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Title: Victimhood and Parental Alienation Syndrome
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Published: Sep 27, 2013
Author: John
Post Date: 2013-09-27 18:17:44 by titorite
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Parents that try to peel a child’s love away from an ex all have something in common: they view themselves as victims in the failed marriage or relationship. A parent who is going through a divorce or just went through one can either pick up the pieces, shoulder the hurt, and move on… or they can view themselves as an aggrieved party. The former tend to keep talk about the ex to a minimum, no matter what he or she did wrong or even maliciously. The latter, however, set the stage for hostile action against their ex which includes turning the child on him or her. Called “Parental Alienation Syndrome” by most professionals (I’ve never liked this term, as a lie that one parent is not worthy of love is abuse– not a “syndrome”). There is a direct correlation… the more a parent sees himself or herself as a victim, the greater the possibility that he or she will go after the child’s relationship with ex. And once they do, there is often no limit to their efforts. They will falsely accuse and malign everything associated with their ex, and will manipulate the child like a puppet. In short, they have little to no boundaries. They will spill anything damning– both truths and lies– into the child’s soul. So can you blame the child, who loves this parent unconditionally, for believing the messages being heard? Sadly, there is no short term solution to you, the alienated parent. Sitting your child down and speaking factually about yourself and what’s going on will, in fact, usually backfire (except with teenagers, but you have to be careful). Long term, instead of using words, be yourself and use your actions to allow your child to see who you are. Over the course of a few years and long summers together (especially important for noncustodial parents), all the vicious lies and stories will begin to be questioned by the child. Consciously, subconsciously, or both. But you have to be patient– this is going to take years! But once this happens, the reversal of their hardened heart towards you will begin…
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In this world their is no worse harm you can do to a child than when you use that child to hurt the other parent. Our child is not a weapon. Not allowing us to talk or see each other is detrimental to his development. Please let me talk to my son. Please let me see my son.
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So,... You have not contacted me back regarding skype or phone calls. I read where you said you did not want to give me any visitation by skype or phone because if you gave me just one then I would want more. .... Again I am asking you to think of our son. Let HIM have visitation. Please. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
did you know silver put you on the bozo filter?
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
No, how would I know that if I am not informed? And even so if she can forward this then maybe she can read it and maybe it will help. Also since you live with her and my son maybe you can give me a status update upon when I can expect to speak with him? Either of yall can privately reply if you like. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
as i said cut the crap to a minimum and apologise in public for dragging her in to court and in the mud in public. (on this forum and else where ) and get you stuff in order. and behave like a normal person. apologise gets a long way..You catch more flies with honey than vinegar right now all you do is antagonise her i do not wish to get in this any further with you. if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
cut the crap to a minimum and apologise in public for dragging her in to court and in the mud in public. (on this forum and else where ) and get you stuff in order. and behave like a normal person. apologise gets a long way..You catch more flies with honey than vinegar right now all you do is antagonise her i do not wish to get in this any further with you. I do not believe you understand what is in the best interest of our son. This is not about me and her. It is about him. And the only reason at all you are involved is because of these silly attention games yall are playing. My email works just fine if she cares to use it. The PM box here is fully functional. I am here only as a last resort and care solely for the welfare and wellbeing of my child. I can't be made to dance to a tune that will never be good enough. Yall Aren't gonna be satisfied ever with these silly games. So then, Let us set these things aside and do what is best for the child which would include allowing him to have loving contact with me as best as can be maintained under the circumstances for HIS sake. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
ok i see .....you just don't get it...sorry if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
NO, I don't get it that is correct. She has the choice to allow her child to speak with his father or deny her child this. I am at her mercy and it is her choice to harm the relationship our son has with me. You enable her. That can end with civility. All we gotta do is bury the hatchet and do whats best for him because these games are not healthy for him or any of us. Nothing is gained by playing with my emotions here. Our toddler is not empowered by being denied his daddy. Thats on yall. You are making the choice. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
man your funny not my call or my problems... you are barking at the wrong tree i told you what i think ..i have not say in it. you assume a lot....if not tones of things. about me and her, your son need for you, you importance. or anyone stalking you..that is kinda freeky actually. i give up trying ..LMAO bye bye if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
not my call or my problems... you are barking at the wrong tree i told you what i think ..i have not say in it. you assume a lot....if not tones of things. about me and her, your son need for you, you importance. or anyone stalking you..that is kinda freeky actually. i give up trying ..LMAO bye bye I don't know whats funny about it. I want to tell my son I love him. I think he deserves to hear his fathers voice of love and approval. You and Silver think that you are playing ?hero? by denying him his fathers love. All you are really doing is acting like self centered , self concerned , self centric , inconsiderate to the childs' needs and wants. I really Really want to speak with my son. My son Really Really wants to speak with me. Sickness and bitter spite and petty hatred wants to get its way by USING OUR SON as a tool to hurt me. Indifferent to the pain this causes him. It is a sickness. Child abuse. Stop it. Stop Putting yourself and your feelings before him. If you are gonna play "Im rubber and you're glue and what ever you say about me bounces back and sticks to you" if you are gonna play that silly game, learn what a alienating narcissist is first. Read over the OP. Figure out just who has custody of whom and who is being denied access rights so that someone else can feel smug. And if we can get past the silly smug bitterness Maybe we could do what is REALLY best for the child! I am not the one trying to peel the love away from anybody. I am not preventing anything. I am not denying my child his loving relationships. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
ok your on bozo filter no more harassment from you !! if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
I am the one being harassed. You are setting conditions and terms upon my child and his rights. You are a low person. My child and his rights trumps you and your abuse. He has the right to speak with me. But you are bigger and stronger and care not for the rights of my child. But their is justice in this world and you will face it coward. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Stop talking about YOUR CHILD.. Cause you don't give a damn shit about it ! Your only concern is making trouble to my sister. Everything is about YOU.. YOU KNOW, THE BIG, ME, MYSELF and I. People are so sick about your complaining. And... ONE more thing, why are trying to contact PGM'S family and friends What's the hell is going wrong why you ? The guy is taking care of the kids. He did more in 10 months than you did in 3 years with the child ! Stop writing false stuff about my sister and PGM and move on. NOW PLEASE, DON'T RESPOND TO HIM (TITORITE) ANYMORE, THE GUY AS A NARCISSIST PROBLEM. HE IS TRYING TO DESTROY EVERYTHING AROUND HIM, EVEN HIS OWN MOTHER. I saw this poor old woman in court, and it's not human for her to endure all that shit. Giving HIM attention is more then he deserved.. Now.. let go, and stop bugging my friend and family AND get a f@cking life
Everything is about YOU.. YOU KNOW, THE BIG, ME, MYSELF and I. People are so sick about your complaining. And... ONE more thing, why are trying to contact PGM'S family and friends What's the hell is going wrong why you ? The guy is taking care of the kids. He did more in 10 months than you did in 3 years with the child ! Stop writing false stuff about my sister and PGM and move on. NOW PLEASE, DON'T RESPOND TO HIM (TITORITE) ANYMORE, THE GUY AS A NARCISSIST PROBLEM. HE IS TRYING TO DESTROY EVERYTHING AROUND HIM, EVEN HIS OWN MOTHER. I saw this poor old woman in court, and it's not human for her to endure all that shit. Giving HIM attention is more then he deserved.. Now.. let go, and stop bugging my friend and family AND get a f@cking life BY god all you care about is being mean and hateful? I wish you recovery I really really do. I love my son very much. I miss him greatly. You taunt me. She taunts me. He taunts me. You all could be letting me and our son speak by skype. Please do. I will want more visits if I get just one but that is natural. I am his father. I did more than 3 years, I gave him life,love, his hair, his ears...his eyes are all his mom. I'd really like our son to grow up with out the resentment you are attempting to plant. Children will always find the truth. Just like SilverStorm found out the truth about her father. And that still hurts her today. How do you think he is gonna feel after learning about how you willingly kept him from me just to nurse bitterapples? In the very end you are setting HIM up for hurt. I don't want him to hurt. I don't want any of you to feel hurt. I am sorry you feel so hurt. Sorry if I hurt you by my own actions Eska. Please forgive me. Thank you I love you. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Do you know the truth about your own father ? You should ask to your mother ? If she is honest with you she will tell you everything about him. Strange that confied secret to others and not to you ! Talking about your mother, I heard that you complain about my last message on this forum, how cute !!! I almost cry. You want to be respect, then act like an adult, and stop the crap about my sister. People who's reading must thing that you are a victim. In fact, it's the people around you, who are. First victim is my sister, secondo, her son and the last your mother, your sister, my mom etc etc etc Now big boy, get your panty and get a job and send some money to you beloved son, cause love is one thing, but taking are of him is another. Stop talking and make a positive move. And please please please dont ever tell me that you love me, cause you don't know me. If you are making trouble I will be on your way, making your life miserable.
You should ask to your mother ? If she is honest with you she will tell you everything about him. Strange that confied secret to others and not to you ! Talking about your mother, I heard that you complain about my last message on this forum, how cute !!! I almost cry. You want to be respect, then act like an adult, and stop the crap about my sister. People who's reading must thing that you are a victim. In fact, it's the people around you, who are. First victim is my sister, secondo, her son and the last your mother, your sister, my mom etc etc etc Now big boy, get your panty and get a job and send some money to you beloved son, cause love is one thing, but taking are of him is another. Stop talking and make a positive move. And please please please dont ever tell me that you love me, cause you don't know me. If you are making trouble I will be on your way, making your life miserable. Yes I know the truth about my father. It would be foolish to think otherwise. Just like I know the truth about your own inattentiveness and what that cost you and your whole family.... My family does not keep secrets from itself. Nor does my family attempt to alienate people. Look at the title of this thread and look at your own behavior. READ THE OP You are not gonna alienate me from my family like you achieved with your Ex. Why are you even trying? It is not strange that my mother has kept secrets from me... She hasn't. And then in you very next breath of trying to sow dissension between me and my family you insult my mother with your mocking. My mother doesn't post here. So you can only be talking about the email she sent SilverStorm earlier today... Don't you care about more than being mean and spiteful? As for your sister... She needs to regain her sanity and she needs to be willing to act like a grown up and talk to me and let me have interaction with our son. She gets everything she asks for and it is not enough. I wish you were a better influence to her Eska. I really do. Because this path of hatered and evil will backfire and the one who gets hurt the most is the child. I WISH YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT PARENTAL ALIENATION HURTS THE CHILD THE MOST Children always find out the truth, ALWAYS. And our baby is not "hers" but his own. Our baby is not an 'it'. Not ever. I am the father ,Not the sperm donor , not the asshole, not the idiot, not the pig, I AM THE FATHER of our baby. If Silver is not getting our sons money and toys ask your mom why she isn't giving it to them. Pedro needs to man up too and stop acting with his little head. This iniquity isn't worth it. God Is Real son. Christ saves, but you gotta believe to receive. And if saying I love you , as the Aunt of my child is offending then I am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Dear Russell, you have really been pissing me off lately. Could you please just leave my sister alone? Let it go, she doesnt love you anymore. Stop trying to get information thru her friends. Leave HER ALONE. Hope I'm clear enough. Next time, it's will be beetween you and juctice, cause we will go to the police and make a deposition. This is my last warning.
Dear Russell, you have really been pissing me off lately. Could you please just leave my sister alone? Let it go, she doesnt love you anymore. Stop trying to get information thru her friends. Leave HER ALONE. Hope I'm clear enough. Next time, it's will be beetween you and juctice, cause we will go to the police and make a deposition. This is my last warning. You need to grow up and act mature. Both of you. What you are doing to Leopold is wrong. You go ahead and call the police. PLEASE DO! I would love them to check up on my son to let me know how he is doing. Please stop denying our son a relationship with me. You are abusing him. It will not stand. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
You don't get it, don't you ? It's not about Léo, the problem is you trying to invade my sister's private life. Stop bringing all to a Child abuse ! Cause all this, is in your head dody. You went in court to take Léo, out of her mother arm. You loose the case. Now you have to wait until a jugment is made to see what will your next access. In fact if I look the court paper everything is legal. You had the possibility to stay in Montreal and see Léo twice a week, but you ran away. My sister offered you something, while you were in Montreal and you refused. You went in court only for revenge, cause my sister has a life right now and you can't accept it ---- At the time you didnt care about Léo happiness. Is it too much to ask you to let my sister and her friends alone. For the police, no problem. If you say so...
AND YES IT IS COMPLETELY ABOUT LEOPOLD! Why haven't you called the police yet? Stop lying and make the phone call. I am not the one seeking revenge. I am not the one having my family follow people around posting pictures of puke at them. I am not the one acting selfishly with out regard to the child. And Parental Alienating Narcissists are all about changing the childs name. You would know that if you looked it up and read anything about it. I don't Use a hyphen On Leos name because their is not one on his TEXAS birth certificate. Because that is not how his name is spelled... But you don't care about that or him. Only your own selfish self gratification matters to you. Have another self indulgent drink and get on the phone chantal. I really would love to know any information on my son and his well being. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
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but i can't stop reading it!
It is like the old saying goes. Drama is very entertaining when it is someone elses drama. I don't mind. If lessons can be taken from all this and utilized by others then their was an Up side... I know I have been helped reading about the Narcissist. The self help stuff prepared me for everything they have planned and everything they are doing. MOre than anything I just wish they would get help . Because it is a behavioral disorder and they do not understand the consequences of their actions. They never developed the ability to put themselves into other peoples shoes.(Empathy) But what is going on is over the line and they are mistreating my son with their actions. Also if that 406 number that called me was the police, please call again. I had some phone battery issues but I am willing and ready to speak to any police. I would really REALLY like to know about my sons health and well being for his conservators tell me nothing but negative hateful things that have nothing to do with my son. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.
Please delete this thread, this isn't Facebook!!
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#5. To: pmg (#4)
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#7. To: pmg, SilverStorm (#6)
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as i said
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man your funny
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#13. To: pmg (#12)
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#14. To: titorite (#13)
What the hell is wrong with you!
#15. To: Eska (#14)
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Stop talking about YOUR CHILD.. Cause you don't give a damn shit about it ! Your only concern is making trouble to my sister.
#16. To: titorite (#15)
Do you know the truth about your own father ?
#17. To: Eska (#16)
Do you know the truth about your own father ?
#18. To: titorite (#17)
Could you please just leave my sister alone?
#19. To: Eska, PMG, SilverStorm (#18)
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#21. To: Eska (#20)
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You don't get it, don't you ? It's not about Léo, the problem is you trying to invade my sister's private life. Stop bringing all to a Child abuse ! Cause all this, is in your head dody. You went in court to take Léo, out of her mother arm. You loose the case. Now you have to wait until a jugment is made to see what will your next access. In fact if I look the court paper everything is legal. You had the possibility to stay in Montreal and see Léo twice a week, but you ran away. My sister offered you something, while you were in Montreal and you refused. You went in court only for revenge, cause my sister has a life right now and you can't accept it ---- At the time you didnt care about Léo happiness. Is it too much to ask you to let my sister and her friends alone. For the police, no problem. If you say so...
#22. To: pmg (#6)
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
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#24. To: Disgusted (#23)
but i can't stop reading it!
#25. To: titorite, Eska, SilverStorm, pmg (#24)
-Alex Kurtagic
#26. To: X-15 (#25) (Edited)
For the love of god no! I know this aint exactly pretty but this is the only means of communication they have been willing to use because they stopped emailing and stopped PMing. This is freedom4um/ Freespeech right.. I'm sorry X but please bozo me out if you dislike it so. You do not 'have to" read this thread. If they would use other means I would too... My sons life is at stake. Please consider that,. Please delete this thread, this isn't Facebook!!
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#27. To: X-15 (#25)
i would but did not started this ...titorite did and could and should.. he just can't take anything that is not to HIS liking to be true.... sorry to every one
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#28. To: pmg (#27) (Edited)
sorry to every one Sorry to everyone? I accept your apology. Please help me speak with my son. I love him , I miss him, I just want to speak with him over the skype or phone. Either way works. He deserves all our love and none of the issues being put upon him... He deserves better. Let him speak to me. i would but did not started this ...titorite did and could and should.. he just can't take anything that is not to HIS liking to be true....
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#29. To: All (#21) (Edited)
I've responded to your PM 3 times now Eska. Just click on the New Mail icon that should be at the top of the page to open it up and read your mail. So far you have only used the PM system speak at me with out responding.. IF you want to talk there you are gonna have to hit reply. .... It is not really talking if you just constantly talk smack to me disregarding anything I respond with. A two way conversation implies that you are responding. So far I have not had any indication that you have read anything I replied too you Privately. Let me know whats up... I'll be waiting.
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#30. To: Eska, pmg, SilverStorm (#20) (Edited)
Your father kill himself and take another life with him. He was a schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a brain disorder that affects the way a person acts, thinks, and sees the world. People with schizophrenia have an altered perception of reality, often a significant loss of contact with reality. You know that this can be hereditary ? That's it, if you want to talk about my father, than let's talk about yours ! OK. I've waited over 24 hours now and I have not heard hide nor tail out of yall. Can not say I am surprised but to answer back your typical hit and run insults; I did not bring up the subject of fathers at all ever.... but you have been biting at the chomp to insult me with the knowledge of my father. Do you think that was wrong? You talking shit about my father just to be insulting? Did you figure that I do not care about my father? My dad was a murderer. That is common knowledge. I am not scared of sharing that. I just don't because it makes folks uncomfortable. You Chantal/ Eska thought you could not wait hurt me with that tidbit of knowledge. All you care about is hurting me instead of loving Leopold. You people are alot like my father. You care more about yourselves than above anyone else. Rise above yourself. I WANT YOU TO CARE ABOUT LEOPOLD I want you to consider HIS feelings. Not your feelings, Not your need for revenge. Not your need to feel good by excluding other... The one you exclude is his dad. Do you honestly think he will appreciate it when he comes of age? Please get some sanity and wake up before it is too late. Their is plenty of time to turn around and do the right thing. You don't have to hurt him to hurt me. OK? YOu have already hurt me. I'm hurting , you win. I suck. You rule. Just think of him. HIs need. His wants.. His yearning to hear my voice. Stop thinking about yourself and think about him. PLEASE PLEASE understand that things like Narcissistic Personality Disorder are not hereditary. It is a learned behavior. At Christmas time your mom was more concerned with wiping counters because she felt that was more important than hugging her daughter. When I insisted she console SilverStar she thought I was kicking her out of the house. That is how selfish your mom is. Ask them about it. IT was a terrible Christmas. My point is that you do not need to diagnose Leopold with anything and everything. That is called"Münchhausen Syndrome by proxy." And it is typical of your NPD kind. Instead of reading the Highlights about NPD so you can insult me you need to read all about NPD so you can help yourselves before you hurt yourselves and Leo any further. Leopold deserves all of our love and none of our issues. He deserves better than this. He deserves to hear the loving sound of my voice. His fathers love. Please consider him more. How much do you (SS) resent your mother for lying to you about your father? That much more you will hurt leopold if you keep this up... Please quit it. Please come to your senses. Please work this out civilly with me so I don't have to follow through with the proceedings and the access rights. You can Email ,PM, Phone, Use snail mail, or even reply publicly as you seem to insist but I believe others would prefer a private reply and I wouldn't mind myself. For the record. I would like to inform any outside observer that I did not lose any court case. I withdrew my case in the courtroom. The judge informed before it was over that he was gonna rule against me BUT if I withdrew my case he would ratify a visitation deal that would involve no more fees... I had to pay to see my son up there. After I withdrew I had to pay double. . I came home to continue to fight this injustice. Courtroom coercion is injustice. Also I did not "run away" from anything The bills were all four months past due and I didn't want to lose our home. Paid for as it may be the property tax man can still put a lien on this place. I didn't run away from squat. I HAD to take care of my responsibilities to keep this home for Leopold. He WILL be coming home to his birthplace one day. I appreciate my friends who have remained silent through out this. It is about my son and those that would keep us apart for their own satisfaction. Their is no danger. Their is no risk... Just people that struggle to get over their hurt. Pray for them . If they understood how they hurt the child they wouldn't do it. TRULY. The death of my father was an accident.
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#31. To: All (#30)
well it has been over a year now. The alienation has really set in as i was informed last skype visit that my son is scared to talk to me. Why would that be? he is only disciplined every time he sits in the chair. He has done nothing wrong and gets yelled at. Its sick. I wouldnt want to sit in the chair either. Meanwhile they have prevented me from giving leopold his christmas gifts for the second time. I did manage to get his gifts to him last year. im sure ill get this years gifts to him as well. The next court date is on the eigth of june. And Parental alienation is unlawful here in qubec. I remain confident that i will be reunited with my son but the damage to our relation and to his pysche will take years to mend. But through therapy and love we shall overcome. Thank you to all my supportive friends here. The next update will be after the eigth.
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#32. To: titorite (#31)
The fact you lost it on skype 3 weeks ago because he would not sit still on the chair did not help. Léopold is scared of you like he scared of monster, of ghosts, of grand ma, his educators at school and at the wind, he is a kid still testing his boundaries. As to why you decided to go with skype instead of prevailing on your supervised visits is still a mystery so quit the drama and Please, keep it off the board! On my end, please sit on a cactus. If you think I badmouth you in front of Léopold, this is not the case as I do not even talk about you, he knows you as daddy and nothing else, no choice adjectives, no cuss words, you are out of my life and I intend to keep it this way, certainly not going to drag you negatively in front of Léo, that is pointless and fruitless. If you truly intend to warp this monday conversation to attract sympathy, I can tell you right now that everything has been recorded and will gladly upload it to soundcloud, youtube or which ever media that will get the message out that you are laying it thick and warping something that was said monday. Had to set the record straight, again.
#33. To: SilverStorm (#32) (Edited)
Léopold is scared of you like he scared of monster, of ghosts, of grand ma, his educators at school and at the wind, he is a kid still testing his boundaries. As to why you decided to go with skype instead of prevailing on your supervised visits is still a mystery so quit the drama and Please, keep it off the board! On my end, please sit on a cactus. If you think I badmouth you in front of Léopold, this is not the case as I do not even talk about you, he knows you as daddy and nothing else, no choice adjectives, no cuss words, you are out of my life and I intend to keep it this way, certainly not going to drag you negatively in front of Léo, that is pointless and fruitless. If you truly intend to warp this monday conversation to attract sympathy, I can tell you right now that everything has been recorded and will gladly upload it to soundcloud, youtube or which ever media that will get the message out that you are laying it thick and warping something that was said monday. Had to set the record straight, again. ok thats enough of the lies and power plays. I am not intimidated by your threats. publish whatever you like. I did not lose it three weeks ago , i did not get my visit. you cut me off . And stop allowing pedro to yell at leopold. Oh and there is no accent over the E. You are just doing that to further the divide. and hey if you can publicly respond here then you can privatly respond too. as for why i went with skype instead of preveiling on my visitation rights? it might have something to do with those court orders you attempted to file.... The alienation your commited too. Alienation is about more than bad mouthing. you discourage a normal father son relationship. thats alienation and abuse. so you see you are activly lying and alienating. If you want to change your mind, let me give leo his.christmas gifts, let me take him out to the parc. Start acting normal, and STOP LETTING PEDRO YELL AT HIM! The fact you lost it on skype 3 weeks ago because he would not sit still on the chair did not help.
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#34. To: All, jim, martin, greylmist, and everyone else (#33)
This is gonna be my last post here for a long while. I can no longer post her while seeing my childs abuser posting like she never did anything wrong. Martin you feel free to.disclose . Anything you want. Jim, your an ok guy. GreyLmist im going to miss you. And everyone else. Ive enjoyed our.debates disputes triumphs and good times. I wish you all the very best.
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#35. To: titorite (#34)
Take care of yourself titorite.
They kill good trees to put out bad newspapers. - James G. Watt
#36. To: titorite (#34)
Wait. There's a bozo filter here. Put her on it. Problem solved, yes? RSVP. This is gonna be my last post here for a long while. I can no longer post her while seeing my childs abuser posting like she never did anything wrong.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#37. To: All (#36)
Right! PLEASE don't leave us, titorite. What's it worth to you? Wait. There's a bozo filter here. Put her on it. Problem solved, yes? RSVP.
#38. To: titorite (#34)
Wow good news....Bye bye
if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
#39. To: pmg (#38)
Dude, that was way out of line. You know damn well that this is over, the matter closed, court is done and he went back home and I did ask you, personally not to poke a red hot iron. You don't kick a dog when he's down regardless on how much you hate the mutt. WTF were you thinking anyway? That was seriously low.
Some people work hard at being offended
#40. To: All (#34) (Edited)
Well, she hasnt posted here in about a week now and she denied our son visited sitation by skype tonight. She is not protecting him from a loving relationship she is preventing it. If if being preventing from loving contact hurts our son she shows no regard or remorse. Last week we said see you next week... here it is... what ever took priority over our sons visitation wasnt worth it unless it was some kind of medical emergancy ... of course i doubt that because emailed earlier for a confirmation time and that was ignored. ............. And i have no clue why you went off on Pedro there exepct for dramatic effect. What he said was hardly the worst thing he ever said and it never bothered you before.... so after you goad him to talk shit to me for two years and then do shit like that, maybe theirs a reason he acts like a primadonna no giving you the time of day... maybe it has something to do with your sociopathic flip flopping. The fact that you have behavioural disorder. You're using him, you're using our son, you use everyone just like you use your welfair system for support just like you always have.... Im sick silver,,,, sick to my stomach..... Our son deserved to have a visit with his.father.tonight[strike] and your complete lack of concern for your son and his relationship with his authentic father[/strike]..... our sons mental health and development should take priority, period. You shouldn't of deinied your son his visitation tonight... That wasn't fair to anyone.
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#41. To: All (#40) (Edited)
Well their was an email after the fact... dinner with grand ma ran late. Thats fine and all,... but not informing me of the broken or delayed commitment is something id like to see corrected. I said this privately and reiterate it here, communicate. I have a cell phone that can be texted, email, facebook, pm here, a home phone that remains the same..... Make a plan amd stick to it and if something comes up changing plans that is ok, just inform me before hand instead of after the fact. I look forward to seeing our son on skype tomorrow at 6 my time 5 your time.
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