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Title: Response To an E-mail and sender e-mail list.
Source: Doug's E-Mail
URL Source: http://None
Published: Dec 2, 2013
Author: Doug Scheidt
Post Date: 2013-12-02 08:27:51 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 3113
Comments: 148

Dave,

The long and short of our current condition is that we have failed, as did the generation before us, to follow God's laws or rules respecting money and faith. The generation before us allowed the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK to be implemented. Our generation has watched this behemoth take ownership of the country. Once the FEDERAL RESERVE became the creditor of the united States and virtual owner of it the individual States became like counties and lost their sovereignty. That's why there's forced FEDERAL integration which has destroyed the education system and taught the current generation to suck off of the government tit and approve socialist policies.

Everyone that you have sent this e-mail to is a card carrying socialist that is too blind to see their own reflection in the mirror. I'm not being mean, just truthful. If you're reading this and don't think you're a card carrying socialist open your wallet or purse and pull out that little card with 9 numbers that identify you. The truth is 99.9% of Americans are members of what I call the socialist democracy having left the democratic republic somewhere in the past. Today, children are given their socialist slave number at the hospital or didn't you notice ?

I liked the first scripture that your e-mail began with because I have often wondered just who it applied to. After healing the sick and casting out demons in the name of Jesus Christ he says "depart from me, for I NEVER KNEW YOU. All that tells me is that the name of Jesus is powerful and even those so-called Christians that socialize at 501(c)(3) Churches [actually tax exempt corporations] on Sundays are fooling themselves and are hypocrites. I don't want to dwell on this issue but suffice it to say that GOD'S money has no business being managed by the government or taxed. Just one example of disobedience is the fact that these 501(c)(3) churches report the tithes of their congregation to the IRS. The Bible instructs us to give in secret not letting the left hand know what the right hand does. Another thing, tithers today get a TAX DEDUCTION for their donation. So if they get a tax deduction what did they really give ? The bottom line is that God is the boss, the owner of heaven and earth but the government wants you and I to believe they are god.

Well, that scripture (depart from me) applies to everyone that decided to trust the government (men) for their welfare instead of God. Above I mentioned money and faith as the reason for this country's demise. Let's further discuss the money. Today we use FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES (which are promissory notes) to conduct our daily business. These notes are OWNED by the FEDERAL RESERVE which is a PRIVATE Bank that has recently made it impossible to think its under the control of we the people or even congress when Alan Greenspan told a congressman that neither he nor the FED answered to the U.S. Govt or the President. One thing that's imperative to understand is that "THERE AIN'T NO MONEY" - all there is are "worthless" promises (promissory notes) to pay. When we use this "currency" all we're doing is passing around DEBT for our instant needs that will be passed on to our descendants. Your e-mail mentioned 25 cent gasoline. I was a kid that pumped 25 cent gasoline but when it was paid for I got a silver quarter REAL MONEY. At that time we had silver money and our paper currency was silver certificates backed by silver. Take note that what we have today is a far cry from real money even though the bankers and politicians have made it look almost identical to our former currency. It is estimated that the "dollar" has lost 95% of its value since 1913 when the FEDERAL RESERVE was instituted.

It's time to discuss faith for a minute. Most people think of faith as a noun. If you simply believe in Jesus life / death and resurrection then you are guaranteed eternal life. Well, those people healing the sick and casting out demons in Jesus holy name BELIEVED didn't they ? I think faith is a verb, an action word wherein we live our lives as insructed by God/Jesus. God told us not to do usury. God told us to use equal weights and measures (which would include gold or silver money), but these NOTES we're using are financed at interest (usury) and through inflation and deflation (not equal weights or measures) are destroying America. Before I get into the SOCIAL(IST) SECURITY INSURANCE SYSTEM let me say I know you paid into it, so did I, so what ! This system asks you to trust man (Uncle Sambo) for your needs in old age. Keep in mind that this system didn't exist until 1935. Right here I need to digress for a moment. The united States was deemed bankrupt in 1933 just 20 years after the institution of the Federal Reserve, and on March 5, 1933 Roosevelt made the bankruptcy official by confiscating the nation's gold.

http://www.24hgold.com/english/c...tributor=Charleston+Voice

Part of Roosevelt's "NEW DEAL" was socialist security. Americans lined up for it and became socialists leaving behind their republican form of government. If you think the monetary problems we have are huge an even larger problem has occurred. We lost our constitution because of our monetary policies. There's a maxim in international law that basically states "the medium of exchange dictates the relevant law." What this means in practical terms is that when we conduct business utilizing Federal Reserve Notes, Credit Cards, Checks, Drafts, and etc., which are negotiable debt instruments otherwise known as COMMERCIAL INSTRUMENTS we are subject to COMMERCIAL LAW. This eliminates the constitution, common law and God's law. Is it satanic ? You betcha !!!!! Think about it you old geezers (I'm one too - hahaha) the FEDS never talked about taking our guns or making us get a permit or license to do anything before the 1933 Bankruptcy and Roosevelt's NEW SOCIALIST DEAL.

Today, Dave, we sit around at the coffee shop and gripe about the machinations of the FEDERAL government because most of us wonder where we lost America to the abuses oozing out of D.C. (The District of Criminals). The truth is, Dave, we let it happen too. A very trusting America allowed the bankers takeover which was orchestrated by the colluding politicians in semi-secret. Numerous folks have tried desparately to warn their fellow Americans but no one listened. Congressman McFadden, a former banker spoke out against the FEDERAL RESERVE fraud and they murdered him. Please read the following on WIKI:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden

Congressman Charles Lindbergh, (the flyers dad) said: "This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Woodrow Wilson signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."[6] Also quoted as:

"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized, the people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill."[citation needed] "A radical is one who speaks the truth."[6] "The Aldrich Plan is the Wall Street Plan. It means another panic, if necessary, to intimidate the people. Aldrich, paid by the government to represent the people, proposes a plan for the trusts instead." - The Aldrich Plan (History of central banking in the United States) was a forerunner to that which spawned the Federal Reserve.[citation needed] "To cause high prices, all the Federal Reserve Board will do will be to lower the rediscount rate..., producing an expansion of credit and a rising stock market; then when ... business men are adjusted to these conditions, it can check ... prosperity in mid career by arbitrarily raising the rate of interest. It can cause the pendulum of a rising and falling market to swing gently back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause violent fluctuations by a greater rate variation and in either case it will possess inside information as to financial conditions and advance knowledge of the coming change, either up or down. This is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any Government that ever existed. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. They know in advance when to create panics to their advantage, They also know when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well for them when they control finance."[7] I'll close this message by asking you to share this with everyone that you sent the aforementioned e-mail to. It's easy enough to cast blame on others but the undeniable truth is we have all shared equally in the acceptance of the criminal behavior wielded by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and the bankers that OWN them and also own most of us. Many refuse to believe that such a wicked paradigm shift could occur in America. And, to them I say it already has occurred and the ONLY WAY TO RETURN TO THE AMERICA WE ALL LOVE is to admit we have a problem and withdraw all support and participation in their criminal endeavor. There's a Bible passage, LUKE 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so:

The Socialist Security System calls you the beneficiary and Uncle Sambo the BENEFACTOR. But ye shall not be so.

It's truly time for all of us calling ourselves Christians to act like it. There's nothing Godly or American coming out of D.C. and I suggest that we get on our knees and ask our heavenly Father to give us our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses and mean it. I opted out of this criminal system nearly 30 years ago because I finally came to the conclusion that the SSN was likely the "MARK" of the Beast (the number of a man) or its precursor. [You better have it to buy or sell].

Regardless of the consequences of my decision, for me personally, I'm trusting God/Jesus rather than the bankers and their political puppets.

Doug Scheidt December 2, 2013 ... 100 years after the implementation of the FEDERAL RESERVE SATANIC SYSTEM.


Poster Comment:

The following e-mail was forwarded to me by an ex-city council guy and was also sent to all public officials - above is my response.

Gerry

Matt7:KJV

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This requires no comment, other than "welcome aboard!"

The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday. If all of us “old farts” have all of the money, then let us try to elect someone who might be near honest and not be after feathering their own nests.

They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are "Baby Boomers" getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshiped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration.

In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age. Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand experience. We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.

We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II, fought in Korea and Vietnam. We can quote The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangled Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America.

Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the "Hope and Change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and Lies."

You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or "Climbing the Social Ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the "Great Lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the 'Kool-Aid.' Now you're paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom.

This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2014 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we're going, and in 2014 we're going to the polls by the millions.

This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the People" and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the "Grey-Haired Brigade."

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#1. To: noone222 (#0)

Well now, lot of grist for the mill.

Firstly, may I lead the applause for a job well done.

Secondly, until the day a majority of Americans finally realize, that the "GOVERNMENT" is the enemy, there will no change in our downward spiral.

We were given birth by a bloody REVOLUTION, why are we so afraid of another, to restore our birthright??????

The Revolution was fought by the masses, LED BY MEN OF CHARACTER,men that risked everything for freedom.

Nowadays there are no men of character to lead another Revolution.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   10:19:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Thanks, Cyni. I wish I could control myself sometimes but I think that's what a lot of people have been doing which has us where we are today. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings or call them names. What I want is my country back and the freedom once enjoyed in America before we got fat, dumb, and sassy.

The fact that it doesn't look like many will resist the banker tyranny makes it very difficult for those who will resist.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-02   10:35:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#2)

I wish I could control myself

Nonsense...

When a man expresses himself verbally, it is most often difficult to ascertain his true intent.

However, expression by writing takes THOUGHT and is more accurate a barometer of his intent, his feelings and his intellect.

Addendum to your epistle.

Cong. Lindbergh was from MN, was run out of Congress by a media onslaught nationwide, led by the Jew owned New York Times. At least one attempt was made on his life.

You might think about this.

In the past 100 years, several men of note have tried to awaken America about the Fed Res. All but one have been threatened, shot at, poisoned and or assassinated, ......EXCEPT ONE....

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   10:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom, noone222, all (#1)

Secondly, until the day a majority of Americans finally realize, that the "GOVERNMENT" is the enemy, there will no change in our downward spiral.

It is not "The GOVERNMENT" that is our enemy but the Banksters pulling the strings, and establishing a DICTATORSHIP more to their liking - with them on top of course. "THE GOVERNMENT" is merely the tool. This is being done by individuals with names not some vague and amorphous "THE GOVERNMENT". NEVER lose sight of that fact, and that reality.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-12-02   11:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#3)

In the past 100 years, several men of note have tried to awaken America about the Fed Res. All but one have been threatened, shot at, poisoned and or assassinated, ......EXCEPT ONE....

That is because, I am convinced, they found another way to threaten HIM into compliance, and of course his son has already sold his soul.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-12-02   11:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#4)

Sick of the BS?

incogman.com/

Itistoolate  posted on  2013-12-02   11:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)

That is because, I am convinced, they found another way to threaten HIM into compliance

Possible in league with????

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   12:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#3)

In the past 100 years, several men of note have tried to awaken America about the Fed Res. All but one have been threatened, shot at, poisoned and or assassinated, ......EXCEPT ONE....

The "ONE" fooled me once. We, CadetD and I, supported him both financially and politically. (CadetD more than I) throughout the 1st Presidential run only to have him piss down his leg at just the wrong time. CadetD had driven to Houston as a delegate only to have Ron drop out before she even arrived.

Fool me once ....

Someone mentioned "I think they threatened him" well they all get threats especially after being elected. If an educated and politically wise Ron Paul thought he moght have to withdraw upon threat ... he shouldn't have even run.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-02   12:18:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: noone222 (#8) (Edited)

Remember, none of the others in past 100 years that were eliminated, were running for President.

Now, anyone running for president knows full well you must run on a platform that the masses understand and recognize.

Cut taxes, chicken in every pot etc etc, everyone understands that.

Eliminate the Fed Res??????? Not really, as 90 per cent of the masses have NO clue as to who or what the Fed is.

Why in hell would anyone pick such a platform to run on, unless they HAD NO HONEST INTENTION OF RUNNING?

It it was an honest attempt, why did the Fed say nothing, do nothing, even tho the past hundred years shows they have dirty hands.

Ron Paul ensured the election of a black man as President, TWICE.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   12:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Itistoolate (#6)

Interesting site - thanks.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-02   12:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#9)

Ron Paul ensured the election of a black man as President, TWICE.

I wouldn't deny a black man the office of President. A communist queer that hates freedom and America is another story.

Blacks fought in the revolution and on both sides during the not so civil war. Without going in to the pros and cons I'd simply submit that they've paid their dues and had I been born black I'd have some discontent with the way things have evolved.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-02   12:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#11)

I wouldn't deny a black man the office of President.

Perhaps a tad of clarification.

Black man...

Why on earth would the elite run, a red queer that happens to be black, for president, UNLESS THEY KNEW ONLY TOO WELL THE POLITICAL MENTALITY OF WHITE AND BLACK AMERICA????????

They knew without doubt that blacks would vote for the red queer BECAUSE he was black. They had 100 per cent of the black vote locked up BEFORE the election.

There had to be a reason they picked a BLACK, communist queer, over lots of white communist queers.

Black for some reason has an unseen goal, one that only a black could fulfill.

Black or white for president is relevant BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A BLACK MAN TO FULFILL THEIR DESIRED END.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   13:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

Perhaps they're stoking up energy for a BACKLASH.

By 2016 the nation will be so disenchanted with the leftward lurch in policy that they'll be ready to troop to the right. That rightward tilt is to include a readiness for WAR which Radar seems to forestall at the moment, but for which he leaves the door wide open.

Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.

randge  posted on  2013-12-02   16:47:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: randge (#13)

I don't know.

At the rate that we're going now, in 2016, 75% of the inhabitants will be totally dependent on what fedgov can steal from the remaining 25% of us.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-02   16:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Lod (#14)

I don't know.

I don't know either.

Like most of us, I am just poking around in the dark.

God knows what tomorrow will bring.

Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.

randge  posted on  2013-12-02   17:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#15)

Just in -

The derailed train was doing 82MPH on a 30MPH curve.

doh

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-02   17:08:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Lod (#16)

doh

Engineer was texting his ex.

Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.

randge  posted on  2013-12-02   17:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge (#13)

By 2016 the nation will be so disenchanted with the leftward lurch in policy that they'll be ready to troop to the right. That rightward tilt is to include a readiness for WAR which Radar seems to forestall at the moment, but for which he leaves the door wide open.

Spot on...

Best indicator of what you wrote????

Ten million fewer whites voted for Obama in 2012 vs 2008.

Over two millions fewer whites voted for Rumney over what McKook got.

There is a good chunk of voters waiting for redemption.

Add non voters looking for a Messiah and we are ripe for a landslide "conservative" to save all of us.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   18:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom, 4 (#18)

...we are ripe for a landslide "conservative" to save all of us.

I have no clue as to whom that might be.

The ones I've read about have all taken the beanie.

No thanks, Rand, Ted, Mike, et al.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-02   18:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Lod (#19)

I have no clue as to whom that might be.

Me either, except...

Note I said conservative in quotes?????

We have two years in which to paint and lipstick some pig, making them look like the Messiah.

Any pig would now look like a "conservative" compared to Obummer.

Will the electorate get fooled one more time?????????

Yep, you betcha, done deal.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   18:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#12)

Why on earth would the elite run, a red queer that happens to be black, for president

It dawned on me that maybe the new flag of the USSA will be Red, White, and Black w/ a yellow fringe to represent the populace.

Indians/Mexicans - Caucasions - Negroes - Asians

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-03   6:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Lod (#16)

The derailed train was doing 82MPH on a 30MPH curve.

Maybe the guy had a dyslexia attack and thought he was doing 28 ... (sarc)

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-03   6:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#12)

They "elected" a spade in order to lessen the shock of placing Hillary in the oval office?

Support bacteria.

(The world needs more culture)

Obnoxicated  posted on  2013-12-03   23:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Obnoxicated (#23) (Edited)

I think that electing a white lesbian (Hitlery) in 2008 would have been the prelude to promoting the shoeshine boy to the massa's office.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-12-03   23:38:58 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#12)

a red queer that happens to be black

LOL

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-12-04   0:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#8)

The "ONE"

thomas.loc.gov:

106th Congress (1999 - 2000) H.R.1148

Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 3/17/1999)
Cosponsors (None)

110th Congress (2007 - 2008) H.R.2755

Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 6/15/2007)
Cosponsors (None)

111th Congress (2009 - 2010) H.R.833

Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 2/3/2009)
Cosponsors (None)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-04   13:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#8)

If an educated and politically wise Ron Paul thought he moght have to withdraw upon threat ... he shouldn't have even run.

Ron Paul never withdrew from a Presidential race.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-04   14:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)

Tiff, tiff, he ran in the (Republican) Presidential Primary - twice - and copped out both times when he was actually gathering momentum.

The FEDERAL GOVT IS CRIMINAL including congress - the entire thing.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-04   17:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#28) (Edited)

Tiff, tiff, he ran in the (Republican) Presidential Primary - twice - and copped out both times when he was actually gathering momentum.

He didn't cop out. His enemies spun it that way hyperbolically whenever he had to streamline his campaign and focus to do what he could with the limited finances that he had and the more formidable delegate obstacle-course devised against him by party controllers, as compared to the bigger monied candidates. Their misdirectional yammerings caused the copping out of many from his support base like Sunshine Patriots:

used in the essay "The American Crisis" by Thomas Paine in winter 1776 during the uncertain times of the American revolution.

Sunshine Patriot refers to individuals who claim to fight against tyranny on the side of freedom, yet are unable to stick it out when the going gets tough or unfavorable.

These individuals will "shrink from the service of their country" when conditions are bad or uncomfortable for them.

Even the domineering election riggers could be defeated if more Patriots were determined to participate enough to do that.

Thomas Jefferson quote: "We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate" -- or not.

The FEDERAL GOVT IS CRIMINAL including congress - the entire thing.

Our real government is the Constitution, not the holographic sham of criminal elements that masquerade as the Federal Government.

Edited for grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   14:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)

He didn't cop out.

Sure. Right.

Everyone believes that. cough cough

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-05   14:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#30) (Edited)

He didn't cop out.

Sure. Right.

Everyone believes that. cough cough

Not getting enough delegates to win the Republican nomination doesn't equate to a cop out. Anyone paying proper attention and not in willful denial of the historical facts can verify that his campaign phase was still active both times through the last of the State Primary votes in June and that he was still a candidate in the general elections to the extent that he could be. Even Wikipedia notes him as the only one that did not formally suspend or withdraw their candidacy after the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. Your continual ahistorical distortions are dimly reflective of your mettle, not Ron Paul's. Please stop your miseducational dumbing down of America for your own sake if you can't manage to do that for our Republic.

Edited the Wikipedia link + for grammar and spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   15:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GreyLmist (#31)

Anyone paying proper attention and not in willful denial of the historical facts can verify that his campaign phase was still active both times through the last of the State Primary votes in June

I call bullshit. My roomie was a delegate from our area. She went to Houston to vote for Mr. Paul. He quit before the Texas delegate convention.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   15:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GreyLmist (#29) (Edited)

I'll refrain from cursing even though my gut is screaming to do so. You always reference the CON-job as our law while it's obvious to the casual observer that it's ignored to such an extent its existence is in question.

Then you reference the founders and others of that era that found it necessary to resort to military tactics not referendums.

Ron Paul was nothing more than a means of keeping the somewhat aware public busy stroking theirselves while the OTHER gangsters did it again, like they have for 100 years or more.

All of the quotes have been quoted yet we are where we are today. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill IsRaeli, Michael Medved, and Michael Savage Weiner (and you) continue to spew the parties line. Vote for me and I'll set you free ... what a sick joke. And, what makes it worse is that the public continue to vote for the lesser of two evils like a dog returning to his own vomit.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   16:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: noone222 (#32)

I call bullshit. My roomie was a delegate from our area. She went to Houston to vote for Mr. Paul. He quit before the Texas delegate convention.

No he didn't. Your roomie might have been snookered into thinking that he had quit but the actual evidence shows that wasn't so.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   16:12:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GreyLmist (#34)

No he didn't. Your roomie might have been snookered into thinking that he had quit but the actual evidence shows that wasn't so.

She was there and he was there ... and he had withdrawn BEFORE a vote was taken.

Another thing, it was reported earlier in the day that he had withdrawn and I heard it on the radio. At that moment I thought of all the money she'd spent, had driven to Houston, rented a room, and attended the convention, for nothing.

It made me sick and so does your never ending support of that old con man. You're a believer in fairytales.

Since we've gone this far, the 2nd time around he didn't have the balls to bring his people to the forefront in Minnesota, choosing to meet with his people at a different location AWAY FROM THE ACTION. Politics is dirty business, and Ron Paul is as dirty as any of the other FEDERAL criminals.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   16:29:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GreyLmist (#31)

Jeb Clampett discovered oil, became a millionaire..

Ron Paul discovered professional politics, became a millionaire.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-05   16:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: noone222 (#33)

I'll refrain from cursing even though my gut is screaming to do so. You always reference the CON-job as our law while it's obvious to the casual observer that it's ignored to such an extent its existence is in question.

Thomas Jefferson advised counting to ten if angry and a hundred if very angry.

The existence of the Constitution isn't in question when its opponents and the otherwise unaffiliated ignore and defy it. Patriot slackers who've gone AWOL when they should be standing their ground as guards against the "authoritarian" mirages of those who move to undermine our Republic -- a reminder for them from Thomas Jefferson: It is to secure our rights that we resort to government at all.

Then you reference the founders and others of that era that found it necessary to resort to military tactics not referendums.

I've also referenced the Chickenhawkery of some who exempted themselves from their calls to arms, for whatever reasons. Like Thomas Jefferson said: not one of us, no, not one, is perfect.

Ron Paul was nothing more than a means of keeping the somewhat aware public busy stroking theirselves while the OTHER gangsters did it again, like they have for 100 years or more.

All of the quotes have been quoted yet we are where we are today. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill IsRaeli, Michael Medved, and Michael Savage Weiner (and you) continue to spew the parties line. Vote for me and I'll set you free ... what a sick joke. And, what makes it worse is that the public continue to vote for the lesser of two evils like a dog returning to his own vomit.

Oh, eek! Don't stick me in that faultline of Neocons again, please. I haven't advocated the party line of voting for the lesser of two evils. I'm a Ron Paul advocate and have advocated the formation of a Jeffersonian party.

P.S. I have plenty of more quotes that might help to get us from where we are today to where we ought to be.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   17:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#36)

Jeb Clampett discovered oil, became a millionaire..

Ron Paul discovered professional politics, became a millionaire.

Like Ron Paul couldn't have become a millionaire doctor more easily and safely, as others surely have and then some while building investment-asset portfolios additionally. lol Thanks for that chuckle. I like the Beverly Hillbillies.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   18:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GreyLmist (#37)

Patriot slackers who've gone AWOL when they should be standing their ground as guards against the "authoritarian" mirages of those who move to undermine our Republic

Bullshit ! Counting (1-100) patriot slackers have to defend themselves in court and seldom, if ever does the CON-job assist their defense because the COURTS (not me) say it's frivolous, ridiculous, and irrelevant.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   18:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: GreyLmist (#38)

Like Ron Paul couldn't have become a millionaire doctor more easily and safely

He should have stayed a doctor. Whenever he debated the other contestants he sounded like a stuttering whimp. Many overlooked his pensive demeanor because they felt like they understood his position on numerous issues. That being said, mainstream voters laughed at him because he sounds like a sissy and they never even considered the issues.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   18:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: noone222 (#40)

Had Ron the presence of Jesse or Jim, we may have had a better outcome.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-05   18:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Lod (#41)

Had Ron the presence of Jesse or Jim, we may have had a better outcome.

I agree, but at the same time I see the entire FEDERAL Bureaucracy as a sham/fraud. The engineers of politics are shrewd.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   19:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: noone222 (#35) (Edited)

Davy Jones -- gone but not forgot. Thanks for the nostalgic memorabilia. Back to your post:

She was there and he was there ... and he had withdrawn BEFORE a vote was taken.

Another thing, it was reported earlier in the day that he had withdrawn and I heard it on the radio. At that moment I thought of all the money she'd spent, had driven to Houston, rented a room, and attended the convention, for nothing.

It made me sick and so does your never ending support of that old con man. You're a believer in fairytales.

Since we've gone this far, the 2nd time around he didn't have the balls to bring his people to the forefront in Minnesota, choosing to meet with his people at a different location AWAY FROM THE ACTION. Politics is dirty business, and Ron Paul is as dirty as any of the other FEDERAL criminals.

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

So, what you've essentially said above is that you weren't there yourself but still faithfully believe without supporting evidence (other than the secondhand fairytale reports you heard broadcast by media tricksters) that your roomie wasn't snookered or snookering you. Well, I don't know what else to say right now to make you feel better about my never ending support of Ron Paul, as I'd rather you did. I reckon the best thing for me to do about that is to soon get back to condensing my Ron Paul election-history post-project down to one portable link for untangling the chronic misperceptions of his foes.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   19:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GreyLmist (#43)

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

No, I meant exactly what I said.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   20:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: noone222 (#39)

#39: patriot slackers have to defend themselves in court and seldom, if ever does the CON-job assist their defense because the COURTS (not me) say it's frivolous, ridiculous, and irrelevant.

It's not the Constitution that doesn't assist to defend Patriots. That problem is largely due to the negligence of others -- like the NRA, for instance -- that refuse to reject and denounce the Unconstitutional actions of the courts and sundry guv-posturers as illegitimate and choose to act instead as their enablers.

#40: mainstream voters [...] never even considered the issues.

They shouldn't be counted as mainstream voters of America's Republic, imo, but interlopers from the mainstream of alien forces assailing it.

#42: I see the entire FEDERAL Bureaucracy as a sham/fraud.

I think we can call that a point of common ground to advance from in the right direction more ameniably because I, too, think that what's been wrongfully mass-marketed as our FEDERAL Bureaucracy is actually an UnAmerican sham/fraud from an invading, hostile dimension.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   20:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: noone222 (#44) (Edited)

No, I meant exactly what I said.

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida Convention. Sorry if I was mistaken about your comment. However, I haven't listened to the entire 1/2 hour video yet but am still not understanding how a February 2012 Ron Paul rally in St. Cloud, MN, long before the FL Republican convention in September, was somehow considered by you as dodging the 2008 action. Maybe you meant to post a different video?? I've never heard it suggested that McCain, Romney, et al., should have held their campaign rallies in closer conjunction with Ron Paul's to be viewed esteemably enough to pass muster as other than contemptible cowards. Btw, I differ with the opening speaker in that video because I think the Constitution's Champion, Ron Paul, is even better in some ways than a Thomas Jefferson of our time.

Thomas Jefferson despotic tree-hugger quote, believe it or not:

“I wish I was a despot that I might save the noble, the beautiful trees that are daily falling sacrifice to the cupidity of their owners, or the necessity of the poor. The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder.”

"...or the necessity of the poor." Rather callous of him, I'd say, considering how much trees were needed back then to keep people from freezing and adequately sheltered.

Edited for various paragraphical revisions + for formatting and apostrophe correction.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   21:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GreyLmist (#38)

Fact remains, olde Ron became a millionaire AS A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN.

Founding Fathers said this...Those seeking to SERVE the country, "would serve for a season, then return home to resume their normal life".

That can be found in the two volumes of Madisons notes taken during the Constitutional Convention.

On this forum I have had one other person say they had read them.

I borrowed them from Library of Congress about fifty years or more ago.

Why??? I wanted to see the actual words and thoughts expressed by those men,without having anyone tell me, WHAT THEY REALLY SAID.

PS. Franklins Mother was a Grandmother to me, about three or four times removed. My brain is faulty on that. Her name was Abiah Folger, sister to Peter.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-05   22:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: noone222 (#46)

Re: the re-drafts at #46

Just saying, no problemo if you did perchance mean to post a different video. I can empathize with having done that before when posting hastily. Luckily for me, the Edit window was still open, iirc.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   22:56:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#47) (Edited)

Fact remains, olde Ron became a millionaire AS A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN.

I have no idea what his financial bracket was prior to his political service -- millionaire before that or not -- and likely neither do you. I suspect you are a slighted heir of the Folgers coffee company fortune and somewhat anguished from that but would prefer not to discuss that possibility here in this thread.

I am, though, duly impressed with your close connection to our Founders and especially with your interest in Madison: aka Founding Father of our Constitution. Can't claim to be as well read about his writings as you but this is one of my favorite quotes by him from the Federalist Papers:

"An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one which should not only be founded on free principles, but in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among several bodies of magistracy, as that no one could transcend their legal limits, without being effectually checked and restrained by the others"

Goes well, I think, with these quotes from Thomas Jefferson [bracketed inserts therein by me]:

“A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the highest virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest."

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will [We the People of the Constitution] within [Constitutional] limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will"

See also: Post #2 of 4um Title: "The United States Council of Censure for Constitutionality" for more on Madison's noted commentary and the Pennsylvania model-example of checks and balances on guvs run amuck.

Edited for spelling and formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-06   0:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GreyLmist (#49)

Fact remains, olde Ron became a millionaire AS A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN.

I have no idea what his financial bracket was prior to his political service -- millionaire before that or not -- and likely neither do you

Uhhh, it is public.

Ron ran for Congress eleven times, his disclosures were all on record.

His stock holdings were mostly in mining companies. Actually, Ron is near the bottom in wealth, as many of the politicians are worth hundreds of millions. Myself, I tend to believe that anyone worth hundreds of millions does not really have my personal interest at heart. I know, bad olde Cynic.

I was never impressed being a scraggly limb off of the trees of several of the founding Fathers. I am happy to have survived, never been in jail, tried to do what was right.

Long ago Folgers was bought out by Jews. Same with Macys. Richard Macy was on my limb, founded Macys in NYC because the rest of the family were sailors and he hated the sea. Perhaps you have wondered why stores price many articles at dollars plus 99 cents?

Richard Macy originated that. In his first store, he wore an apron with pockets of change, so that the clerks would have to come to him for change, that way there was less chance of thievery.

Joseph and John Warren were two others. John founded Harvard medical school.

There were 12 families that purchased Nantucket Island from the Indians. Their offspring was the most enterprising group I have ever read about.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-06   4:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#50)

Perhaps you have wondered why stores price many articles at dollars plus 99 cents?

Indeed I have! -- on account of my dad joking around at times about so many things priced at $19.95/.99 :)

Interesting historical insights. Thanks for sharing those from ye olde treasury trove.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-06   5:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GreyLmist (#46)

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida

You're right.

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-06   6:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: GreyLmist (#37) (Edited)

The existence of the Constitution isn't in question when its opponents and the otherwise unaffiliated ignore and defy it.

I'd say it is in question especially when judges even at the federal level ignore, defy or manipulate it. Military check points, drones, FEMA camps, forced healthcare, gun control, immigration, NSA warrantless spying, and on and on ad nauseum ... c'mon

EDIT: Here's the reality that must be dealt with in a practical sense. The courts were constructed to avoid bloodshed but when they fail to operate as intended (jury nullification etc.) another means must inevitably manifest, and it will. I know I've mentioned it before and I'll do it again here, I have been a witness to well prepared and accurate constitutional defenses, prepared by very intelligent beings (such as Larken Rose, the Freemen, Red Beckman to name just a few) that were not only ineffective they were scoffed at by the courts.

When one of us expends the immense amount of time and industry to formulate a court brief in order to claim what are alleged to be our inalienable rights (and they're obvious) only to be scoffed at and incarcerated in some cases, we need to ask why this is so. My experience has been that the commercial nature of our monetary system has usurped the constitution through contracts (implicit or explicit in nature) ironically because the constitution restrains government intervention with respect to them (contracts).

Not only that, we are treated like animals or worse by those entrusted with power to serve and protect OUR RIGHTS.

Can I ask if you have ever defended your rights in court, personally ? Do you have any idea how much time and effort must be expended to construct a legitimate (constitutional) defense that usually gets completely ignored in most instances. I can. And I can also say from experience that without a contract of some sort their prosecution falls apart unless the offense charged is actually penal / criminal with a victim other than THE STATE (common law crime).

The speed with which courts dispense with constitutional arguments is another indicator of its worth. Judges will often bellow out "don't bring up the constitution in this court or I'll find you in contempt" ... and that's because the constitution has been usurped.

One last remark: LeRoy Schweitzer was a friend of mine and a very smart man. The FEDS murdered him after they tortured him with electrical shock treatments at a FEDERAL Prison. The Branch Davidians including little children were slaughtered by the FEDS after being tortured and were ultimately burned to death, Sammy Weaver and his mother Vicki were gunned down in cold blood by the FEDS, good people all around this country are being dispossessed of their rightful property through eminent domain ... fuck the Constitution it's time for a real fight.

Double EDIT: I have to say right here that the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and the banksters that own it are ultimately responsible for the aforementioned atrocities. As long as the country continues allowing this genocidal institution to exist the atrocities will also continue. I can't help from getting angry when I constantly here people referencing the irrelevant constitution as some sort of protection from abuse because that's simply not the case. As a matter of fact the constitution is an impediment. Those having power will never be defeated by an election or a court case because they own those things (in the commercial U.S. INC. jurisdiction) too.

You and I agree with liberty but differ on how to achieve it. [I have to calm down before I break my keyboard).

Triple EDIT: I just had to say that I know there are folks that attend this forum that have also paid a heavy price for attempting to chain the perps down with the constitution. Not only that, everyone in the country is suffering the consequences of an illegitimate government, owing it very existence to the constitution, that has always colluded with the banks for the sole purpose of stealing the country away from its true owners and shedding the children's blood to do so. Elections have no bearing on my inalienable rights. Tolerance is not a good thing.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-06   6:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: noone222, Cynicom (#52)

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

Not actively campaigning isn't the equivalent of a withdrawl and, unlike others, he stayed in the races even though he didn't have the delegate counts needed to win the nominations. All of which apparently means nothing to some of the very same people who would probably call it unfair or even a violation of their voting rights if third party candidates were eliminated as options because they couldn't make a big enough spending "splash". In times past, the most a candidate could do was take a train ride to a State (if there happened to be a railroad available in that area) and circulate some publications of their speeches. Our Constitution doesn't say that our elections are subject to the transportation and technological advancements of the times. Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate in all of American history who was expected to campaign everywhere the entire time, whether he could financially afford it or not, or he'd no longer be considered a candidate even by his supposed supporters -- as if internet access wasn't a good enough means of outreach. The worst of candidates were never, afaik, held to such unreasonable standards but this is how "Patriots" encourage more Champions of the Constitution?

You and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests. Campaigning against Ron Paul and funding contributions to him so that he could only achieve very few convention and general election votes officially, then blaming him instead of yourselves for Obama's re-selection is a cop out, as well as mindboggling. Yes, vote fraud should have been challenged more by the voters. Ron Paul would have been smeared by big media as a troublemaker and worse for pursuing that, as you know, I'm sure. In 2008, Ron Paul ran two campaigns -- one for President and one for Congress -- when it was clear that McCain would get the nomination. No one was prevented from voting for Ron Paul in the remaining Presidential Primaries/Caucuses, nor from trying to become a delegate for him because he "withrew" or didn't campaign in their district/State and that is a fact. I'm grateful that he was at least able to return to Congress then to continue representing the Constitution for America, not just Texas.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: GreyLmist (#54)

You and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests.

You're impossible.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-09   13:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: noone222 (#53)

Can I ask if you have ever defended your rights in court, personally ?

Yes but I was a lot younger then and my argument lacked Constitutional emphasis due to under-education about my rights at that time.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: noone222 (#55)

You're impossible.

You didn't say: incorrect. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: GreyLmist (#57)

You didn't say: incorrect. :)

You wouldn't know incorrect if it beat the shit out of ya ...

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-09   13:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: noone222 (#53) (Edited)

I don't know much about the Montana Freemen case but the last name of "Beam" associated with it is a big red flag, imo. I've posted extensively about that here and will look for a link to that "leaderless resistance" info later. I suspect that case was, along with Waco and Ruby Ridge, part of the Clinton admins' moves to depict Patriots and Militias as "extremists". Came across this defense argument in the case while researching it:

18 U.S.C. §§ 5, 8, and 7 explain the fact the United States is restricted to territorial geographical limits which relates only to ceded land. It does not mean all of the geographical land of the several States in the continental United States of America.

While that is largely true (apart from the aspect of Constitutional application for all of America's territory), where I think it fell off the mark is that a charge was mail fraud and the Postal service is a wholly Federal jurisdiction.

Edited last paragraph for formatting + apostrophe correction.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: noone222 (#58)

You wouldn't know incorrect if it beat the shit out of ya ...

I thought I was wrong once, but I found out later I was mistaken. lol Just joking. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: GreyLmist, noone222 (#54)

You........... and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests.

Now I feel bad again.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-09   15:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: randge (#13)

By 2016 the nation will be so disenchanted with the leftward lurch in policy that they'll be ready to troop to the right. That rightward tilt is to include a readiness for WAR which Radar seems to forestall at the moment, but for which he leaves the door wide open.

Isn't that exactly how Reagan got elected? They tidied up a bit (with the murder of the one man who could have derailed the plan, John Lennon) and Reagan won.

It may seem simplistic but our political elections are cyclical, with only two candidates from the same bankster-war-oil party. And no one ever bothers to inform the people that the two party system ain't really in the constitution as many seem to believe.

"Privileged information is the ambrosia of elitists. It gives them a sense of power, and the human ego loves to feed from the trough of power."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-12-09   16:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)

The big patterns leap out at you when you're able to step back a little and look at the big picture.

The boobs that constitute the mass of our fellows continue to be hypnotized by the shadow plays streamed out from the usual captive outlets.

Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.

randge  posted on  2013-12-09   18:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: GreyLmist (#60)

I don't know much about the Montana Freemen case but the last name of "Beam" associated with it is a big red flag, imo.

I haven't ever met the Mr. Beam you speak of, however I think he's a white supremacist writer. I may have even read some of his material at some time or another. If this is the same person all I can say is that the "Freemen" held classes related to government, law, and banking tyranny. Their focus was not on ethnicity though it was discussed. The Freemen were "separatists" (as am I) that had the ridiculous belief that they should be free to choose their friends or employees even if they were all white.

[Every clause of the Bill of Rights is abused in your face every day. To me, this is a BIG RED FLAG that says - What Constitution ? ]

I won't discuss with you anymore regarding the Con-sti-stupid because you imagine it exists while the reality and all activities of D.C. say is it doesn't exist in a fiat monetary society.

Again, and hopefully for the last time, the Constitution requires a monetary system with backing (silver/gold). Any variance destroys the Constitution for all practical purposes because it is an all or nothing document. [Notice how the politicians scream about Obama giving waivers to his friends to exempt them from the law, calling him a dictator (which the banks really are), while they remain silent about the waiver given the bankers to create our currency at interest and by doing so USURPING or CIRCUMVENTING the CON - sti - stupid.

Truth be told, we are free to choose life in a democratic republic based upon the Constitution, or the SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY under commercial law and owned by the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. 99% have chosen a form of socialism that's really not very democratic at this time.

where I think it fell off the mark is that a charge was mail fraud and the Postal service is a wholly Federal jurisdiction.

1st, anyone with a hornbook knowledge of police tactics knows that trumped up charges and lying cops are standard procedure. Second, mail fraud is alleged in almost all tax cases because the "charge" relegates the trial to a FEDERAL jurisdiction whether the "CHARGE" is true or not. (Try to recall the Branch Davidians being raided and Governor Ann Richards told they had a meth lab, or Randy Weaver being set up by the FEDs to modify a shotgun which shouldn't even be illegal under the CON-sti-stupid, which got his son and wife murdered, and resulted in a 3 million dollar award to Weaver for the wrong doing of the FEDERALES).

Here again, you tend to "believe" the liars that have you and the rest of us in an electronic cage. I want out while you want more yard time.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-10   4:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: noone222 (#64) (Edited)

Me: I don't know much about the Montana Freemen case but the last name of "Beam" associated with it is a big red flag, imo.

You: I haven't ever met the Mr. Beam you speak of, however I think he's a white supremacist writer. I may have even read some of his material at some time or another. If this is the same person all I can say is that the "Freemen" held classes related to government, law, and banking tyranny. Their focus was not on ethnicity though it was discussed. The Freemen were "separatists" (as am I) that had the ridiculous belief that they should be free to choose their friends or employees even if they were all white.

I think he's an agent provocateur and this is the 4um link I mentioned earlier for info about him:

Title: The Origins of Leaderless Resistance and Code-name PATCON for "Patriot Conspiracy"

Did some more research and it indicates that Louis Beam is not directly associated with the Montana Freemen case, as I had thought. However, since I can't find more than 12 names of those who were charged but the reported number is sometimes 14 and sometimes 23, I can't be sure yet that he's not like clandestinely involved somehow -- aside from his overt connection to the Jubilee Newspaper that covered the Montana Freemen story closely, which he reportedly writes for occasionally. [References: apfn and case docs at fourwinds10.net - web.archive.org: Charges].

1st, anyone with a hornbook knowledge of police tactics knows that trumped up charges and lying cops are standard procedure. Second, mail fraud is alleged in almost all tax cases because the "charge" relegates the trial to a FEDERAL jurisdiction whether the "CHARGE" is true or not. (Try to recall the Branch Davidians being raided and Governor Ann Richards told they had a meth lab, or Randy Weaver being set up by the FEDs to modify a shotgun which shouldn't even be illegal under the CON-sti-stupid, which got his son and wife murdered, and resulted in a 3 million dollar award to Weaver for the wrong doing of the FEDERALES).

Here again, you tend to "believe" the liars that have you and the rest of us in an electronic cage. I want out while you want more yard time.

Yard time? I'm not going to go into Part II of my rights-defense comedy of errors. I'll just say that I was long ago thrown out of jail then, instead of in. I tried to tell the LEOs to give the person their money back who paid my fine because it was my fine, not theirs, and I didn't want to pay it but they wouldn't listen to me. The way I see this topic, though, you are still stuck in the rapt audience of the Clinton era's cagey PATCON escapades, as if the bulk of their tragical Freemen newsreels aren't fraudulent baiting-lure productions, and I ain't.

This is what the Wikipedia link above on the Montana Freemen says about some of the charges:

The Freemen were known to produce their own very realistic counterfeit checks and money orders, sometimes ordering items and deliberately overpaying so they could demand refunds.

This huffingtonpost article says that they wrote "billions of dollars' worth of bad checks that came to be known as 'Schweitzer checks.'" Also, that Leroy "Schweitzer is a cousin of current Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat." Sort of an intriguing insiderish track there in the Clintonian schematics, I'd say.

I'm not under the impression that the Federales don't ever trump up charges against defendants but neither am I under the impression that all of the charges in that case were trumped up; unless it was an entirely staged drama for a staged show trial to pressurize conditions here for any genuinely Patriot-minded Americans -- in which case, all of the charges would be false. If you do think all of the charges were trumped up, I'd like to know why.

Edited for apostrophe correction and spacing.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   10:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: noone222 (#64) (Edited)

I won't discuss with you anymore regarding the Con-sti-stupid because you imagine it exists while the reality and all activities of D.C. say is it doesn't exist in a fiat monetary society.

Again, and hopefully for the last time, the Constitution requires a monetary system with backing (silver/gold). Any variance destroys the Constitution for all practical purposes because it is an all or nothing document.

:( Why am I being punished because they're Constitution lawbreakers? I say give them all of their money back and issue new money that's Constitutionally sound for our independent use, not theirs. Seems simple enough to me.

[Notice how the politicians scream about Obama giving waivers to his friends to exempt them from the law, calling him a dictator (which the banks really are), while they remain silent about the waiver given the bankers to create our currency at interest and by doing so USURPING or CIRCUMVENTING the CON - sti - stupid.

Truth be told, we are free to choose life in a democratic republic based upon the Constitution, or the SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY under commercial law and owned by the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. 99% have chosen a form of socialism that's really not very democratic at this time.

Again, you are overlooking those who don't really have much choice unless we can arrange for better alternatives...the orphaned, the elderly, the sick, the handicapped, the underemployed, the unemployed, the destitute, the homeless.

Edited to expand last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   11:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: noone222 (#66)

Why am I being punished because they're Constitution lawbreakers?

The more I think about that, the more you're reminding me of that judge I errantly presumed had the same basic concept about my inherent rights that I did. So, I'm going to tell you now the same thing I told him: I didn't commit a crime and I'm not paying any fine because somebody else did. He didn't change his decision and you might not either but I'm asking anyway on what grounds you base your complaints about the money system, or anything else the .guv scalawags do or not anarchically, if you really think the Constitution doesn't exist because they defiantly act like it doesn't.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   12:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: GreyLmist (#67)

Why am I being punished because they're Constitution lawbreakers?

You're not being punished. You're reaping what you sew. You use the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and the SOCIALIST SECURITY SYSTEM amongst other systems that YOU JOINED or APPLIED for.

You want the judges to alter the law for you. You want to claim the protections afforded under the Constitution while you operate your entire life outside of it. The Constitution guarantees that the government will not inhibit contracts. You have contractual agreements with banking institutions and others which cause you to forfeit constitutional protections that aren't agreed upon in the contracts you've agreed to. The judges are without choice because they're required to follow the LAW.

There is a Constitution, it's just that hardly anyone qualifies for its protection because they've opted to act in an environment where no constitution exists.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-11   15:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: GreyLmist (#66)

Again, you are overlooking those who don't really have much choice unless we can arrange for better alternatives...the orphaned, the elderly, the sick, the handicapped, the underemployed, the unemployed, the destitute, the homeless.

These that don't really have much of a choice may need a parental type of entity to run their lives for them ... if this is the case then they're where they belong but unfortunately it's not in the Constitutional united States of America ... it's the nanny state that they reside in.

Being free isn't for babies or those incapable of operating free of government assistance. No one is forced to join the Socialist Security System or use the credit offered by the banks through the FEDERAL RESERVE, it's your freaking choice.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-11   15:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: GreyLmist (#67)

I didn't commit a crime and I'm not paying any fine because somebody else did. He didn't change his decision

If this "crime" was a traffic violation of some sort all I need to know is if you APPLIED FOR A DRIVER LICENSE ? If so, you've already agreed to be guilty. Whenever you sign for a document under penalty of perjury you make the judge's job simple. You swore that you were a UNITED STATES CITIZEN, it's O.V.E.R.

I'd think you'd eventually get it ... you just said yourself that the judge seemed to be on the same page as you but then entered a judgment against you. The judge likely really understands the law, you don't.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-11   15:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: GreyLmist (#65)

Further debate or dialogue related to the Freemen is unnecessary since you don't know much about them. Gerry Spence stated on national television that the Freemen hadn't done anything that doesn't occur every day on Wall Street.

The "checks" being mentioned were actually called warrants (I have some) and they were drafted based upon liens perfected by the freemen against the treasury. After the liens were perfected they used them 1st to buy stamps (inconsequental amount of money) and waited until the "warrant" for the stamps had cleared before they picked up their stamps. Next, they paid some people's tax debts. The formula they used to repay the tax debt was to send twice the amount allegedly owed. They received back from the IRS a check for the over payment and the one I saw myself was for $14,000.00.

So, after that, they wrote drafts for amounts within their lien balance. The Federal Government had opened a "Special Lien Account" for the Freemen to use for drafting their warrants against. This account was approved by a FEDERAL JUDGE.

If anything, they were set up. (The International Bankers had them incarcerated and murdered in LeRoy's case).

I was never a member though I did attend their classes. At the time I didn't completely understand some of the information. I understand it a lot better today.

Again, I don't know this guy "Beam" ... I'm fairly certain that I have read some of his material without being overly impressed by it or I would remember. I do prefer living and doing business with white people because they're less trouble than most others. I don't hate anyone or any race though it's obvious some are more trouble than they're worth and others are even worse. Does this make me a racist ? If it does, I'm OK with it.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-11   15:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: noone222 (#70)

If this "crime" was a traffic violation of some sort all I need to know is if you APPLIED FOR A DRIVER LICENSE ? If so, you've already agreed to be guilty. Whenever you sign for a document under penalty of perjury you make the judge's job simple.

No, it wasn't traffic court. It was a 2A Constitutional issue.

I'd think you'd eventually get it ... you just said yourself that the judge seemed to be on the same page as you but then entered a judgment against you. The judge likely really understands the law, you don't.

No, I presumed he was on the same page -- that, being a judge, he understood Constitutional law and my rights without having to be reminded of those things. Oops. Lurnt the hard way not to take that for granted.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   12:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: noone222 (#68) (Edited)

You want the judges to alter the law for you.

I want them to stop transgressing Constitutional law with their alterations.

You want to claim the protections afforded under the Constitution while you operate your entire life outside of it. The Constitution guarantees that the government will not inhibit contracts. You have contractual agreements with banking institutions and others which cause you to forfeit constitutional protections that aren't agreed upon in the contracts you've agreed to. The judges are without choice because they're required to follow the LAW.

Evidently, you don't contractually consider the Constitution as being the superseding Party of the First Part but I do and no contractors or judges are exempt from its terms. In fact, institutions are further subject to Congressional regulations.

There is a Constitution, it's just that hardly anyone qualifies for its protection because they've opted to act in an environment where no constitution exists.

Like "Free Speech Zones" and "Constitution Free Zones" 100 miles in from our borders? I have to disagree. Am thinking, though, that it would be a good thing if we established some Constitutional Embassies in every State.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   12:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: noone222 (#69)

These that don't really have much of a choice may need a parental type of entity to run their lives for them ... if this is the case then they're where they belong but unfortunately it's not in the Constitutional united States of America ... it's the nanny state that they reside in.

Being free isn't for babies or those incapable of operating free of government assistance. No one is forced to join the Socialist Security System or use the credit offered by the banks through the FEDERAL RESERVE, it's your freaking choice.

From various websearch sources:

Kafkaesque

refers to [the author Franz Kafka and] the style with which he wrote his books (which in his dying wish asked for to be burned).

reminiscent of the nightmarish dehumanized world portrayed in the novels of Franz Kafka, the Czech novelist (1883-1924)

not realistic; "unrealistic expectations";

characterized by surreal distortion and a sense of impending danger

Marked by a senseless, disorienting, often menacing complexity. Kafkaesque bureaucracies

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   13:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: GreyLmist (#72)

being a judge, he understood Constitutional law and my rights without having to be reminded of those things.

He understood that you are a U.S. (INC.) citizen without constitutional protections ... only privileges.

And he understood the constitution too.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-12   13:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: GreyLmist (#73)

Evidently, you don't contractually consider the Constitution as being the superseding Party of the First Part but I do and no contractors or judges are exempt from its terms. In fact, institutions are further subject to Congressional regulations.

You were not a signatory and therefore you cannot be a party to the Constitution.

All of the nonsense about free speech zones and etc., is applicable to everyone that has some nexus agreement of any sort that ties them to the FED Govt.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-12   13:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: noone222 (#71)

Further debate or dialogue related to the Freemen is unnecessary since you don't know much about them.

You at #68: "You're not being punished. You're reaping what you sew. You use the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM ..."

I know enough to see that they used the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM. But I guess this means that you don't want to discuss that in their case, or them reaping what they sewed because of it, cuz you think that was different and they're special enough to get a double standard type waiver from you about it. In closing then, I'll just post this here conflicting apfn.net correspondence between an alleged Freeman and an author about them with the pseudonym there of Oceania Investigations:

Alleged Montana Freeman: Allow me to introduce myself. My name is John Richard Hance. I am one of three Hances who showed up in Montana from North Carolina about two weeks before the FBI, BATF, etc. showed up to kidnap LeRoy and Dan. I stayed on as a guest at the ranch throughout the entire seige, was subsequently kidnapped along with everyone there on June 13, 1996. I went through the phoney court shenanigans for two long years and was then sent to a Federal Correctional Institution for another three years and two months. I am out and getting back to my shattered life.

I wanted to comment on some of the information on your website, if you will give me a few minutes of your time to do so. I have read J. Patrick Shannan's book on what happened in Montana, and first I want to state that among the thousands of articles, books, reports, testimonies, etc. that I have read and heard his came the closest to capturing the truth, in its purest form, of what took place "behind the scenes".

But for some reaon J. Patrick Shannan claimed to have interviewed "all 23 Freemen" in order to gain accuracy in what he wrote. The thing is, I never spoke to the man in all the time I spent in Montana at Justus township, in Yellowstone county jail, or in any of the Federal facilities I was held in. I have never heard his voice, and I never wrote him any letters of any kind. In fact, I think Patrick only spoke with two or three of the men while they were at Yellowstone county jail. So I really don't know why he would make such a claim, except that perhaps he thought it would look good to prospective readers and might even help to sell a few more of his books. Either way, in light of the fact that his was the best, truest account of what happened to us all I never spoke up to rebut this blatantly false claim. I mention it now to you just so that there is some record that J. Patrick Shannan did indeed lie in his book about that point.

Oceania Investigations: I was delighted, of course, that you found my book to be "closest to the truth" but then disappointed that you accuse me of a fabrication.

Actually, I don't remember ever claiming that I talked to "all 23 Freemen," and I wish you would tell me on what page you found it. On page four, I say I interviewed "several" on June 22-23rd, which was a total of six, as I remember. Earlier I had spoken with Leroy and Dan a couple of times in person and several times on the phone from the Freedom Center, which makes a grand total of eight Freemen interviewed.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   13:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: noone222 (#75) (Edited)

He understood that you are a U.S. (INC.) citizen without constitutional protections ... only privileges.

Don't confuse me with the hallucinatory "American Free Press" associate, Lisa Giuliani, who thinks building our capitol city made us citizens of a corporation.

And he understood the constitution too.

I don't think he even understood that it wasn't Traffic Court, since he acted like he could have me parked in "receivership" until I decided to pay the money he demanded, which I never did myself and would've had it returned to the payor if I could have.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   14:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: noone222 (#76) (Edited)

You were not a signatory and therefore you cannot be a party to the Constitution.

I'm always amazed when people say that, as if they think the Preamble, which states: "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity", stops at "ourselves" or like the "We the People" part now refers to some aristocratic bloodline of the Founders' direct descendents where they mentioned their Posterity. lol Not so.

All of the nonsense about free speech zones and etc., is applicable to everyone that has some nexus agreement of any sort that ties them to the FED Govt.

How about the Constitutional Embassies suggestion? Can I get a "Yes" vote from you on that?

Edited sentence 1.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   14:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Cynicom (#50)

Perhaps you have wondered why stores price many articles at dollars plus 99 cents?

Richard Macy originated that. In his first store, he wore an apron with pockets of change, so that the clerks would have to come to him for change, that way there was less chance of thievery.

what an interesting little tidbit!

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-12-12   23:20:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: noone222 (#52)

Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

yep. that was the main thing that made me suspect. that and his stance on 9/11. i am an unapologetic purist on that issue.

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-12-12   23:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: noone222 (#53)

just f**king (sorry Cyni) wow. it left me speechless except for those 3 words. ;)

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-12-12   23:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: GreyLmist (#54)

Yes, vote fraud should have been challenged more by the voters. Ron Paul would have been smeared by big media as a troublemaker and worse for pursuing that, as you know, I'm sure.

yeah, and so what?? it's time. wtf cares what MSM says? Paul had no chance anyway and he knew it. he could have done a lot more by standing up to and challenging the corruption that has existed for decades. he of all people knows that without legitimate, honest elections we have NOTHING. it's all a big charade.

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-12-12   23:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: christine (#81)

yep. that was the main thing that made me suspect. that and his stance on 9/11. i am an unapologetic purist on that issue.

did you hear about ron pauls recent interview with jesse ventura? supposedly he talked 911 truth type speech with ventura.

id like to see it, but not so much that im willing to pay for it. ;-)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-12-12   23:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: christine (#83)

Yes, vote fraud should have been challenged more by the voters. Ron Paul would have been smeared by big media as a troublemaker and worse for pursuing that, as you know, I'm sure.

yeah, and so what?? it's time. wtf cares what MSM says? Paul had no chance anyway and he knew it. he could have done a lot more by standing up to and challenging the corruption that has existed for decades. he of all people knows that without legitimate, honest elections we have NOTHING. it's all a big charade.

It's not like he made no stand at all to speak out about it:

Tuesday, 13 March 2012: Ron Paul Hints at Suspicion of Election Fraud

“Quite frankly I don’t think the other candidates get crowds like this, and we get them constantly,” Paul said to reporters, after he had spoken to yet another crowd of over 2500 supporters in Missouri. “You would get the perception that we would be getting a lot more votes. Sometimes we get thousands of people like this and we’ll take them to the polling booth, yet we won’t win the caucus,” he commented, adding, “A lot of our supporters are very suspicious about it.”

When Paul was informed that Rick Santorum won the Kansas caucus, he remarked, “That reminds me of a picture I just looked at. I had four thousand people and he had a hundred and fifty. So who knows.”

[...] and the kind of things that we heard about up in Maine.”

“They said we can’t have a recount because they just write these numbers down on pieces of paper and then throw them away afterwards. So it’s that kind of stuff that makes you suspicious,” Paul noted.

In the Virgin Islands, Ron Paul got the most votes but Romney got 7 delegates and he only got one. He probably couldn't have challenged that if he wanted to because the excuse was that it was the will of the voters for delegates and not about the Presidential candidate votes. It would have looked bad for him to complain about that but continue elsewhere with his strategy of trying to win over as many delegates as he could even if the poll numbers for him were low. If he really thought he had no chance, why should he have spent more of what little money he had comparatively on challenging the corruption? The corrupters and his critics would have been glad if he ran out of funds and momentum faster trying to do that instead of his voters, at the risk of his campaign messages being diverted from many if they were then persuaded by the Press that he was a troublemaker, sore loser, crazy conspiracy theorist, etc.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   2:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#81)

yep. that was the main thing that made me suspect. that and his stance on 9/11. i am an unapologetic purist on that issue.

I should have mentioned that but had forgotten it. I don't go around bad mouthing Ron Paul nor do I feel like singing his praises.

He was the Clark Kent half of superman, the mild mannered reporter ... but never leapt a tall building in a single bound.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   5:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: GreyLmist (#79)

How about the Constitutional Embassies suggestion? Can I get a "Yes" vote from you on that?

I don't understand the question.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   5:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: noone222 (#86)

He was the Clark Kent half of superman, the mild mannered reporter ... but never leapt a tall building in a single bound.

Superman dates a person.

I know who did the voice of Superman, that really dates me.

Worthless information, interesting regardless.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   5:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Cynicom (#88)

Superman dates a person.

I'd consider it if I were queer ! hahahahaha !!!

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   5:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: noone222 (#89)

Well now, a true Superman fan would remember that he and Lois Lane were a number.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   5:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Cynicom (#90)

Well now, a true Superman fan would remember

I couldn't claim to be a fan. I never cared for comics as it was fiction.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   6:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: noone222 (#91)

I couldn't claim to be a fan. I never cared for comics as it was fiction.

Ever watch TV, listen to radio news, read newspaper?

Fiction at its finest.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   9:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: noone222 (#91)

The guy w/beard and hat, in court with the female judge is now speaking with Joyce Riley on the PowerHour broadcast.

Amazing.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-13   10:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: GreyLmist (#85)

ok, points taken.

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-12-13   11:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: noone222 (#87)

Me: How about the Constitutional Embassies suggestion? Can I get a "Yes" vote from you on that?

You: I don't understand the question.

Recap...

Me at #67: on what grounds [do] you base your complaints about the money system, or anything else the .guv scalawags do or not anarchically, if you really think the Constitution doesn't exist because they defiantly act like it doesn't.

You at #68: There is a Constitution, it's just that hardly anyone qualifies for its protection because they've opted to act in an environment where no constitution exists.

Me at #73: Like "Free Speech Zones" and "Constitution Free Zones" 100 miles in from our borders? I have to disagree. Am thinking, though, that it would be a good thing if we established some Constitutional Embassies in every State.

You at #76: All of the nonsense about free speech zones and etc., is applicable to everyone that has some nexus agreement of any sort that ties them to the FED Govt.

Me at #79: How about the Constitutional Embassies suggestion? [Ref. #73] Can I get a "Yes" vote from you on that?

Embassies/consulates of the Constitution in our States could serve as reminders for the public that America is not a "Constitution Free Zone" and could serve too as information centers about our real form of government. Constitutionalists could all be considered Ambassadors. Perhaps they could even intervene diplomatically in matters of rights violations.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   11:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: christine (#83)

yeah, and so what?? it's time. wtf cares what MSM says? Paul had no chance anyway and he knew it. he could have done a lot more by standing up to and challenging the corruption that has existed for decades. he of all people knows that without legitimate, honest elections we have NOTHING. it's all a big charade.

Anyone that cares to look at Ron Paul with an open mind, needs to go back to 2008 on the internet, take a look at many people at the time, wondering if in fact Paul was a stalking horse for someone else.

That he was not a candidate for President at all. That just perhaps he was there to ward off any true conservative from running.

Closed minds would not accept even if Paul admitted to such. There is no room for such in politics.

Approaching idolatry in politics becomes very dangerous as reality escapes many individuals.

The very basic premise of Pauls effort was...THE FEDERAL RESERVE.... of whom 90 per of voters had never heard of. That in of itself indicates the man was never sincere.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   12:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: GreyLmist (#95) (Edited)

if you really think the Constitution doesn't exist because they defiantly act like it doesn't.

If you'll recall, I said there is a Constitution, but very few qualify for the protections it offers.

The original form of government was a democratic republic under the Constitution. Incrementally the people optioned out by making arrangements generally for some form of security or convenience.

The STATES have become subsidiaries (like counties) belonging to the FEDERAL (not national) Government in Washington, D.C. ... that's why the judges in STATE courts do business utilizing commercial paper rather than gold or silver coin.

You can get by using the paper currency (FRNs) because there's no signature on anything that can be used as evidence of a contract with the strawman signed and authorized by the (natural man) agent. (Bank Accounts and Credit Cards always require a sig-nature. (Mark of the natural man).

Truth is if you don't want to go to hell, don't do business with the devil.

I've argued that an honest judge would simply come out and give the precise reasons the constitution doesn't apply in any given case ... but they don't.

EDIT: I asked about the driver license thing because it's the most common of violations charged and all of the OLD court cases refer to it as something commercial, not requiring a license. That being said, the courts rule against all constitutional claims knowing that the appellate process is ridiculously complex and time consuming so that few will ever survive the guantlet. Somewhere aling the line they'll find a nexus between commerce and the appellant.

When you understand the Social Security is an INSURANCE SCHEME and that all insurance is commercial it becomes clear that everyone with a driver license also has an SSN and is involved in commerce.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   12:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine, noone222, Artisan, 4 (#94)

ok, points taken.

:) While I'm here, am posting (for those with concerns about Ron Paul and his stance on 9/11) a short dailypaul.com review regarding his recent interview with Jesse Ventura on that subject at the Ron Paul Channel, a link for the 38 second Preview video there that shows pics of JFK and 9/11 as he makes a reference to "the greatest conspiracies of our time", and also a 5.75 minute YouTube video of Jesse Ventura speaking out about 9/11 at Ron Paul's separate 2008 Convention (Rally for the Republic) in Minneapolis, Minnesota -- most likely with Ron Paul's "OK" to do that:

Review at dailypaul.com on Wed, 10/09/2013 | Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura discuss 9/11

I just watched Ron's interview with Jesse on the Ron Paul Channel.

I knew Jesse's views on 9/11 but I was surprised to hear Ron talk about it more openly than I've heard him do so before. He sounded more like a truther than I had believed him to be. He even mocked people who use the word "truther" as an insult. After all, truth is treason in an empire of lies, as he said.

I know Ron always talked about how we need a new investigation but he never gave me the impression that he believed anyone other than Bin Laden did it. But in this interview both he and Jesse made it clear that they don't believe the official version of the Kennedy assassination or 9/11, and that the commissions that investigated both were nothing but cover ups.

Great stuff.

Preview video ["Jesse Ventura: Exposing Government Lies" dated October 8, 2013] currently on Pg. 2 of the Interviews at the Ron Paul Channel.

YouTube video: Jesse Ventura Speaks About 9/11 at Ron Paul Rally (9/2/08)

Description: At the Ron Paul Rally for the Republic in Minneapolis, Minnesota former governor Jesse Ventura expressed his concerns about 9/11 to a receptive crowd of nearly 10,000 people.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   13:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Cynicom (#96)

just perhaps he was there to ward off any true conservative from running.

You keep saying that without ever stating which true conservative(s) you think were constrained by him from running. He was the only true conservative.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   13:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: noone222 (#97)

I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution. So, was that like a "No" vote on the Constitutional Embassies/consulates suggestion?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   14:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: GreyLmist (#98)

yeah, since paul's a mason he cannot be trusted.

people may deny he's a mason, but since his wife and daughters are admitted masons, duh, hes a mason. if I ever had the chance to see him, I would ask him on video if he is a mason. id ask the same of randy too.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-12-13   14:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: GreyLmist (#99)

He was the only true conservative.

Go back to the Trotsky memo...

RON PAUL MAKES IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR HE IS A......REPUBLICAN......

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   14:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: GreyLmist, noone222, Christine (#98)

Ron Paul, Trotsky memo...

" I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them..... But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican".........

Anyone that wears the badge of the pub party would of course go to the wall with Paul.

There is but ONE party, following either wing is the cause that is ruining this country.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   14:39:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Cynicom (#103) (Edited)

We've been over your so-called "Trotsky Memo" misperceptions numerous times, apparently all to no avail. So what's the point you're trying to make now? That Republicans can't be Conservatives? Who then are the Conservatives which you keep speaking of as having been warded off from running by Ron Paul? You still haven't identified even one.

Anyone that wears the badge of the pub party would of course go to the wall with Paul.

I can only conclude from your statement there that you somehow missed all of the vote riggings against him by...the Republican Party. And you seem determined to rob us even of the legacy of his educational efforts to alert others about Federal Reserve problems.

Edited next to last sentence of paragraph 1.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   15:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: GreyLmist (#104)

misperceptions

Good heavens...

I swear there is no alternate meaning to..."I am a republican and will remain a republican".....

Plain and simple.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   15:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Artisan (#101)

yeah, since paul's a mason he cannot be trusted.

people may deny he's a mason, but since his wife and daughters are admitted masons, duh, hes a mason. if I ever had the chance to see him, I would ask him on video if he is a mason. id ask the same of randy too.

I thought I saw a pic of you shaking hands with him. I'm not as convinced, as you've become, that he must be a Mason if his close family members are. Just tell me, please, who you think can be trusted.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   15:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Cynicom (#105) (Edited)

It's been explained to you more than once that, at the time, Ron Paul not only had a commitment to represent his district as the Republican that they voted into office but that he had also signed agreements to not run third party in 2008, to gain ballot access in some states. Is that plain and simple enough yet?

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   16:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: GreyLmist (#107)

It's been explained to you more than once

I must consider that as an insult to my meager intelligence.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   17:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: GreyLmist (#106)

"When once men recognize, both in private and in public life, that Christ is King, society will at last receive the great blessings of real liberty, well- ordered discipline, peace and harmony." QUAS PRIMAS- ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI 'ON THE FEAST OF CHRIST THE KING.' December 11, 1925

God. :-)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-12-13   17:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: GreyLmist (#106)

Just tell me, please, who you think can be trusted.

No FED can be trusted, period.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   18:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: GreyLmist (#100)

I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution.

You have tunnel vision and only see what you want to see.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   18:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Cynicom (#103)

There is but ONE party, following either wing is the cause that is ruining this country.

Someone said that , I know, but the name escapes me. It was to this effect, "The parties shall be rotated in power so as to make the people think there is change. In reality there is only one party, and we control them both." ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   18:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: GreyLmist (#100) (Edited)

I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution.

When they abrogated the gold standard in 1933, they passed HJR 192. HJR 192 was repealed, but the remedy lies in the U.S. Code at Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112 . But, since HJR 192 was repealed, they still have to provide a remedy, and that is found in the U.S. Code as stated.

The UCC has a purpose, and that is what you do not see clearly. The U.S. government creates an account for everyone using their ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME.

This is the so-called "strawman".

They fund this account and use the money for whatever they want. If you know how to access that account, you can use it to pay any claim the state or federal governments have, or even Claims of the Courts, i.e. traffic fines. This is called an "assignment of account" and there is case law that states this is a valid payment.

HJR 192 was a resolution. Chap. 48, 48 Stat 112 is a Public Law. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   19:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: BTP Holdings (#112)

It was to this effect, "The parties shall be rotated in power so as to make the people think there is change. In reality there is only one party, and we control them both." ;)

The ruling elite that own the government, love the dedicated patriotic party voters.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   19:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Cynicom (#114)

the dedicated patriotic party voters.

I was one of those for a long time. I have since seen the light. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   19:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: BTP Holdings (#115)

Even at my age, I can recall being schooled in the 1930s that it was a persons patriotic DUTY to vote.

We had brainwashing and programming way back then.

By voting, a voter is legitimizing this corrupt government, they are agreeing that there is no problem.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   19:36:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: GreyLmist (#95) (Edited)

I have a book titled, "Constitution, Fact or Fiction". It's been a long time since I've read it, so my memory is a bit fuzzy about its contents. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   19:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Cynicom (#1)

Nowadays there are no men of character to lead another Revolution.

The boss where I work said that the people have lost their courage. Not only that, but the children have been dumbed down by attending the schools. The school system is merely an indoctrination center. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   20:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: BTP Holdings (#118)

but the children have been dumbed down by attending the schools

Years ago they were called Public Schools.

Now they are tax payer funded factories, turning out damaged material.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   21:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Cynicom (#108)

It's been explained to you more than once

I must consider that as an insult to my meager intelligence.

It's simply a fact. No need for you to be insulted by it. My ability to communicate intelligently enough to convey what should be easily understandable without tedious repetitions is what's being insulted by your continual imperviousness about it. I'm sure that's not due to meager intelligence on your part so it appears that it's a failing of mine or something else like gaming for sport.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   21:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: GreyLmist (#120)

It's simply a fact

It was and is an insult.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   21:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: noone222 (#110)

Me at #106: Just tell me, please, who you think can be trusted.

Artisan at #109: God. :-)

noone at #110: No FED can be trusted, period.

I'm not going to argue against that advice, thank you very much. And now for a few words from two of our Founders:

Thomas Jefferson: "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question."

James Madison: "If men were angels, no government would be necessary."

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   21:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Cynicom (#121)

It was and is an insult.

Well, it wasn't intended to be an insult so get over it and put it behind us so we can move on from there.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   21:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: BTP Holdings (#113) (Edited)

When they abrogated the gold standard in 1933, they passed HJR 192. HJR 192 was repealed, but the remedy lies in the U.S. Code at Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112 . But, since HJR 192 was repealed, they still have to provide a remedy, and that is found in the U.S. Code as stated.

The UCC has a purpose, and that is what you do not see clearly. The U.S. government creates an account for everyone using their ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME.

This is the so-called "strawman".

They fund this account and use the money for whatever they want. If you know how to access that account, you can use it to pay any claim the state or federal governments have, or even Claims of the Courts, i.e. traffic fines. This is called an "assignment of account" and there is case law that states this is a valid payment.

HJR 192 was a resolution. Chap. 48, 48 Stat 112 is a Public Law. ;)

What this is actually about is the default on WWI War Bond terms and an Unconstitutional, counterfeit scam devised to try and get around that by Congress pretending it was too complicated for them to regulate the gold value of our dollars, due to market fluctuations that really should have nothing to do with their stabilizing power to set the weights and measures of that commodity here for America's currency purposes. What's being called "a remedy" is really more like bribery or "hush munney" to play along with the gold heisters' Federal Reserve Note counterfeiting farce against our Constitution -- and also amounts to payolla for acting as reinforcements of the concocted "strawman" scheme to enrich all the "insider" profiteers and marketeers of it at the expense of everyone else of our country and the world who are harmed by it.

Edited for spelling and last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   22:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Cynicom (#123)

it wasn't intended to be an insult so get over it and put it behind us so we can move on from there.

P.S. I'm sincerely sorry you felt insulted by my opening remark and apologize for that.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   22:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: BTP Holdings, 4 (#113) (Edited)

Me: I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution.

BTP Holdings: When they abrogated the gold standard in 1933, they passed HJR 192. HJR 192 was repealed, but the remedy lies in the U.S. Code at Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112 . But, since HJR 192 was repealed, they still have to provide a remedy, and that is found in the U.S. Code as stated.

The UCC has a purpose, and that is what you do not see clearly. The U.S. government creates an account for everyone using their ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME.

This is the so-called "strawman".

They fund this account and use the money for whatever they want. If you know how to access that account, you can use it to pay any claim the state or federal governments have, or even Claims of the Courts, i.e. traffic fines. This is called an "assignment of account" and there is case law that states this is a valid payment.

HJR 192 was a resolution. Chap. 48, 48 Stat 112 is a Public Law. ;)

These links are for the most relevant info on this subject that I could find since your post:

Wikipedia: Liberty bond | Default of the Fourth Liberty Bond

A Liberty Bond was a war bond that was sold in the United States to support the allied cause in World War I. Subscribing to the bonds became a symbol of patriotic duty in the United States and introduced the idea of financial securities to many citizens for the first time. The Act of Congress which authorized the Liberty Bonds is still used today as the authority under which all U.S. Treasury bonds are issued.

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

The first three Liberty bonds, and the Victory Loan, were retired during the course of the 1920s. However, because the terms of the bonds allowed them to be traded for the later bonds which had superior terms, most of the debt from the first, second, and third Liberty bonds was rolled into the fourth issue. As a result, the large majority of Liberty bond debt was still outstanding into the 1930s.

The terms of the bond included: "The principal and interest hereof are payable in United States gold coin of the present standard of value."[18] This type of "gold clause" was common in both public and private contracts of the time, and was intended to guarantee that bond-holders would not be harmed by a devaluation of the currency.

However, when the US Treasury called the fourth bond on April 15, 1934,[18] it defaulted on this term by refusing to redeem the bond in gold, and neither did it account for the devaluation of the dollar from $20.67 per troy ounce of gold (the 1918 standard of value) to $35 per ounce. The 21 million[2] bond holders therefore lost 139 million troy ounces of gold, or approximately 41% of the bond's principal. This was the equivalent of $2.866 billion (in 1918 dollars), or approximately $220 billion at the 2012 price of $1600 per ounce.

The legal basis for the refusal of the US Treasury to redeem in gold was House Joint Resolution 192, dated June 5, 1933.[19] The Supreme Court later held this to be unconstitutional under section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment.:[20]

We conclude that the Joint Resolution of June 5, 1933, insofar as it attempted to override the obligation created by the bond in suit, went beyond the congressional power.

—Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, Perry v United States, 294 US 330 (1935), Page 294 U. S. 354

However, due to Roosevelt's elimination of the open gold market, the Court ruled that the bond-holders' loss was unquantifiable, and that to repay them in dollars according to the 1918 standard of value would be an "unjustified enrichment".[18]

Discussion thread on Perry v United States, etc., at savingtosuitorsclub.net: HJR-192 was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court

focusoncommerce.net: aka House Joint Resolution 192 – PUBLIC LAW 73-10 [1 page version, easy reading format]

Approved, June 5, 1933, 4:40 p.m. 31 U.S.C.A. 462, 463

House Joint Resolution 192, 73d Congress, Sess. I, Ch. 48, June 5, 1933 (Public Law No. 10 )

Scribd docs: HJR-192.Original=1933-06-05 [multiple pages, includes Chapter 48-112]

Hard to Find Original Copy of House Joint Resolution 192 of 5th June 1933. Enjoy Having this Rare Document. Use it Wisely.

Note to Reader: Portions have been redacted to only show HJR 192.

House Joint Resolution #192 as passed by the 73rd Congress on June 5, 1933

What Follows is an Actual Copy of HJR192 as Originally Printed by the United States Government Printing Office in 1934

Note to Reader: Portions have been redacted to only show HJR 192.

Source: http://whatistaxed.servehttp.com/statutes_at_large/sal_1/E48_Statutes_at_Large. pdf

THE STATUTES AT LARGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

FROM MARCH 1933 to JUNE 1934

Scroll down to Public Laws: 112 73rd CONGRESS. SESS. I. CHS. 46-48. JUNE 3, 5, 1933.

[CHAPTER 48.]

Edit to remove a non-working Wikipedia link + for spacing.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   0:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Cynicom (#116)

Do you remember Father Coughlin? did you or your family listen to him? in the 30s?

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-12-14   4:35:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Artisan (#127)

Do you remember Father Coughlin?

I barely remember the name only, along with Lindbergh.

Of course with internet most knowledge is from there.

We had a battery powered radio, so listening time was limited.

FDR I recall well as my Father called him bad names.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-14   6:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: GreyLmist (#122)

Artisan at #109: God. :-)

noone at #110: No FED can be trusted, period.

I'll go with Artisan on this one.

The word government really says it all: Govern (control) Ment (mind) ... mind control.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-14   6:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: GreyLmist (#124)

What's being called "a remedy" is really more like bribery or "hush munney" to play along with the gold heisters' Federal Reserve Note counterfeiting farce against our Constitution -- and also amounts to payolla for acting as reinforcements of the concocted "strawman" scheme to enrich all the "insider" profiteers and marketeers of it at the expense of everyone else of our country and the world who are harmed by it.

You just don't get it. THERE IS NO FUCKING MONEY! They must provide a remedy to this situation. It is as I have stated. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-14   12:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: GreyLmist (#126)

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

So, you still think that the attacks of 9-11-01 were a terrorist attack? Nonsense. Those attacks were fomented by the U.S. Government in order to provoke a war against Iraq, which was at the behest of Israel. Mohammed Atta could not even fly a Cessna. What makes you think he could fly a jumbo jet? ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-14   12:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: GreyLmist (#126)

From the link:

The key sentence is the final one.

Due to the significant restrictions placed on gold trading by Roosevelt's reforms, the Court ruled that the bond-holders' loss was unquantifiable, and that to repay them in dollars according to the 1918 standard of value would be an "unjustified enrichment".[17] The ruling therefore had little practical effect.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-14   12:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: BTP Holdings (#131)

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

So, you still think that the attacks of 9-11-01 were a terrorist attack? Nonsense. Those attacks were fomented by the U.S. Government in order to provoke a war against Iraq, which was at the behest of Israel. Mohammed Atta could not even fly a Cessna. What makes you think he could fly a jumbo jet? ;)

I didn't write that. It was copied from the Liberty bond info at Wikipedia, along with the other segments which I posted here for that topic. The [1] at the end of the sentence is a reference to Footnote #1 at that Wikipedia page. Technically speaking, though, I actually do think that America was attacked by terrorists on 9/11/01 but likely not the bin Laden gang variety, as the official story goes. So, I think it's a matter of which terrorists and what happened how. That being said, I'm editing out the words of the sentence, copied below, that are confusingly suggestive of officialdom's storyline:

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   19:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: BTP Holdings (#132) (Edited)

From the link:

The key sentence is the final one.

Due to the significant restrictions placed on gold trading by Roosevelt's reforms, the Court ruled that the bond-holders' loss was unquantifiable, and that to repay them in dollars according to the 1918 standard of value would be an "unjustified enrichment".[17] The ruling therefore had little practical effect.

The ruling had little practical effect for the bondholders who lost a lot of money. Afaik, SCOTUS ruled that the moving by Congress to alter the gold payment terms of those contracts after the bonds were already issued (with their asserted "remedy" of Federal Reserve Notes and whatnot other than gold as legal tender) was Unconstitutional, while at the same time SCOTUS aided and abetted the gold and gold standard heists, as well as the gold-value robberies of the bondholders. Yet another example of the the gov branches all doing wrong but the ruling that Congress acted Unconstitutionally was correct.

Edited for grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   19:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: BTP Holdings (#130) (Edited)

What's being called "a remedy" is really more like bribery or "hush munney" to play along with the gold heisters' Federal Reserve Note counterfeiting farce against our Constitution -- and also amounts to payolla for acting as reinforcements of the concocted "strawman" scheme to enrich all the "insider" profiteers and marketeers of it at the expense of everyone else of our country and the world who are harmed by it.

You just don't get it. THERE IS NO FUCKING MONEY! They must provide a remedy to this situation. It is as I have stated. ;)

A "remedy" so secret that who even knows about it and can access their "strawman" accounts? That's of no use to them but this is an example of how it works for the insiders, as explained at dailypaul.com:

they endorse the back of your promissory note and deposit it in a secret account in your name. Then 72 hrs. later, they call the Treasury Dept, and say "Hey, someone has abandoned this account, can we have it?", and the Treasury says "Sure, it's all yours!".

Then the crook bankers pillage that account for about 10 times more

What the UCC cottage industry aficionados accept as a money "remedy" is Federal Reserve Note kickbacks for their participation to keep the scam going -- making them accomplices, whether that's done knowingly or not.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   20:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: noone222 (#129)

The word government really says it all: Govern (control) Ment (mind) ... mind control.

That's interesting. I hadn't looked at it that way before. I still wouldn't vote for Anarchy instead, though.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   21:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: GreyLmist (#135)

A "remedy" so secret that who even knows about it and can access their "strawman" accounts? That's of no use to them but this is an example of how it works for the insiders, as explained at dailypaul.com:

they endorse the back of your promissory note and deposit it in a secret account in your name. Then 72 hrs. later, they call the Treasury Dept, and say "Hey, someone has abandoned this account, can we have it?", and the Treasury says "Sure, it's all yours!". Then the crook bankers pillage that account for about 10 times more

What the UCC cottage industry aficionados accept as a money "remedy" is Federal Reserve Note kickbacks for their participation to keep the scam going -- making them accomplices, whether that's done knowingly or not.

So, it is all a scam? I think not.

I've used these "Assignment of Account" documents to get rid of Court Claims, i.e. traffic fines. When they ignore the paperwork and fail to remove it from the record, we take them to task. It is a default judgment, which means they owe treble damages, for failing to remove the item from the record. I have one such issue in the St. Louis City Court presently. I have the receipts for mailing it to them. All I need to do now is to take them to task on this issue.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-15   14:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: GreyLmist (#136)

The word government really says it all: Govern (control) Ment (mind) ... mind control.

That's interesting. I hadn't looked at it that way before. I still wouldn't vote for Anarchy instead, though.

"Gotcha" don't they !

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-15   16:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: GreyLmist (#135) (Edited)

A "remedy" so secret that who even knows about it and can access their "strawman" accounts? That's of no use to them but this is an example of how it works for the insiders, as explained at dailypaul.com:

they endorse the back of your promissory note and deposit it in a secret account in your name. Then 72 hrs. later, they call the Treasury Dept, and say "Hey, someone has abandoned this account, can we have it?", and the Treasury says "Sure, it's all yours!".

Then the crook bankers pillage that account for about 10 times more

You know what? The way they tell it on dailypaul.com is exactly how it works. No lie. Your signature paid for the house when you signed the note. That is a fact. And the banksters are pillaging all of us. They use your signature to pay off the house and then they do just like it says, they go to the treasury department and say, "Look this property is abandoned." They are indeed BANKSTERS! ;)

BTW, the account they deposit the note into is made out to your ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME. This is your Strawman.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-15   16:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: noone222 (#138)

"Gotcha" don't they !

Nope. I'm camouflaged.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-16   1:47:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: BTP Holdings (#139)

You know what? The way they tell it on dailypaul.com is exactly how it works. No lie. Your signature paid for the house when you signed the note. That is a fact. And the banksters are pillaging all of us. They use your signature to pay off the house and then they do just like it says, they go to the treasury department and say, "Look this property is abandoned." They are indeed BANKSTERS! ;)

BTW, the account they deposit the note into is made out to your ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME. This is your Strawman.

You can probably see from that example how they don't really lose any money from mortgage defaults and didn't need to be bailed out. Also, how their abominable "strawman" mazes are surely not at all a "remedy" for our Republic.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-16   3:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: GreyLmist (#141)

You can probably see from that example how they don't really lose any money from mortgage defaults and didn't need to be bailed out. Also, how their abominable "strawman" mazes are surely not at all a "remedy" for our Republic.

When I got the last printout on my DL from the License Office here in town, they printed it out, and looking at it, you can see that they use UPPER and lower case letters until they get to your name. When they print out your name it is indeed in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. There is a reason for this. And that is how they distinguish you, the real, live person, from the STRAWMAN.

Think about the movie, "The Wizard of Oz". In it, you have the characters, Dorothy, the real, live person. And then the other characters, one of which is the Strawman. That movie was about how the UCC runs our life. All of the States have codified the UCC. It is that way in Missouri, as well as all the other 49 States. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-16   6:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: BTP Holdings (#137) (Edited)

So, it is all a scam? I think not.

I've used these "Assignment of Account" documents to get rid of Court Claims, i.e. traffic fines. When they ignore the paperwork and fail to remove it from the record, we take them to task. It is a default judgment, which means they owe treble damages, for failing to remove the item from the record. I have one such issue in the St. Louis City Court presently. I have the receipts for mailing it to them. All I need to do now is to take them to task on this issue.

They have corrupted America's governing -- judicially, monetarily and otherwise -- with their strawman monstrosities. What they get in return, for a few crumbs from their secretive-society tables to some of the well-intentioned people who try to work within that facade by those contrived rules, amounts to: the appearance of endorsing their scams as "legit".

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-16   11:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: BTP Holdings (#142)

When I got the last printout on my DL from the License Office here in town, they printed it out, and looking at it, you can see that they use UPPER and lower case letters until they get to your name. When they print out your name it is indeed in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. There is a reason for this. And that is how they distinguish you, the real, live person, from the STRAWMAN.

Think about the movie, "The Wizard of Oz". In it, you have the characters, Dorothy, the real, live person. And then the other characters, one of which is the Strawman. That movie was about how the UCC runs our life. All of the States have codified the UCC. It is that way in Missouri, as well as all the other 49 States. ;)

If we established Constitutional Embassies/consulates in all of our States, they could help to educate more Americans about what's being done wrongfully.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-16   12:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: GreyLmist (#141)

The truth is that there ain't "NO MONEY" only credit. It's a system that only exists as long as people have "FAITH" in it. (Like 99.9% of the people).

The ALL CAPITAL NAME and the strawman stuff is reality but gets over-played by patriots. Another thing that happens is that some people may understand the real deal without having the ability to explain it so that people without a clue can comprehend it ... The folks that set this LEGAL / FRAUD in motion are geniuses that actually used the constitution against itself to do it and the folks they play it on are mullets ... it's fucking genius.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-17   18:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: GreyLmist (#140)

Just because you're all lit up doesn't mean you're bright !

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-17   18:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: noone222 (#146)

Just because you're all lit up doesn't mean you're bright !

Oh, yeah? Well, it doesn't exactly mean either that I ain't bright at all ever.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-18   14:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: noone222 (#145)

The truth is that there ain't "NO MONEY" only credit. It's a system that only exists as long as people have "FAITH" in it. (Like 99.9% of the people).

I hope we can agree that's not a money "remedy" system for America.

The ALL CAPITAL NAME and the strawman stuff is reality but gets over-played by patriots.

I think it's sometimes forgotten that all capital letters might also be used to simply make words more visible.

Another thing that happens is that some people may understand the real deal without having the ability to explain it so that people without a clue can comprehend it ...

[References] When lawfulpath.com makes claims about a nom de guerre/war name, etc., on Pg. 197 of that doc, it ought to give a better footnote source than just "Francis Wharton, Pa. Dig., Section 20.94 (1853)." ???

The folks that set this LEGAL / FRAUD in motion are geniuses that actually used the constitution against itself to do it and the folks they play it on are mullets ... it's fucking genius.

I think folks can be sure that those scammers have no intention of handcuffing/incarcerating a strawman or sending imitation strawmen off to fight wars.

How about the Perry case noted above in this thread? Might FRNs as "legal tender" have been ruled Unconstitutional by SCOTUS when the legislation in question was?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-18   15:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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