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Title: lacumo
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Published: Nov 19, 2013
Author: ambi
Post Date: 2013-11-19 15:45:32 by ambi
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I am lacumos sister. I wanted to let you all know that he died Monday morning..

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#4. To: ambi (#0)

Try to take comfort in the knowledge that your brother's in a much, much, better eternal place.

Lod  posted on  2013-11-19   16:54:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Try to take comfort in the knowledge that your brother's in a much, much, better eternal place.

Death is only an illusion. Indeed, he's in a better place and you'll certainly see him again. But while the place is eternal, I don't believe our return there is the final journey. He'll be back.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-11-19   20:01:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

God will take good care of his people, that much we know for sure.

RickyJ  posted on  2013-11-19   21:00:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The works of both Michael Newton and Brian Weiss affirm reincarnation as a very real phenomenon. Both have independently determined, through hypnosis of thousands of subjects from all walks of life, including atheists, that we as souls incarnate in human bodies many, many times. Each life is just one chapter in the long progression of spiritual development.

The findings of Michael Newton in particular fits the observable data, and the "theology" works much more cleanly than Christian theology does. There are no mysterious questions about what happens to children when they die. The experience of tragedy, as well as hardships of life have a meaning and purpose. Life is fair no matter what circumstances we're born into, as we have chosen the lives we live. It explains child prodigies, phobias, even certain paranormal events and so much more..... Everything falls into place including the creation of the universe. Even the pitched battle between evolution and creationism/intelligent design has a logical resolution.

Yes, the love is real, and yes we are called to love and aid one another in a productive manner, and our ultimate destiny is indeed to unite with God. For those reasons, Christianity is a pretty good belief system. But beyond that, with ideas of us being condemned for all eternity for not having a certain academic beliefs, Christian theology is simply wrong.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-11-19   21:30:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Christian theology is simply wrong.

Or not. But you are entitled to believe whatever you believe.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-19   23:11:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Or not. But you are entitled to believe whatever you believe.

As we all are. But I do find the evidence of reincarnation to be overwhelming, and therefore more difficult to refute than to accept. Furthermore, the love that exists for us is far greater under Michael Newton's model of life than in the "one life / one chance for salvation" Christian model, since there is no limit to the amount of patience that exists for us to "get right with God" as it were. According to Christianity, upon death our chance for salvation expires, but the Michael Newton model says there is no expiration, which in my opinion fits better with the idea of an all powerful God that loves us beyond measure.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-11-20   0:12:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I can't square reincarnation with what the Bible teaches about our lives. It plainly says that it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27). There is a good commentary on that here.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-20   0:50:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I can't square reincarnation with what the Bible teaches about our lives. It plainly says that it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27).

Agreed. It's also not consistent with the parable of the sheep and the goats, or the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. (Rich man goes to eternal torment & Lazarus to heaven). But then what do we do with accounts like the little boy recalling life as a WWII pilot? To be a fraud would mean the sister of the pilot and the veteran crew member were in on it, and how likely is it that a sister of a deceased would allow some yuppy family to gain publicity at the expense of her deceased brother? I guess the best Christian explanation would be demonic influences on the boy.

But then there's so much more. Everything else just fits so much better with a reincarnation model.

It's really forced me to reconsider my belief that the Bible is the Word of God, and the only conclusion I can come to is that it's not. There are many good messages in the Bible, and the demonstration of love conveyed with the idea of God sacrificing his only son to save us, along with Jesus obediently suffering a horrible death in amazing servitude and incredible love is spot on. That is, the love that exists for us under the reincarnation model is indeed that great. That part matches. But the part about a wrath of God, judgment fire and brimstone eternal punishment simply does not.

I've decided that if I'm wrong, I'm wrong with a clear conscience. My other option is to lie and say I believe the Bible, but I understand the Bible says liars aren't welcome in heaven either so if I'm doomed either way, I'm going to go the honest route. And the Michael Newton route provides a lot of clean theology and hope with the understanding that we are indeed eternal, immortal beings, and loved ones who have departed are likely the same souls we've been with many times in past lives, and will again be with in many lives in the future, not to mention congregating with between lives. Physical death is simply the close of one chapter in a long Book of Life, and nothing more.

So... that's me now.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-11-20   2:02:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, you're a grown man and have the right to believe whatever you choose to believe. I think the idea that you're going to have an unlimited number of chances to "get it right" is a dangerous idea and I sure wouldn't bet my soul on it. But I don't argue with people about their beliefs, just share what I believe and why.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-20   10:27:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#21. To: James Deffenbach (#20)

Thanks. Yes from the Christian standpoint of our having one life only, it's a dangerous proposition, but that's not an honest or valid reason to discount it. I think the evidence overwhelmingly supports it, the theology works much better and the observable data fits much better so I cannot ignore that.

Certainly being honest about what we believe is an important Christian tenant, and honestly, under this model of life as portrayed by Michael Newton, I feel like I understand everything. Not all of life's "how's" necessarily, but certainly the "why's". The feeling I get with that is ... wonderful actually, in having so much confidence in understanding why we are here, why the universe was created and so on. I feel like I could debate successfully with anyone in scientific, theological or philosophical grounds on about any topic and do well.

I believe death is nothing to be feared, but actually welcomed when the time is appropriate. Apart from missing someone for a time, it's hardly something to even be mourned. This confidence is something I've carried with me for quite a while now which I never had under Christianity. So....

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-11-20 11:24:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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