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Title: 9/11 attacks carried out by US, Israel and Saudi Arabia: Expert
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Published: Dec 22, 2013
Author: staff
Post Date: 2013-12-22 02:13:21 by Tatarewicz
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Views: 1139
Comments: 36

The September 11, 2001 attacks in the US were a “false flag” operation carried out jointly by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia with "Zionists playing the lead role," an analyst tells Press TV.

On Thursday, a US federal court ruled that relatives of people who died in the 9/11 attacks can sue Saudi Arabia, reversing a lower court ruling in 2002 that had found the kingdom immune from lawsuits.

The complaint states that much of the funding for the al-Qaeda terrorists involved in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon came from Saudi Arabia.

Dr. Kevin Barrett, a member of the Scientific Panel for the Investigation of 9/11, rejects the official narrative, saying Saudi Arabia is a "puppet of the US and other Western governments.”

“There were no hijackers, there were no hijackings, this has been proved in many, many ways,” Dr. Barrett said on Saturday. “Ten of the 19 guys they blamed were still alive after 9/11,” he added.

Rather, he said, “Saudi intelligence was used by the real perpetrators of Sept. 11 to create a legend, to set up the patsies who would be blamed for this event.”

Dr. Barrett said a “suppressed” report by the Congressional Joint Inquiry of 2002 would shed light on the true perpetrators of the attacks, should it become public. The controversial document, however, has remained classified to this day.

Former Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) who chaired the inquiry at the time has stated that the document includes information “implicating a foreign government,” Dr. Barrett said. “But there has been such a cover-up,” he added.

The September 11 attacks, also referred to as 9/11 were a series of four coordinated attacks upon the US cities of New York and the Washington, DC which killed nearly 3,000 people.


Poster Comment:

Probably as accurate a 9/11 summary as you will find except for clarity US involvement was that part of US government which was and still is under the control of the Israeli lobby which included Bush, his henchmen and the majority of congress, aided by Jew duals in the judiciary.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

This article is on the mark.

Also, NORAD kept the fighters out over the Atlantic so they could not intercept the airliners. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-22   10:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BTP Holdings (#1)

NORAD kept the fighters out over the Atlantic so they could not intercept the airliners. ;)

Just some Langley fighters were sent to the Atlantic, afaik, and probably not very far out -- possibly to patrol a sector for foreign military vessels that might be in the area.

9/11: INTERCEPTED YouTube video by Pilots for 9/11 Truth - link set to start at 22:25, which says:

"Say again where you want 'em?"

"Uh, we want 'em in the Whiskey 386 area."

Our fighter jets don't have to be very close to a target to hit it if they have to.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-22   14:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GreyLmist (#2)

Our fighter jets don't have to be very close to a target to hit it if they have to.

They knew those airliners were off course and headed to NYC. What I fail to see is how those jets could get that close to the towers. They were flown to that point by AWACS aircraft. That is the only possibility. Recall, Ahmadinejad said the U.S was behind the events of 9-11. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-22   15:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz, Ada (#0)

Sorry to break the sad news to you but neither Israel nor the US gov't figure in the new and updated 9/11 theory being promoted by ex-Senator Bob Graham and House Reps. Jones and Lynch. Kevin Barrett's personal life scandals - whether true or not...have effectively marginalized him and his theories.

However 1 out of 3 ain't bad...

The Fickle Finger of Fate is pointing at the House of Sowwwd for masterminding 9/11...cough, cough....not that the Saudis are competent enough to figure out how to make a brick....but the new official 9/11 story line has the Saudis being T.H.E. "foreign government" that engineered 9/11...you betcha.

Good times for our Muslim dictator "friends" seem to end in death or near death these days. First Uncle Saddam. Then Uncles Mubarrak and Quadafi. Now the House of Sowwwwd. Munch crunch, thanks for the lunch, says Uncle Sam. America will soon be left with only one Middle East ally - the very best one, of course, the only peace loving "democracy" that battles 24/7/365 for its very existence against the evil forces of thuggish Muslim nations. Ho hum...yawn...

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=161464

scrapper2  posted on  2013-12-22   16:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#3)

They knew those airliners were off course and headed to NYC. What I fail to see is how those jets could get that close to the towers. They were flown to that point by AWACS aircraft

Uhhh, ahhhh, cough cough, uhhh.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-22   16:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings, Tatarewicz, GreyLmist, scrapper2 (#1)

THE SAUDI FAMILY CONCEAL THEIR JEWISH ORIGIN www.assatashakur.org/foru...-saudi-jewish-origin.html

Itistoolate  posted on  2013-12-22   17:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: scrapper2 (#4)

America will soon be left with only one Middle East ally - the very best one, of course, the only peace loving "democracy" that battles 24/7/365 for its very existence against the evil forces of thuggish Muslim nations

You mean Iran. All the rest are engaged in civil strife or conniving to have America fight at great cost in lives and treasure its enemies. Iran is stable and is anxious to do business with America which is probably what Obama sees as helping US economic recovery; certainly not going to get it from Ameica's Israeli parasites who will steal any business opportunities they can through their universal spying.

In any event what may be missing from this 9/11 conspiracy is the "third" Jew. Not to be overlooked is that Lucky Larry needed someone like an insurance company to pay for the demolition of the old Twin Towers and without the regulatory hassles involved with proper building removal. He alone could have concocted the plan, selling it to Mossad and US neocon duals, including the Israeli lobby. Be interesting to see if 9/11 plaintiffs bring this up in their lawsuit.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2013-12-23   2:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: scrapper2 (#4)

I have said right from the beginning Saudi Arabia was behind this. A bunch of Wahabis, who are out of Saudi Arabia, fly planes into the towers, and we attack Afghanistan? I wrote an article for Lew Rockwell saying we should have attacked Saudi Arabia and it was apparently too much for him to print.

"Have Brain, Will Travel

Turtle  posted on  2013-12-23   7:02:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Turtle (#8)

The House of Sowwwwd may have cut a check or two but come on, the Saudis can't make a brick. How could they have the intelligence to pull off one of the biggest hoaxes in modern history? The Saudis without US help would still be looking at their desert to this day, scratching their heads, and wondering why oil was gurgling to the top in spots and how to put a stop to the mess.

The Saudis are STOOOOOOOOPID. That's why Lew Rockwell didn't publish your article - not believable. The Saudis are only good for writing checks... as Secty of State John WhatsHisFace Cohn would attest.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-12-24   2:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tatarewicz (#7)

There's only one 911 plaintiff who dared to mention israelis & the jew judge sanctioned both her & her lawyer.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-12-24   9:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2 (#4)

Jones & lynch are total zionist clowns- this 28 page document won't mention israel for sure.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-12-24   9:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BTP Holdings (#3)

They knew those airliners were off course and headed to NYC. What I fail to see is how those jets could get that close to the towers. They were flown to that point by AWACS aircraft. That is the only possibility.

Did NORAD Send The "Suicide" Jets?

Think about it. NORAD's job is to protect us from enemy bombers and missiles sent over our skies by foreign powers. Would those foreign powers be considerate enough to put transponders on their bombers and missiles so NORAD could locate them and shoot them down? Of course not. NORAD is expected to find unidentified flying objects without transponders. [...] NORAD uses a network of ground-based radars, sensors and fighter jets to detect, intercept and, if necessary, engage any threats to the continent."

Transponders help to filter out all identifiable aircraft for NORAD and allow them to focus on those craft that are unidentified. An aircraft flying without a transponder gets special attention. NORAD must have known when each of the transponders in the four "suicide" jets was turned off, and must have known immediately. At all times, NORAD must have known the location of each of the four planes. [...]

Before we go any further, let us consider the implications of the so-called hijackers/suicide pilots turning off the transponders. If the "hijackers" knew enough about transponders to shut them off, they surely must have known the aircraft could be tracked and located by conventional radar. Why, then, did the "hijackers" turn off the transponders? There's a question to ponder.

Put in other words, why did the suicide pilots want to keep the name of the airline, the flight number, the altitude, and the speed of the aircraft a secret, even though the latitude and longitude of the aircraft could not be kept secret? Turning off the transponders would not have helped the mission if NORAD was doing its job. The suicide pilots would have known NORAD would not be fooled by the trick.

[...] Remember, real hijackers would have believed they had, at the very most, a 19-minute window of opportunity before NORAD interception, as proven by the Payne Stewart case. They would not have believe they had an 80-minute window of opportunity, as NORAD gave them on September 11 (Flight 11 went amiss at 8:15-8:20 a.m, Pentagon hit 80 minutes later at 9:40 a.m.).

No. "Real" hijackers did not pull off this caper.

That article agrees with you about remote controlled aircraft but consider, too, that the 2nd alleged plane (remote controlled or not) reportedly crashed at an angle with much of its fuel spilled outside of the building. Likely, that wouldn't all have exploded in the air and, at the time, the buildings crumbling weren't much expected if at all. I don't recall reading that anyone below was splashed with jet fuel and I don't recall reading, either, that such hazardous conditions on the ground (with burning debris falling around) and containment concerns were comparable in the least to this recent report of a non-fiery crash:

Brit Airways 747 Slices Building On SA Takeoff: Fuel spillage was reported from the aircraft after the smash but this was contained by the airport fire services.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-24   11:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Itistoolate (#6)

THE SAUDI FAMILY CONCEAL THEIR JEWISH ORIGIN www.assatashakur.org/foru...-saudi-jewish-origin.html

Thanks for the link, Itis.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-24   11:07:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GreyLmist, BTP Holdings (#12)

That article agrees with you about remote controlled aircraft but consider, too, that the 2nd alleged plane (remote controlled or not) reportedly crashed at an angle with much of its fuel spilled outside of the building. Likely, that wouldn't all have exploded in the air and, at the time, the buildings crumbling weren't much expected if at all. I don't recall reading that anyone below was splashed with jet fuel and I don't recall reading, either, that such hazardous conditions on the ground (with burning debris falling around) and containment concerns were comparable in the least to this recent report of a non-fiery crash:

As seen from the videos of the impact, the fuel ignited once the plane had penetrated the exterior of the tower. It came out of the exit hole, creating the huge fireballs witnessed by those who were there and on multiple cameras.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-12-24   11:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GreyLmist (#13)

Itistoolate  posted on  2013-12-24   11:15:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Itistoolate (#15) (Edited)

Why would AIPAC protect Saudis from 9/11 probe?

In other words, Bush hid the fact that one or more foreign countries attacked the US on 9/11. His pretext: “National security.” But how could concealing the true identities of the 9/11 perpetrators possibly protect national security?!

historycommons.org: In fact, just about the only known actions taken by top-level Bush administration officials were to protect their personal safety.

Edited for spacing.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-24   11:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GreyLmist, Itistoolate (#16)

In other words, Bush hid the fact that one or more foreign countries attacked the US on 9/11. His pretext: “National security.” But how could concealing the true identities of the 9/11 perpetrators possibly protect national security?!

Lot's of times "national security" is invoked to conceal criminal acts, oftentimes treasonous in nature.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-12-24   11:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: FormerLurker (#14)

As seen from the videos of the impact, the fuel ignited once the plane had penetrated the exterior of the tower. It came out of the exit hole, creating the huge fireballs witnessed by those who were there and on multiple cameras.

Answering service: Well, except for all the fuel that reportedly didn't spontaneously combust so and went pouring down elevator shafts, etc., instead as if it and those fumes were somehow disconnected.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-24   11:56:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: FormerLurker (#17)

Lot's of times "national security" is invoked to conceal criminal acts, oftentimes treasonous in nature.

On that I agree.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-24   11:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: GreyLmist (#18)

Well, except for all the fuel that reportedly didn't spontaneously combust so and went pouring down elevator shafts, etc., instead as if it and those fumes were somehow disconnected.

Of course they were connected. Thing is, even the NIST report states that 90% or so of the fuel was consumed in the first few minutes, mostly outside the building.

That's why the story about the towers falling due to fire is pure BS, the fuel burnt out within the first few minutes and could not have heated the structure to the point of causing the steel to weaken.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-12-24   12:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FormerLurker (#20)

Of course they were connected. Thing is, even the NIST report states that 90% or so of the fuel was consumed in the first few minutes, mostly outside the building.

That's why the story about the towers falling due to fire is pure BS, the fuel burnt out within the first few minutes and could not have heated the structure to the point of causing the steel to weaken.

And we both know about how reliable the ZioNISTa report is -- somewhere around 99.99% not at all, I'm guessing.

4um posts on the Whiskey 386 area here and here. The reason I think it's significant if there were vessels possibly test-firing/wargaming or whatever then in that sector has to do with technologies that might have caused the towers to fall as they did.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-24   13:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GreyLmist (#12)

Excellent post.

The prior success rate before 9/11 was 100%. As with Payne Stewart a soon as a plane misses a turn (as designated in their flight plan) fails to respond or maintain correct altitude they're caught within 20 minutes by the closest intercept jet.

For a commercial airliner to switch off its T sponder then fly around for over an hour unmolested schmells of Tikkun Olam to mee.

"Failing to discriminate is to teach misplaced egalitarianism in the service of unmerited self-esteem; or to encourage undeserved aesthetic appreciation for all works of art and entertainment."__Morris B. Holbrook

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-12-24   14:32:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22) (Edited)

Thanks, HD, and for the additional info. Whatever that meandering time and other anomalies were about, it should only take a very few minutes, not a decade+ of debating, for many people to understand that there's something very wrong with the NYC picture officially. Just show them a short video of the first tower ejecting much debris while falling with nary a scratch to the other tower and ask them if they don't think that's beyond believing.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-24   15:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker, GreyLMist (#14)

Recall, that Larry Silverstein collected double indemnity TWICE for the loss of the Towers. Could it be that he was an insider as well? ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-24   16:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GreyLmist (#21) (Edited)

The reason I think it's significant if there were vessels possibly test-firing/wargaming or whatever then in that sector has to do with technologies that might have caused the towers to fall as they did.

Occam's Razor is the precept that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Being that explosives were more than capable of bringing down the towers, especially if they were high yield explosives wired to detonate sequentially floor to floor downwards, I'd lean towards that explanation.

You're free to believe whatever you want, but if you're truly trying to convince the average person that the towers did NOT fall as claimed by the government, ie. steel became weak and the building "pancaked", then the simpler (and MUCH more probable explanation) should suffice.

Thing is GL, if I didn't already KNOW that it is IMPOSSIBLE for those towers to have fallen into their own footprint as claimed by the government due to burning jet fuel, the exotic and far fetched tales of "invisible beam weapons" and a massive effort to fabricate fake live video by ALL news media covering the live event, along with claims that any and all participants ranging from police and fire crews to victims and bystanders are part of the "fakery", I would be fairly convinced that 9/11 "truthers" are a few cans short of a six and are off their rockers. In other words those tales would convince me that the government is probably telling the truth and those who say anything different are liars.

Of course there are other parts of the story which are impossible, such as the extraordinary bit of flying on the part of Hanjour in terms of flying several feet off the ground at over 500 mph and hitting the Pentagon square on at ground level, along with the failure to intercept those planes, the impossible cell phone calls, etc. So myself I'd still doubt the official story, but for those unknowledgeable in regards to the facts and details of what is claimed, tales of energy beams (which NOBODY saw or could even attempt to explain) capable of bringing down skyscrapers sequentially from top to bottom floor, without harming any adjacent buildings, and for ALL news media to have conspired to launch a fabricated live feed created ahead of time, yet broadcast in real time as events unfolded, well then it may well just have been 19 cave dwellers who did it, it'd be more probable, even taking into consideration how impossible the story truly is.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-12-24   16:22:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: BTP Holdings (#24) (Edited)

Recall, that Larry Silverstein collected double indemnity TWICE for the loss of the Towers. Could it be that he was an insider as well? ;)

Of course BTP, it's been suggested by many videos and many blogs. Remember his words, "pull it"?

It all ties in to him, Enron, the missing trillions from the Pentagon (thanks to Dov Zakheim), PNAC, pipelines UNOCAL wanted to build in Afghanistan, and matters held in terms of CIA material at the NYC CIA office formerly located at WTC7.

And oh yeah, those behind it wanted an excuse to launch the Patriot Act and other tyrannical legislation along with their perpetual bogus "war on terror"...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-12-24   16:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#26)

You remember the movie, "Three Days of the Condor"? In it, Robert Redford is a "book reader" who works at a CIA facility in NYC. They uncover facts that there is a secret CIA plot to bring down the U.S. Government. Redford goes out to lunch via the basement exit, and avoids the murders of his co-workers. When the bad guys find out he escaped, they stop at nothing to kill him. Eventually, he comes in from the cold, but gives the story to the NY Times. It never gets printed, however, which is a part of the ending of the plot. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-25   16:29:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker (#25)

such as the extraordinary bit of flying on the part of Hanjour in terms of flying several feet off the ground at over 500 mph and hitting the Pentagon square on at ground level

This is part of the official story that I really don't git.

The jet jockey maneuvers allegedly performed by an amateur pilot circling in over the Pentagon, defying physics (and even geometry) in the approach, flying faster than a 757 is capable of at sea level and drilling a 20' x 20' max hole in the wall and boring through all five rings of the structure with what is for all intents and purposes a giant aluminum cigar tube is - well just too much to swallow.

AJ has at several points in the discussion over the last twelve years waved everyone off the topic. "Building 7 is the smoking gun. Don't argue the case of the Pentagon attack. You'll just get your head handed to you." Or something along those lines. I don't understand that man sometimes.

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randge  posted on  2013-12-25   18:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FormerLurker (#25)

Occam's Razor is the precept that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Occam's Razor is lizard s**t... - halfpasthuman.com

...what is easily understood is that ANYONE trotting out old Occam's razor to 'explain' any issue, is only trying to settle it with a control technique. For instance. Occam's razor says that JFK was shot by a single nutter assassin who was almost instantly killed by his own assassin.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-28   5:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: FormerLurker (#25) (Edited)

Being that explosives were more than capable of bringing down the towers, especially if they were high yield explosives wired to detonate sequentially floor to floor downwards, I'd lean towards that explanation.

You're free to believe whatever you want, but if you're truly trying to convince the average person that the towers did NOT fall as claimed by the government, ie. steel became weak and the building "pancaked", then the simpler (and MUCH more probable explanation) should suffice.

Thing is GL, if I didn't already KNOW that it is IMPOSSIBLE for those towers to have fallen into their own footprint as claimed by the government due to burning jet fuel, the exotic and far fetched tales of "invisible beam weapons" and a massive effort to fabricate fake live video by ALL news media covering the live event, along with claims that any and all participants ranging from police and fire crews to victims and bystanders are part of the "fakery", I would be fairly convinced that 9/11 "truthers" are a few cans short of a six and are off their rockers. In other words those tales would convince me that the government is probably telling the truth and those who say anything different are liars.

Of course there are other parts of the story which are impossible, such as the extraordinary bit of flying on the part of Hanjour in terms of flying several feet off the ground at over 500 mph and hitting the Pentagon square on at ground level, along with the failure to intercept those planes, the impossible cell phone calls, etc. So myself I'd still doubt the official story, but for those unknowledgeable in regards to the facts and details of what is claimed, tales of energy beams (which NOBODY saw or could even attempt to explain) capable of bringing down skyscrapers sequentially from top to bottom floor, without harming any adjacent buildings, and for ALL news media to have conspired to launch a fabricated live feed created ahead of time, yet broadcast in real time as events unfolded, well then it may well just have been 19 cave dwellers who did it, it'd be more probable, even taking into consideration how impossible the story truly is.

I think your version involves much more complexity than mine does. You know that big media is controlled but underestimate, for 9/11, how controlled it is and how coerced some people might be about speaking of what they saw or didn't see. You're convinced that planes can glide into buildings intact, that remote control somehow makes it possible for jets to better perform physics-bending and aircraft-stressing maneuvers that the alleged hijackers or other pilots couldn't, that conventional explosives mixed with tons of thermitics (aka pyrotechnic pixie dust) brought the buildings down and largely disintegrated them, that it's not improbable for the first tower that fell first to have damaged buildings some distance away but all the projectiles from it towards the tower right next to it were like water rolling down off a duck's back and you think it's the people that don't agree who "are a few cans short of a six and are off their rockers". ??? Believe it or not, FL, even though you too are free to believe whatever you want, the choice isn't really limited to either/or: what you've accepted on faith against logic or the official story.

Edited to reword the section about the towers.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-28   6:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: randge (#28)

AJ has at several points in the discussion over the last twelve years waved everyone off the topic. "Building 7 is the smoking gun. Don't argue the case of the Pentagon attack. You'll just get your head handed to you." Or something along those lines. I don't understand that man sometimes.

Mike Rivero similarly.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-28   6:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GreyLmist (#31)

Press TV interview - Jew Dr. Alan Sabrosky says Israel did 9-11

Itistoolate  posted on  2013-12-28   7:10:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Itistoolate (#32)

Press TV interview - Jew Dr. Alan Sabrosky says Israel did 9-11

IS that the reason he aint posting in such a long time?

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titorite  posted on  2014-01-16   22:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Itistoolate, scrapper2, BTP Holdings, Tatarewicz, GreyLmist, christine (#6)

THE SAUDI FAMILY CONCEAL THEIR...(censored by 4um admin) <--- hey, chris, look! ;)

Although I don't usually take exception to the insight offered by our friend scrapper2, I find the evidence of the crypto-Yehudism in The House of Saud to be very believable. (not to mention their beaks and the striking resemblance to certain merchants in NYC, especially Brooklyn)

When a certain unknown individual notified the Saudi Embassy that before shipping shiny, new 400 amp Miller Arc Welders they were being repainted and renamed (Gentile rebirth, if you will) for the benefit of the fundie "oil workers for Allah" (pbuh) in the Saudi oilfields, the embassy wasn't the least bit concerned and the deception continued, probably still to this day.

And, despite Israel's make believe feint objection to the sale of US fighter jets the sale to S.A. went through without Israel launching airstrikes before the planes could be fueled. In other words, Israel didn't really object.

If The Royal Family aren't really the ass of The Lion Of Judah they really ought to be.

"I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry a Glock 40."__former DEA Agent Lee Paige

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2014-01-17   1:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: HOUNDDAWG (#34)

"I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry a Glock 40."__former DEA Agent Lee Paige

I knew a guy in Chicago who joined the Marines. They sent him to Lebanon. When they bombed the barracks there, he was lucky to not be inside when it happened. When he got out of the Marines, he joined the DEA. Good carrer move IMO. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2014-01-17   7:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Itistoolate (#32) (Edited)

Sabrosky said that Congress gave the Israeli PM 29 standing ovations. They cannot even give that much support to a sitting President. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2014-01-17   8:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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