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Title: Properly Observing Pearl Harbor Day
Source: Rebellion Blog
URL Source: http://www.lsrebellion.blogspot.com/
Published: Dec 7, 2013
Author: Bernhard Thuersam
Post Date: 2013-12-07 12:31:51 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 306
Comments: 14

The sacrifices of those who served in the American military in December, 1941 should be recounted often for us all to ponder and appreciate and the 3000 Americans who died at Pearl Harbor should not have perished in vain. The sincerest memorial to those who fought and died in this tragedy (and others) is to analyze and discuss the multitude of reasons why it happened, and how do we ensure that American servicemen are not knowingly put in harm’s way for political purposes ever again. As there is far too much information available today for the surprise attack myth to survive scrutiny, and thanks to the Freedom of Information Act and declassification of hundreds of thousands of decoded Japanese messages, we can now get a more clear picture of how events unfolded in 1941.

The myth reported by court historians and the media is that the US was minding its own business until the Japanese launched an unprovoked attack at Pearl Harbor, thereby dragging a reluctant US into a world struggle. In reality, the US under FDR had been deeply involved in Far Eastern affairs for some time, and those policies actually provoked the Japanese attack.

As Oliver Lyttleton, British Minister of Production stated in 1944….”Japan was provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty to say that America was forced into the War.”

After FDR’s numerous provocations toward Germany without retaliation (while the US was neutral) he switched his focus to Japan and had assistance with Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes, who stated in October 1941 that “for a long time I have believed that our best entrance into the war would be by way of Japan”. And as early as January 27th, 1941, US Ambassador to Japan in Tokyo, Joseph C. Grew noted in his diary that...”there is a lot of talk around town to the effect that the Japanese, in case of a break with the US, are planning to go all out in a surprise mass attack on Pearl Harbor. Of course, I informed our government.”

Even Admiral Ernest J. King wrote a prescient report on 31 March 1941 that predicted a surprise Japanese dawn air attack on Hawaii as the opening of hostilities. The US had prepared for a Japanese-American conflict since 1906 with “War Plan Orange” which predicted the Philippines as the expected target, attacked by surprise as the Japanese were notorious for. By early 1940 Claire Chennault, the American airman hired by the Chinese, was urging General Hap Arnold and Roosevelt to provide bombers with which to firebomb Japanese cities in retaliation for their attacks on China.

While we cannot excuse Japan’s aggressiveness in Asia in the 1930’s, our government continually provoked the Japanese by freezing assets in the US, closing the Panama Canal to her shipping and progressively reducing exports to Japan until it became an all-out embargo along with Britain’s. The Philippines, by 1941 were reinforced to the point of being the strongest US overseas base with 120,000 troops and the Philippine Army had been called into service by FDR. General MacArthur had 74 medium and heavy bombers along with 175 fighters that included the new B-17’s and P-40E’s with which to attack or defend with. The mobilization of troops and munitions has always been recognized as preparation for attack and we thus assumed this posture to the Japanese.

We then implied military threats to Tokyo if it did not alter its Asian policies and on 26 November 1941, FDR issued an ultimatum that Japan withdraw all military forces from China and Indochina as well as break its treaty with Germany and Italy. The day before the 26 November ultimatum was sent , Secretary of War Stimson wrote in his Diary that “the question was how we should maneuver them (the Japanese) into the position of firing the first shot”. ((edit-shades of Abraham Lincoln and Fort Sumter!!)) The bait offered was our Pacific fleet.

In 1940, Admiral J.O. Richardson, the commander of the Pacific Fleet flew to Washington to protest FDR’s decision to base the fleet in Hawaii instead of its normal berthing on the US west coast. His concern was that Pearl Harbor was vulnerable to attack, was difficult to defend against torpedo planes, lacked fuel supplies and dry docks. Richardson came away from his meeting with FDR “with the impression that, despite his spoken word, the President was fully determined to put the US into the war if Great Britain could hold out until he was reelected.”

Richardson was summarily relieved of command and replaced with Admiral Kimmel, who was still concerned about Pearl Harbor’s vulnerability, but did not challenge FDR.

Also to be considered was the April, 1941 ABD Agreement FDR concluded with the British and Dutch in Indochina that committed US troops to war if the Dutch East Indies were invaded by the Japanese. Add to this the 1940 $25 million loan and Lend-Lease aid provided to China. The Dutch and British were of course eager for US forces to protect their Far Eastern colonial empires from the Japanese while their military was busy in a European war. And FDR’s dilemma was his 1940 election pledge of non-intervention (unless attacked) to the American people and the US Constitution, which allowed only Congress authority to declare war.

One of the most revealing elements in FDR’s beforehand knowledge of Japan’s intentions was our breaking of the Japanese diplomatic and naval operations codes as early as mid-1939. Copies of all deciphered Japanese messages were delivered to Roosevelt and the Secretaries of War, State and Navy, as well as Army Chief of Staff Marshall and Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Harold Stark. With no deciphering machines in Pearl Harbor, although 3 machines went to Britain, the commanders in Pearl Harbor were left completely dependent upon Washington for information. It must be understood that with this deciphered information, our government officials could not have been better informed had they had seats in the Japanese war council.

It is in this bare political light that Pearl Harbor should be examined and judged for historical perspective. Our military should not be a pawn used by presidents to initiate war and this is the basic reason the Founders deliberated extensively on the establishment of a standing army which might be used as such. As nothing happens in a vacuum and the post-World War One US Neutrality Acts were in place to avoid the political machinations that dragged us into that conflict, FDR’s very steady erosion of US neutrality and secret agreements led to that unnecessary loss of brave American servicemen. We hopefully have learned from this.


Poster Comment:

Lots of parallels to our provoking Iran today (freezing assets, embargoes, etc.)

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#1. To: X-15, 4 (#0)

Lots of parallels to our provoking Iran today (freezing assets, embargoes, etc.)

And this in current events:

China’s ADIZ Declaration Aiming for Island Chain Marine Strategy

Until recently, China focused on the Diaoyudao Islands and the oil and gas fields in the East China Sea. However, according to the magazine, it has shifted its focus to the Miyako Strait and the First Island Chain by declaring the ADIZ. If the Chinese navy takes possession of the strait, it can navigate beyond the First Island Chain without any interference from Japan to aim for the Second Island Chain of Saipan, Guam and Indonesia.

Rivero's comment Dec 03, 2013 at whatreallyhappened.com: IF this report is true, the geopolitical implications are both intense and grave for the US government.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-10   13:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GreyLmist (#1)

We have and are opening olde bases, Saipan, Tinian, Guam, Palua and Darwin.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-10   13:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15, 4 (#0)

Attack at Dawn-Pearl Harbor - 9 minute 11 second YouTube video

First 17 seconds: In 1941, America's Pacific Naval Fleet was Japan's major obstacle to the domination of Asia and the Southeast Asian oil sorely needed by Japan.

Hollywoodesque film footage: 5:42 a man falls; 5:46 black gunner

Pearl Harbor: Hawaii Was Surprised; FDR Was Not - thenewamerican.com

During World War II's early days, the president offered numerous provocations to Germany: freezing its assets; shipping 50 destroyers to Britain; and depth- charging U-boats. The Germans did not retaliate, however. They knew America's entry into World War I had shifted the balance of power against them, and they shunned a repeat of that scenario. FDR therefore switched his focus to Japan.

Japan had signed a mutual defense pact with Germany and Italy (the Tripartite Treaty). Roosevelt knew that if Japan went to war with the United States, Germany and Italy would be compelled to declare war on America — thus entangling us in the European conflict by the back door. As Harold Ickes, secretary of the Interior, said in October 1941: "For a long time I have believed that our best entrance into the war would be by way of Japan." [My note: Collusion between FDR and Japan's emperor, perhaps, to bring America into the European theatre of war too through Japan's treaty with Germany and Italy.]

The Navy has traditionally followed the rule that, when international relations are critical, the fleet puts to sea. That is exactly what Admiral Kimmel did. Aware that U.S.-Japanese relations were deteriorating, he sent 46 warships safely into the North Pacific in late November 1941 — without notifying Washington. He even ordered the fleet to conduct a mock air raid on Pearl Harbor, clairvoyantly selecting the same launch site Admiral Yamamoto chose two weeks later.

When the White House learned of Kimmel's move it countermanded his orders and ordered all ships returned to dock, using the dubious excuse that Kimmel's action might provoke the Japanese. Washington knew that if the two fleets met at sea, and engaged each other, there might be questions about who fired the first shot.

the Navy Department received a request from Stimson for a list of the whereabouts of all ships in the Pacific.

At 6:15 of the above Pearl Harbor Attack video: Unbeknownst to the Japanese [My note: and maybe FDR too?], the United States carriers and a single battleship are not in port.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-10   13:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#2)

We have and are opening olde bases, Saipan, Tinian, Guam, Palua and Darwin.

"Why would China subsidize and finance a trillion-dollar American war in Iraq and accept printed paper money, diluted in value by inflation, as its repayment?" - newsmax.com article

What is your view on that question?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   13:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#3)

[My note: Collusion between FDR and Japan's emperor, perhaps, to bring America into the European theatre of war too through Japan's treaty with Germany and Italy.]

Embassy of Japan in Washington, D.C. - Wikipedia

The embassy was designed by the U.S. firm of Delano & Aldrich (one of whose principals was William Adams Delano, a distant relative of President Franklin D. Roosevelt). Emperor Hirohito allegedly approved the design personally.[4] The United States Commission of Fine Arts approved the design of the building on September 16, 1930.[5]

What became of the Japanese embassy in Washington during World War 2? - wiki.answers.com

Much of the non-essential Japanese Embassy staff began to clear out on Dec 4, 1941. Those who remained behind were interned at Hot Springs VA until June 1942, whereupon they were exchanged for American diplomatic personnel trapped in Tokyo when hostilities broke out.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   13:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GreyLmist (#5)

Interesting factoids - thanks for the links.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-11   13:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GreyLmist (#4)

What is your view on that question?

To survive, China must export manufactured goods to the US and EU.

To manufacture goods China must import nearly all of their energy.

To feed their people, China must import feed grains and food stuffs.

Actually they are NOT subsidizing anyone. They are surviving.

Geo politics determines the destiny of any country.

The US is the worlds largest exporter of food by far, soon we will once again be exporting energy.

Geo politics.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-11   14:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7) (Edited)

soon we will once again be exporting energy.

I read a similar projection among some YouTube comments -- by a foreigner in the Fracking industry, I think:

"Europe may be over but america is now in the early stages of becoming a massive energy producer of shale and natural gas. It may not be a superpower much longer but that don't mean the US won't still be a major economic power of great importance to the world. Same for Canada another major economic energy producer."

"Ah, so you are CEO of a gas or oil corporation, and you'll become richer in the next years. Good for you :)"

"Uh no i'm actually a middle class african man who's in the US on a workers visa though i happen to be here cause of the shale gas boom going on. At one point shale natural gas made up only 1% of americas energy needs. In 4 yrs time it now makes up almost half. In 10 yrs time america will be almost completely energy indepedent and will no longer have to be slaves of the gulf oil monarchs and the petro dollar in order for its currency to be relivent. US is set toe be the largest producer of natural gas on the planet and will be able to base its currency off something the world is gonna be needing more of with each passing day."

Edited for formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   15:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GreyLmist (#8)

Local rag out today has a headline of this...

"Gas outlook: 100 more years"

Penn State U three years ago issued an estimate that we have 75 years worth of gas left.

Shell now says they have enough for 100.

Currently they have 51 rigs running 24/7.

Here in the hills, two counties have more millionaires than Philly and Pittsburgh combined. Shell and the other companies are building power plants and petro chemical factories.

The biggest holdup is NY state and Fed gov, holding up new pipelines, mostly to the northeast.

My local gas has declined 30 per cent in three years.

If you read financial pages, Buffett and his railroad are switching from diesel to LNG at half the cost. They are hauling oil from Dakota in tank cars.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-12   16:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#9)

Local rag out today has a headline of this...

"Gas outlook: 100 more years"

Does that outlook sound to you like 100 more years of militarily imposing the petrodollar standard around the world? I hope not.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   16:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: GreyLmist (#10)

Does that outlook sound to you like 100 more years of militarily imposing the petrodollar standard around the world? I hope not.

Certainly not.

Several other countries are striking oil and gas thanks to new technology.

India is one, China is not.

This places China in the same position as Japan was in 1941.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-12   17:41:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#11)

Me: Does that outlook sound to you like 100 more years of militarily imposing the petrodollar standard around the world? I hope not.

You: Certainly not.

Whew! Glad to hear that. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   18:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#6) (Edited)

Interesting factoids - thanks for the links.

You're welcome, Lod. On a USS Liberty sidenote, sort of:

Rear Admiral Isaac C. Kidd - Wikipedia

Isaac Campbell Kidd (March 26, 1884 – December 7, 1941) was an American Rear Admiral in the United States Navy who was killed on the bridge of the USS Arizona (BB-39) during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. He was the father of Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, Jr.. He was a posthumous recipient of his nation's highest military honor — the Medal of Honor. The highest ranking casualty at Pearl Harbor, he became the first U.S. Navy flag officer killed in action in World War II as well as the first killed in action against any foreign enemy.

During the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, Rear Admiral Kidd was the Commander of Battleship Division One and the Chief of Staff and Aide, to the Commander, Battleship Battle Force. At his first knowledge of the attack, he rushed to the bridge of USS Arizona, his flagship, and "courageously discharged his duties as Senior Officer Present Afloat until the Arizona blew up from a magazine explosion and a direct bomb hit on the bridge which resulted in the loss of his life."

Admiral Kidd's body was never recovered and to this day is still considered missing in action. U.S. Navy salvage divers located his Naval Academy ring fused to a bulkhead on the Arizona's bridge. A trunk containing his personal memorabilia was found in the wreck and sent to his widow. Rediscovered in the attic by his children, both the trunk and its contents are now displayed in the museum at the USS Arizona Memorial.

He was the father of Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, Jr., who "headed the court of inquiry into the USS Liberty incident". I suspect his handling/mishandling of that inquiry was influenced some by similarities to Pearl Harbor -- Capt. McGonagle on the bridge during the attack and so on. I think even the length of the attacks were similar.

Edited for highlighting + line 2 and to add the last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   2:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: All (#3) (Edited)

Opening post excerpt: In 1940, Admiral J.O. Richardson, the commander of the Pacific Fleet flew to Washington to protest FDR’s decision to base the fleet in Hawaii instead of its normal berthing on the US west coast. His concern was that Pearl Harbor was vulnerable to attack, was difficult to defend against torpedo planes, lacked fuel supplies and dry docks. Richardson came away from his meeting with FDR “with the impression that, despite his spoken word, the President was fully determined to put the US into the war if Great Britain could hold out until he was reelected.”

BBC: Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor - Best Definition - Full Length - 1 hour 10 minute video

This BBC documentary details U.S. foreknowledge of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Much more evidence has come to light since the 1989 - when this film was put together.

At 0:23-0:40, more than 2,000 killed - 4,000 casualties in less than 90 minutes

At 5:06-6:12, Charles Lindbergh speech, America First Committee speech:

"There are still interests in this country and abroad who will do their utmost to draw us into war. Against these interests, we must be continually on guard. ..."

At 6:12-9:22

Roosevelt still needed a clear cut act of aggression against America but, despite several clashes with the German Navy in the Atlantic, not one had been enough to provoke Congress into declaring war.

Half a world away from the fighting in Europe, America's Pacific Fleet lay in a sheltered inlet. Pearl Harbor was sited on Oahu, 2,000 miles out into the Pacific.

In late 1940, no one could have guessed that, within a year, this picturesque place would be the setting for that act of aggression which would take America into the second World War.

The fleet had been based inside Pearl Harbor since early in 1939 and Washington was aware of the dangers.

Naval Chiefs had pointed out sharply that war in the Pacific could come through a surprise attack on the fleet or the Naval base at Pearl Harbor.

The Commanders had been warned to be ready to meet such an attack but no one in the Navy could have guessed that such a move was being planned at that very moment.

In January 1941, the President chose Rear Admiral Husband E. Kimmel as the new Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet. To many, the appointment was a total surprise.

Kimmel's biggest problem was to keep his fleet intact. He knew that some of his aircraft carriers and battleships were earmarked for the Atlantic but he believed that such a move would give the appearance of weakening reslove in the Pacific.

The defense of Pearl Harbor itself was an Army responsibility. The new Army commander had been appoiinted a few weeks after Kimmel. General Walter Short found himself responsible for air patrols, as well as coastal batteries.

At 6:00, rescuing garments?; earlier clashes with Germans in Atlantic that Congress did not declare war

At 7:03, The Fleet had been based in Pearl Harbor since late in 1939 and Washington was aware of the dangers

At 9:48, Japan domination of Asia/Manchuria, 8 years before Pearl Harbor attack [My note: The Japanese tookover Manchuria by attacking their own train station there and blaming the Manchurians for it, iirc.]

At 15:17, British attack on the Italian Fleet in the port of Taranto in Nov 1940; Jan 1941, 2 months later, Yamamoto decided to attack Pearl Harbor

At 19:42, Dutch East Indies closest source of oil, embargo on Japan for invading Southern Indochina

Edited link title + for spelling and to expand notes on the video.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   3:17:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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