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Title: Obamacare a single-payer ploy, says ex-GOP Senator
Source: CNBC
URL Source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101187368?__ ... 8|Obamacare%20a%20single-payer
Published: Nov 11, 2013
Author: Matthew Belvedere
Post Date: 2013-11-11 20:43:06 by scrapper2
Keywords: Obamacare failure, single payer goal?
Views: 103
Comments: 7

If opponents of Obamacare were to succeed and the president's health-care law collapsed, what would take its place?

Former Gov. Ed Rendell predicted Monday that a system like Medicare for everyone would emerge. "If Republicans and some Democrats who are attacking Obamacare have their way and Obamacare falls off, I think we're looking at single-payer down the road," the Pennsylvania Democrat told CNBC's "Squawk Box."

In a single-payer system, a single entity—usually a government—collects all fees for health care services and pays out all costs.

Also on the show, Republican Judd Gregg claimed a single-payer approach was the plan from the start. "You will have folks moving employees into exchanges, because why should they pay the full cost of insuring employees when they can put the cost on the exchange? And the exchange puts it on the taxpayer," the former New Hampshire senator and governor said.

"Then the exchanges can't function, because they won't be able to be subsidized at that level they have to be subsidized at," he continued. "Then you have the human cry that the only way we can solve this is with a single-payer."

Rendell said he did not support the single-payer approach, but added that if he had designed a system like that, it would be like Medicare. "We can have single-payer plus. A baseline that covers everyone and gives everyone prescription." People also would have the option to "buy up" for more robust coverage, he added.

A single-payer structure would lead to rationing," said Gregg. "You go to Canada, you're chances of getting elective surgery that's significant like hip replacement … you're going to have to wait two or three years. So you come to the United States and have it done." Sticking with the Canada example, Rendell pointed out that Americans turn to pharmacies north of the border to buy cheaper prescription drugs.

On Monday, the state of Kentucky, which runs its own Obamacare exchange, said 40,572 residents have enrolled, including Medicaid and private insurance. The breakdown was 33,561 sign-ups in Medicaid and 7,011 in a qualified health plan since the program began on Oct. 1.

"The state exchanges are so much better," said Rendell, but admitted, "we didn't do enough on cost containment in Obamacare."

Gregg said Obamacare is too broad: "It should have been [just] a catastrophic coverage program."

This week, the Obama administration is scheduled to release October enrollment numbers from the troubled federal health insurance exchange, HealthCare.gov—the portal for 36 states that don't operate their own.

CNBC's video clip of the discussion is here: www.cnbc.com/id/101187368

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#1. To: All, Jethro Tull, Hmmmmm (#0)

Ping!

scrapper2  posted on  2013-11-11   22:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: scrapper2 (#1)

"On Monday, the state of Kentucky, which runs its own Obamacare exchange, said 40,572 residents have enrolled, including Medicaid and private insurance. The breakdown was 33,561 sign-ups in Medicaid and 7,011 in a qualified health plan since the program began on Oct. 1."

So on a "functioning" exchange they manage to sign-up almost 5 Medicaid "customers" for every paying customer. that reminds me of this:

The old joke about the two brothers buying oranges for 25 cents each and selling them 5 for a dollar. End of the day they are sold out. One says, "You know what's wrong here?" Other says "Yeah we are going to need a bigger truck"

Sorry about the cross post.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-11-11   23:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: scrapper2 (#0)

Have you been to any of the exchanges? We all know any successful internet enterprise lets you see a price within 2 clicks of a mouse. This fiasco is more convoluted than a used car dealer, a time share, or the old razzle dazzle at the carnival put together by design. You have to incriminate yourself to see a price.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-11-11   23:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Hmmmmm (#3)

1. Have you been to any of the exchanges?

2. We all know any successful internet enterprise lets you see a price within 2 clicks of a mouse. This fiasco is more convoluted than a used car dealer, a time share, or the old razzle dazzle at the carnival put together by design. You have to incriminate yourself to see a price.

1. No, I have a business group plan policy so I have 1 year longer to wait before I experience Obamacare "Christmas."

2. I've read that's the case.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-11-12   0:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: scrapper2 (#4)

And then there is this:

weaselzippers.us/2013/11/...efused-to-speak-with-him/

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-11-12   1:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hmmmmm (#5)

Wow! That's spooky. How would they know who he was?

Btw, I love the Weasel Zippers website. Thanks for the heads up. I've bookmarked it.

Did you see this other article link? Media lefty's eating their own when one of them sees that the Emperor is not wearing clothes:

weaselzippers.us/2013/11/...she-criticizes-obamacare/

scrapper2  posted on  2013-11-12   1:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Hmmmmm (#2)

Good one! LOL!

scrapper2  posted on  2013-11-12   1:32:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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