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Title: KING JAMES WAS GAY. Here's some excerpts from various sources
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URL Source: http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/history/king_james_gay.html
Published: Dec 7, 2005
Author: Edward T. Babinski
Post Date: 2005-12-07 14:57:43 by christine
Keywords: excerpts, various, sources
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How many folks know that King James (who commissioned the King James Bible and to whom it was dedicated) loved men and had sex with them? At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his male cousin Esme Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esme to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France. Later, James fell in love with a poor young Scotsman named Robert Carr. "The king leans on his [Carr's] arm, pinches his cheeks, smooths his ruffled garment, and when he looks upon Carr, directs his speech to others." (Thomas Howard, Earl of Suffolk, in a letter, 1611) Carr eventually ended the relationship after which the king expressed his dissatisfaction in a letter to Carr, "I leave out of this reckoning your long creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnest soliciting you to the contrary...Remember that (since I am king) all your being, except your breathing and soul, is from me." (See The Letters of King James I & VI, ed., G. P. V. Akrigg, Univ. of Calif. Press, 1984. Also see Royal Family, Royal Lovers: King James of England and Scotland, David M. Bergeron, Univ. of Missouri Press, 1991) - Skip Church King James' favorite male lovers were the Earl of Somerset and the Duke of Buckingham. - Ben Edward Akerly, The X-rated Bible James's sexual orientation was so widely known that Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it in public saying "King Elizabeth" had been succeeded by "Queen James." - Catherine D. Bowen, The Lion and the Throne King James 1 was a known homosexual who murdered his young lovers and victimized countless heretics and women. His cruelty was justified by his "divine right" of kings. - Otto J. Scott, James the First Although the title page of The King James Bible boasted that it was "newly translated out of the original tongues," the work was actually a revision of The Bishop's Bible of 1568, which was a revision of The Great Bible of 1539, which was itself based on three previous English translations from the early 1500s. So, the men who produced the King James Bible not only inherited some of the errors made by previous English translators, but invented some of their own. Desiderius Erasmus was a "Christian humanist" who collected Greek (and Latin) New Testament manuscripts and compared and edited them, verse by verse, selecting what he considered to be the best variant passages, until he had compiled what came to be known as the "textus receptus." Early English translations of the Bible, like those mentioned above, were based on his "textus receptus." Erasmus was also a monk whom some historians believe engaged in homosexual activities. But without both King James and Erasmus, the most widely touted Bible in Christian history would never have been produced, the KJV (or shall we say, Gay-JV?) Bible. - Skip Church
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Thank a Homosexual for Your Bible The printing of the King James Bible was sponsored by King James I of England. Until the printing of this version the scriptures were ". . . practically unknown either to clergy or to people." (1) In 1522 William Tindale, an Oxford scholar, considered translating the Bible into English. He met resistance and was exiled to Germany. In 1525 the New Testament, partially translated by Tindale, was printed in Cologne. During the same year 6,000 copies of the Testament were smuggled into England. By the authority of the church they were publicly burned. The Bible was the first book ever to be banned in England. (2) Driven from town to town William Tindale was eventually strangled in 1536 and his body burned. Queen Mary, the mother of James I and a devout Catholic, had commanded "that no manners of persons presume to bring into this real any messages., books, paper, etc. in the name of Martin Luther, John Calvin, Miles Coverdale, Erasmus, Tyndale etc. or any like books containing false doctrines against the Catholic faith". The Puritans complained to King James that the Bible available to them, the Douay version, was corrupt and begged for a new translation. King James complied and in 1611 the first printing was completed. King James I, at the age of 8, was able to translate aloud chapters of the Bible from Latin to French and then to English. James believed strongly that the Bible should be available to ordinary people, not just the clergy. At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his cousin Esmé Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esmé to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France. Despite his homosexual activities James later fell in love with and married Anne of Denmark with whom he had seven children. He was nicknamed Solomon for his ability to negotiate between the heads of the Catholic and Protestant churches.
This is essentially what my grandfather, a true bible scholar, told to me way, way back in the day. If God is God, and His Word will endure, then I don't believe that the translators can screw it up if a person is seeking truth with the Holy Spirit present. Whatever the reader needs, will be there for them.
bottom line: it's a matter of faith and that's something you can't argue.
And from
this reckless union sprung one Egene Chandler, a/k/a
"Gay" is of course an anachronistic word for King James's time. And my recollection is that King James wrote and spoke scornfully of "sodomites." I've long suspected that his sexual acts never went as far as sodomy, and that he used this fact to persuade himself that he was not a sodomite.
...it's a matter of faith and that's something As my grandfather used to say, "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still." I miss him to this day.
Having just finished Antonia Fraser's Faith and Treason: The Story of the Gunpowder Plot , I'm now reading Charles Nicholl's The Reckoning: The Murder of Christopher Marlowe. These books portray Jacobean and Elizabethan England as something disturbingly close to a police state.
Sounds like the original neo-con.
Do you know what can stop the duke of earl?
"nothing" ;)
interesting...
The latest in a series of revisionist histories (which amount to personal attacks), where the accused cannot defend himself. Lincoln was the last one I read about. Stick to ancient Rome, their sex lives were an open book.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
The Pilgrims didn't leave Jolly Old England w/o good reason. Not that they were a tolerant bunch themselves. And Cromwell wasn't any better than the Crown, in fact, he was much worse. The Catholics and Quakers fled under his rule.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Bingo!!!!! Sing along, now: "Nothing can stop the Duke of Earllllll."
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I skimmed this earlier. I'll have to look at it. My guy reaction is it's a bunch of BS. I have to type up some proposals now. I may address it at sometime. Thanks for your interest in my opinion. :)
Death to the NWO!!!
Sounds more like he was bi-sexual.
Whether he was or was not gay has no bearing on the veracity of the KJV. He didn't translate it, he just ordered it done. God can use evil people for good purposes, he has many times.
God is always good! God is always good! Yep. He can even speak through a jackass, when need be.
i meant the veracity of whether or not the king was gay.
Like dubya, he prolly was whacking off in some coffin over there, gay - straight...whatever hole is open for me would be the order of the day.
Actually, the suggestion that James commissioned the Bible because he wanted it in the vernacular is BS. There were several English translations to choose from when he came to power. The most popular was the Geneva Bible, which was used by the Pilgrims and Puritans, and which did not give (in James' view) sufficient deference to either king or bishops (it reflected a Presbyterian polity). So James commissioned a new, high church translation to promote his prerogatives, and selected commissioners who utilized more archaic (for the day), "fancy" English -- which had the effect of reducing the people's understanding of the Bible's teachings. However, it is my understanding that most (if not all) of the commissioners whose translations became the KJV were Christians. To read more, I could suggest In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changes a Nation, A Language, and a Culture -- which is not to suggest that I agree with everything this historian asserts.
mmmhmmmm (raised eyebrows)
From what I have gathered, the King James version has about 20,000 inaccuracies in translation. (could be wrong about that). The "Geneva" version has been hailed as the most accurate translation. Psst: the dude is dead; he didn't translate it himself, he commissioned it.
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Thank you for the information.
Death to the NWO!!!
Why are your eyebrows raised, and how high?
Death to the NWO!!!
Not necessarily true. One can BE a Sodomite and rail against Sodomites. Remember Jimmy Swaggart. The made a carreer of telling his paritioners both on the vidiot box and in his church that ALL movies lead to porn and Sodomy while pracicing porn and Sodomy with the cheapest hos around.
I don't think Swaggart was practicing sodomy. At least I don't remember it that way.
We'll never know about Swaggart. He was blubbering so during his 'confession', nobody could understand him.
i know. :)
if he did, i doubt he'd broadcast it. i think he's one of those pious
perverts. i wouldn't put anything past him and his ilk.
my eyebrows are raised because it appears, as i suspected, that King James had a political motive or two.
There was at least one other reason for James I to commission his Authorized Translation. The Douai-Reims (Catholic) translation of the New Testament had come out in 1582, and the publication of the translation of the entire Bible was imminent. James wanted there to be an Anglican version to compete with the Catholic version.
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: All (#1)
James I of England and VI of Scotland was born in 1566, the son of Mary,
Queen
of Scots, and Henry, Lord Darnley. James had to face difficulties from his
earliest years—his mother was an incompetent ruler who quarrelled with
politicians and churchmen such as John Knox, and she may have been involved in
the murder of her husband Darnley, himself a worthless character. The murder
was carried out partly to avenge the slaying of Mary's secretary and possible
lover, David Rizzio or Riccio, in which Darnley played a part (before James's
birth), and it also enabled Mary to marry her current lover, the Earl of
Bothwell. Mary was deposed by the Scottish lords in 1567, and fled to England,
where she sought the protective custody of Elizabeth I, who clapped her in
prison and had her beheaded twenty years later.
James grew up under various regencies and a couple of notable tutors,
the poet, dramatist and humanist George Buchanan, and Peter Young, whose good
nature and enthusiasm for lighter reading somewhat offset the formidable
learning and sometimes overbearingly serious teaching methods of Buchanan.
James chafed against Buchanan and disliked him, but in later years would boast
that he had been the great man's pupil. Buchanan instilled in James political
theories which included the idea that the king is beholden to the people for
his power, a belief which James later came to reject in favour of Divine Right
kingship. From Young he learned to appreciate poetry (Buchanan wrote Latin
poetry of a largely didactic nature, and encouraged James to read mostly Latin
and Greek books) and delved deeply into his mother's library of French verse
and romances. James developed a genuine love of learning (he was not, as many
authors have claimed, a mere pedant), some skill in writing poetry, and a
lively prose style. He also showed an interest in plays, including those of
Shakespeare and Jonson, and was particularly fond of the masque, which would
become the leading form of court entertainment when James became King of
England in 1603. His marriage to Anne of Denmark, herself a great patron of
masques and a conoisseur of literature, may have piqued his interest in this
particularly royal form of entertainment, with its music, dancing, singing and
elaborate sets designed by Inigo Jones.
James published his first book in 1584, entitled The Essays of a
Prentice in the Divine Art of Poesy, which he followed up in 1591 with His
Majesties Poetical Exercises at Vacant Hours. In the first book James included
some translations he had made from du Bartas, whose Uranie takes the muse
Urania and transforms her into a Christian figure representing the Holy Spirit,
an idea which appealed to James at the time, because he thought he could employ
poetry for the dissemination of his religious and political beliefs. As a King,
James had a special relationship with God and could therefore write religious
poetry from a special viewpoint. James's poetry is competent, and sometimes he
manages a striking line or two; one of his best poems is the sonnet he wrote
prefacing his book Basilikon Doron (1599).
The majority of James's written works are concerned with theology and
the justification of the theory of Divine Right, and for those reasons he must
be considered as a major writer of political philosophy. In lively style and
with considerable learning he defended the Oath of Allegiance which Catholics
were required to take, disputed it with the great Cardinal Bellarmine, wrote
two books on Divine Right, one, Basilikon Doron, for the edification of his son
Prince Henry (1594-1612) and the other, The True Law of Free Monarchies, was a
simple explanation of his theories for the general literate public. D.H.
Willson, one of James's biographers, calls the first book "entertaining and
quotable" (133) and also cites Francis Bacon as finding that it "filled the
whole realm as with a good perfume or incense, being excellently written and
having nothing of affectation" (166). James's comment on Bacon's Advancement of
Learning was "it was like the peace of God, which passeth all understanding"
(Ashton 142). James also wrote some rather moving "Meditations on the Lord's
Prayer" and a justly famous essay, "A Counterblast to Tobacco" (1604), one of
the first, and surely one of the best attacks on smoking ever written. Smoking,
James tells us, is "a custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful
to the brain, dangerous to the lungs, and in the black, stinking fume thereof,
nearest resembling the horrible Stygian smoke of the pit that is bottomless."
James's interest in literature was tied in with a shrewd sense of
propaganda. He realised that books, masques, sermons, and plays could all be
employed in the service of the king, that they were the media which could best
disseminate his views of kingship and impress upon a large number of people its
power and majesty. The court masque, expensive and elaborate, baroque and
ritualistic, symbolised that power and majesty, and the king's physical place
as the focal point of the entertainment reinforced it further. Thus James and
Queen Anne patronised Ben Jonson and Inigo Jones, the great architect and
designer of the sets for Jonson's masques. The publication of sermons, also,
was of particular interest to the theologically-minded king, and his personal
encouragement of the church career of John Donne, whom James appointed Dean of
St. Paul's Cathedral, was no accident, for Donne was a staunch supporter of
kingly power and majesty, and often preached before the King himself, as did
his eminent colleague Lancelot Andrewes, another of James's favourite divines.
James's political accomplishments (or lack thereof) as King do not
concern us here, but suffice it to say that he has had a mixed reception from
historians. Most agree that he was a success in Scotland but a partial failure
in England, although recently his English kingship has undergone massive
studies by Conrad Russell and others which have tended to show James in a much
more favourable light. For example, he consistently strove for peace both at
home and abroad, with varying success, but was determined never to go to war if
it could be helped.
James I's impact on English literature is considerable, not least
because of his encouragment of and participation in the translation of the
Bible into English (1611), the translation that many people still consider the
best, and which bears his name, the King James Bible. That, above everything he
wrote, is James's monument, but his literary works deserve some credit, and he
is always a pleasure to read.
#4. To: lodwick (#2)
If God is God, and His Word will endure, then I don't believe that the translators can screw it up if a person is seeking truth with the Holy Spirit present. Whatever the reader needs, will be there for them.
#5. To: christine, those oldies butt goodies (#0)
At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his male
cousin Esme Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox.
#6. To: christine (#0)
#7. To: christine (#4)
Too true.
you can't I don't argue.
#8. To: christine (#0)
#9. To: christine (#0)
King James 1 was a known homosexual who murdered his young lovers and victimized countless heretics and women. His cruelty was justified by his "divine right" of kings. - Otto J. Scott, James the First
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#11. To: Soda Pop (#10)
#12. To: aristeides (#6)
#13. To: christine (#0)
#14. To: aristeides (#8)
These books portray Jacobean and Elizabethan England as something disturbingly close to a police state.
#15. To: christine (#11)
"nothing" ;
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#17. To: Zipporah (#16)
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#18. To: christine (#1)
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." - John F. Kennedy
#19. To: christine (#0)
DISCLAIMER: I am posting this for discussion purposes and not because I am proclaiming its veracity.
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#20. To: RickyJ (#19)
God can use evil people for good purposes, he has many times.
#21. To: RickyJ (#19)
#22. To: christine (#21)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#17)
#24. To: DeaconBenjamin (#23)
The most popular was the Geneva Bible, which was used by the Pilgrims and Puritans, and which did not give (in James' view) sufficient deference to either king or bishops (it reflected a Presbyterian polity).
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#27. To: christine (#24)
mmmhmmmm (raised eyebrows)
#28. To: aristeides (#6)
#29. To: Coral Snake (#28)
pracicing porn and Sodomy
#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)
#31. To: rack42 (#25)
he didn't translate it himself, he commissioned it.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#27)
and which did not give (in James' view) sufficient deference to either king or bishops
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