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Title: House Passes Toothless Resolution After Zionist Baptist Rep 'Urges' DoD to 'Permit' Freedom of Religion
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Published: Oct 6, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-10-06 11:53:17 by Artisan
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Comments: 41

I was initially pleased with this and was going to title this story 'Congress passes resolution to allow religious services on military bases during shutdown.' But once I saw the actual 'toothless' resolution and reading the background of its' proponent, I am a bit more cynical. I don't think we need 'permission' from this corrupt, filthy, murderous government to practice our faith. The proponent of this measure is part of the problem. Immediately after entering CONgress, he wrote "As one of our closest allies and friends, Israel should know the United States will always do its part to ensure Israelis are never put in harm’s way," and that United States and Israel must "be fully equipped" to "defend our nations from both military style attacks as well as cyber warfare." [Article continues here.

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Also: Slothful Feds Surfing the internet, surveiling WhatReallyHappened.com during Government "Shutdown" Despite an extremely melodramatic "government shutdown" in which most federal agencies are allegedly 'tightening their belts' and shutting their doors, employees at several of those agencies are spending their time and taxpayer dollars surfing the web at alternative news websites such as whatreallyhappened.com The National Archives And Records Administration and The U.S. Department of The Interior, Office of The Secretary official ISPs were among many which logged onto WRH on Friday from their plush air-conditioned offices. Additionally, other agencies have been busy scurrying about seeking ways to further eviscerate the Constitution. The U.S. Department of Defense Network googled the term "how many people have registered their guns" and the Texas government searched the term " "authority for texas trooper to conduct commercial vehicle inspection without probable cause." official ISP (207.245.177.6) in College Park, Maryland was logged on Friday October 4th, clicking the LibertyFight.com link about the D.C. shooting, which had been featured at whatreallyhappened.com.

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#2. To: Artisan (#0)

Despite an extremely melodramatic "government shutdown" in which most federal agencies are allegedly 'tightening their belts' and shutting their doors, employees at several of those agencies are spending their time and taxpayer dollars surfing the web at alternative news websites

So ridiculous that taxpayers are forced to carry these lazy slugs, who can't get real jobs, on their backs. What are these people doing that's profitable to the Republic, while earning $100,000+ each + medical and dental and vision perks + defined extravagent pensions? Snooping @ non-MSM news sites - give me a friggin' break - and watching porn - how does that make America competitive globally, as Ms. Marian Graddick-Weir ( Merck) said was necessary for America to do? You could fire 75% of Federal employees - including the Pentagon, NSA, Dept of Education, Dept of Interior. the EPA etc etc - and America would not suffer one bit. In fact as we see during this short shut down, the only only thing noticeable is that traffic is better in DC.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-10-06   12:24:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Alisa Rosenbaum also had an acidic stomach complaint that triggered off excessive disdain, for workers dependent on taxpayer largesse.

Unmentioned by her worshippers is the fact she finished her days living on Social Security and Medicare.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-10-06   13:00:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Did she piss-away her royalties?

Lod  posted on  2013-10-06   13:14:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Did she piss-away her royalties?

Indeed, along with her hangerson.

Rosenbaum passed away in league with the human lice of this country, on social security, monthly check to check, and on Medicare while in poor health from her "free soul living".

In New York City, in a cheap apartment, with an Irish last name.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-10-06   13:29:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Lod: Did she piss-away her royalties?

Cynicom: Indeed, along with her hangerson.

Rosenbaum passed away in league with the human lice of this country, on social security, monthly check to check, and on Medicare while in poor health from her "free soul living".

In New York City, in a cheap apartment, with an Irish last name.

Cynicom, before you spout off AlterNet rumors, you should double check to see if there is any factual support.

freestudents.blogspot.co....-ayn-rand-and-social.html

"Lying about Ayn Rand and Social Security"

scrapper2  posted on  2013-10-06   15:00:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Michael Ford Founding director, Xavier University's Center for the Study of the American Dream".

"However, it was revealed in the recent "Oral History of Ayn Rand" by Scott McConnell (founder of the media department at the Ayn Rand Institute) that in the end Ayn was a vip-dipper as well. An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor).

As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help."

But alas she did and said it was wrong for everyone else to do so. Apart from the strong implication that those who take the help are morally weak, it is also a philosophic point that such help dulls the will to work, to save and government assistance is said to dull the entrepreneurial spirit.

In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest".

If one has time, they might look for a review of one of Rosenbaums books by Whitaker Chambers nearly sixty years ago. Chambers was associated with twisted jewish minds for a long time, so he was well qualified to review the contortions of Rosenbaum.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-10-07   7:33:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I was curious and like to document things so I went to the link for myself which purportedly 'refuted' the claim that ayn rand went on social security.

In reality the article states no such thing, and as a matter of fact acknowledges that rand was on SS. yet they only criticize whom they call "childish" leftist critics for calling libertarians on it.

whatever the left may or may not think of rand, the fact is nthat they are 100% legitimate for pointing out the glaring hypocrisy of demonizing SS your whole life and then accepting it when u get old.

clip: http://freestudents.blogspot.co.nz/2011/10/lying-about-ayn-rand-and- social.html

I found this odd since Rand had commented that people who are forced to fund government programs are NOT immoral for taking the benefits for which they paid. For instance, it is not wrong for people to attend government schools, which are funded with their tax monies, whether they like it or not. They have to start with a false premise: that Rand said receiving Social Security, that one is forced to pay for, was wrong. Without that false claim they have no charge of hypocrisy. They pretend she took a position she never took and then accuse her of violating the position she didn't take.

in 1966 Rand's Objectivist Newsletter said that not collecting from programs that one is forced to finance would be wrong. It said:

Artisan  posted on  2013-10-07   15:22:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I was curious and like to document things so I went to the link for myself which purportedly 'refuted' the claim that ayn rand went on social security.

In reality the article states no such thing, and as a matter of fact acknowledges that rand was on SS. yet they only criticize whom they call "childish" leftist critics for calling libertarians on it.

whatever the left may or may not think of rand, the fact is nthat they are 100% legitimate.

How did you miss the embedded links to her philosophy which supports an individual getting back restitution - if the opportunity presents itself - for the $ forcibly robbed from them by government by way of taxes?

It's silly to say that opponents of government wealth transfer ( like Ayn Rand) should let their $ to be forcibly transferred away from them and not try to get some of it back if and when the opportunity comes up to do so. Wouldn't any of us @ 4um do the same?

scrapper2  posted on  2013-10-07   15:49:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How did you miss the embedded links to her philosophy which supports an individual getting back restitution - if the opportunity presents itself - for the $ forcibly robbed from them by government by way of taxes?

I agree 100% that since government steals $$ from americans through force all their lives, they should absolutely reap the so-called 'benefits', at least a pittance of it, back thru SS or whatever else they can.

I've said that for years without ever knowing anything about ayn rand.

the sole point I was trying to clarify is that cynicom said rand died on social security, and you seemed to be trying to refute that fact based on the article.

(cynicom had stated "...Rosenbaum passed away in league with the human lice of this country, on social security, monthly check to check, and on Medicare while in poor health from her "free soul living".

You replied, in part, "Cynicom, before you spout off AlterNet rumors, you should double check to see if there is any factual support."

At that point, I was very curious if it was true or not whether rand had died receiving social security. I didn't know which side was correct.

But I also understand YOUR point which is, if Rand never said that people shouldn't take benefits which they 'pay' for their whole lives. If that's the case, then I agree she is not a hypocrite. however, if someone stringently advocates non dependence on the state, it simply seems silly to accept the bennies from the 'papa' which they so deride. So I understand the left's argument, too.

Full disclosure though, personally, like cynicom, I am not a fan of atheists and would never read their books or take advice from them. there are plenty of good teachers and role models, and saints to learn from. To me, To laud a jewish atheist abortionist in any way is truly insane. No offense intended.. but.. Yikes. ;-)

Artisan  posted on  2013-10-08   1:14:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#41. To: Artisan (#40)

(cynicom had stated "...Rosenbaum passed away in league with the human lice of this country, on social security, monthly check to check, and on Medicare while in poor health from her "free soul living".

You replied, in part, "Cynicom, before you spout off AlterNet rumors, you should double check to see if there is any factual support."

But I also understand YOUR point which is, if Rand never said that people shouldn't take benefits which they 'pay' for their whole lives. If that's the case, then I agree she is not a hypocrite. however, if someone stringently advocates non dependence on the state, it simply seems silly to accept the bennies from the 'papa' which they so deride. So I understand the left's argument, too.

Full disclosure though, personally, like cynicom, I am not a fan of atheists and would never read their books or take advice from them. there are plenty of good teachers and role models, and saints to learn from. To me, To laud a jewish atheist abortionist in any way is truly insane. No offense intended.. but.. Yikes. ;-)

You threw out a number of false premises in your response. I'm not sure whether you did it on purpose or whether it's that you did not read through the thread or the article I linked to in #8. Frankly I don't care.

1. Cynicom passed along some whoppers in his statement in #5 which you have edited out. Here's what he said:

"Indeed, along with her hangerson. Rosenbaum passed away in league with the human lice of this country, on social security, monthly check to check, and on Medicare while in poor health from her "free soul living". In New York City, in a cheap apartment, with an Irish last name."

He provided no links to the lies he spouts which you don't seem to question. He paints a picture of a poor Ayn Rand subsisting on Medicare and SS payments (monthly check to check) double dipping by using an Irish name.

The article I link to in #8 dispels entirely and/or calls into question the lies that were being peddled. Here is what I said: "Cynicom, before you spout off AlterNet rumors, you should double check to see if there is any factual support." I made a general statement. You otoh key into 1 single rumor - whether or not Ayn Rand collected SS, which seems odd to me - unless you didn't "need" to read the article because you had already come onto the thread with a personal bias.

The article and other information I provide on the thread show that Ayn Rand died living comfortable circumstances not a flea a bitten apartment. She did not die as a poor pretend Irish woman named Ann O'Connor. There is no record on the SS Death Index of a woman named Ann O'Connor who lived and died in Ayn Rand's dates. There is only one person on the SS Death Index in those date parameters and the name is Ayn Rand.

I think that's at least 2 rumors that have been eliminated as falsehoods. Okay - still with me?

Regarding the question of SS - there is no evidence whether or not Ayn Rand collected SS. All we have is the fact that Ayn Rand was eligible to collect SS and the $ numbers of what she could have collected if she chose to do so. I put those #'s in quotation marks in #31 prefacing the numbers with the phrase "it has been claimed."

An acquaintance to Ayn Rand - Evva Joan Pryor - who worked for the law firm of Ernst, Crane Gitlin & Winick which handled all legal matters for Rand. Pryor is quoted in a book entitled "100 Voices: an oral history of Ayn Rand" as indicating Ayn Rand signed a power of attorney . Quote from article in post #8:

... "She signed a power of attorney and Pryor said that she acted "whether [Ayn] agreed or not." Pryor never actually says what actions she (Pryor) took in spite of whether Ayn "agreed or not." What we have is the rabid Left jumping to numerous conclusions not warranted by the evidence...there is no indication she actually got any benefits because Pryor doesn't say."

The pièce de résistance to this Pryor remark about power of attorney - what the rabid Rand haters do not realize is that Social Security DOES NOT RECOGNIZE "power of attorney." Pryor could not apply for benefits on Ayn Rand's behalf. Look it up yourself. Or ask Cynicom - he should know, eh?

Lastly - your convoluted remark about what Ayn Rand and I have said by starting from a negative and then proceeding to qualify your mumbo jumbo with an "if": "But I also understand YOUR point which is, if Rand never said that people shouldn't take benefits which they 'pay' for their whole lives. If that's the case, then I agree she is not a hypocrite."

In 1966 - well before she became ill with lung cancer - she is quoted as saying that it was incumbent on taxpayers who were forced by government to pay taxes and support welfare state programs - if the opportunity presented itself - to take back $ they were robbed off by force. See #7 and #31 - I quote Ayn Rand. It wasn't that Ayn Rand said it "was okay". She pretty much said it was incumbent for a taxpayer to recoup what had been taken by force and to not leave the $ for the welfare state to waste. The Left has no foot to stand on so I have no idea what you "understand" as being their point.

As for damning atheists - though you've not read their books - as well as "jews" and "abortionists" as a general rule - well it's your privilege to hold the views and positions. I do not share your mindset, but hey, each to their own.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-10-08 13:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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