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Title: Do You Believe That There Is An Underground Patriot Military Who Will Be Willing To Stand With Us Against A Government Institution of Martial Law?
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Published: Dec 7, 2005
Author: christine
Post Date: 2005-12-07 19:52:29 by christine
Keywords: Underground, Institution, Government
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Comments: 68
Will they stand with the American people against the criminal tyrants?
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#17. To: Jhoffa_ (#14)
I think that, given a taste of power that they would be as bad as what we have now. I don't want guys playing army in the woods. I want public figures, bitching and making a stink and establishing their credentials. Now what is the purpose of the 2nd amendment?
Death to the NWO!!!
Revolution is one thing.. A standing, prepared, secondary, unknown, completely unvetted, militant authority is another. Fuck that. Remember Rome?
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
The purpose is one thing. the balls to use guns to defeat this beast ia another. I don't see the will, 'cept for the usual scattering.
A standing, prepared, secondary, unknown, completely unvetted, militant authority is another. Fuck that. Remember Rome? Just seeing where you are coming from. I wouldn't want someone proclaiming they are the government either. Restoration of the articles of confederation would be worthy though.
Death to the NWO!!!
From Rome.. What he have is very bad, what we potentially face in this hypothetical is another matter entirely.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
I'm into the Constitution and people who defend it.. The bass boat navy & black pajamma crowd will have a cold reception here..
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
Years ago yes. Not now. Affirmative action and politicization in the officer ranks plus hordes of foreigm born troops in the ranks has changed everything since the days when I grew up on military bases. When the dollar collapses in a year or two and we are hit with germ warfare, I would expect martial law. But inflation will devastate our army's wages and morale as planned. I think that is when the NWO will call in foreign troops to restore order. I will hopefully be living in an extremly remote and undisclosed location.
The bass boat navy & black pajamma crowd will have a cold reception here.. The constitution is certainly better than what we have now. I do have a question for you though. What about Patrick Henry and otheres who were anti-constitutionalists. Do you think they could have done a better job?
Death to the NWO!!!
Provided it retains original intent, I see very little upside to the lack of a Constitution. I do, however see much danger without one. The Constitution defines us as a nation and as a people, it makes us unique. I have no problem with the document as written.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
The anti constitutionalists didn't think that the constitution protected the peoples rights. They thought there was to much power to the federals. I think they had some good points.
Death to the NWO!!!
What this and see what those type of governments do to people who speak out.. http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2005/dec/video/dnB20051207a.rm&proto=rtsp&start=19:33
Click to see: Making a difference in Iraq
I fail to see how enumerating these truths is harmful..
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
Don't get me wrong I support the constitution. I just wish they would follow it
Death to the NWO!!!
they were right.
i agree with your assessment.
could that be harmful? I know we can allegedly amend the constitution. there is the strangest language that I can conceive. I mean, when it says that there shall not be more representatives than one for every thirty thousand.
I'll be in antartica. I hear it is getting warm there. Let them try and find me in all that ice.
No, no.. Not in theory. Not the BOR. (In application, Yes! In truth? No.) Witness: Logic dictates that inalienable rights cannot be amended or otherwise redefined.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
No, no.. Not in theory. Not the BOR. (In application, Yes! In truth? No.) Do you realize of course that means that we could be limited to just one representative per state?
You know, that's one perspective that you don't hear much debate about. The bill of rights cannot be repealed. Yet, we are lead to believe that they can be undone at any time the majority can persuade their elected officials to make it happen. Also, "shall not infringe" seems like an unnecessary phrase to add to the end of any amendment by those men at that time. Wonder why they did? Then again, maybe every one of the first ten should have had that phrase added. When the smoke settles from the present revolution and folks are standing around looking at each other, why will any of us want to create any government? How will we ever educate the sheeple and bring them to the level of understanding needed? Maybe anarchy and personal responsibility should be tried. Anarchy, by the way, is not necessarily a bad thing. Most folks will be armed and dangerous and you know what they say, an armed society is a polite society. Maybe electing a sheriff and puttin' a star on his chest will have to wait. "Badges? We don't have no badges. We don't need no stinkin' badges"... we got the guns.
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." I'm not convinced that martial law will be declared, except in the event of a calamity (because the state is simply incapable of dealing with a calamity in any manner other than force). The overwhelming majority of Americans are already so compliant and apathetic that a declaration of martial law would probably just end up causing problems (but here I am assuming that the folks who would make such a declaration are semi-intelligent and think rationally). I'm sure there are people in the military who sincerely care about freedom, but they are probably exceedingly rare, and I seriously doubt that they are organized (at least not organized in a manner one might expect to see in a movie). I wouldn't depend on help from anyone currently serving in the military, but perhaps the ones who have long since left it. The one thing we have working to our advantage is the inherent ineptness of government. Government does not employ the best and the brightest (like it always seems to do in the movies). People like George Bush and Barbara Boxer work for the government.
That is exactly why I say there is such a force but not basically based on Constitutional Principle. I believe a self centered population will fight to protect their MATERIAL PROPERTY however (against door to door gun grabs and several really major "imenent domain" land grabs going on at once.) This could be turned by the right people into a revolution to restore a Constitutional Republic.
Yeah, IMO they'd be real armed.. Real, real armed. That's not the part that bothers me. The US Military insignia of the New, heavily armed, no Constitution having, Military dictatorship.. that's what bothers me. Tommy Franks mused about this recently, you you recall.. I don't want a "new" government. We're not going to get by with no Government, someone or something is going to move and attempt to fill the void. (The bass boaters will undoubtedly try and fail) What I want is the government we had, back.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
No "declaration" will ever be made. Think national emergency or temporary powers or emergency measures or continuity of government provisions. Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." I think you're right. Slip sliding into captivity and bondage will not be noticed by the masses. They'll be told it is for their own good.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
i don't know if that matters because at this point they and their minions far outnumber us. there are too many Blue Pill People.
Me too but, a the transition will include a period of no government as we debate the type and forms of government to pick from. Most of our neighbors will mistakenly believe that we are suffering from the failure of the Constitution and won't recognize that it was long ago usurped. Education is the key. Don't wait for the fall to meet your neighbors. When the bad times come, we want them to come to us for the answers. Build that rapport, now. Besides, maybe we can short circuit the need for another staged event. Any way you look at it, whether now or later, education is the key and truth is our best weapon... for now. Also, buy lots of weapons and ammo, your neighbors will come to you for those, too.
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." I don't think it will come to an army versus army type of situation. I believe a 4th generation type situation such as we have in Iraq would emerge. The ability of the govt. to impose martial law over a large portion of the US is , in my mind, suspect at best. Especially considering that the average rural citizen is armed and has the knowledge to use his weapons.
I think so. What people don't remember or understand is that it really doesn't take a majority in any country to seize or maintain power, or to complete a revolution. It takes a COMMITTED minority of strong minded, capable, armed people who have a vision and are able to articulate it sufficiently to the majority that they can either overwhelm and win them over with logic or shut them up with guns. THe majority usually just hovers in terror or apathy or both.
Maybe. I just don't think that the population of this country cares enough about their fellow citizens to actually get off their butts and do anything. They seem to spend most of their time pointing at others and saying "Man, I'm sure glad I'm not that guy! He got screwed so bad...." - and doing - nothing. When it happens to them, nobody will come to their aid. It is possible that the right person could get these people motivated to take action, but I just don't think that is going to happen. I weep for the future of this country because nobody seems to care enough to do anything and those who do have not the resources to carry on a fight, so they give up before the fight even starts. Most of us who do see what is going on, prefer to fly under the radar as much as possible rather than attract attention. We know we can't win alone and we also know that there is no help available.
Let a few folks go hungry for a while. I guarantee a few will wake up. Of course, I wouldn't want to live anywhere near the large cities when that happens.
from today's NY Times: Passengers debarked a plane with their hands above their heads at Miami International Airport.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
and when some of us do fly above the radar, we get called a fool by some of our brethren. you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. know what i mean?
I know exactly where you're coming from and sympathize with that plight. When the time comes, there will be help available. There are people who see the future coming and are taking steps to prepare for it. Others...well...they'll get a rude awakening. I hope that makes sense.
it does.
I don't agree.. I think if there's instability, the decision will be made for us by our current leaders or outside forces. They will choose a military dictatorship, the pajamma crowd will step in and try to fill the void, fail miserably, and that will be that. In short & IMO, if we lose the system of Government we currently have, there's a very real chance we'll lose our freedom (or what passes for it, currently) and never regain it. Where others seem to see an opportunity, I only see a pitfall of galactic proportions. If you could break people out of this "Left/Right" "Our Team/Their Team" sports analogy and help them see that there IS NO functional opposition party in place, that would cure the problem overnight. Further, if the Black PJ crowd wants to be seen as a viable alternative, then they need to get out there and sell themselves. Otherwise, they won't have to worry about Federal forces repelling them in the event of a crisis, their own countrymen will do it. They won't ride to power on the sholders of the citizenry as things stand today, people will beg for communism first.. Now I know folks will poo-poo the notion of fixing things through conventional channels, but look at the advantages.. In fact, look at everything we could be accomplishing right now if Dubya were a "real" Conservative. In the days following 9/11, he could have had anything he wanted. If he would have used it to springboard Conservative issues, instead of pissing the opportunity away on a Mideast snipe hunt, decades of damage would already be undone.
Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
His federal mafia bosses would not allow that. He plays along or he sleeps with the fishes. Besides, does anyone here really believe he has ever had an idea of his own?
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." This is how wakeup educates:
Bravo on the info effort.. bad move on the trailer. You'll be in the transmission shop at some point over that. PS: With regard to the above discussion, Our own Military and Tommy Franks comments about abandoning the Constution, aside... I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we saw an international coalition of the "More than just, willing!" ready to shove our heads underwater and keep them there, should our Government be completely destabilized. We're widely disliked (Something I view as largely our own fault) and a breakdown would then force our neighbors to address the question: Dubya to the serfs: "It's Raining!"
Is that really yor car? Great! Any video on the subject is playing on public access on TV in our area.
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
I know what you mean but, it was a one time trip on flat ground with a light load. It didn't even mess up my fuel economy.
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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#18. To: A K A Stone (#17)
#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)
#20. To: Jhoffa_ (#18)
Revolution is one thing..
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
Just seeing where you are coming from.
#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)
#23. To: Christine (#17)
#24. To: Jhoffa_ (#22)
I'm into the Constitution and people who defend it..
#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)
#26. To: Jhoffa_ (#25)
#27. To: Jhoffa_ (#18)
Remember Rome?
#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)
#29. To: Jhoffa_ (#28)
I fail to see how enumerating these truths is harmful..
#30. To: A K A Stone (#26)
They thought there was too much power to the federals.
#31. To: Horse (#23)
#32. To: Jhoffa_ (#28)
I fail to see how enumerating these truths is harmful..
#33. To: Horse (#23)
I think that is when the NWO will call in foreign troops to restore order. I will hopefully be living in an extremly remote and undisclosed location.
#34. To: A K A Stone (#32)
could that be harmful? I know we can allegedly amend the constitution.
#35. To: Jhoffa_ (#34)
could that be harmful? I know we can allegedly amend the constitution.
#36. To: Jhoffa_ (#34)
Logic dictates that inalienable rights cannot be amended or otherwise redefined.
#37. To: christine (#0)
#38. To: mirage (#5)
#39. To: wakeup (#36)
Anarchy, by the way, is not necessarily a bad thing. Most folks will be armed and dangerous and you know what they say, an armed society is a polite society.
#40. To: Alan Chapman (#37)
"...a declaration of martial law would probably just end up causing problems."
#41. To: wakeup (#40)
No "declaration" will ever be made. Think national emergency or temporary powers or emergency measures or continuity of government provisions.
#42. To: Alan Chapman (#37)
The one thing we have working to our advantage is the inherent ineptness of government. Government does not employ the best and the brightest (like it always seems to do in the movies).
#43. To: Jhoffa_ (#39)
What I want is the government we had, back.
#44. To: christine (#0)
#45. To: christine (#0)
#46. To: Coral Snake (#38)
I believe a self centered population will fight to protect their MATERIAL PROPERTY however (against door to door gun grabs and several really major "imenent domain" land grabs going on at once.) This could be turned by the right people into a revolution to restore a Constitutional Republic.
#47. To: mirage (#46)
I weep for the future of this country because nobody seems to care enough to do anything
#48. To: christine, duckhunter, mehitable, mirage, Coral Snake, wakeup, Alan Chapman, A K A Stone, Jhoffa_, Horse, rack42, Zipporah, Indrid Cold, Jethro Tull, Pissed Off Janitor, 82Marine89, TommyTheMadArtist (#0)
#49. To: mirage (#46)
Most of us who do see what is going on, prefer to fly under the radar as much as possible rather than attract attention.
#50. To: christine (#49)
and when some of us do fly above the radar, we get called a fool by some of our brethren. you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. know what i mean?
#51. To: mirage (#50)
I hope that makes sense.
#52. To: wakeup (#43)
Me too but, a the transition will include a period of no government as we debate the type and forms of government to pick from.
#53. To: Jhoffa_ (#52)
In the days following 9/11, he could have had anything he wanted.
#54. To: wakeup, ALL (#43)
#55. To: christine, wakeup (#54)
"Will the US be better, or worse with some new an unknown form of Government in place, and can we afford to wait and find out? Even if the likely answer is "better" is it in our own interest to wait and find out?"
#56. To: wakeup (#53)
#57. To: Jhoffa_ (#55)
bad move on the trailer.
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