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Title: What would a US - China War look like?
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URL Source: http://theweek.com/article/index/25 ... would-a-us-china-war-look-like
Published: Jan 1, 2014
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Post Date: 2014-01-01 21:42:58 by Lod
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Interesting speculation. As some warrior observed, "Once the battle begins, all plans go out the window." Or something to that effect.
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#1. To: Lod (#0)
I magine this: In the early morning, a barrage of more than 1,000 Chinese ballistic and cruise missiles bombard Taiwanese civilian and military targets. As the U.S. Air Force stationed in Okinawa prepares to rush to the aid of its sworn ally, Chinese cyber attacks wreak havoc on America's air defense and targeting systems. A second volley of ballistic missiles detonates in space, destroying critical military satellites, while a third rains down on the base, damaging jets and leaving runways unusable. Meanwhile, a U.S. carrier strike group led by the USS George Washington has launched from Japan and is steaming towards the Taiwan Strait. Without the advanced warning and additional data supplied by satellites, the group's missile defense systems are at a disadvantage against the Chinese "carrier killer" missiles that are streaking towards them. Defense systems do their best, but a few missiles still hit their mark, leaving the USS George Washington's flight deck unusable. America's awesome air and sea power has been sidelined. Will not happen that way. Could not happen that way. Once missiles start flying, WW3 is OVER. The Gobi desert would be widely enlarged. If alive, we would be living in caves. It will start out as a land war. Chinese ICBMs would take several minutes to arrive here. We have missiles under their nose that would be there in two minutes.
The Chinese will be slaughtered by the millions. Their stuff will barely work, just like the Soviets. We will lose few.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
They fully expect that, but are willing to pay that price. That is why there will be a land war.
The chinkernese will throw eggroll grenades, we'll throw kosher bagel-bombs.
#2. To: Cynicom (#1)
#3. To: Turtle (#2)
The Chinese will be slaughtered by the millions
#4. To: Lod, Cynicom, Turtle (#0)
-Alex Kurtagic
#5. To: Lod (#0)
"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." ~ Mike Tyson
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#6. To: Cynicom (#1)
By "missiles under their noses", I'm assuming you're referencing our subs, because that's a pretty big factor the authot left out of the equation.
Support bacteria.
(The world needs more culture)
#7. To: Obnoxicated (#6)
Yes that is part of the equation. Looking at a map, we can see how our military has drawn a line from the Aleutions, to Japan, Okinawa, Taiwan, Philippines to Darwin Australia. Behind the center of that line lies the Marianas, including the monster bases at Guam. Our TIME TO TARGET, is much shorter than theirs, plus being on their doorstep from such a huge area makes them cautious. Plus inside that line we have operational rights from South Korea,Singapore and Thailand. So a missile war is possible, it is not probable as the Chinese are not stupid. A massive non nuclear land war favors the Chinese, we did not nuke them in Korean war, they remember that. At that time we could have erased China from the map, we did not, so they are making their calculations. By "missiles under their noses", I'm assuming you're referencing our subs, because that's a pretty big factor the authot left out of the equation.
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
MacArthur's intentions notwithstanding.
#9. To: Deasy (#8)
Few realize at outset of Korean war that nuclear weapons were in civilian control, not military. It was not until Sept. 1950 that the Air Force was finally able to gain control and move them forward towards Russia and China. In hind sight, the world would be a better place had Russia and China been warned to disengage from Korea. Instead, thanks to jews in our government, the Chinese were told that we would NOT use A bombs, so we paid the price. MacArthur's intentions notwithstanding.
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
While not a victory in the classic sense, the withdrawal from the Chosin Reservoir is revered as a high point in the history of the US Marine Corps. In the fighting, the Marines and other UN troops effectively destroyed or crippled seven Chinese divisions which attempted to block their progress. Marine losses in the campaign numbered 836 killed and 12,000 wounded. Most of the latter were frostbite injuries inflicted by the severe cold and winter weather. US Army losses numbered around 2,000 killed and 1,000 wounded. Precise casualties for the Chinese are not known but are estimated at 35,000 killed. Upon reaching Hungnam, the veterans of Chosin Reservoir were evacuated as part of the large amphibious operation to rescue UN troops from northeastern Korea. Mostly Appalachians, I'd wager. Battle of Chosin Reservoir - Aftermath
#11. To: Deasy (#10)
Not mentioned is fact that thousands of the Chinese FROZE TO DEATH.. It was long after the war that they finally admitted the fact. Also thousands of Chinese "volunteers" refused to be repatriated back home. Most went to Taiwan. Taiwan offered to send thousands of troops but the government would not allow MacArthur to take them.
#12. To: Lod (#0)
An attack on us would be economic suicide by the Chinese. They may win the battle but loose the war.
Depending on who the POTUS is. An Obama-type POTUS would surrender (and bow) to our new overloards. A Reagan-type POTUS would turn mainland China into radioactive glass.
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#13. To: Lod, Original_Intent, Lod, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, christine (#0)
So, remember, The Military Industrial Complex is not just a bunch of greedy, politician greasing, ass raping conceptual artists trying to devise the most unthinkable weapons imaginable. They're the glad handing guys in blue suits who guarantee that the little girl picking daisies will always have flowers growing, right up to the moment when they're vaporized at the speed of light by a stealth sub-launched weapon of incredible magnitude. "Gee, we were so busy selling the military our space based particle beam weapons mounted on the metal storm multi-barreled stacked projectile space drones that we failed to address the (low profit yield) flaw in our submarine nets in the former Rappahannock River, now part of the Washington DC Deep Water Trench Watershed." As long as there's an America there will be demented eggheads and flag officers preparing white papers for secret congressional committees on the effectiveness of, Jesus who the Hell knows what? When we consider that killing a half a billion Chinese would be a blessing for them, the next generation of weapons can't just kill the enemy. In order to serve in a deterrent role they must deny the enemy entry into their respective paradise afterlives. It's not a simple matter of greasing bullets with pig fat. These remote controlled weapons will have to trigger complicated incantations that are precisely times to send the (mostly civilian non combatants, you know, like Dresden) newly dead to the land of forever gone and forgotten. Christ, just thinking about this stuff makes me feel like Lovecraft or Poe, and especially Stephen King. When asked why he chose to pen the macabre King replied, "What makes you think I have a choice?" According to Admiral Patrick Walsh, the commander of the U.S. Navy's Pacific Fleet until last year, there is no reason to fear China's military buildup as long as U.S. capabilities keep pace.
#14. To: HOUNDDAWG, Lod, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, christine (#13)
Given the hardware and capabilities rumored to be buried in the "burn before reading" category we already have the capability to destroy every man, woman, and child on Planet Earth multiple times over. As long as there's an America there will be demented eggheads and flag officers preparing white papers for secret congressional committees on the effectiveness of, Jesus who the Hell knows what?
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced evil is indistinguishable from stupidity. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#15. To: Cynicom, Lod, all (#1)
If one reads alternatives to lamestream archaeology the Gobi is entirely likely to have been one of the results of the last nuclear war. The Gobi desert would be widely enlarged.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Any sufficiently advanced evil is indistinguishable from stupidity. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")
#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)
Never read or heard of that afore. one of the results of the last nuclear war.
#17. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#14)
Don't forget the grunts who fight for the Empire never having a clue as to why. As long as there's an America there will be demented eggheads and flag officers preparing white papers for secret congressional committees on the effectiveness of, Jesus who the Hell knows what?
#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#13)
Assuming they're working on instruments of damnation for war-hungry Bible belters, we might be facing a "pig fat gap."
#19. To: Deasy (#18)
Never met a war hungry person of any stripe. Assuming they're working on instruments of damnation for war-hungry Bible belters
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
A million dead Iraqis (for example) might differ with your assessment. Someone was hungry enough. Never met a war hungry person of any stripe.
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#21. To: randge (#20)
That is stretch from meeting a war hungry person to a million dead Iraqis. I spent some time in and around the military and never met a man that wanted to go kill someone. We were taught to kill or be killed or be shot for not obeying orders. It was very emotional to sit around with grown men, crying because all they wanted was to go home. Booze gives false bravado, but not in the life of a grunt. Ike shot Slovik because he did not want to kill. That makes Slovik war hungry? My brother shot many a German in WW2, until they shot him. Never once did he espouse anything about wanting to kill anyone. Bandying the term war lover around seems macho, but it is not. A million dead Iraqis (for example) might differ with your assessment.
#22. To: Cynicom (#21)
"War hungry" and "war lover" are elastic and subjective expressions that you can hang any construction on that you like I suppose. Idiots slice each other to ribbons on these forums over stupid semantics & I won't stoop to that level of tedium. I will say though that as a whole this culture of ours is war hungry and made more so through artificial means, through media, movies and "gaming," etc. It's pretty disgusting. I see kids' minds disfigured by this kind of garbage every day. And wherever I go, other people increasingly see us as "war lovers." I'm genuinely sorry for the crap you had to endure as I regret the hell my father had to go through. I didn't have to suffer it. You have my regards - in that regard.
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#23. To: Lod (#0)
It would look like the act of powerful traitors who put their political interests ahead of the survival of the people in their countries. And it would not surprise me if the US government started it. They have no business putting warships in the South China Sea or any part of China's backyard.
John Howard says: There are 4 schools of economics:
Marxism: steal everything
Keynesianism: steal by counterfeiting whenever needed
Chicago school (Milton Friedman): steal by counterfeiting at a steady, predictable rate
Austrians: don't steal
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
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#24. To: PnbC (#23)
The U.S. has been conductiong a low-level war against both the Russians and the Chinese. To what end it will come is anyone's guess. ;) And it would not surprise me if the US government started it. They have no business putting warships in the South China Sea or any part of China's backyard.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#25. To: Original_Intent (#14)
A timely reminder for which no additional comment is needed. (Beyond my usual reflexive attempt to be devilishly clever) Given the hardware and capabilities rumored to be buried in the "burn before reading" category we already have the capability to destroy every man, woman, and child on Planet Earth multiple times over.
#26. To: Deasy (#18) (Edited)
For me the term "Bible belters" conjures visions of folks who use fatback/salt pork to season their collard greens. Would it surprise you to learn that with the exploding populations of feral HAWGs as well as the booming pork industry that most of the Bible Belt's "war hungry combatants" could supply their own? Hell, a medium sized tin box could hold enough lube to taint thousands of 5.56 rounds. And "good Moms" could always resupply their sons in their lovingly prepared packages from home. "Kill them all and let The Morningstar sort them out, Son. Praying to the ONE TRUE GOD for your safe return. Love, Mom. PS, are you allowed to keep souvenirs? Your Uncle Zed brought home these cute little ears from Vietnam and gave them to the church choir...."Assuming they're working on instruments of damnation for war-hungry Bible belters, we might be facing a "pig fat gap."
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG, Cynicom, randge, christine (#26)
HDAWG: weapons of damnation could persuade Bible Belters to go kosher on account of how G_d's chosen comply with Leviticus. Unwilling to give up Bacon, many would abandon Christian Zionism and backslide. Other faithful would refuse to touch swine eliminating the threat of fat-treated ballistics. Cyni: some hunger for war others fight. Randge: Cyni may not have read this outrage against WWI:
IV
These fought, in any case,
and some believing, pro domo, in any case ..
Some quick to arm,
some for adventure,
some from fear of weakness,
some from fear of censure,
some for love of slaughter, in imagination,
learning later ...
some in fear, learning love of slaughter;
Died some pro patria, non dulce non et decor"
..
walked eye-deep in hell
believing in old men's lies, then unbelieving
came home, home to a lie,
home to many deceits,
home to old lies and new infamy;
usury age-old and age-thick
and liars in public places.
Daring as never before, wastage as never
before.
Young blood and high blood,
Fair cheeks, and fine bodies;
fortitude as never before
frankness as never before,
disillusions as never told in the old days,
hysterias, trench confessions,
laughter out of dead bellies.
#28. To: Deasy (#27)
My parents were adults before WW1. Many members of my family fought and bled in WW1. I heard about it, first hand from those that participated. Cyni may not have read this outrage against WWI:
#29. To: Deasy (#27)
St. Elizabeths most celebrated inmate. You a fan?
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#30. To: randge (#29)
Sing goddamn, damn. Sing goddamn!
Sing goddamn, damn. Sing goddamn!
Winter is i-cumin in,
Lhude sing goddamn!
#31. To: Deasy (#30)
ewe cometh after lamb
loweth after calf the cow . . . arrr
Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.
#32. To: randge (#31)
Spring can't be far off and goats'll be farting.
#33. To: Deasy (#27)
Perhaps so, at least among the five percentile (my estimate) of those who follow doctrine rigorously. But among the ninety five percentile, dietary restrictions would be ignored as readily as the restrictions on alcohol, adultery and bestiality (which for some includes having relations with colort wimmen) And very few of the sinners I grew up around ever let guilty consciences keep them away from the grape juice communions and reciprocal foot bathing. As long as they were willing to condemn "them sinners at them other churches" then they considered themselves essential to the congregation and forgiven for sins on the quiet. Which reminds me of the time that my Dad told the preacher the old joke about, "Goddam the church with only one door". (Dad left off the "God" part from the punchline, but the pastor still didn't find it amusing) At 9 or 10 yrs old I found it hilarious to watch my Dad changes gears....and the conversation so quickly! Hell, I could have told Pappy that the pastor was a humorless old duck. weapons of damnation could persuade Bible Belters to go kosher on account of how G_d's chosen comply with Leviticus.
#34. To: Cynicom, Deasy, Randge, christine (#28)
Many members of my family fought and bled in WW1. I heard about it, first hand from those that participated. Your point was understood by me before the semantic ricochet. It's been well covered that those who hate war most are those who must fight them. And, I'm sure you know that there are many who defend wars of aggression and the murderous asymmetrical slaughter by The Allied Petroleum Expeditionary Forces. Range underscored (for me at least) that the rest of the world looks on as we Lilliputians permit diabolical humanocide in our names. It would sound puny and weak to defend our seeming indifference to a room filled with Europeans. And it's harder still to deny that Americans' self interest is so narrow that we wouldn't object if snipers' bullets pass within inches of our homes, as long as the intended targets are dark skinned foreigners who should despise us. And GITMO is used to recruit additional enemies from among otherwise law abiding residents with no obvious axes to grind. This is a temporary measure until the govt can be persuaded to bomb Mecca and lock us into a war in which genocide of a billion plus will be the only possible way to enjoy safety and peace again. They may not wear tee shirts that trumpet their love of war, but you've probably met a few war lovers along the way. A solid clue is a bumper sticker that reads, "Let's kick their assess and take their oil!" "Kick their asses" is bumper sticker shorthand for, "Murder them in their beds as their children watch in horror" There is no polite way to kick someone's ass then steal their natural resources. Over the years you've done an excellent job of detailing the horror of war and your personal disdain for it. Which makes the truth about American warmongers and their diabolical political machinations (PNAC) all the more tragic and shameful. My parents were adults before WW1.
"I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry a Glock 40."__former DEA Agent Lee Paige
#35. To: HOUNDDAWG, 4 (#34)
We have NO enemies (not counting the dual-citizen zionists) that we do not create or invent. None.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#36. To: Lod (#35)
None. I may have to research your assertion because it's such a sweeping indictment of We The Blessed Peacemakers. Your statement is difficult to reconcile because God is clearly on our side. (Or at least on the GOP side) We have NO enemies (not counting the dual-citizen zionists) that we do not create or invent.
"If you love me let me know....If you don't, then let me go."__Olivia Newton-John
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