

BY god all you care about is being mean and hateful?

I wish you recovery I really really do.

I love my son very much. I miss him greatly. You taunt me. She taunts me. He taunts me. You all could be letting me and our son speak by skype. Please do. I will want more visits if I get just one but that is natural. I am his father. I did more than 3 years, I gave him life,love, his hair, his ears...his eyes are all his mom. I'd really like our son to grow up with out the resentment you are attempting to plant. Children will always find the truth. Just like SilverStorm found out the truth about her father. And that still hurts her today. How do you think he is gonna feel after learning about how you willingly kept him from me just to nurse bitterapples? In the very end you are setting HIM up for hurt. I don't want him to hurt. I don't want any of you to feel hurt.

I am sorry you feel so hurt. Sorry if I hurt you by my own actions Eska. Please forgive me. Thank you I love you.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-20   23:44:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: titorite (#15)

Do you know the truth about your own father ?

Do you know the truth about your own father ?

You should ask to your mother ? If she is honest with you she will tell you everything about him. Strange that confied secret to others and not to you !

Talking about your mother, I heard that you complain about my last message on this forum, how cute !!! I almost cry.

You want to be respect, then act like an adult, and stop the crap about my sister. People who's reading must thing that you are a victim. In fact, it's the people around you, who are. First victim is my sister, secondo, her son and the last your mother, your sister, my mom etc etc etc

Now big boy, get your panty and get a job and send some money to you beloved son, cause love is one thing, but taking are of him is another. Stop talking and make a positive move.

And please please please dont ever tell me that you love me, cause you don't know me. If you are making trouble I will be on your way, making your life miserable.

Eska  posted on  2014-05-21   22:23:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eska (#16)

Do you know the truth about your own father ?

You should ask to your mother ? If she is honest with you she will tell you everything about him. Strange that confied secret to others and not to you !

Talking about your mother, I heard that you complain about my last message on this forum, how cute !!! I almost cry.

You want to be respect, then act like an adult, and stop the crap about my sister. People who's reading must thing that you are a victim. In fact, it's the people around you, who are. First victim is my sister, secondo, her son and the last your mother, your sister, my mom etc etc etc

Now big boy, get your panty and get a job and send some money to you beloved son, cause love is one thing, but taking are of him is another. Stop talking and make a positive move.

And please please please dont ever tell me that you love me, cause you don't know me. If you are making trouble I will be on your way, making your life miserable.

Yes I know the truth about my father. It would be foolish to think otherwise. Just like I know the truth about your own inattentiveness and what that cost you and your whole family....

My family does not keep secrets from itself.

Nor does my family attempt to alienate people. Look at the title of this thread and look at your own behavior. READ THE OP

You are not gonna alienate me from my family like you achieved with your Ex. Why are you even trying? It is not strange that my mother has kept secrets from me... She hasn't.

And then in you very next breath of trying to sow dissension between me and my family you insult my mother with your mocking. My mother doesn't post here. So you can only be talking about the email she sent SilverStorm earlier today...

Don't you care about more than being mean and spiteful?

As for your sister... She needs to regain her sanity and she needs to be willing to act like a grown up and talk to me and let me have interaction with our son. She gets everything she asks for and it is not enough. I wish you were a better influence to her Eska. I really do. Because this path of hatered and evil will backfire and the one who gets hurt the most is the child. I WISH YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT PARENTAL ALIENATION HURTS THE CHILD THE MOST

Children always find out the truth, ALWAYS.

And our baby is not "hers" but his own. Our baby is not an 'it'. Not ever. I am the father ,Not the sperm donor , not the asshole, not the idiot, not the pig, I AM THE FATHER of our baby. If Silver is not getting our sons money and toys ask your mom why she isn't giving it to them.

Pedro needs to man up too and stop acting with his little head. This iniquity isn't worth it. God Is Real son. Christ saves, but you gotta believe to receive.

And if saying I love you , as the Aunt of my child is offending then I am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-21   23:29:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: titorite (#17)

Could you please just leave my sister alone?

Dear Russell, you have really been pissing me off lately.

Could you please just leave my sister alone? Let it go, she doesnt love you anymore.

Stop trying to get information thru her friends. Leave HER ALONE.

Hope I'm clear enough. Next time, it's will be beetween you and juctice, cause we will go to the police and make a deposition. This is my last warning.

Eska  posted on  2014-05-28   13:14:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Eska, PMG, SilverStorm (#18)

Dear Russell, you have really been pissing me off lately.

Could you please just leave my sister alone? Let it go, she doesnt love you anymore.

Stop trying to get information thru her friends. Leave HER ALONE.

Hope I'm clear enough. Next time, it's will be beetween you and juctice, cause we will go to the police and make a deposition. This is my last warning.

You need to grow up and act mature.

Both of you.

What you are doing to Leopold is wrong.

You go ahead and call the police. PLEASE DO! I would love them to check up on my son to let me know how he is doing.

Please stop denying our son a relationship with me.

You are abusing him. It will not stand.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-28   13:29:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: titorite (#19)

You don't get it, don't you ? It's not about Léo, the problem is you trying to invade my sister's private life. Stop bringing all to a Child abuse ! Cause all this, is in your head dody. You went in court to take Léo, out of her mother arm. You loose the case. Now you have to wait until a jugment is made to see what will your next access. In fact if I look the court paper everything is legal. You had the possibility to stay in Montreal and see Léo twice a week, but you ran away. My sister offered you something, while you were in Montreal and you refused. You went in court only for revenge, cause my sister has a life right now and you can't accept it ---- At the time you didnt care about Léo happiness. Is it too much to ask you to let my sister and her friends alone. For the police, no problem. If you say so...

Eska  posted on  2014-05-28   14:18:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#21. To: Eska (#20) (Edited)

You don't get it, don't you ? It's not about Léo, the problem is you trying to invade my sister's private life. Stop bringing all to a Child abuse ! Cause all this, is in your head dody. You went in court to take Léo, out of her mother arm. You loose the case. Now you have to wait until a jugment is made to see what will your next access. In fact if I look the court paper everything is legal. You had the possibility to stay in Montreal and see Léo twice a week, but you ran away. My sister offered you something, while you were in Montreal and you refused. You went in court only for revenge, cause my sister has a life right now and you can't accept it ---- At the time you didnt care about Léo happiness. Is it too much to ask you to let my sister and her friends alone. For the police, no problem. If you say so...

AND YES IT IS COMPLETELY ABOUT LEOPOLD!

Why haven't you called the police yet?

Stop lying and make the phone call.

I am not the one seeking revenge. I am not the one having my family follow people around posting pictures of puke at them. I am not the one acting selfishly with out regard to the child.

And Parental Alienating Narcissists are all about changing the childs name. You would know that if you looked it up and read anything about it. I don't Use a hyphen On Leos name because their is not one on his TEXAS birth certificate. Because that is not how his name is spelled... But you don't care about that or him. Only your own selfish self gratification matters to you.

Have another self indulgent drink and get on the phone chantal.

I really would love to know any information on my son and his well being.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-28 14:25:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Eska, pmg, SilverStorm (#20) (Edited)

The death of my father was an accident.

Your father kill himself and take another life with him. He was a schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a brain disorder that affects the way a person acts, thinks, and sees the world. People with schizophrenia have an altered perception of reality, often a significant loss of contact with reality.

You know that this can be hereditary ?

That's it, if you want to talk about my father, than let's talk about yours !

OK. I've waited over 24 hours now and I have not heard hide nor tail out of yall. Can not say I am surprised but to answer back your typical hit and run insults;

I did not bring up the subject of fathers at all ever.... but you have been biting at the chomp to insult me with the knowledge of my father.

Do you think that was wrong? You talking shit about my father just to be insulting? Did you figure that I do not care about my father? My dad was a murderer. That is common knowledge. I am not scared of sharing that. I just don't because it makes folks uncomfortable. You Chantal/ Eska thought you could not wait hurt me with that tidbit of knowledge. All you care about is hurting me instead of loving Leopold. You people are alot like my father. You care more about yourselves than above anyone else. Rise above yourself.

I WANT YOU TO CARE ABOUT LEOPOLD

I want you to consider HIS feelings. Not your feelings, Not your need for revenge. Not your need to feel good by excluding other... The one you exclude is his dad. Do you honestly think he will appreciate it when he comes of age? Please get some sanity and wake up before it is too late. Their is plenty of time to turn around and do the right thing. You don't have to hurt him to hurt me. OK? YOu have already hurt me. I'm hurting , you win. I suck. You rule.

Just think of him. HIs need. His wants.. His yearning to hear my voice. Stop thinking about yourself and think about him.

PLEASE PLEASE understand that things like Narcissistic Personality Disorder are not hereditary. It is a learned behavior. At Christmas time your mom was more concerned with wiping counters because she felt that was more important than hugging her daughter. When I insisted she console SilverStar she thought I was kicking her out of the house. That is how selfish your mom is. Ask them about it. IT was a terrible Christmas.

My point is that you do not need to diagnose Leopold with anything and everything. That is called"Münchhausen Syndrome by proxy." And it is typical of your NPD kind. Instead of reading the Highlights about NPD so you can insult me you need to read all about NPD so you can help yourselves before you hurt yourselves and Leo any further.

Leopold deserves all of our love and none of our issues. He deserves better than this. He deserves to hear the loving sound of my voice. His fathers love. Please consider him more.

How much do you (SS) resent your mother for lying to you about your father? That much more you will hurt leopold if you keep this up...

Please quit it.

Please come to your senses.

Please work this out civilly with me so I don't have to follow through with the proceedings and the access rights. You can Email ,PM, Phone, Use snail mail, or even reply publicly as you seem to insist but I believe others would prefer a private reply and I wouldn't mind myself.

For the record. I would like to inform any outside observer that I did not lose any court case. I withdrew my case in the courtroom. The judge informed before it was over that he was gonna rule against me BUT if I withdrew my case he would ratify a visitation deal that would involve no more fees... I had to pay to see my son up there. After I withdrew I had to pay double. . I came home to continue to fight this injustice. Courtroom coercion is injustice.

Also I did not "run away" from anything The bills were all four months past due and I didn't want to lose our home. Paid for as it may be the property tax man can still put a lien on this place. I didn't run away from squat. I HAD to take care of my responsibilities to keep this home for Leopold. He WILL be coming home to his birthplace one day.

I appreciate my friends who have remained silent through out this. It is about my son and those that would keep us apart for their own satisfaction. Their is no danger. Their is no risk... Just people that struggle to get over their hurt. Pray for them . If they understood how they hurt the child they wouldn't do it.

TRULY.

titorite  posted on  2014-05-30 03:11:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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