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Title: Response To an E-mail and sender e-mail list.
Source: Doug's E-Mail
URL Source: http://None
Published: Dec 2, 2013
Author: Doug Scheidt
Post Date: 2013-12-02 08:27:51 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 3545
Comments: 148

Dave,

The long and short of our current condition is that we have failed, as did the generation before us, to follow God's laws or rules respecting money and faith. The generation before us allowed the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK to be implemented. Our generation has watched this behemoth take ownership of the country. Once the FEDERAL RESERVE became the creditor of the united States and virtual owner of it the individual States became like counties and lost their sovereignty. That's why there's forced FEDERAL integration which has destroyed the education system and taught the current generation to suck off of the government tit and approve socialist policies.

Everyone that you have sent this e-mail to is a card carrying socialist that is too blind to see their own reflection in the mirror. I'm not being mean, just truthful. If you're reading this and don't think you're a card carrying socialist open your wallet or purse and pull out that little card with 9 numbers that identify you. The truth is 99.9% of Americans are members of what I call the socialist democracy having left the democratic republic somewhere in the past. Today, children are given their socialist slave number at the hospital or didn't you notice ?

I liked the first scripture that your e-mail began with because I have often wondered just who it applied to. After healing the sick and casting out demons in the name of Jesus Christ he says "depart from me, for I NEVER KNEW YOU. All that tells me is that the name of Jesus is powerful and even those so-called Christians that socialize at 501(c)(3) Churches [actually tax exempt corporations] on Sundays are fooling themselves and are hypocrites. I don't want to dwell on this issue but suffice it to say that GOD'S money has no business being managed by the government or taxed. Just one example of disobedience is the fact that these 501(c)(3) churches report the tithes of their congregation to the IRS. The Bible instructs us to give in secret not letting the left hand know what the right hand does. Another thing, tithers today get a TAX DEDUCTION for their donation. So if they get a tax deduction what did they really give ? The bottom line is that God is the boss, the owner of heaven and earth but the government wants you and I to believe they are god.

Well, that scripture (depart from me) applies to everyone that decided to trust the government (men) for their welfare instead of God. Above I mentioned money and faith as the reason for this country's demise. Let's further discuss the money. Today we use FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES (which are promissory notes) to conduct our daily business. These notes are OWNED by the FEDERAL RESERVE which is a PRIVATE Bank that has recently made it impossible to think its under the control of we the people or even congress when Alan Greenspan told a congressman that neither he nor the FED answered to the U.S. Govt or the President. One thing that's imperative to understand is that "THERE AIN'T NO MONEY" - all there is are "worthless" promises (promissory notes) to pay. When we use this "currency" all we're doing is passing around DEBT for our instant needs that will be passed on to our descendants. Your e-mail mentioned 25 cent gasoline. I was a kid that pumped 25 cent gasoline but when it was paid for I got a silver quarter REAL MONEY. At that time we had silver money and our paper currency was silver certificates backed by silver. Take note that what we have today is a far cry from real money even though the bankers and politicians have made it look almost identical to our former currency. It is estimated that the "dollar" has lost 95% of its value since 1913 when the FEDERAL RESERVE was instituted.

It's time to discuss faith for a minute. Most people think of faith as a noun. If you simply believe in Jesus life / death and resurrection then you are guaranteed eternal life. Well, those people healing the sick and casting out demons in Jesus holy name BELIEVED didn't they ? I think faith is a verb, an action word wherein we live our lives as insructed by God/Jesus. God told us not to do usury. God told us to use equal weights and measures (which would include gold or silver money), but these NOTES we're using are financed at interest (usury) and through inflation and deflation (not equal weights or measures) are destroying America. Before I get into the SOCIAL(IST) SECURITY INSURANCE SYSTEM let me say I know you paid into it, so did I, so what ! This system asks you to trust man (Uncle Sambo) for your needs in old age. Keep in mind that this system didn't exist until 1935. Right here I need to digress for a moment. The united States was deemed bankrupt in 1933 just 20 years after the institution of the Federal Reserve, and on March 5, 1933 Roosevelt made the bankruptcy official by confiscating the nation's gold.

http://www.24hgold.com/english/c...tributor=Charleston+Voice

Part of Roosevelt's "NEW DEAL" was socialist security. Americans lined up for it and became socialists leaving behind their republican form of government. If you think the monetary problems we have are huge an even larger problem has occurred. We lost our constitution because of our monetary policies. There's a maxim in international law that basically states "the medium of exchange dictates the relevant law." What this means in practical terms is that when we conduct business utilizing Federal Reserve Notes, Credit Cards, Checks, Drafts, and etc., which are negotiable debt instruments otherwise known as COMMERCIAL INSTRUMENTS we are subject to COMMERCIAL LAW. This eliminates the constitution, common law and God's law. Is it satanic ? You betcha !!!!! Think about it you old geezers (I'm one too - hahaha) the FEDS never talked about taking our guns or making us get a permit or license to do anything before the 1933 Bankruptcy and Roosevelt's NEW SOCIALIST DEAL.

Today, Dave, we sit around at the coffee shop and gripe about the machinations of the FEDERAL government because most of us wonder where we lost America to the abuses oozing out of D.C. (The District of Criminals). The truth is, Dave, we let it happen too. A very trusting America allowed the bankers takeover which was orchestrated by the colluding politicians in semi-secret. Numerous folks have tried desparately to warn their fellow Americans but no one listened. Congressman McFadden, a former banker spoke out against the FEDERAL RESERVE fraud and they murdered him. Please read the following on WIKI:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden

Congressman Charles Lindbergh, (the flyers dad) said: "This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Woodrow Wilson signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."[6] Also quoted as:

"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized, the people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill."[citation needed] "A radical is one who speaks the truth."[6] "The Aldrich Plan is the Wall Street Plan. It means another panic, if necessary, to intimidate the people. Aldrich, paid by the government to represent the people, proposes a plan for the trusts instead." - The Aldrich Plan (History of central banking in the United States) was a forerunner to that which spawned the Federal Reserve.[citation needed] "To cause high prices, all the Federal Reserve Board will do will be to lower the rediscount rate..., producing an expansion of credit and a rising stock market; then when ... business men are adjusted to these conditions, it can check ... prosperity in mid career by arbitrarily raising the rate of interest. It can cause the pendulum of a rising and falling market to swing gently back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause violent fluctuations by a greater rate variation and in either case it will possess inside information as to financial conditions and advance knowledge of the coming change, either up or down. This is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any Government that ever existed. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. They know in advance when to create panics to their advantage, They also know when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well for them when they control finance."[7] I'll close this message by asking you to share this with everyone that you sent the aforementioned e-mail to. It's easy enough to cast blame on others but the undeniable truth is we have all shared equally in the acceptance of the criminal behavior wielded by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and the bankers that OWN them and also own most of us. Many refuse to believe that such a wicked paradigm shift could occur in America. And, to them I say it already has occurred and the ONLY WAY TO RETURN TO THE AMERICA WE ALL LOVE is to admit we have a problem and withdraw all support and participation in their criminal endeavor. There's a Bible passage, LUKE 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so:

The Socialist Security System calls you the beneficiary and Uncle Sambo the BENEFACTOR. But ye shall not be so.

It's truly time for all of us calling ourselves Christians to act like it. There's nothing Godly or American coming out of D.C. and I suggest that we get on our knees and ask our heavenly Father to give us our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses and mean it. I opted out of this criminal system nearly 30 years ago because I finally came to the conclusion that the SSN was likely the "MARK" of the Beast (the number of a man) or its precursor. [You better have it to buy or sell].

Regardless of the consequences of my decision, for me personally, I'm trusting God/Jesus rather than the bankers and their political puppets.

Doug Scheidt December 2, 2013 ... 100 years after the implementation of the FEDERAL RESERVE SATANIC SYSTEM.


Poster Comment:

The following e-mail was forwarded to me by an ex-city council guy and was also sent to all public officials - above is my response.

Gerry

Matt7:KJV

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This requires no comment, other than "welcome aboard!"

The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday. If all of us “old farts” have all of the money, then let us try to elect someone who might be near honest and not be after feathering their own nests.

They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are "Baby Boomers" getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshiped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration.

In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age. Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand experience. We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.

We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II, fought in Korea and Vietnam. We can quote The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangled Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America.

Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the "Hope and Change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and Lies."

You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or "Climbing the Social Ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the "Great Lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the 'Kool-Aid.' Now you're paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom.

This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2014 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we're going, and in 2014 we're going to the polls by the millions.

This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the People" and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the "Grey-Haired Brigade."

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#39. To: GreyLmist (#37)

Patriot slackers who've gone AWOL when they should be standing their ground as guards against the "authoritarian" mirages of those who move to undermine our Republic

Bullshit ! Counting (1-100) patriot slackers have to defend themselves in court and seldom, if ever does the CON-job assist their defense because the COURTS (not me) say it's frivolous, ridiculous, and irrelevant.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   18:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: GreyLmist (#38)

Like Ron Paul couldn't have become a millionaire doctor more easily and safely

He should have stayed a doctor. Whenever he debated the other contestants he sounded like a stuttering whimp. Many overlooked his pensive demeanor because they felt like they understood his position on numerous issues. That being said, mainstream voters laughed at him because he sounds like a sissy and they never even considered the issues.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   18:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: noone222 (#40)

Had Ron the presence of Jesse or Jim, we may have had a better outcome.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-05   18:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Lod (#41)

Had Ron the presence of Jesse or Jim, we may have had a better outcome.

I agree, but at the same time I see the entire FEDERAL Bureaucracy as a sham/fraud. The engineers of politics are shrewd.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   19:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: noone222 (#35) (Edited)

Davy Jones -- gone but not forgot. Thanks for the nostalgic memorabilia. Back to your post:

She was there and he was there ... and he had withdrawn BEFORE a vote was taken.

Another thing, it was reported earlier in the day that he had withdrawn and I heard it on the radio. At that moment I thought of all the money she'd spent, had driven to Houston, rented a room, and attended the convention, for nothing.

It made me sick and so does your never ending support of that old con man. You're a believer in fairytales.

Since we've gone this far, the 2nd time around he didn't have the balls to bring his people to the forefront in Minnesota, choosing to meet with his people at a different location AWAY FROM THE ACTION. Politics is dirty business, and Ron Paul is as dirty as any of the other FEDERAL criminals.

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

So, what you've essentially said above is that you weren't there yourself but still faithfully believe without supporting evidence (other than the secondhand fairytale reports you heard broadcast by media tricksters) that your roomie wasn't snookered or snookering you. Well, I don't know what else to say right now to make you feel better about my never ending support of Ron Paul, as I'd rather you did. I reckon the best thing for me to do about that is to soon get back to condensing my Ron Paul election-history post-project down to one portable link for untangling the chronic misperceptions of his foes.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   19:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GreyLmist (#43)

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

No, I meant exactly what I said.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   20:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: noone222 (#39)

#39: patriot slackers have to defend themselves in court and seldom, if ever does the CON-job assist their defense because the COURTS (not me) say it's frivolous, ridiculous, and irrelevant.

It's not the Constitution that doesn't assist to defend Patriots. That problem is largely due to the negligence of others -- like the NRA, for instance -- that refuse to reject and denounce the Unconstitutional actions of the courts and sundry guv-posturers as illegitimate and choose to act instead as their enablers.

#40: mainstream voters [...] never even considered the issues.

They shouldn't be counted as mainstream voters of America's Republic, imo, but interlopers from the mainstream of alien forces assailing it.

#42: I see the entire FEDERAL Bureaucracy as a sham/fraud.

I think we can call that a point of common ground to advance from in the right direction more ameniably because I, too, think that what's been wrongfully mass-marketed as our FEDERAL Bureaucracy is actually an UnAmerican sham/fraud from an invading, hostile dimension.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   20:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: noone222 (#44) (Edited)

No, I meant exactly what I said.

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida Convention. Sorry if I was mistaken about your comment. However, I haven't listened to the entire 1/2 hour video yet but am still not understanding how a February 2012 Ron Paul rally in St. Cloud, MN, long before the FL Republican convention in September, was somehow considered by you as dodging the 2008 action. Maybe you meant to post a different video?? I've never heard it suggested that McCain, Romney, et al., should have held their campaign rallies in closer conjunction with Ron Paul's to be viewed esteemably enough to pass muster as other than contemptible cowards. Btw, I differ with the opening speaker in that video because I think the Constitution's Champion, Ron Paul, is even better in some ways than a Thomas Jefferson of our time.

Thomas Jefferson despotic tree-hugger quote, believe it or not:

“I wish I was a despot that I might save the noble, the beautiful trees that are daily falling sacrifice to the cupidity of their owners, or the necessity of the poor. The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder.”

"...or the necessity of the poor." Rather callous of him, I'd say, considering how much trees were needed back then to keep people from freezing and adequately sheltered.

Edited for various paragraphical revisions + for formatting and apostrophe correction.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   21:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GreyLmist (#38)

Fact remains, olde Ron became a millionaire AS A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN.

Founding Fathers said this...Those seeking to SERVE the country, "would serve for a season, then return home to resume their normal life".

That can be found in the two volumes of Madisons notes taken during the Constitutional Convention.

On this forum I have had one other person say they had read them.

I borrowed them from Library of Congress about fifty years or more ago.

Why??? I wanted to see the actual words and thoughts expressed by those men,without having anyone tell me, WHAT THEY REALLY SAID.

PS. Franklins Mother was a Grandmother to me, about three or four times removed. My brain is faulty on that. Her name was Abiah Folger, sister to Peter.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-05   22:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: noone222 (#46)

Re: the re-drafts at #46

Just saying, no problemo if you did perchance mean to post a different video. I can empathize with having done that before when posting hastily. Luckily for me, the Edit window was still open, iirc.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   22:56:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#47) (Edited)

Fact remains, olde Ron became a millionaire AS A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN.

I have no idea what his financial bracket was prior to his political service -- millionaire before that or not -- and likely neither do you. I suspect you are a slighted heir of the Folgers coffee company fortune and somewhat anguished from that but would prefer not to discuss that possibility here in this thread.

I am, though, duly impressed with your close connection to our Founders and especially with your interest in Madison: aka Founding Father of our Constitution. Can't claim to be as well read about his writings as you but this is one of my favorite quotes by him from the Federalist Papers:

"An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one which should not only be founded on free principles, but in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among several bodies of magistracy, as that no one could transcend their legal limits, without being effectually checked and restrained by the others"

Goes well, I think, with these quotes from Thomas Jefferson [bracketed inserts therein by me]:

“A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the highest virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest."

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will [We the People of the Constitution] within [Constitutional] limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will"

See also: Post #2 of 4um Title: "The United States Council of Censure for Constitutionality" for more on Madison's noted commentary and the Pennsylvania model-example of checks and balances on guvs run amuck.

Edited for spelling and formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-06   0:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GreyLmist (#49)

Fact remains, olde Ron became a millionaire AS A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN.

I have no idea what his financial bracket was prior to his political service -- millionaire before that or not -- and likely neither do you

Uhhh, it is public.

Ron ran for Congress eleven times, his disclosures were all on record.

His stock holdings were mostly in mining companies. Actually, Ron is near the bottom in wealth, as many of the politicians are worth hundreds of millions. Myself, I tend to believe that anyone worth hundreds of millions does not really have my personal interest at heart. I know, bad olde Cynic.

I was never impressed being a scraggly limb off of the trees of several of the founding Fathers. I am happy to have survived, never been in jail, tried to do what was right.

Long ago Folgers was bought out by Jews. Same with Macys. Richard Macy was on my limb, founded Macys in NYC because the rest of the family were sailors and he hated the sea. Perhaps you have wondered why stores price many articles at dollars plus 99 cents?

Richard Macy originated that. In his first store, he wore an apron with pockets of change, so that the clerks would have to come to him for change, that way there was less chance of thievery.

Joseph and John Warren were two others. John founded Harvard medical school.

There were 12 families that purchased Nantucket Island from the Indians. Their offspring was the most enterprising group I have ever read about.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-06   4:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#50)

Perhaps you have wondered why stores price many articles at dollars plus 99 cents?

Indeed I have! -- on account of my dad joking around at times about so many things priced at $19.95/.99 :)

Interesting historical insights. Thanks for sharing those from ye olde treasury trove.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-06   5:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GreyLmist (#46)

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida

You're right.

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-06   6:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: GreyLmist (#37) (Edited)

The existence of the Constitution isn't in question when its opponents and the otherwise unaffiliated ignore and defy it.

I'd say it is in question especially when judges even at the federal level ignore, defy or manipulate it. Military check points, drones, FEMA camps, forced healthcare, gun control, immigration, NSA warrantless spying, and on and on ad nauseum ... c'mon

EDIT: Here's the reality that must be dealt with in a practical sense. The courts were constructed to avoid bloodshed but when they fail to operate as intended (jury nullification etc.) another means must inevitably manifest, and it will. I know I've mentioned it before and I'll do it again here, I have been a witness to well prepared and accurate constitutional defenses, prepared by very intelligent beings (such as Larken Rose, the Freemen, Red Beckman to name just a few) that were not only ineffective they were scoffed at by the courts.

When one of us expends the immense amount of time and industry to formulate a court brief in order to claim what are alleged to be our inalienable rights (and they're obvious) only to be scoffed at and incarcerated in some cases, we need to ask why this is so. My experience has been that the commercial nature of our monetary system has usurped the constitution through contracts (implicit or explicit in nature) ironically because the constitution restrains government intervention with respect to them (contracts).

Not only that, we are treated like animals or worse by those entrusted with power to serve and protect OUR RIGHTS.

Can I ask if you have ever defended your rights in court, personally ? Do you have any idea how much time and effort must be expended to construct a legitimate (constitutional) defense that usually gets completely ignored in most instances. I can. And I can also say from experience that without a contract of some sort their prosecution falls apart unless the offense charged is actually penal / criminal with a victim other than THE STATE (common law crime).

The speed with which courts dispense with constitutional arguments is another indicator of its worth. Judges will often bellow out "don't bring up the constitution in this court or I'll find you in contempt" ... and that's because the constitution has been usurped.

One last remark: LeRoy Schweitzer was a friend of mine and a very smart man. The FEDS murdered him after they tortured him with electrical shock treatments at a FEDERAL Prison. The Branch Davidians including little children were slaughtered by the FEDS after being tortured and were ultimately burned to death, Sammy Weaver and his mother Vicki were gunned down in cold blood by the FEDS, good people all around this country are being dispossessed of their rightful property through eminent domain ... fuck the Constitution it's time for a real fight.

Double EDIT: I have to say right here that the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and the banksters that own it are ultimately responsible for the aforementioned atrocities. As long as the country continues allowing this genocidal institution to exist the atrocities will also continue. I can't help from getting angry when I constantly here people referencing the irrelevant constitution as some sort of protection from abuse because that's simply not the case. As a matter of fact the constitution is an impediment. Those having power will never be defeated by an election or a court case because they own those things (in the commercial U.S. INC. jurisdiction) too.

You and I agree with liberty but differ on how to achieve it. [I have to calm down before I break my keyboard).

Triple EDIT: I just had to say that I know there are folks that attend this forum that have also paid a heavy price for attempting to chain the perps down with the constitution. Not only that, everyone in the country is suffering the consequences of an illegitimate government, owing it very existence to the constitution, that has always colluded with the banks for the sole purpose of stealing the country away from its true owners and shedding the children's blood to do so. Elections have no bearing on my inalienable rights. Tolerance is not a good thing.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-06   6:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: noone222, Cynicom (#52)

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

Not actively campaigning isn't the equivalent of a withdrawl and, unlike others, he stayed in the races even though he didn't have the delegate counts needed to win the nominations. All of which apparently means nothing to some of the very same people who would probably call it unfair or even a violation of their voting rights if third party candidates were eliminated as options because they couldn't make a big enough spending "splash". In times past, the most a candidate could do was take a train ride to a State (if there happened to be a railroad available in that area) and circulate some publications of their speeches. Our Constitution doesn't say that our elections are subject to the transportation and technological advancements of the times. Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate in all of American history who was expected to campaign everywhere the entire time, whether he could financially afford it or not, or he'd no longer be considered a candidate even by his supposed supporters -- as if internet access wasn't a good enough means of outreach. The worst of candidates were never, afaik, held to such unreasonable standards but this is how "Patriots" encourage more Champions of the Constitution?

You and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests. Campaigning against Ron Paul and funding contributions to him so that he could only achieve very few convention and general election votes officially, then blaming him instead of yourselves for Obama's re-selection is a cop out, as well as mindboggling. Yes, vote fraud should have been challenged more by the voters. Ron Paul would have been smeared by big media as a troublemaker and worse for pursuing that, as you know, I'm sure. In 2008, Ron Paul ran two campaigns -- one for President and one for Congress -- when it was clear that McCain would get the nomination. No one was prevented from voting for Ron Paul in the remaining Presidential Primaries/Caucuses, nor from trying to become a delegate for him because he "withrew" or didn't campaign in their district/State and that is a fact. I'm grateful that he was at least able to return to Congress then to continue representing the Constitution for America, not just Texas.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: GreyLmist (#54)

You and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests.

You're impossible.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-09   13:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: noone222 (#53)

Can I ask if you have ever defended your rights in court, personally ?

Yes but I was a lot younger then and my argument lacked Constitutional emphasis due to under-education about my rights at that time.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: noone222 (#55)

You're impossible.

You didn't say: incorrect. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: GreyLmist (#57)

You didn't say: incorrect. :)

You wouldn't know incorrect if it beat the shit out of ya ...

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-09   13:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: noone222 (#53) (Edited)

I don't know much about the Montana Freemen case but the last name of "Beam" associated with it is a big red flag, imo. I've posted extensively about that here and will look for a link to that "leaderless resistance" info later. I suspect that case was, along with Waco and Ruby Ridge, part of the Clinton admins' moves to depict Patriots and Militias as "extremists". Came across this defense argument in the case while researching it:

18 U.S.C. §§ 5, 8, and 7 explain the fact the United States is restricted to territorial geographical limits which relates only to ceded land. It does not mean all of the geographical land of the several States in the continental United States of America.

While that is largely true (apart from the aspect of Constitutional application for all of America's territory), where I think it fell off the mark is that a charge was mail fraud and the Postal service is a wholly Federal jurisdiction.

Edited last paragraph for formatting + apostrophe correction.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: noone222 (#58)

You wouldn't know incorrect if it beat the shit out of ya ...

I thought I was wrong once, but I found out later I was mistaken. lol Just joking. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: GreyLmist, noone222 (#54)

You........... and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests.

Now I feel bad again.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-09   15:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: randge (#13)

By 2016 the nation will be so disenchanted with the leftward lurch in policy that they'll be ready to troop to the right. That rightward tilt is to include a readiness for WAR which Radar seems to forestall at the moment, but for which he leaves the door wide open.

Isn't that exactly how Reagan got elected? They tidied up a bit (with the murder of the one man who could have derailed the plan, John Lennon) and Reagan won.

It may seem simplistic but our political elections are cyclical, with only two candidates from the same bankster-war-oil party. And no one ever bothers to inform the people that the two party system ain't really in the constitution as many seem to believe.

"Privileged information is the ambrosia of elitists. It gives them a sense of power, and the human ego loves to feed from the trough of power."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-12-09   16:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)

The big patterns leap out at you when you're able to step back a little and look at the big picture.

The boobs that constitute the mass of our fellows continue to be hypnotized by the shadow plays streamed out from the usual captive outlets.

Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.

randge  posted on  2013-12-09   18:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: GreyLmist (#60)

I don't know much about the Montana Freemen case but the last name of "Beam" associated with it is a big red flag, imo.

I haven't ever met the Mr. Beam you speak of, however I think he's a white supremacist writer. I may have even read some of his material at some time or another. If this is the same person all I can say is that the "Freemen" held classes related to government, law, and banking tyranny. Their focus was not on ethnicity though it was discussed. The Freemen were "separatists" (as am I) that had the ridiculous belief that they should be free to choose their friends or employees even if they were all white.

[Every clause of the Bill of Rights is abused in your face every day. To me, this is a BIG RED FLAG that says - What Constitution ? ]

I won't discuss with you anymore regarding the Con-sti-stupid because you imagine it exists while the reality and all activities of D.C. say is it doesn't exist in a fiat monetary society.

Again, and hopefully for the last time, the Constitution requires a monetary system with backing (silver/gold). Any variance destroys the Constitution for all practical purposes because it is an all or nothing document. [Notice how the politicians scream about Obama giving waivers to his friends to exempt them from the law, calling him a dictator (which the banks really are), while they remain silent about the waiver given the bankers to create our currency at interest and by doing so USURPING or CIRCUMVENTING the CON - sti - stupid.

Truth be told, we are free to choose life in a democratic republic based upon the Constitution, or the SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY under commercial law and owned by the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. 99% have chosen a form of socialism that's really not very democratic at this time.

where I think it fell off the mark is that a charge was mail fraud and the Postal service is a wholly Federal jurisdiction.

1st, anyone with a hornbook knowledge of police tactics knows that trumped up charges and lying cops are standard procedure. Second, mail fraud is alleged in almost all tax cases because the "charge" relegates the trial to a FEDERAL jurisdiction whether the "CHARGE" is true or not. (Try to recall the Branch Davidians being raided and Governor Ann Richards told they had a meth lab, or Randy Weaver being set up by the FEDs to modify a shotgun which shouldn't even be illegal under the CON-sti-stupid, which got his son and wife murdered, and resulted in a 3 million dollar award to Weaver for the wrong doing of the FEDERALES).

Here again, you tend to "believe" the liars that have you and the rest of us in an electronic cage. I want out while you want more yard time.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-10   4:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: noone222 (#64) (Edited)

Me: I don't know much about the Montana Freemen case but the last name of "Beam" associated with it is a big red flag, imo.

You: I haven't ever met the Mr. Beam you speak of, however I think he's a white supremacist writer. I may have even read some of his material at some time or another. If this is the same person all I can say is that the "Freemen" held classes related to government, law, and banking tyranny. Their focus was not on ethnicity though it was discussed. The Freemen were "separatists" (as am I) that had the ridiculous belief that they should be free to choose their friends or employees even if they were all white.

I think he's an agent provocateur and this is the 4um link I mentioned earlier for info about him:

Title: The Origins of Leaderless Resistance and Code-name PATCON for "Patriot Conspiracy"

Did some more research and it indicates that Louis Beam is not directly associated with the Montana Freemen case, as I had thought. However, since I can't find more than 12 names of those who were charged but the reported number is sometimes 14 and sometimes 23, I can't be sure yet that he's not like clandestinely involved somehow -- aside from his overt connection to the Jubilee Newspaper that covered the Montana Freemen story closely, which he reportedly writes for occasionally. [References: apfn and case docs at fourwinds10.net - web.archive.org: Charges].

1st, anyone with a hornbook knowledge of police tactics knows that trumped up charges and lying cops are standard procedure. Second, mail fraud is alleged in almost all tax cases because the "charge" relegates the trial to a FEDERAL jurisdiction whether the "CHARGE" is true or not. (Try to recall the Branch Davidians being raided and Governor Ann Richards told they had a meth lab, or Randy Weaver being set up by the FEDs to modify a shotgun which shouldn't even be illegal under the CON-sti-stupid, which got his son and wife murdered, and resulted in a 3 million dollar award to Weaver for the wrong doing of the FEDERALES).

Here again, you tend to "believe" the liars that have you and the rest of us in an electronic cage. I want out while you want more yard time.

Yard time? I'm not going to go into Part II of my rights-defense comedy of errors. I'll just say that I was long ago thrown out of jail then, instead of in. I tried to tell the LEOs to give the person their money back who paid my fine because it was my fine, not theirs, and I didn't want to pay it but they wouldn't listen to me. The way I see this topic, though, you are still stuck in the rapt audience of the Clinton era's cagey PATCON escapades, as if the bulk of their tragical Freemen newsreels aren't fraudulent baiting-lure productions, and I ain't.

This is what the Wikipedia link above on the Montana Freemen says about some of the charges:

The Freemen were known to produce their own very realistic counterfeit checks and money orders, sometimes ordering items and deliberately overpaying so they could demand refunds.

This huffingtonpost article says that they wrote "billions of dollars' worth of bad checks that came to be known as 'Schweitzer checks.'" Also, that Leroy "Schweitzer is a cousin of current Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat." Sort of an intriguing insiderish track there in the Clintonian schematics, I'd say.

I'm not under the impression that the Federales don't ever trump up charges against defendants but neither am I under the impression that all of the charges in that case were trumped up; unless it was an entirely staged drama for a staged show trial to pressurize conditions here for any genuinely Patriot-minded Americans -- in which case, all of the charges would be false. If you do think all of the charges were trumped up, I'd like to know why.

Edited for apostrophe correction and spacing.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   10:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: noone222 (#64) (Edited)

I won't discuss with you anymore regarding the Con-sti-stupid because you imagine it exists while the reality and all activities of D.C. say is it doesn't exist in a fiat monetary society.

Again, and hopefully for the last time, the Constitution requires a monetary system with backing (silver/gold). Any variance destroys the Constitution for all practical purposes because it is an all or nothing document.

:( Why am I being punished because they're Constitution lawbreakers? I say give them all of their money back and issue new money that's Constitutionally sound for our independent use, not theirs. Seems simple enough to me.

[Notice how the politicians scream about Obama giving waivers to his friends to exempt them from the law, calling him a dictator (which the banks really are), while they remain silent about the waiver given the bankers to create our currency at interest and by doing so USURPING or CIRCUMVENTING the CON - sti - stupid.

Truth be told, we are free to choose life in a democratic republic based upon the Constitution, or the SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY under commercial law and owned by the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. 99% have chosen a form of socialism that's really not very democratic at this time.

Again, you are overlooking those who don't really have much choice unless we can arrange for better alternatives...the orphaned, the elderly, the sick, the handicapped, the underemployed, the unemployed, the destitute, the homeless.

Edited to expand last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   11:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: noone222 (#66)

Why am I being punished because they're Constitution lawbreakers?

The more I think about that, the more you're reminding me of that judge I errantly presumed had the same basic concept about my inherent rights that I did. So, I'm going to tell you now the same thing I told him: I didn't commit a crime and I'm not paying any fine because somebody else did. He didn't change his decision and you might not either but I'm asking anyway on what grounds you base your complaints about the money system, or anything else the .guv scalawags do or not anarchically, if you really think the Constitution doesn't exist because they defiantly act like it doesn't.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   12:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: GreyLmist (#67)

Why am I being punished because they're Constitution lawbreakers?

You're not being punished. You're reaping what you sew. You use the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and the SOCIALIST SECURITY SYSTEM amongst other systems that YOU JOINED or APPLIED for.

You want the judges to alter the law for you. You want to claim the protections afforded under the Constitution while you operate your entire life outside of it. The Constitution guarantees that the government will not inhibit contracts. You have contractual agreements with banking institutions and others which cause you to forfeit constitutional protections that aren't agreed upon in the contracts you've agreed to. The judges are without choice because they're required to follow the LAW.

There is a Constitution, it's just that hardly anyone qualifies for its protection because they've opted to act in an environment where no constitution exists.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-11   15:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: GreyLmist (#66)

Again, you are overlooking those who don't really have much choice unless we can arrange for better alternatives...the orphaned, the elderly, the sick, the handicapped, the underemployed, the unemployed, the destitute, the homeless.

These that don't really have much of a choice may need a parental type of entity to run their lives for them ... if this is the case then they're where they belong but unfortunately it's not in the Constitutional united States of America ... it's the nanny state that they reside in.

Being free isn't for babies or those incapable of operating free of government assistance. No one is forced to join the Socialist Security System or use the credit offered by the banks through the FEDERAL RESERVE, it's your freaking choice.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-11   15:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: GreyLmist (#67)

I didn't commit a crime and I'm not paying any fine because somebody else did. He didn't change his decision

If this "crime" was a traffic violation of some sort all I need to know is if you APPLIED FOR A DRIVER LICENSE ? If so, you've already agreed to be guilty. Whenever you sign for a document under penalty of perjury you make the judge's job simple. You swore that you were a UNITED STATES CITIZEN, it's O.V.E.R.

I'd think you'd eventually get it ... you just said yourself that the judge seemed to be on the same page as you but then entered a judgment against you. The judge likely really understands the law, you don't.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-11   15:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: GreyLmist (#65)

Further debate or dialogue related to the Freemen is unnecessary since you don't know much about them. Gerry Spence stated on national television that the Freemen hadn't done anything that doesn't occur every day on Wall Street.

The "checks" being mentioned were actually called warrants (I have some) and they were drafted based upon liens perfected by the freemen against the treasury. After the liens were perfected they used them 1st to buy stamps (inconsequental amount of money) and waited until the "warrant" for the stamps had cleared before they picked up their stamps. Next, they paid some people's tax debts. The formula they used to repay the tax debt was to send twice the amount allegedly owed. They received back from the IRS a check for the over payment and the one I saw myself was for $14,000.00.

So, after that, they wrote drafts for amounts within their lien balance. The Federal Government had opened a "Special Lien Account" for the Freemen to use for drafting their warrants against. This account was approved by a FEDERAL JUDGE.

If anything, they were set up. (The International Bankers had them incarcerated and murdered in LeRoy's case).

I was never a member though I did attend their classes. At the time I didn't completely understand some of the information. I understand it a lot better today.

Again, I don't know this guy "Beam" ... I'm fairly certain that I have read some of his material without being overly impressed by it or I would remember. I do prefer living and doing business with white people because they're less trouble than most others. I don't hate anyone or any race though it's obvious some are more trouble than they're worth and others are even worse. Does this make me a racist ? If it does, I'm OK with it.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-11   15:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: noone222 (#70)

If this "crime" was a traffic violation of some sort all I need to know is if you APPLIED FOR A DRIVER LICENSE ? If so, you've already agreed to be guilty. Whenever you sign for a document under penalty of perjury you make the judge's job simple.

No, it wasn't traffic court. It was a 2A Constitutional issue.

I'd think you'd eventually get it ... you just said yourself that the judge seemed to be on the same page as you but then entered a judgment against you. The judge likely really understands the law, you don't.

No, I presumed he was on the same page -- that, being a judge, he understood Constitutional law and my rights without having to be reminded of those things. Oops. Lurnt the hard way not to take that for granted.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   12:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: noone222 (#68) (Edited)

You want the judges to alter the law for you.

I want them to stop transgressing Constitutional law with their alterations.

You want to claim the protections afforded under the Constitution while you operate your entire life outside of it. The Constitution guarantees that the government will not inhibit contracts. You have contractual agreements with banking institutions and others which cause you to forfeit constitutional protections that aren't agreed upon in the contracts you've agreed to. The judges are without choice because they're required to follow the LAW.

Evidently, you don't contractually consider the Constitution as being the superseding Party of the First Part but I do and no contractors or judges are exempt from its terms. In fact, institutions are further subject to Congressional regulations.

There is a Constitution, it's just that hardly anyone qualifies for its protection because they've opted to act in an environment where no constitution exists.

Like "Free Speech Zones" and "Constitution Free Zones" 100 miles in from our borders? I have to disagree. Am thinking, though, that it would be a good thing if we established some Constitutional Embassies in every State.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   12:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: noone222 (#69)

These that don't really have much of a choice may need a parental type of entity to run their lives for them ... if this is the case then they're where they belong but unfortunately it's not in the Constitutional united States of America ... it's the nanny state that they reside in.

Being free isn't for babies or those incapable of operating free of government assistance. No one is forced to join the Socialist Security System or use the credit offered by the banks through the FEDERAL RESERVE, it's your freaking choice.

From various websearch sources:

Kafkaesque

refers to [the author Franz Kafka and] the style with which he wrote his books (which in his dying wish asked for to be burned).

reminiscent of the nightmarish dehumanized world portrayed in the novels of Franz Kafka, the Czech novelist (1883-1924)

not realistic; "unrealistic expectations";

characterized by surreal distortion and a sense of impending danger

Marked by a senseless, disorienting, often menacing complexity. Kafkaesque bureaucracies

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   13:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: GreyLmist (#72)

being a judge, he understood Constitutional law and my rights without having to be reminded of those things.

He understood that you are a U.S. (INC.) citizen without constitutional protections ... only privileges.

And he understood the constitution too.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-12   13:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: GreyLmist (#73)

Evidently, you don't contractually consider the Constitution as being the superseding Party of the First Part but I do and no contractors or judges are exempt from its terms. In fact, institutions are further subject to Congressional regulations.

You were not a signatory and therefore you cannot be a party to the Constitution.

All of the nonsense about free speech zones and etc., is applicable to everyone that has some nexus agreement of any sort that ties them to the FED Govt.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-12   13:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: noone222 (#71)

Further debate or dialogue related to the Freemen is unnecessary since you don't know much about them.

You at #68: "You're not being punished. You're reaping what you sew. You use the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM ..."

I know enough to see that they used the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM. But I guess this means that you don't want to discuss that in their case, or them reaping what they sewed because of it, cuz you think that was different and they're special enough to get a double standard type waiver from you about it. In closing then, I'll just post this here conflicting apfn.net correspondence between an alleged Freeman and an author about them with the pseudonym there of Oceania Investigations:

Alleged Montana Freeman: Allow me to introduce myself. My name is John Richard Hance. I am one of three Hances who showed up in Montana from North Carolina about two weeks before the FBI, BATF, etc. showed up to kidnap LeRoy and Dan. I stayed on as a guest at the ranch throughout the entire seige, was subsequently kidnapped along with everyone there on June 13, 1996. I went through the phoney court shenanigans for two long years and was then sent to a Federal Correctional Institution for another three years and two months. I am out and getting back to my shattered life.

I wanted to comment on some of the information on your website, if you will give me a few minutes of your time to do so. I have read J. Patrick Shannan's book on what happened in Montana, and first I want to state that among the thousands of articles, books, reports, testimonies, etc. that I have read and heard his came the closest to capturing the truth, in its purest form, of what took place "behind the scenes".

But for some reaon J. Patrick Shannan claimed to have interviewed "all 23 Freemen" in order to gain accuracy in what he wrote. The thing is, I never spoke to the man in all the time I spent in Montana at Justus township, in Yellowstone county jail, or in any of the Federal facilities I was held in. I have never heard his voice, and I never wrote him any letters of any kind. In fact, I think Patrick only spoke with two or three of the men while they were at Yellowstone county jail. So I really don't know why he would make such a claim, except that perhaps he thought it would look good to prospective readers and might even help to sell a few more of his books. Either way, in light of the fact that his was the best, truest account of what happened to us all I never spoke up to rebut this blatantly false claim. I mention it now to you just so that there is some record that J. Patrick Shannan did indeed lie in his book about that point.

Oceania Investigations: I was delighted, of course, that you found my book to be "closest to the truth" but then disappointed that you accuse me of a fabrication.

Actually, I don't remember ever claiming that I talked to "all 23 Freemen," and I wish you would tell me on what page you found it. On page four, I say I interviewed "several" on June 22-23rd, which was a total of six, as I remember. Earlier I had spoken with Leroy and Dan a couple of times in person and several times on the phone from the Freedom Center, which makes a grand total of eight Freemen interviewed.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   13:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: noone222 (#75) (Edited)

He understood that you are a U.S. (INC.) citizen without constitutional protections ... only privileges.

Don't confuse me with the hallucinatory "American Free Press" associate, Lisa Giuliani, who thinks building our capitol city made us citizens of a corporation.

And he understood the constitution too.

I don't think he even understood that it wasn't Traffic Court, since he acted like he could have me parked in "receivership" until I decided to pay the money he demanded, which I never did myself and would've had it returned to the payor if I could have.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   14:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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